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Thank you for letting me know. Alas, the article itself was deleted two minutes later, and I was unable to address the alleged copyvio. I will raise this with User:Anthony Bradbury, as it was he who did the deletion. Edwardx (talk) 18:41, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
Speedy deletion nomination of Voice of the Listener & Viewer
Hello Edwardx,
I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Voice of the Listener & Viewer for deletion, because it's too short to identify the subject of the article.
If you feel that the article shouldn't be deleted and want more time to work on it, you can contest this deletion, but please don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.
Many thanks for cleaning up the page on Malcolm Quantrill I just coined a few hours ago! I'm hoping to add more in the next day or two. However, you have removed the place of his death. I see the old system of placing place of birth and death on the first line is hardly in use these days. But without a picture, it does not yet seem worth adding an infobox. So where to place the fact he died in College Station) Texas? Seems such a simply stupid question - you've complicated it ;) --TTKK (talk) 19:33, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
Oops, didn't mean to complicate matters, but I can now see that I have. Yes, the WP:MOS advises against birth and death place on the first line, unless it really is a defining factor in someone's life. So, I've added an infobox. A photo would be nice. Edwardx (talk) 21:51, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for creating so many articles about London pubs, and the exhaustive research that you have carried out in the process! Philafrenzy (talk) 22:57, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
Thank you kindly. There are still plenty of listed or otherwise notable pubs in London and elsewhere waiting for articles... Edwardx (talk) 14:12, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
I'd just created "My favs" as a list of all the articles I've created, and now I'm wondering what article could be started that would be more popular than "Swiss passport". I'll think about a pubs list too. Edwardx (talk) 00:10, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
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I've fixed the article - entirely straightforward and took less than five minutes. That would have been a better use of your time than starting an AfD. Edwardx (talk) 23:10, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
Dear Edward, I'm afraid I'll have to wait until I am not at work to create my own award for you... in the meantime, I hope you'll be content with a small off-the-shelf cat. Thank you SO MUCH for your kindness and generosity and bags of help at last night's Wikipedia Edit-a-Thon at the Royal Society. I learned so much from you in such a short time, and you were incredibly kind and patient. I am determined to put the things you've taught me into practice... and I will have a nose around the many pages you've created (I see you like London pubs- have you been to the Pride of Spitalfields? It's well worth a visit!). I've looked at the German silent movie star's page, by the way - number one on your list - and smiled as I remembered your anecdote about WL:OVERLINKING! Thank you so much once again. Karen (9frm)
FYI, I've just nominated the Upper Flask, which I came across while looking into this. We just need to get The Flask, Hampstead done too for a hat-trick! Philafrenzy has done good work getting that started but it needs another push to get it up DYK level too. I'll try to find some time for that myself tomorrow... Andrew (talk) 01:12, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
Andrew, it's all quite amusing - a trio of flasks. I'll endeavour to fit that into tomorrow's schedule too, for the final DYK. Edwardx (talk)
It's good to see it all come together. Thanks for getting the DYK done and I've gotten around to chipping in with what I have from London's Best Pubs - a book which I picked up to help with these topics. And so to bed... Andrew (talk) 23:58, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
7 March was the 5 day deadline, and I just about managed to scrape enough together for the 1500 characters. Thank you for your contribution. Edwardx (talk) 09:55, 8 March 2014 (UTC)
On 16 March 2014, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Paula Hinton, which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Paula Hinton danced in a ballet about a love triangle, based on the real-life triangle involving the same three dancers? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Paula Hinton. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Sorry I could not get back to you on this until now as for the past week I have had no internet connection. Thanks for you work on Paula Hinton. I see that thanks to @Victuallers the article made DYK anyway.--Ipigott (talk) 11:53, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
That's fine - no reply was needed anyway. As you say, @Victuallers kindly did the DYK nom. My appreciation goes out to both of you. Edwardx (talk) 12:28, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
On 24 March 2014, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Jan van Beers (artist), which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Jan van Beers(caricatured) was largely unknown until the scandal of being accused of painting over a photograph brought him worldwide fame? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Jan van Beers (artist). You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
On 27 March 2014, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Ross McEwan, which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Ross McEwan, CEO of RBS Group, once the world's largest bank, twice failed an accountancy exam? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Ross McEwan. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Thanks. I've replied there. I was with two London brewers earlier and one swore on the horns last year in Highgate. Only discovered that because I asked the other brewer if that was how he choose his brewery name - By the Horns Brewing Co. However, it was derived from the phrase "taking the bull by the horns". Edwardx (talk) 23:11, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
Putney, not even Highgate. Yes, the things I do for Wikipedia (although free beer may have been a contributing factor). Edwardx (talk) 23:39, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
DYK for Sam Peffer
On 29 March 2014, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Sam Peffer, which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that artist Sam Peffer painted covers for the James Bond paperback book series, as well as posters for the films Prisoner of the Cannibal God, and Hussy starring Helen Mirren? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Sam Peffer. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
On 31 March 2014, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Gerd Larsen, which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Gerd Larsen made her final appearance with London's Royal Ballet on her 75th birthday, after a career there of over half a century? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Gerd Larsen. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Bumped into Minoprio by chance when starting the article on Fairacres, Roehampton, which I photographed at the weekend. Yet another serendipitous Wikipedia discovery. As we're 2/3 of the way there already, it should be easy enough to expand to DYK standard. You're most welcome to join me for a co-credit. Edwardx (talk) 22:22, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
That looks very like some of the 1930s mansion blocks down here in Hove! I have come up with a potential DYK hook, so I'll do some expansion over the next couple of days and submit jointly for DYK when I've got as far as I can, if that's OK. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!)22:51, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
That sounds fine to me, as I'm trying to work up two other DYKs and haven't had any hook ideas yet for this one. Edwardx (talk) 23:07, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. Both are good, but I'd guess that the first is likely to get more hits, and is therefore preferable. I've just created a category for his buildings, even if there are only three entries so far.Edwardx (talk) 12:39, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
DYK for The Flask, Highgate
