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Now if you really want a challenge, I also have added even more articles than that to the Category:TRS-80 games, which might be even harder to find more sources for you. If you want, I could pick out the ones that I created. BOZ (talk) 04:42, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
Early game companies
I know you have done a bunch of work on early 80s games, and in particular I see that you have spent some time on Big Five Software and its games. I just started stubs for a couple of contemporary companies, Instant Software and Med Systems Software if you want to have a look at those and if there is anything you would want to do with them! BOZ (talk) 04:53, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
As you saw when I started this thread, I also created the articles for Instant Software and Med Systems Software, in both cases because I had already started several articles for games based on the TSG reviews, and because there were already existing articles for games from those companies. There are a number of companies that have one, two, or three games on my TSG list (Acorn Software, Synergistic Solar, Level-10, Cornsoft Group, and others), so I may look further into some of those later to see if it is worth creating articles for those companies as well, or I may wait until I make more progress on the reviews to see if there are more games for them.
The publisher I have seen most often on the TSG articles is probably The Software Exchange. However, searching on the internet it is hard to find much information on them. It was not even clear to me that they are a publisher in the traditional sense. I count 7 articles I created which list them as publisher, so I would like to create an article for TSE next.
I tried making an article for Klondike Adventure[1], which is apparently a 1982 release by SoftSide's "Adventure of the Month Club", but the article was redirected to SoftSide before long. However, that article does not mention anything about an "Adventure of the Month Club" or the game Klondike Adventure (or, for that matter, Windsloe Mansion which I started at the same time under the same circumstances) so I am a bit mystified. Do you know of any sources that could be used to restore Klondike, and then improve Klondike and Windsloe, and if possible to get something on the Club in the SoftSide article? BOZ (talk) 16:37, 25 December 2018 (UTC)
OK here we go, here is some information on this series: [2] I'm going to restore Klondike to do as you did with Windsloe, and try to add a bit more substance to it. If you see anything else you can add to those two games, or add to the SoftSide article about the series, that would be excellent. :) BOZ (talk) 04:38, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
Nice! I do have some info on Jupiter Mission 1999. Well, both of them actually. They're written by the same person. Dgpop (talk) 17:42, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
I started a page for the Jupiter Mission 1999 sequel, Quest of the Space Beagle, so if you run across a Space Gamer review... 19:38, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
On Westward, I found one unreliable source indicating that at least some of the BASIC source was lifted from The Oregon Trail, but nothing to confirm that. Interesting. I've heard of Convoy Raider, but not the other. Dgpop (talk) 17:01, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
Thanks! I wish there were more sources for TSE games. Usually there's just the original SoftSide piece and some later ads for the TSE version. Reviews are hard to come by. Dgpop (talk) 16:18, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
I know, these older games are trickier for a variety of reasons, although it does seem like some publishers have better coverage than others. I've got a few more to ask about this time, but if you can find anything for Galactic Trader, Labyrinth, Parsector V, and Slag let me know. :) BOZ (talk) 16:32, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
Hey man, although I have said it before plenty of times, first of all I want to say a huge thank you for everything you have done on the articles I started, and everything else you have done in general for old school video games. :) Rather than keep bugging you about this game or that game, I am going to just leave you to work on what you want to your heart's content. I have compiled a list of what I have seen so far from Space Gamer's reviews into this user page: User:BOZ/SGVG. I created between half and 2/3 of those pages, and added notes about the review to the already-existing articles. You can work on any of them as much as you want, and you can stop whenever you want and come back whenever you want. I will continue to update this user page whenever I have added new reviews, although I only have maybe a dozen issues or so to go through. You will continue to see my "thanks" whenever you add something to an article that I created. :) BOZ (talk) 03:23, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
You've done a fantastic job digging up some lost relics from the early 8-bit computer era. Having all the SG reviews on one page will be useful--or at least fun--to check in on occasionally. Much appreciated! Dgpop (talk) 16:48, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
By the way, I might have finally gone through all of the new articles I could possibly add based on reviews in Space Gamer (I suspect that VODAC was the last), although I could be wrong. Regardless, there aren't very many issues left for me to go through. :) BOZ (talk) 03:18, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
Hi! Hope you are doing well. :) I started Planetoids (video game) today if you have anything for that one. Just to let you know, I have been working my way through "Next Generation" magazine and expect to finish that in roughly a month, at which point I am going through Computer Gaming World starting back in the early 80s so that will be fun. :) BOZ (talk) 19:19, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
