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On 17 September 2015, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Owen Swift, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the bare-knuckleprize fighterOwen Swift(pictured) killed at least three opponents, leading to the rewriting of the rules of boxing? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Owen Swift. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
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Thanks for trying. It scrapes in as long enough. Still have to think of a hook. Maybe about asking £15m for the house, but selling for £3m? Maybe about "buying" a title? Maybe that his dad and brother were also presidents of (notable) corporations? Any thoughts? Edwardx (talk) 20:33, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
I will think about it. I wouldn't go with buying the title. It is pejorative and the title quite possibly came with property or mineral rights. In fact, I quite fancy buying one myself come to think of it. I understand that Irish titles are more freely traded than English. Lord of the manor titles are auctioned regularly but don't get you into the House of Lords. Philafrenzy (talk) 20:43, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
Indeed, that requires a nice fat donation to the political party of your choice. Afterwards you can sell a book slagging off the leader, to recover some of the expense. 20:52, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
DYK that "the holder of the Scottish title Baron of Dunure is a Canadian telecoms billionaire from Montreal?" or some variant thereof. Philafrenzy (talk) 21:18, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
According to an Oxford University study mentioned in Private Eye (No. 1396, p. 12) it costs on average only £333,000 to get a Lib Dem peerage, only half of which is paid up front. Makes Ashcroft's £8m seem expensive. No wonder he is so angry. Philafrenzy (talk) 09:14, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
I imagine that the LibDems now have more peers than MPs, but perhaps they have for a while. Certainly you can now fit all the LibDem MPs in a people carrier. Philafrenzy (talk) 10:29, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
Under Corbynomics everyone will be a billionaire due to inflation, but nobody will be able to afford to buy a cup of coffee without a wheel barrel full of notes. Philafrenzy (talk) 00:19, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
Nice work - doing your bit for Class War. Alas, I can't find anything remotely reliable about Taylor McWilliams being a billionaire. Wonder who his parents are? Edwardx (talk) 23:41, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
Is (born 1971/1972) standard now? It's interesting that they donated to the Conservatives in the same year they were sued by the MOJ. Before or after? Philafrenzy (talk) 10:12, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
I like the template, in that it helps to cite age and thus a circa DOB for a BLP. However the "born 1971/1972" is a bit of a cut and paste job. If you prefer "born c. 1972", please fell free to change it back. Done a bit more expansion, and it looks like the donation was later. And the case was settled out of court. Edwardx (talk) 10:36, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
If a reliable source makes a clear connection, I will mention it. Otherwise, we have to leave it to our editors to join the dots however they will... Edwardx (talk) 11:37, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
On 4 October 2015, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Henry Lowenfeld, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that in 1890, Henry Lowenfeld, a Polish immigrant, established the UK's first brewer of non-alcoholic beer, in Fulham, London? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Henry Lowenfeld. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
I found your discussion of Ronda Keane Muschenheim at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3AHoward_Gould.
If you are interested in information regarding Rhonda Keane Muschenheim, I may be able to help.
I was her attorney, and the Executor of her estate.
Indeed, Mrs. Muschenheim was the daughter of Howard Gould, born out of wedlock to actress Doris Keane.
I can relay oral history shared by Mrs. Muschenheim during her lifetime.
I have scant documentary evidence aside from copies of several well funded Trust Agreements created for her benefit and signed by Howard Gould.
I respect that this may not be substantive enough to be of value. — Preceding unsigned comment added by T&EAttorney (talk • contribs) 13:52, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
No! I couldn't find something to definitely confirm it, but looking at all the details, there can be no real doubt that it is correct. Edwardx (talk) 10:08, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
Cruks, I am rather bewildered by this. Looking at the history for John Cryan, I edited it [[2]], with an edit summary, "copyedit". You undid it 36 minutes later, [[3]], with no edit summary. I undid your edit 112 minutes later [[4]], with an edit summary, "see MOS:JOBTITLES, and WP:MOS, especially WP:LEAD". You undid my edit 4hr 39m later, [[5]], again with no edit summary.