On 3 April 2014, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article The Flask, Highgate, which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that visitors at The Flask, Highgate, were once asked to swear to drink only strong beer, and not to kiss the maid if they could kiss the mistress, unless they preferred the maid or could kiss both? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/The Flask, Highgate. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Thank you for expanding our knowledge about international personalities in a vast field of the arts, architecture, business, choreography, dance, you name it, and not to forget breweries and pubs! Cheers, hoping for more, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:37, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
No, but I should, as I'm a member of libraries in four other boroughs. But, I do have a Wellcome Library card, which gives me access to The Times archive, if I can remember where I put it! I'm trying to get your Gordon Smith up to DYK level. Also Walter Rye and Kristīne Opolais, if you're interested in either. Edwardx (talk) 14:01, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
I have added the full obit from the London Philatelist for Smith to the talk page. You might be able to make something of either the rowing or freemasonry (if you can understand it) or possibly that he had a per-eminent collection of stamps of South Australia. Might be popular with people from those climes. Philafrenzy (talk) 16:36, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. Popped out to a boat race art studio party. I'll put together a DYK nom later today or tomorrow. Edwardx (talk) 19:05, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
Actually, it seems that Smith may have rowed in the boat race in the 1880s according to The Times. I don't know if you can access their archive but there is plenty of rowing stuff from the 1880s there. I don't have time to go through it now but DYK could be ...that Gordon Smith who rowed for Cambridge in the University Boat Race also formed the greatest collection of the stamps of South Australia of his time. (all needs checking) Pity to just miss the race itself. Philafrenzy (talk) 15:00, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
Did he row for the University, just not in the boat race? If so you have a double barreled rowing and philatelic hook. I warn you, I may not be able to find a picture of a South Australia stamp owned by Smith, though I do now have his own image. Philafrenzy (talk) 20:22, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
How about "...that Gordon Smith was a rower, mathematician, barrister, army major, leading freemason and had the finest collection of the unused stamps of South Australia?" Edwardx (talk) 21:06, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
Cool! Polymath! "...that Victorian polymath Gordon Smith was a rower, mathematician, barrister, army major, leading freemason and formed the finest collection of the stamps of South Australia of his day?" Is polymath too strong? Philafrenzy (talk) 21:15, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. I'm fine with polymath. I'll go with that and see what happens. Now I have to find a DYK to review. Edwardx (talk) 21:22, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the note - it definitely seems unlikely that the image is the uploader's own work. I've tagged it for deletion at Commons and struck it from the DYK nom. Thanks for letting me know! 97198 (talk) 10:28, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
And thank you for doing that. Great image, and I would have loved to have seen it on the front page. Alas, too good to be true. Edwardx (talk) 10:35, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
As that copyvio was from the same contributor as the image, it is reasonable to infer that the probability of the image being the uploader's own work is very close to zero. Thanks again. Edwardx (talk) 10:45, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
8000 already is most impressive. My contribution was very modest, and your appreciation is most kind. Yes, Frans van der Lugt is in Prep Area 1, along with "my" Yuhui Choe. Edwardx (talk) 09:54, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
You won't get much DYK material out of these. I am just gap filling. I will try to do something more interesting soon. Philafrenzy (talk) 22:12, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
On 15 April 2014, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Anthony Minoprio, which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Anthony Minoprio provided a new master plan for Crawley New Town after the previous planner suddenly resigned in "an extraordinary decision [... which was] never completely explained"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Anthony Minoprio. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
807/1500 characters of the way there. I'll see what else I can find. Your hook idea is good; perhaps it would get more clicks without "Brazilian"? Edwardx (talk) 22:05, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
I don't mind but Brazilian raises the question what is different about bull's eyes in Brazil? Which makes it even weirder. I have the Corinphila auction catalogue so should easily be able to expand it further shortly. Philafrenzy (talk) 22:47, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
Incidentally, it's brilliant that he is a Dr. too isn't it? Ties in nicely with the eyeball thing. It's all a bit "Boys from Brazil" and weird experiments at secret camps. He sounds German too. Philafrenzy (talk) 22:53, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
I've reconsidered and am inclined to agree with you that it does sound better with "Brazilian". It's difficult to evaluate objectively, when you already know what they really are. And the Dr and German sounding name all help... Edwardx (talk) 23:06, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
Very good. A bit more research, and he'll be another polymath. Another 276 characters and I'll start the DYK process. Edwardx (talk) 08:35, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
Expanded from the bio in the catalogue. In top philately it helps to own 1/3rd of a $700M company. I need to establish the hook more later then you are good to go. Philafrenzy (talk) 13:45, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
You never told me about your company! Article is coming along very nicely. Bit busy with "real life" today. Edwardx (talk) 14:08, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
You mean my holding in Royal Mail obviously. Is my 0.000000000001% holding a conflict of interest that I need to declare? Philafrenzy (talk) 14:50, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
...that Olympic rower Dr. Hugo Goeggel sold his award-winning collection of Brazilian Bull's Eyes for over $1 million? Couldn't cite that it was the best or largest collection, tho it probably was, but can cite the money. Over to you. Philafrenzy (talk) 01:48, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
It certainly looks long enough, and there are plenty of references. As you say, it could do with more images. I've never been involved in the GA process, so I'm not sure that I could give any meaningful advice. How about User:Johnbod, as he has several GA credits? Edwardx (talk) 11:47, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
On 20 April 2014, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Hugo Goeggel, which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Olympic rower Dr. Hugo Goeggel sold his award-winning collection of Brazilian Bull's Eyes(pictured) for over $1 million? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Hugo Goeggel. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Great work. My WP time is mostly spent on content creation, London buildings (especially pubs) and people. Your plan to improve coverage of all the livery halls is an excellent one, and I'll try to get involved. There will no doubt be much of past and present interest to uncover. And I imagine that most of them are within walking distance of Wikimania, so that's another reason to do it sooner rather than later. Edwardx (talk) 12:51, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
British publicans
Category created. Very appropriate for St. George's Day methinks and rich vein of British "characters" for you to do if you feel like it. Might be tricky to disambig the publican from the pub though. Cheers! Philafrenzy (talk) 12:17, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
Cheers indeed. A very timely reminder, or I might easily have forgotten that Young's have kindly invited me to partake of some of their finest ale today at The Duke's Head, gratis. They don't even know that I started the article. Might stop for coffee and a paper on the way... Edwardx (talk) 13:36, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