I do have some info on Planetoids which I hope to add soon. I expect CGW is going to be a gold mine of info! Dgpop (talk) 13:59, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
Same here. :) If you have a bunch of retro 80s games on your watchlist, as I suspect you do, you will see my name popping up a lot there starting next month. ;) BOZ (talk) 21:40, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
There probably isn't much that can be done for those two right now, so moving on... today I started Space Ace 21 and I found a review for Meteor Mission II[3] so hopefully more will turn up so the article can be restored at some point. :) BOZ (talk) 17:02, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
No new articles today, I just wanted to let you know that in the last few days I have been very busy digging up reviews in old magazines and tossing them on articles (mostly ones I created) from the late 70s and early 80s, just to get some improvement on their sourcing for later. :) (By the way, if you see me posting any redlinks on your talk page, those are articles I have moved to Draft). BOZ (talk) 02:21, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for the update! I'm looking at all of these when I get the chance. Cartels & Cutthroats is important simply because of who designed it. Also, I just added Track Attack which you may run across in some of the magazines you're going through. Dgpop (talk) 21:21, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
By the way, in searching last night I found a couple of gems for this era. First of all, near the end of its run Softalk published a massive two-part index of all the games they reviewed, which is especially helpful since the page formatting on their reviews pages makes it difficult to figure out which games they were reviewing! pt 1: [4] and pt 2: [5] And possibly even better, I found this 1984 Software Encyclopedia from Electronic Games which includes commentary and ratings for some of them: [6]BOZ (talk) 13:34, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
Nice! I've run across the EG Software Encyclopedia, but not the others. There's also the huge Addison Wesley Book of Atari Software 1984, plus an Apple version, and several different years as well. The one I linked to has 400 pages of reviews of varying length with ratings. Dgpop (talk) 14:19, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
By the way, User:BOZ/Early computer game reviews is a work in progress that I thought would be better than looking through the same magazines over and over again, and once I'm done I can share it with others who would benefit from it. :) BOZ (talk) 17:21, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
I have also been working on reviews from British tabletop game magazine White Dwarf, and so far they have only dabbled lightly in video games, but that did bring me to start an article for this interesting game: Battle 1917. BOZ (talk) 21:56, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
I've been taking it easier on edits this week, but these are all good to look at. Computer Ambush is interesting, because there was an earlier version in 1982 (which started on the Apple II), then a 1984 update which was published for the Atari 8-bit first. Dgpop (talk) 17:04, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
I don't know if you want me to bother to keep mentioning these UK games that I start based on White Dwarf reviews, but just in case, today I started The Secret River and The Wizard's Citadel. I know that there are British gaming magazines that I am going to have to go through at some point to strengthen these up too. :) BOZ (talk) 19:10, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
I like seeing all of the new additions in one place (whether here or somewhere else), because you add more in a month than I have ever :) I am behind on keeping up with them all, but some catch my eye. Dgpop (talk) 18:29, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
This game is interesting because there appear to be two developers. Several sources say Synergistic Software but for at least the Atari ST version there's a big "Designed by Manley & Associates" logo on the back." Dgpop (talk) 01:45, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
Thank you for Movie Maker! That's been on my list for a while, and I've got a bunch of info about it. Will check the others out, too. Dgpop (talk) 19:16, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
LOL thanks, well... took about 6 weeks or so to put it together, and quite a few hours. :) Use it in good health! BOZ (talk) 03:43, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
I remember Golden Oldies! It was either from EA or republished by EA. And there wasn't a Volume 2, as far as I'm aware. Dgpop (talk) 18:26, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
Good stuff! I've been puzzling over Berserker Raids from an earlier update. There's strong evidence that the Apple II version was first and published in 1983, but Moby and gb64 have a Commodore 64 version from 1982, which doesn't line up. Hmmmm. Dgpop (talk) 01:48, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
I don't have a great knowledge of football or wargames, so many of these are new to me. Computer Quarterback is historically important because of who designed it. I'll see if I can find anything on the others. Dgpop (talk) 04:12, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
That's quite the pair of games! The box says Zaxxon 3-D, but curiously the title screen omits the hyphen. I haven't looked at any reviews yet. Dgpop (talk) 16:22, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