I think the following observations might be helpful:
1. This falls under the broad heading of Wikipedia:Edit warring. Two quotes from the section just below the TOC may help to illuminate my actons, "Reverting vandalism is not edit warring", and "When reverting, be sure to indicate your reasons. This can be done in the edit summary and/or talk page". The changes I was seeking to make neither add nor remove content, are essentially stylistic, and are all supported by policy. Thus "copyedit" seemed a reasonable, if perhaps perfunctory edit summary. In the absence of an edit summary, it was not unreasonable to interpret your revert as vandalism. Nonetheless, in accordance with WP:AGF, when reverting this possible vandalism, I left a more detailed edit summary, citing policies which supported my edit.
2 On 30 March, 220 of Borg left a polite explanation on your talkpage requesting that you leave edit summaries, to which you replied, "Ok, I will." See User_talk:Cruks#Edit_summarys.
3 I notice that I am not the only one that you are handing out these template warnings to. For example, [[6]]
Would you prefer if I was to introduce these changes to John Cryan in small incremental steps, citing policy for each, so that you can more easily follow my reasoning? I would welcome your views. Edwardx (talk) 10:45, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
On 16 October 2015, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article The Star, St John's Wood, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that The Star—despite being an asset of community value—was converted into an estate agency in April, leaving St John's Wood with just three pubs but 13 estate agents? You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
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One red link leads to another. Looks like you've opened up clear blue water between us in creating new articles! Edwardx (talk) 10:46, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
Yes, but we have been in this situation before and you caught up and passed me. The Wiki ocean is full of risks. I could suffer an engine failure at any time, or be torpedoed by ArbCom or ANI. Philafrenzy (talk) 10:56, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
The coverage (references, external links, etc.) does not seem sufficient to justify this article passing Wikipedia:General notability guideline and the more detailed Wikipedia:Notability (companies) requirement. If you disagree and deprod this, please explain how it meets them on the talk page in the form of "This article meets criteria A and B because..." and ping me back. Thank you,
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Meant to expand that article, but there is so much to do here that distractions are hard to avoid. Anyway, the company is clearly notable and I have added more content. Of course, you could have done that yourself... Edwardx (talk) 14:00, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
I have a non-observant friend who lives locally. Yes, that is very much West Hampstead, and I've tweaked the article accordingly. Edwardx (talk) 10:01, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. I've added some stuff. That user's sole activity here was creating it in userspace on 26 August 2013, so unless someone moves it, that's where it will stay. Might as well be you! Edwardx (talk) 09:58, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
There is more about Ubben's investments in the NYTimes according to Google, but I've reached my viewing limit apparently. I can move it to mainspace, but will you edit/improve it once I have? I find hedge funds to be more than a little on the boring side compared to individuals.Zigzig20s (talk) 17:36, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
I'll have a look after you move it. Like you, I prefer the people to the companies - all the interesting stuff they keep secret anyway! Edwardx (talk) 19:03, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
The coverage (references, external links, etc.) does not seem sufficient to justify this article passing Wikipedia:General notability guideline and the more detailed Wikipedia:Notability (companies) requirement. If you disagree and deprod this, please explain how it meets them on the talk page in the form of "This article meets criteria A and B because..." and ping me back. Thank you,
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Another article where notability can easily be established, but again you seemingly can't be bothered to use Google (other search engines are available). This is starting to look like WP:HOUNDING. Edwardx (talk) 12:20, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
I wish I could justify spending the time, but my expertise is quite limited, and Israel/Palestine involves such a huge investment of time for little or no return. Your efforts at more balanced evidence-based articles are much appreciated by many people. Edwardx (talk) 00:58, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
Wiki of Andre Esteves
Hi Edwardx,
Let me understand how can I improve the wiki of Andre Esteves, as you reverted my contribution.
There is missing information as well as wrong ones.
Regarding the case Sete Brasil, it is said Marcelo Odebrecht organized crime relating to contracts worth billions of dollars with the rigs company Sete Brasil.
Marcelo Odebrecht was arrested as the fallout broadens in an investigation into corruption at the state-run oil giant Petrobras, not Sete Brasil. This information is referenced by an article published by The New York Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/20/business/international/brazil-arrests-head-ofodebrecht-in-petrobras-scandal.html
My edits respect Wikipedia´s fundamental principle of good faith. They are real and true information. I used trustful references, such as articles published in the most prestigious magazines and newspapers. Could you please reconsider my edits or let me understand how can I make them better?