Thank you kindly. I've done some copy editing, added a few categories and tried to slip in mentions of those concerned into other articles. Plenty more can be done! Edwardx (talk) 20:24, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
There's an interesting emigration story here but it is another philatelist. Unfortunately the Prussian oath bit is really just speculation on my part. Philafrenzy (talk) 01:22, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
Just to clarify, I have a source for men from Schleswig-Holstein emigrating rather than swear an oath to Prussia, just not that that was why Tamsen left. Philafrenzy (talk) 10:42, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
I've expanded it a bit including finding a great photo. The best potential is in the non-philatelic material probably. Philafrenzy (talk) 20:36, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
"DYK that Emil Tamsen was born in Schleswig-Holstein, emigrated to the Transvaal in 1880, fought for the British in the First Boer War but became a friend of Paul Kruger and other Boer leaders?" That picture demands to be on the front page IMHO. He looks like he has just had an electric shock. Philafrenzy (talk) 16:21, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
"DYK that Emil Tamsen was born in Schleswig-Holstein, but emigrated to the Transvaal aged 18 where he fought for the British in the First Boer War?" Philafrenzy (talk) 22:59, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
Great photo - I look forward to doing the DYK. Alas, when I made the journey from Beirut to Damascus, it was in an ancient shared Mercedes taxi, as that was all that was available. Edwardx (talk) 16:07, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
Glad you enjoyed that. Tamsen nom just done. My only thought is that you can't see him that well in the image size that would appear on the front page. What do you think about replacing that one with a cropped one? Perhaps the one on his page could stay the same? Edwardx (talk) 23:27, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
Were Sydney Greenstreet and Peter Lorre in that taxi too? Was anyone murdered en-route? Perhaps a famous detective was conveniently at hand? Yes, it should be reduced. Inside or outside the frame? The original is actually not very good quality. Philafrenzy (talk) 23:35, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
Alas, Sid and Pete were otherwise engaged. Down to the inner frame perhaps? We certainly don't want to lose any of that beard, but we need a better look at the spiky punk haircut. Looking at Nairn now. Edwardx (talk) 23:41, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
Nairn isn't quite ready yet, but feel free to expand it. I have no offline sources left. There is a lot in The Times archive including an obit. Philafrenzy (talk) 23:46, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. Looks great at the 100x100px (max) size on the DYK nom (done). Nairn is very interesting. Both of the brothers merit articles too. Start one each? Edwardx (talk) 00:01, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
I knew they might but hadn't got to it. Do it if you think you can sufficiently differentiate them from the company and each other. Philafrenzy (talk) 00:11, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
Traced Naby to Nåby, near Næstved but not sure that is the right place. Also 1880 might be wrong. Changed hook to teenager. It's actually more powerful as teenager than 18 anyway. Philafrenzy (talk) 01:33, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
On 28 April 2014, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Malin Byström, which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Swedish soprano Malin Byström was called "a svelte blonde beauty with the figure of a dancer" when singing the title role in Thaïs in 2012? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Malin Byström. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Swedish source say her voice is soprano, but specifically Lyric soprano. Can you make a slight correction? (Lyric soprano is slightly lower than coloratura). Hafspajen (talk) 16:06, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
Yes, 5000 is good for a non-picture hook, but that set was on the front page for quite some time. It might interest you to know that the hook was changed after six hours on the front page, but from "was called 'a svelte blonde beauty with the figure of a dancer' when singing" to "sang", with an edit summary of "Less misogynist, perhaps?". You (Hafspajen) have a somewhat tangential mention in the discussion at User_talk:Pakaran#Malin_Byström. Edwardx (talk) 20:02, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
Good hook. I heard/read that the perfect (in the sense of value) postcard would be a suffragette wheeling her Harley onto the Titanic. Not had much time for WP lately. Five days from 27 April is tomorrow, so I'll see if there's anything I can add and then do the DYK. I won't forget! Edwardx (talk) 21:39, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
Yes, the Harley bit was a gift from the Wiki gods. I have a postcard like that. It also has a stamp like this on the back and is signed by an E. Presley. Is it valuable? Philafrenzy (talk) 21:51, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
Would be worth more if the stamp was used in period - Elvis wasn't born until 17 years after its issue date. I have a Gibraltar passport "signed" by Elvis Presley. The passport is genuine, but the signature is almost certainly fake. Edwardx (talk) 21:59, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
And it came with a "certificate of authenticity" from a Nigerian prince too. You can't trust anyone these days. Philafrenzy (talk) 22:05, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
Yes, it is a somewhat fiddly process if you're out of practice. I have difficulties with doing good fair-use rationales for images (amongst other things), so I do understand. Edwardx (talk) 22:15, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
Sorry for removing the entry from the deaths list. I copy-pasted her name into the Search field and an article title didn't pop up so I assumed there was no article. But it's just that the database hasn't had time to catch up. Honestly not sure if she's considered notable enough to have her own article, but the page does not seem to be a good candidate for speedy deletion since there were some sources and she's an OBE. Thought about nominating for deletion, but didn't want to be a dick and jump the gun since it's a brand new article. I looked through Google a bit and honestly wasn't struck by the page hits, but I honestly know nothing about her and I don't know much about the art field in general. I wanted to give you more time to expand the article and demonstrate its importance. I am going to tag it with some issues and will check on it in a few days. You're a more experienced editor than I, so I trust you know what you're doing. Just letting you know :) EvergreenFir (talk) 22:18, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
Fair point. Just not much coverage of her outside the obit that I could find. Again, I do not mean to be rude with all this. EvergreenFir (talk) 22:47, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
Please don't take it personally; I don't see your tagging as rudeness, although perhaps a little premature. Do bear in mind that this sort of drive-by tagging puts off new editors. There is also a Times obit (can't see much without having to pay) and plenty of other coverage. Edwardx (talk) 23:30, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
Or how about "DYK that Lawrence Burd had 8,000 Penny Blacks in his collection?" After all, it is the most famous stamp as far as the man on the Clapham omnibus is concerned? I'll look at the article later. Edwardx (talk) 15:40, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
I wouldn't know Edward, I never go south of the river. I don't mind doing Penny Blacks but I didn't want to overdo it on the stamp collectors. Do you have anything from Ancestry? I can add more later about books and stamps. Philafrenzy (talk) 17:33, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
On the other hand, I never leave Zones 1 and 2. My Ancestry membership has lapsed. As for the stamp angle, we may be the only people who have noticed them. And few if any people look at the DYK section the two or three times a day. But I've no strong view on the subject, and I'm struggling to add anything to the page. Edwardx (talk) 22:23, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
So you have no idea what they really say on the Clapham omnibus do you? Just admit it. Perhaps you could make a pub research trip down there some time and find out. I will add more over the next day. Philafrenzy (talk) 23:07, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