I'm probably taking a lengthy break from working on video game articles, so I won't be bugging you for a while. :) Meanwhile, hey, anything above that you want to do anything you want to do with, be my guest. :) BOZ (talk) 01:22, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
In case your watchlist has not been lighting up lately with my edits for you to figure it out, I will let you know that while I am on an extended break from working on CGW, I have been going back through my CGW-related creations and going through archive.org to find additional reviews and articles to make sure that I can prove as many of these meet the GNG as I can, and also to find sources that can be used to build the articles. :) The very good bright side is that somewhere around 90% of them so far have at least met the GNG if not better, and I am sure I will find more for most of the rest of those! After that, I am planning to go though the Reference Library pages I created and finding all the redlinked games, and then seeing which ones of those also meet the GNG to make a list of potential future articles! After that, I think I will resume working on CGW, so that will probably be sometime in February or March, possibly April. :) BOZ (talk) 23:50, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
I don't know if you got my ping, but that thread I put on the VG project talk page yesterday has a few dozen redlinked retro games with multiple reviews in case you see anything there you wanted to build. :) BOZ (talk) 21:43, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
You have a deep trove of late 1980s wargames! I'm not familiar with most of them, but they're interesting to dig into! Dgpop (talk) 16:06, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
This is one I've never heard of! Non-Moby sources are saying 1989 instead of 1990, but looking for something definitive. Dgpop (talk) 19:52, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
Dgpop, you are one of the few other Wikipedians that I ever see using the 'thank' button. Whenever I get this, I am compelled to acknowledge this, by searching out such a user's history and collaboratin'. Guess what, your user page shows that you started the article for my first ever word processor that got me writing back in fifth grade. I got Cut & Paste on my first computer, Atari 800xl, solely to write a little book about Nintendo to enter a child talent search contest. I didn't win but my family did get a NES for Christmas as a result of me going along with the contest. I had never looked up that app until now, so I'm glad to be able to learn and contribute about it. Thank you so much for being kewl. You can always email me or come to IRC if you wanna do more. I know you have done things with Apple II history, which I'm also all about because my second computer is a IIgs. Check out the thing I submitted about a super excellent source of 8-bit computer reviews.
Cut & Paste is one of those fun oddities. Who would have expected productivity software from EA? I love adding articles for things like that, when I can find them. I thought I knew all of the old computer magazines, but Computer Entertainer is new to me--checking it out. Have a good day! Dgpop (talk) 00:37, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
Did you use Cut & Paste in the 80s or how did you hear about it? Computer Entertainer is *sublime*, and those guys attended CES. So many platforms, so much news and reviews. — Smuckola(talk)08:20, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
What a mouthful. I'd never heard of it. Wow, did you do all your homework with it? I didn't have a printer until ImageWriter II. Mixing a text and graphics document, wow. It sounds gr8. — Smuckola(talk)08:35, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
My dad's Apple II was so much better for word processing, with two disk drives, a dedicated monitor instead of a TV, and AppleWorks. First XLEnt was decent enough, but it was kind of a backup for when the Apple was occupied. Dgpop (talk) 16:13, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
The examples confuse things. BASIC can be small--mostly because it was often implemented for small systems--but can also be large. Ditto for Lisp (Common Lisp is a big system). Brainfuck is more of a novelty than a useful language. The ones that best fit the definition are scripting languages or embeddable scripting languages, which makes me think there's overlap between those categories. Dgpop (talk) 16:34, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
So, should the list be turned into descriptions of some good examples of lightweight programming language and how/why the fit the criteria well? I find it very hard to find good citations, especially for that "easy to implement" part. Also thinking about creating more sections. I have not seen any lightweight compiled programming language, except V. Smlck19 (talk) 16:18, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
I can imagine citations are difficult to find, and this may be a sign. But, yes, I'd only list solid examples of languages that are small enough for someone to implement and that have actual uses, possibly as embedded scripting languages. Lua, Scheme, and Forth, plus maybe some of the Lua-like languages like Squirrel and Io. But then is this about embedded languages? Dgpop (talk) 03:15, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
"actual uses", well, that is not strictly required. The solid definition (that I do not dare to touch) says, those are easy to implement (toy/esoteric), low memory footprint (embeddable), and/or minimalist syntax/features (simple). I am thinking about dc, the desktop calculator. Anyway, if you are interested, we can continue in the talk page of that article. Smlck19 (talk) 16:05, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
TI-99/4A