This article does seem to be rather contested. I will try to find time to get to the bottom of what would and would not be reasonable to say. Edwardx (talk) 01:00, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
Edwardx, were you planning to come back to this review to complete it, or should I call for someone new to do a review. The nominator says that a new cite has been added, but I don't know whether that was what you felt was needed or whether there was a great deal more than that. You can let me know here if you want someone else to proceed. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 18:03, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
Hullo! I reviewed one of your DYK's last night and noticed there is no QPQ listed, for it and another DYK under your name. Joseph Grendys & Ernst Beyeler. I had a hunt round for DYK's you've reviewed to pop them in as QPQ to save time, but couldn't find any to use. Anyway, I just wanted to ping you about them in case you'd forgotten :) --Errant(chat!)13:15, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
No worries :) feel free to ping me on Joseph Grendys when it's done so I can tick it for ya. PS just twigged that we ran that 2012 Stamford training session together :) Time flies! --Errant(chat!)14:09, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
Thanks Errant. Joseph Grendys QPQ done, but Beyeler was promoted before I had a chance. Stamford 2012 was my first WP training session - is it really three years ago? Edwardx (talk) 00:48, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
I'm not one to quibble over Beyeler. Thanks for doing the other QPQ, all signed off now. It was fun, I miss doing the training sessions but they are all so far away from my neck of the woods to make it a bit infeasible to go. --Errant(chat!)08:49, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
At the London meet-ups, we often discuss training - what to teach, who to teach it to, and what really is the point. After all, almost none of the trainees ever become editors! Edwardx (talk) 11:39, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
DYK for Ernst Beyeler
On 28 October 2015, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Ernst Beyeler, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Ernst Beyeler, "the greatest art dealer since the war", left a collection worth at least $1.85 billion when he died in 2010? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Ernst Beyeler. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
There's no website (or at least I can't find it), but there's a website for "Letter One", with a totally different board... I wanted to add Category:Companies based in London, but I can't find the address of the HQ...Zigzig20s (talk) 10:59, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
Looking at Letterone.com - L1 Energy, it looks like L1 Energy is a subsidiary of LetterOne, which has a Luxembourg HQ. "LetterOne is a registered trademark of LetterOne Holdings S.A." Quite possibly there is a complicated structure for tax purposes. I'd say they are effectively the same company, for our purposes, for now anyway. Edwardx (talk) 11:37, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
My considered view is that as they are a Luxembourg company, they follow the continental system of having two boards, Board_of_directors#Two-tier_system, thus the executive board and the supervisory board would equate to the "Team" and the "Advisory Board". Does that make sense? Edwardx (talk) 12:40, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
I have updated the Paul Polman page accordingly. In future, could you please leave any messages at Talk:Paul Polman, so that anyone who is interested can comment or take action. I will see anything posted there as the article is on my watchlist. Edwardx (talk) 12:41, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
Oh, btw, User:Andriana10: Perhaps you could explain to us why Unilever insists upon selling minuscule shower gel bottles in Europe? Are there specific references we could use to create an article on the size differences between American and European shower gel bottles? It may seem like a First World problem, but it is extremely annoying.Zigzig20s (talk) 20:32, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
Now you mention it, something really should be done. Of course, American bodies are rather larger on average, and they are more extravagant in their application of shower gel. We Brits shower once a week whether we need to or not, and can make one of those bottles last a year. Edwardx (talk) 00:54, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
I'm an over-showerer. Cleanliness is next to godliness. I suggest Unilever starts promoting germophobia to increase their revenue.Zigzig20s (talk) 01:40, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
I think the big companies are on to that. Just look at the endless "feminine hygeine" products. But men are still an underexploited market. Edwardx (talk) 11:41, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
I don't encounter many females; why should I? I don't know if they shower more often than men. I sometimes see dust in dressing-rooms on my shopping sprees. There is definitely an investment opportunity in promoting germophobia in the wider population. An equity to leverage and scale.Zigzig20s (talk) 11:54, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
Lol, I don't watch TV. (We weren't allowed to watch TV at boarding school, so I didn't grow up with it and it seems foreign to me...sometimes I'll watch a Fox News clip on youtube though!) I don't have OCD--I'm just not filthy--and my Polish housekeeper keeps the house fairly clean, though I have considered getting a second housekeeper...Zigzig20s (talk) 13:44, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
I think you should get a second house first. Growing up, the servants were quite strict, and watching commercial television risked a sound thrashing. So it was the BBC or nothing. Edwardx (talk) 23:29, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
With regard to my edit to the article, you have reverted a large amount of work in one go. The only cited content you are referring to is a sentence about The Guardian's report of staff on zero hour contracts. What you appear to have missed has been the reorganised lead, the updated infobox, replaced references and additional information about the company's recent growth. If the report on zero hour contracts is that important that it must be included, couldn't you have just added that sentence back in? At present there is no indication of why such contracts are a problem, or that notable. Many readers will probably not take much in from that sentence as it stands.