I don't think I can add much more without additional sources, which I don't have. How about "DYK that Machiavelli expert Lawrence Burd owned 8000 Penny Blacks?" You are welcome to joint credit. Philafrenzy (talk) 19:56, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
Looking very decent now. And that hook is good too - might as well get both subjects in. I'm doing a quick DYK nom for Monika Kinley then turning in. See you tomorrow.Edwardx (talk) 23:21, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, the way he talks about the plating work is extraordinary, like a spiritual quest. There is an article about that project if I knew enough about plating to do it, and was interested in plating! Ernest Floyd was also involved but I can't find much to say about him. It was the big philatelic project of the period. Philafrenzy (talk) 23:31, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
Brilliant article material if you are interested in the slightly earlier period. All out of copyright I believe. Good to see you today Edward. Philafrenzy (talk) 21:05, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
Yes, I've had a bit of a look and there is some good stuff there. When I studied the images of individual actors, almost all have well-illustarted articles, but there are probably a few gaps. Edwardx (talk) 10:09, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
Don't forget the advertising, the suppliers and venues etc (I know you won't). It's a bit of a political correctness minefield too I notice, but if handled carefully those may be the most interesting performers. Philafrenzy (talk) 10:46, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
Must be a DYK about a gin so pure it could cure (or protect against) cholera, malaria and typhus. WWI did for it as a brand I would think. Philafrenzy (talk) 23:54, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
Agreed, these outlandish claims make good DYKs. I'll see what I can add - looking forward to it. And WWI was unsurprisingly very bad for German-sounding products in the UK. Edwardx (talk) 10:49, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
I've used the exact quote as the claim for the DYK, as it is probably more absurd than any paraphrasing we could come up with. Edwardx (talk) 09:55, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
Just too much real work to do. And a friend is coming from Zurich for a long weekend, so I'll have a quick burst of editing before going quiet until Monday night. Edwardx (talk) 18:04, 15 May 2014 (UTC)
Are you going to DYK the gin, I used another of my lives on Burd. I don't want to have to start reviewing things... Philafrenzy (talk) 18:09, 15 May 2014 (UTC)
Great. It would be good to add some further sources as I have extracted every bit of content from the little I have. Philafrenzy (talk) 18:27, 15 May 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for your additions. I think it is good to go. There are a couple of possible new articles that could be spun-off too. Philafrenzy (talk) 21:30, 15 May 2014 (UTC)
Pottering
Thanks for taking a look at Saloop. As you have good experience with listed buildings, please could you look at Killiechassie which seems to have gotten bogged down. As a QPQ, I'll help out with your pubs, if you need more info. Do you have a list? Andrew (talk) 12:17, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
I can probably do a bit more on Saloop. I've had a quick look at Killiechassie and it should be relatively easy to get the DYK process on that one moving again. I'll attend to it later. As for the pubs, there's a list of all the articles I've created on my userpage - all the pubs there are Grade II or II* listed. Many of them should be fairly easy to expand by 5x to get to a DYK level... If any catch your eye, I'd be very happy to collaborate. I'm also planning to do a separate list on London's Grade II pubs without articles, but when I find any, I usually just create a quick stub anyway. Edwardx (talk) 13:28, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
Later turned out to be two days later, but I've done the review. No rush on the pubs, as I'll be rather busy until Monday night. So, you'll have plenty of time to see if any catch your eye and are DYK-able. Edwardx (talk) 18:47, 15 May 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. I recognise a few of those pubs like the London Apprentice and will see what I can do. Note, by the way, that another editor has found Mare Street and is doing good work with that ... Andrew (talk) 20:49, 15 May 2014 (UTC)
They would still be claiming the disease stuff if they could get away with it. Not been for some years, but I do recall Salzburg really milks the Mozart connection, and this product is distilled kitsch. I feel another DYK coming... Edwardx (talk) 10:10, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
No evidence that this person is of any notability - the only source cited which refers to Crocker himself, rather than the pub and the dubious tales which arose long after Crocker's death is WikiTree, a non-RS genealogy website.
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Two days left for the lobotomised professor if you are interested. I discovered it was a common procedure at just the time he had it done. Philafrenzy (talk) 22:26, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
May have been common enough back then, but sounds crazy and barbaric to a modern audience. I'll work on it tomorrow and do the nom. Edwardx (talk) 23:23, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, E.J. Rapson's party trick was to identify ancient coins by touch and he was such a slow worker that one war went and another was about to happen before he could finish Vol II of this: The Cambridge History of India. Just say if you are tired of doing them or they are not worthy as I can keep churning them out I think... Philafrenzy (talk) 00:02, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
Rapson next! I've just spoken with András Bereznay, who knows of no earlier historical atlas of RSA (apparently there is also a rather nice Afrikaans one from 1928), and could provide a scan of a map from Walker's atlas. Would that be helpful? Edwardx (talk) 08:46, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
Excellent work! You are going above and beyond the call of duty now. I have most of The Times historical atlases, including the European one drawn by Bereznay. If you were thinking of "drew the first HA of SA", I was thinking of "could identify ancient coins just by touch". Could both be combined? Also, if you could do it, "DYK that the first volumes of The Cambridge History of India used ancient coins where they had no written sources to rely upon. (upon which to rely) Philafrenzy (talk) 10:48, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. I think you might be conflating Walker and Rapson into one hook there! Anyway, I've asked for a scan to add a low res image of it as fair use. Or maybe not, as it is a 1922 publication? Walker is an image-free article at present. Edwardx (talk) 10:04, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
See your talk page for details. Scans have just arrived. Walker nom and your ALT1 are done. Rapson deadline is tomorrow. Relax! Edwardx (talk) 10:39, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
Yes, but where have the scans arrived from. Do you have a full time team working for you now at the British Library? Philafrenzy (talk) 10:55, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
From András Bereznay, who has a huge historical atlas collection. But they are photos, as the atlas was too big to scan. I'll sort one out this afternoon and add it to the article. Edwardx (talk) 11:14, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
Yes, I'm working on something and will have it up before bedtime. I always try to include anyone I reasonably can - have had as many as four authors before! Edwardx (talk) 21:47, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
The hook is okay, but there might be something better, maybe to do with his Catholcism and both his sons becoming Catholic priests contrasting with the Stones? Edwardx (talk) 22:15, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
Quite possibly, there is a lot more to add if you can do it referring only to dead people from your copious literature on the subject. I have done enough on gin I think for that to go through now. Philafrenzy (talk) 23:27, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
Your appreciation is most gratifying. We anticipate that the article will receive a lot of traffic when it is mentioned on the front page in due course. I've left a message on your talkpage about another topic you may enjoy adding to. Edwardx (talk) 09:53, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