Hey there! Thanks for moving my screenshot to a better place on the page. I'm awful at inserting images in Wikipedia articles, I seem to never do it correctly. I'm planning on doing a bit of work on that page, as well as some related technology pages like Intel 8080 and other older computers, where additions/sources etc are needed. Also, trying to make some wikipedia editor friends who are interested in the same things so I can bounce ideas/etc off of them :) Do you own a TI-99/4A? I got one over xmas last year and have played about with it quite a lot! MrAureliusRTalk!03:46, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
Sure, 172.250.44.165. Reviews not contemporaneous with a game's release are fairly meaningless unless there's a useful insight or historical context. In this case the extent of the quote was "Four reviewers in a 1997 issue of Digital Press gave the Atari 5200 version 5, 7, 8, and 5 (all out of 10)." There's nothing useful there to that. What does a 5/10 from a retrogaming newsletter mean? Dgpop (talk) 01:26, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
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Hey Dgpop! I just figured I'd discuss your recent edit to Roblox. Could you explain why you did what you did? I was tempted to revert it because I think "PC" is meant to include both Windows and macOS, however PC is technically not a platform itself so I decided to discuss it with you instead. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#654501:16, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
Sure. In the infobox, "PC" is not one of the Platform(s), but it was listed under "Release". I changed the latter to Windows, because "PC" is often misinterpreted. If the macOS version has the same release date, then it should be "Windows, macOS". Dgpop (talk) 17:49, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
I have a naughty gift for such a good kid. Just what you always wanted, a crusty ol dead tree! It's real, it's real! I saw that you had removed its unverifiability so I went to WP:LIBRARY to search my subscription setup, fail, and then place a request from someone who has a superior institutional subscription to EBSCO somehow. This article is a good source for several articles about the companies, machines, and games. — Smuckola(talk)03:53, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
Thanks for cleaning the wording of the Bucs-Saints rivalry look much better. Also, if there can do to make the wording better let me know. One last thing, as for why it came off as awkward, I do have a neurological disorder and hopefully, it explains why the wording came off as awkward. That still hasn't stopped me from doing research and contributing to this great website. DerpderpX (talk) 15:46, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
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Sega Genesis
Hey, I say your edit at Gunstar Heroes, and I just wanted to let you know that at first introduction in an article, Sega Genesis should be written out in full. That is the proper name of the console. Dreamcast is just Dreamcast, Game Gear is Game Gear, but Sega Genesis is Sega Genesis. Same for Nintendo Switch. TarkusABtalk/contrib05:42, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
Thanks for pointing that out. It felt redundant saying "Sega" and then "Sega Genesis" right after, but makes sense. Dgpop (talk) 16:59, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
Run and gun video game
Hey! I don't understand this edit. Both variants seem to point to the same thing, the new versions seems to only be longer and has no Rcats. What impact does this link update have? Regards, IceWelder [✉] 16:52, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
Hi IceWelder. "Run and gun" has been a mess with a bunch of variants, like "Run and gun shooter", which is redundant. I've been trying to clean that up, and may have been overzealous in some cases. "Run and gun video game" is the most obvious link, as opposed to constantly renaming "Run and gun game" to "Run and gun" followed by a link to "video game". Also, there are two sports meanings for "run and gun". Dgpop (talk) 20:44, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
With regard to this edit: If this development kit indeed has nothing to do with homebrew development, shouldn't you move that info out of the section "homebrew development"? Martin IIIa (talk) 14:42, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
Good point! It feels like there's nothing meaningful in that section. All consoles have SDKs, but they are rarely mentioned, and there are no reference for homebrew games. Dgpop (talk) 01:18, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
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Hi Dgpop! Thanks for doing some copy-editing. I posted a comment on the talk page about the release date of Star Raiders. It is a complicated issue, so any suggestions or comments could help us come to some sort of solution. Andrzejbanas (talk) 21:25, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
Thanks. I was trying to address the 2018 "too long" template, so I chopped out the strategy guide and mathematical games about some of the theoretical minimum scores. Dgpop (talk) 20:59, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
Andy Summers
I saw that you added a template to the Andy Summers article about the lede being too short. Can you show me an article with a lede that you consider well done? Thanks.~ Vmavanti (talk) 20:26, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
Here's one: Neil Peart. The Summers overview says he was in The Police, but (for example) doesn't mention that he's a founding member, played on all their albums, composed music, and won several Grammy Awards. It doesn't give an overall picture of his accomplishments and strengths. (To be fair, there are quite a few popular musician articles in the same boat.) Dgpop (talk) 21:24, 27 September 2023 (UTC)