Thank you for your message. It was the misleading edit summary that was of most concern. There is further content in The Guardian article that I have now added in, but to go beyond that would be WP:OR. In any event, if our readers would like to know more about zero-hour contracts, then surely they can click through to the wikilinked article on the subject. It is not for us to determine if they are a "problem" in the Everyman context. Edwardx (talk) 16:38, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for your reply and your edits. I understand you felt the edit summary was far too succinct than it should have been, and I apologise for that. However, using a metaphorical sledgehammer to crack a nut was not the right action to take. I trust that in future if you notice an overly simplistic edit summary by myself that you will make the changes you see fit and contact me, without hitting undo quite so eagerly. As an aside, if our roles were reversed, I would have apologised. Cloudbound (talk) 18:13, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
Estrella de Chile (ship) has been nominated for Did You Know
Thanks for your adds on this one. I've adjusted the text on siblings slightly as there was another son, the banker David Ellis Franklin (not enough I can find for an article on him). I remember David Ellis as chair of the Working Men's College Corporation when I joined the college in the 70s. I remember him talking about his family's taking in refugees, but I seem to remember that it was during the Nazi pre-war push across Europe, although this might have happened during the Second World War too. The source doesn't mention the war. Thanks. Acabashi (talk) 14:10, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
Hello, I have replied to the deletion discussion for BrightHR and would like your opinion and feedback as soon as possible, so i can further address your concerns if required.
Thank you Cosmicsqueaker. I still don't see enough detailed coverage in proper independent third party sources. BrightHR might be notable one day, but not yet in my view. Edwardx (talk) 14:35, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
WAM - articles
Hi Edwardx, thank you join the Wikipedia Asian Month and I'm so glad to see you write many articles for it. WAM has the requirement of at least 3.5k bytes and 300 words (words exclude template, infobox etc). Please considering expand the article you've write and report it once it finished. Thank you and looking forward to see more articles from you!--AddisWang (talk) 19:00, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
On 7 November 2015, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Joseph Grendys, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that billionaire Joseph Grendys has built a business that kills 12 million chickens a week, but lives in the "bungalow where he grew up and drives a beat-up old Cadillac"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Joseph Grendys. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
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Thanks, but I'm barely interested in the manufactured pop culture of my own youth, let alone that of a different generation in another country. Edwardx (talk) 20:08, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
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Outdated/unreliable year in article re:Noam Gottesman
Hi Edwardx,
I was hoping you might be able to assist me in correcting some minor bits in the Personal section of the wifi for "Noam Gottesman". But first, thank you for updating the Spouse section to note the divorce from Geraldine Gottesman, and current spouse of Bianca Duenas.
My concern is the dating of "2014 he was dating the actress Lucy Liu". Lucy Liu was already documented as [1] dating an unnamed person as of August 2013
Articles after that 2013 link are all from "secret sources" on gossip pages - such as "NY Post Page6" articles. Would you consider allowing the change of dates for dating Lucy Liu from 2014 to 2013 to reflect the lack of reliable articles showing Mr Gottesman and Ms Liu together after 2013?
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