When you have a moment, could you go through that Gazetteer and write all the missing articles? At your earliest convenience please. Thanks. Philafrenzy (talk) 08:54, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
Of course, but you'll have to wait until my next reincarnation. I've done my best to add the article - it is a struggle. However, I did manage to link to him from a number of other articles, and link to the medal article. I can't see a better hook idea. Will try to do a DYK nom later today. Edwardx (talk) 09:26, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
Good work, I had not noticed that the Gazetteer already existed. Interesting that all these started as dry names with just first initials in the Cambridge history. And some people say it has all been done - piffle. Philafrenzy (talk) 09:33, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
This is not the time for a philosophical discussion but you could argue that it is the important bit that is happening now, once you go beyond capital cities, Manchester United and Madonna. Philafrenzy (talk) 09:51, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
You may guess that I found Keith Richards' Life in a charity shop. Makes a change from The Cambridge History of ... If you want to borrow it let me know. I think you might already have it. Plenty about Gibbs in the index too but haven't got to that bit yet. Philafrenzy (talk) 18:15, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, don't think I have that, and Keef's stuff about Gibbs looks rather lively. Of course, it is a BLP, so we should aim for NPOV and proper citations. Spotted a fat Stones biography in my local library yesterday, but my bag wa already full with shopping from our favourite supermarket. I've added Burn and Haig to the DYK nom to do list on my userpage, but Gibbs' deadline is first, so will do the nom for him tomorrrow evening. Edwardx (talk) 22:58, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
You managed to fill a whole bag with £5 of shopping? Impressive. I view it as a sort of game. Eating well for £5 per day while staying well informed. I may write a book. Philafrenzy (talk) 23:06, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
£10 if you please (well, less £2, less £1.20). And it was a rucksack. If the book is a success, I may start a page on here... Edwardx (talk) 23:15, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. Didn't know about that. I feel cheated now. Have you joined MyJohnLewis yet? Free coffee/tea AND cake once a month. My local one, Peter Jones, has a nice cafe on the top floor with lovely views. Edwardx (talk) 23:35, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
Indeed. I think there are several more colourful characters from 1960s London to do. I've added The Indian Antiquary to my DYK noms-to-do list on my userpage. That way it won't get overlooked. Edwardx (talk)
Outstanding is anything about the last version, which I have nothing on, including whether it had a "The" in the title; and the list of editors. Philafrenzy (talk) 22:38, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
I can wait until the morning, but I'll be out from about 11-6. How about "Christopher Gibbs (together with Robert Fraser) is credited with inventing Swinging London and was the first man in England to wear flared trousers in 1961". Or we could use something from Keith on Gibby about "amyl nitrate popper"... Edwardx (talk) 23:07, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
Great work. The 30-year gap is odd, isn't it? I guess he was just getting on with his antique dealing and interiors business. Edwardx (talk) 09:27, 1 June 2014 (UTC)
That is most likely, though you do sometimes see aged teddy boys, hippies etc on the tube who are frozen in time. The importation of Moroccan style into London where it may have influenced hippie culture is an interesting aspect. Philafrenzy (talk) 09:44, 1 June 2014 (UTC)
Yes, scrapping together 1500 characters gets easier with experience. I've add Men in Vogue to the DYK deadlines list on my userpage. Edwardx (talk) 13:15, 1 June 2014 (UTC)
One would hope so. Sadly the "DYK check" tool does not count anything in a bulleted list, so we are all of 7 characters short. As you will have noticed, your redlinks have led to Rupert Lycett Green and Michael Rainey. Lycett Green will definitely be a DYK. Too early to say about Rainey. I'm enjoying the '60s that I was too young to appreciate the first time round. I have a Mr. Fish shirt somewhere and should dig it out to wear whilst editing in this area, but I've just discovered that they go for good money on a certain online auction site. Edwardx (talk) 09:58, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
Working on Rainey right now, but will look at Man About Town. I always knew that the idea of the '60s as some sort of working class movement was a myth; now I find out it was hardly even middle class - it's riddled with Old Etonians and the aristocracy. You are of course welcome to contribute to any of mine and get the appropriate DYK credit.Edwardx (talk) 10:18, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
Everything in British life is riddled with old Etonians and the aristocracy! They don't need to be members of the Illuminati, the conspiracy is right out there in public view. There is nothing stopping you from creating articles about Co-operative associations in Macclesfield of course... Philafrenzy (talk) 10:27, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
Hooks based around the Brian Jones etc photoshoot required. Man About Town is nearly there. Needs more on why it was important. Philafrenzy (talk) 15:10, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
Man About Town is now the "progenitor of all today's men's style magazines". Sounds important enough. Edwardx (talk) 19:14, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
Great stuff. That was exactly what was required. I should have thought of Press Gazette. I get their regular email newsletters. Philafrenzy (talk) 19:18, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
I had been thinking of creating this article many moons ago. So I was very pleased to see that you had created it and that I was able to find a free image. SethWhales talk21:31, 1 June 2014 (UTC)
That is most welcome - the same could be said of most articles, but this one REALLY needed an image! Thanks. Edwardx (talk) 21:36, 1 June 2014 (UTC)
Alas, you have not. I would have replied sooner at the DYK nom page, but I've been waiting to hear from someone for a few days. Anyway, the gist of my proposal is to seek a Third Opinion on this article (see WP:THIRDOPINION). Would you have any issues with that? Edwardx (talk) 09:49, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
Technically we already have a third opinion, given Piotr's original contribution, but I will not object to whatever route you want to take to end this. I must admit I am annoyed with your refusal to trust scholarly sources without any evidence to the contrary. Maybe I am missing something. If you could ELI5 what is driving your unwillingness to trust the sources, and specifically which sources underpin your view to the contrary (without which surely the debate is all just WP:OR) I would appreciate it. I would also really appreciate if you could give me your thoughts on each of the points I wrote to respond carefully to your last post at the DYK. Instinctively I feel like since you chose to open this can of worms it's only right that you should try to close it instead of passing the buck to a new third party, but if you don't have time to close the can I will be disappointed but will not object. Oncenawhile (talk) 19:28, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
Very sorry, but I don't see how one could reasonably call a perfunctory review of an article that should have failed DYK as it was then written a "third opinion". In any event, you have repeatedly failed to respond to my points well before any plausible claim could be made that I failed to address yours. I will now list this at WP:THIRDOPINION. Edwardx (talk) 19:37, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. You wrote I have "repeatedly failed to respond to [your] points". Of all your questions there was just one that I did not answer directly, which was your request for primary sources. As I explained, these are all in Hebrew. I find your accusation to be insulting and very poor behaviour, given how hard I worked to diligently answer all of your concerns. Oncenawhile (talk) 09:52, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
I have added more detail from another source into the article, which is crystal clear re the connection between Ben-Gurion and the later implemented immigration policy.
As to "Zionist leadership", here is an Israeli government website [1], which should be proof enough. If not, a very quick google search will illustrate clearly that it is a simple descriptive term, used commonly throughout the web and the scholarly community. Oncenawhile (talk) 20:32, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
Train the Trainers refresher 2014
Hi Edward,
Are you going to the refresher on the 28th? I have created a page for it wmuk:Train the Trainers refresher 2014. Signing-up there isn't compulsory, but we can use the page to coordinate and discuss what we want to get out of the day.
Thanks for your kind reminder. I've been meaning to sign up for this, so have now done so. Food and drink immediately afterwards on the Saturday evening makes most sense, but I'm London-based and flexible. Edwardx (talk) 21:01, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
Thanks in advance for doing the IA. Are you aiming to get Rupert Lycett Green to the relevant level or have you moved on? Philafrenzy (talk) 10:15, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
Please see User:Edwardx#DYK_collaborators_sought for the up-to-date list of articles where I will definitely be doing a DYK nom. You may have noticed that Christopher Gibbs somehow lost his flares, and the DYK its flair, in transitioning to the main page. Edwardx (talk)
They are all connected, though it is unclear whether in reality they are any more connected than other elite groups. The leadership in North Korea are probably fairly well connected to each other too. It's the way of the world. Philafrenzy (talk) 12:20, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
It doesn't always quite format them right but still saves a lot of time as all you have to do is tweak them. One thing I have noticed on G Books is that when you scroll to the first pages the publishing details are often different to what they say they are in "About this book". Probably more streets, as one leads to another, as streets are wont to do. Lots of history in them too. I note that the three volume London Past and Present is available both in Internet Archive and in its reprinted form on G Books. Philafrenzy (talk) 23:20, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
I prefer Penguin Books. But, I'm really struggling to find anything of note to add to the article. Alas, I think you'll have to nominate it yourself. You still have a few noms left before you have to enter the minefield of reviewing others. Edwardx (talk) 22:58, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
It's a bit on the short side so I will save the the two or three self-noms I have left for longer candidates when your excellent suggestion of extending the time limit is adopted. Philafrenzy (talk) 09:05, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for your kind comments on the 7/10-day proposal. I'm chuffed with the encouraging words and support from so many people. Edwardx (talk) 10:41, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
Looking at MOS:ITALIC, I think it would be a tricky one to argue. After all, don't most things start as fiction before they become established facts? I'm trying to avoid interminable discussions and focus more on quietly creating new content. Okay, I slipped up with challenging the DYK nom for One Million Plan, but I've only myself to blame for that! Edwardx (talk) 14:01, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
Quietly getting on with it is exactly my view too. I am sure you are right that pubs cannot be italicised, though every time I type the name of one I have to resist the urge to italicise it. Streets are going well. Each turns out to be quite expandable. Philafrenzy (talk) 14:31, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
Yes, but not necessarily a red link. I may get a map and highlight the missing ones then I could string 20 together. Philafrenzy (talk) 14:42, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
DYK for E. J. Rapson
On 5 June 2014, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article E. J. Rapson, which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that British numismatistE. J. Rapson was reckoned to have an uncanny ability to identify ancient coins merely by feel? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/E. J. Rapson. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
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The proper procedure here is to merge anything useful from your new article into the one that has existed for years, and then redirect if necessary (which it isn't his name is "Rainer" and he is called "Ray" by his friends). Please revert your edits. --Randykitty (talk) 19:10, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
Sorry about that. Everything from the old article has been included. A quick search on Google for "Rainer Guillery" gets 331 results, and "Ray Guillery" gets 9720, and the first three pages (at least) are all him. Therefore it is sensible to have the article called "Ray Guillery". In the same way, Bill Clinton is really William Clinton, but the article is Bill Clinton. Edwardx (talk) 19:57, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
He indeed signed some of his editorials in the European Journal of Neuroscience as "Ray", so Ray it is. However, what you did (a copy-paste "move") is still problematic, because it doesn't adhere to WPs licensing... The proper way to do this would have been to move the article "Rainer Guillery" to the new title "Ray Guillery" and then modify it as necessary. The way you did it, the edit history of the article has gone lost. It now looks like you created the article and basically were its only editor, whereas in reality it was created years ago by Slowking4. I'll see whether a history merge can be done to correct this. This may involve a temporary deletion, don't worry about that when you see it, but give me some time to do that (I first have to figure out how, never having done this yet... :-) --Randykitty (talk) 11:24, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for doing a fine job of tidying up my mess. At least we ended up with a better and more up-to-date article. Edwardx (talk) 19:44, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
°That's indeed the most important thing. And don't worry about the "mess" (wasn't that bad anyway): the reason I'll never forget that copy-paste is not the way to moving articles is because the first time I tried to move an article, I did it that way myself... :-) --Randykitty (talk) 21:24, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
The problem was that I created an article about Ray Guillery, only to then find out there was one about Rainer Guillery, and that they were one and the same person. So, I should have taken the stuff from "my" article and added it to the older one, and not the other way round. And then have moved it. We live and learn. Edwardx (talk) 22:13, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
Re: DYK nomination of Flag of São Tomé and Príncipe
Hello Edwardx - Please accept my apologies for the delay in responding to you. As you can probably guess from the fact that I've not responded sooner, I'm probably not the best person to give a third opinion on the matter in question. It's a topic area I tend to avoid at the best of times, and I've had very limited availability in the last 10 days or so. Thank you very much for thinking of me, however; I do appreciate that you thought my opinion would be impartial and valuable. Risker (talk) 02:05, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
That's quite okay, I had guessed, and not getting involved is the rational choice. Looking at Wikipedia:Third_opinion#Active_disagreements, it's been there nearly a week while other disputes have come and gone. I'm not that surprised. Maybe I'll raise it at DYK talk if nothing happens at 3O soon. Edwardx (talk) 09:00, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. Several obits on both sides of the pond. I'll try to add bits here and there, but today is likely to be busy with real work. Edwardx (talk) 09:29, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. Amusing confusing about the "Mrs Obama" coat. And the Canadians didn't believe Twiggy was a model as she was too thin. Philafrenzy (talk) 09:56, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for creating a page on Fred Hayman. Are you interested in creating more pages about Beverly Hills? Please let me know if you do. Thank you.Zigzig20s (talk) 15:45, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
Oh, that's a shame. Btw, are you able to find a picture (of him; possibly an old picture of his store, both copyright free)? That would greatly improve the page I think.Zigzig20s (talk) 01:48, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
Hello! I reviewed and approved your DYK nomination. I wanted to let you know that I took the liberty of tweaking the wording of the hook, so that it now says "one set of expensive epigraphic illustration plates for The Indian Antiquary had to be sent from London to Bombay three times". I changed it because I thought "once ... had to be sent three times" was confusing. Feel free to change it back if you disagree. (I'm commenting here, rather than there, because I've found it can hang up the promotion if there is discussion about the hook.) --MelanieN (talk) 17:59, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
Do you think you could source this? Would make a great article. You have missed the peas. I am sure it had garden peas too. Philafrenzy (talk) 21:54, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
Brilliant. I hope you have plenty of sources. Am I misremembering or is that what they ate at Abigail's Party? Or was it just the prawn cocktail? I will take a look PM tomorrow. Philafrenzy (talk) 22:21, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
There will be enough for an article, but not sure yet about it being DYK length. The things we stumble across. As for Abigail's Party, I do remember cheese and pineapple on cocktail sticks, but not prawn cocktails. But, maybe the budget for the production I was in many moons ago didn't stretch to prawns. I was "Tony", by the way. Edwardx (talk) 22:28, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
This should probably be "Great British meal out". Also I envisage DYK trouble over the article name. There is only one actual source for it. Ideas? Philafrenzy (talk) 23:05, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
Hadn't thought about name issues, but that makes sense. I'll see what I can find tomorrow. The article does look good. Edwardx (talk) 23:44, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
As the existing article name is the best one, I think we should run with it and see what happens in the DYK process. At worst, we have to change it. Will continue to try to find sources to back it up. Edwardx (talk) 11:30, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
Agreed, it's the least worst. Berni Inn meal is good but ties it too closely to Berni Inns. What about "out" and meal in lower case? The "out" bit seems an important part of the experience. Philafrenzy (talk) 11:36, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
Yes, meal should really be lower case and maybe "out" should be added. I've added to the lead to reflect this. However, I think we should leave the article name as it is for now, so we don't end up moving it more than once. Maybe a new source or two will turn up. Edwardx (talk) 11:49, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
All the sources for "Great British Meal" refer to Hopkinson and Bareham. So, I'll try to deal with that in the lead. Edwardx (talk) 11:56, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
Did you know that Edward Hatton was the first person to draw up a comprehensive guide to the streets, buildings and life of London after the Great Fire of 1666? Philafrenzy (talk) 11:14, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
Great stuff. I've added more (some a bit trivial). Both good hook ideas. 2100 characters, so long enough. I've added it to my DYK nom to do list, but there are three noms to do today alone. Edwardx (talk) 12:14, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. Skip it if it is too much but I can't imagine getting the invention of the Bucks Fizz on the front page again, though Clifford Street is probably not the mostly likely click-through from there. Sadly the Wodehouse one is probably the weaker of the two. Philafrenzy (talk) 12:49, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
Didn't know Buck's Fizz (drink or pop group?) had been on the front page. Maybe we could add the probable Sidecar to the hook too? Agree that it is likely a more click-worthy hook than Wodehouse. Edwardx (talk) 13:01, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
5 days is now 7 days for DYK noms, so the pressure is off. But I'll still do at least one today. How about "...the Great British Meal of prawn cocktail, steak and Black Forest gâteau is claimed to be the UK's most popular meal out of the 1980s?" Edwardx (talk) 15:46, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
We'll leave it to the reviewer then. I think the cake is the best photo to go with, as we've already had the prawns, and steak and chips seems too generic. No "chips" in the hook to keep it shorter and avoid North Americans confusion. But, you've probably foreseen all of that anyway. Edwardx (talk) 18:06, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
On balance I favour no ingredients and no picture. That makes clicking much harder to resist, particularly since the term Great British Meal is in fact a neologism! Philafrenzy (talk) 18:10, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
As I've commented on the nom page, it probably won't be the first hook, so no photo anyway. But, first hook always gets more hits, so perhaps we should try for it anyway. Edwardx (talk) 19:34, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:QPQ#QPQ. As part of the DYK process, you should review another nomination. "New nominators (those with fewer than five DYK credits) are exempt from this review requirement, as is the nomination of another editor's article, although they are strongly encouraged to do so." I'm not sure if you've done five yet or not. Edwardx (talk) 09:43, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
Hello. Would you consider creating an article on the Chiltern Firehouse? See this article, and there must be more. The building is listed, so the article could easily be a start. Also, can you please reply on my talkpage? Much easier to keep track of conversations this way. Thank you.Zigzig20s (talk) 10:02, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
I'm very much an inclusionist, but I'm a bit sceptical about restaurants that haven't been around very long. Having said that, it is the sort of thing that many of our readers would be interested in. And as you rightly say, the building istelf is notable, and I've done plenty of listed building articles, including fire stations. So, I'll do an article about the fire station and create the restaurant as a redirect to it. If that goes well enough, we can think about later creating the restaurant as an article in its own right! Edwardx (talk) 10:30, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
It will be interesting to see what the article traffic is like. If high, that could also help to justify a separate article. Edwardx (talk) 11:16, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
I added a bit more, with an infobox. I think two sections may be sufficient, as long as they are fleshed out. Perhaps you could take more pictures if you are in London. Also, it would be good to know when the building stopped being used as a fire station. And who the architect was--do we know his name?Zigzig20s (talk) 11:37, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
The architect was Robert Pearsall. And guess who created that article in December 2013? I think this fire station was already on my mental to do list - thanks for encouraging me! Edwardx (talk) 13:08, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
I created this one from Wikisource text. He sailed to Cape Town avoiding an attack by a French privateer. Is an article created using Wikisource eligible for DYK? (It would need plenty of tidying up first) Philafrenzy (talk) 19:05, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Did_you_know#Eligibility_criteria, 2b) "DYK articles may freely reuse public domain text per Wikipedia's usual policy, with proper attribution. However, because the emphasis at DYK is on new and original content, text copied verbatim from public domain sources, or which closely paraphrases such sources, is excluded both from the 1,500 minimum character count for new articles, and from the x5 expansion count for x5 expanded articles." But, everyone likes pirates, so how much of the article is affected? Edwardx (talk) 20:57, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
Congratulations! Hopefully someone will expand it more. Also, perhaps someone could take a picture of the smaller shop.Zigzig20s (talk) 04:35, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. I've replied on the nomination page - still needs a QPQ review of another DYK nomination to be done. Edwardx (talk) 12:44, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. The thing is I don't know how to review other DYKs. Another wikipedian told me it was very complicated...Zigzig20s (talk) 15:15, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
Once you have five or more DYK credits, which I believe you do, you have to review one other nomination for each article you self-nominate. See WP:DYKR for details. None of us really know how to review a nomination before we try. If you do your best and note in your comments that it is the first one that you've reviewed, others should be tolerant of any shortcomings! My advice would be to pick an article about which you have some understanding of the subject matter, you read the language(s) concerned, and where the sources especially for the hook are available free online. If you have any questions just drop a note on my talk page. Edwardx (talk) 21:16, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
Nice article and already 1322 characters. I've added it to my DYK noms-to-do list. All five are yours, bar Marylebone Fire Station, which I started at the prompting of someone else. Will try to do some later, but Covent Garden tonight. No football! Edwardx (talk) 14:29, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
Like the music students outside Knightsbridge tube I saw the other day who jumped straight into the good bits of the Four Seasons. Keep it to three minutes, people will only stand that long before moving on. That is my advice. Philafrenzy (talk) 17:10, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
Hi. Do you think you could help me with my DYK for Lili Bosse, the current Mayor of BH? An editor suggested she may have lied about being the only daughter of Holocaust survivors, so another reference from The Jewish Journal of Greater Los Angeles. (I wondered if even questioning her on this might be antisemitic?) Now he is trying to question a citation from the BH City website. I will never suggest any more articles for DYK, because this has made it such a waste of time...but I would like to get this article to the front page, to make sure it was not blocked by antisemitism. Since you seem to have some interest in BH, perhaps you can help?Zigzig20s (talk) 15:00, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
It's more to do with needing a secondary source to support anything in a DYK hook. Lili Bosse herself is a primary source. See WP:PRIMARY for more on this. And writing anything that might suggest that another editor could be antisemitic is probably never a good idea! I already have one difficult Israel-related DYK nomination to get back to (see Template:Did you know nominations/One Million Plan, and some discussion above), so I'm very reluctant to wade into another. Having said that, I'm happy with your hook, as long as you can produce a decent secondary source. Edwardx (talk) 00:06, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
When you're doing things like the London pub articles, can you 1) include {{coord missing|London}} or better still, the coordinates themselves? I'm trying to keep Category:United Kingdom articles missing geocoordinate data as empty as possible, Anomebot automatically inserts {{coord missing|United Kingdom}} but isn't yet clever enough to knock it down to the county level, so someone ends up doing it manually... Also, it's helpful to add a Wikiproject banner and image request (if needed) as it's useful for a Project to claim "ownership" of an article, if only to give bots someone to notify for RFCs, renames and the like - see eg Talk:Duke of Kent, Ealing. Cheers. Le Deluge (talk) 10:07, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
Thank you. I used to do this, but I've been forgetting to add them. The English Heritage pages give TQ numbers, so I can enter that data into http://gridreferencefinder.com/# and that yields x and y co-ordinates. I'll endeavour to do add them in future. And I'll try to add stuff to the talkpage too. Edwardx (talk) 11:37, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
Sergent Blandan
I think the statue has his ashes in the base. I don't know how good your French is - mine is as good as a Chinaman who doesn't know any French - but the English article for the Sergent is missing if you are inclined. Philafrenzy (talk) 11:08, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. Lived in France for a while, many years ago, plus an O Level - I'll see what I can do. I've started Dave Goulson today, which I'll get to DYK nom level. As I was doing the article, I realised that he's a third cousin. Small world or something. Edwardx (talk) 13:19, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
Should be plenty of French Algeria spin-offs from Blandan if that sort of thing interests you. I assume you have reported yourself to the COI notice board on your cousin. If you were a judge you would have to recuse yourself. Philafrenzy (talk) 14:02, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
I quite enjoyed that - surprised how well I was able to do, without the aid of online translation. Blandan is at 1724 characters, so is on my DYK noms-to-do list. Thanks again. Edwardx (talk) 22:27, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
Yes, good work. I didn't expect you to go so far on it. I am sure there is more about the ashes in the base in one of the sources. I will try to find it. It could do with slightly stronger references generally. Philafrenzy (talk) 22:44, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
Its a pleasure to give you this award on behalf of the DYK project. Some very good contributions and I'm impressed to see your invitations to others to collaborate on your page. I do hope we see more of your efforts and contributions. Thanks from me and the wiki. Victuallers (talk) 22:31, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
Thank you kindly. Andrew Davidson included me in a DYK nom, and that drew me deeper into collaborative content creation, so I'm experimenting with extending that idea. DYK is a non-zero-sum game! Edwardx (talk) 23:16, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
That's done now, subject to any additions you may have. I think the Crown Estate are doing some big development in the street? Philafrenzy (talk) 17:55, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
I just checked and they had none, which is unbearable, but they did have plenty of prawn cocktails. Apparently, they have received a lot of publicity recently, I can't think why. Philafrenzy (talk) 16:23, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
I thought I'd heard of the name. Discussed the Guardian article, and briefly Moiré, with Lois Keidan when we did the LADA editathon. I would agree that Moiré's work is derivative, but she has had press coverage and is notable enough for a DYK. I'll look at it soon. Edwardx (talk) 23:03, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
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