User talk:Davidelit/Archive2

Barnstar

The Barnstar of National Merit For you excellent work on Indonesia articles in recent months, and particularly for your initiative taking sorting out the presentation and organisation of the Indonesian History series. Keep it up - remember, millions can see your work. — Merbabu 14:07, 26 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Saya setuju lagi SatuSuro 14:17, 26 August 2007 (UTC

friends

hi can we be friends please? —Preceding unsigned comment added by HyraxOfWikia (talk • contribs) 05:25, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Picture of the Week

A picture that you uploaded entitled Monas flags 1a.JPG has been selected as Picture of the Week on the Portal Indonesia for the Week 38, 2007. Thank you for your contribution to promote images of Indonesia.

— Indon (reply) — 09:06, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Biography Barnstar

		The Biography Barnstar
		For your hard work of creating new and already-in-high-quality biography articles of Indonesian revolutionary heroes: Soeprapto, Sutoyo Siswomiharjo, D.I. Panjaitan, M. T. Haryono, S. Parman and Ahmad Yani which had been missed in years in Wikipedia, not including other bio-article: Gatot Soebroto. Keep up the good work! — Indon (reply) — 08:45, 19 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Seconded by me! Noice work. --Merbabu 11:20, 19 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That's the curse of wikiediting. Merbabu once shouted that wikipedia is too big. Yes, the more you dig, the more holes you find. ;-) Actually, if there's a good communist-history barnstar, I'd like to give it to you, but I'm afraid of labeling you as such. — Indon (reply) — 13:10, 19 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

DYK: Gatot Soebroto

On 21 October, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Gatot Soebroto, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--PFHLai 03:25, 22 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

		The DYK Medal
		Awarded by this editor for a Did You Know contribution that appeared on the main page, a hook that is well written, referenced, and displays irony, fact related to a distinguishing characteristic of the subject of the article, or other notable property. AwardBot 17:07, 22 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fauzi Bowo

About religion & school, it's common (in my time also) that non-christian students study at a christian school and vice-versa. They are not actually a strict religious school, compared to pesantren, but just an ordinary private school run by some religious organization. The sentence "Despite being muslim, he enrolled in a catholic school" therefore is loaded one. The school itself is run by a catholic organization but it does not similar with the interpretation of catholic institutions in western countries. Hope that clears up. — Indon (reply) — 10:26, 24 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

Thanks for reverting the vandalism to my page. --Nlu (talk) 17:31, 27 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Terminology

Hi; "template" would be correct; "tag" would be acceptable. It is not a "thingy"!!! --Anthony.bradbury^"talk" 19:02, 16 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

Thanks for reverting the vandalism to my talk page. --Nlu (talk) 15:39, 16 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Re:Rollback

There you go, you now have rollback.   jj137 ^♠ 20:33, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Jakarta

oops - a shame though. A balanced, comprehensive, and referenced economy section would be good though. --Merbabu (talk) 13:48, 19 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Elections

No worries. You've done excellent work creating the articles - I don't think many other Asian countries (if any at all) have a full set. пﮟოьεԻ 57 13:29, 20 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

PS Were there ever any elections (even if limited to certain stratas of society) during the colonial period? I don't know if Indonesia had a territorial assembly like some British colonies. пﮟოьεԻ 57 13:35, 20 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OK, thanks very much for the information. Perhaps something to that effect could be added to the Elections in Indonesia article. пﮟოьεԻ 57 16:06, 20 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Help...

Hi David

I found this article Sumenep Trunojoyo Airport. I think it is a hoax created by a known hoax creator. from google. Can you find any non-internet info on it in Jakarta? Ring one of the airlines? I'm sure it's a hox, but it's on google. --Merbabu (talk) 12:42, 29 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

...and another issue you might like to contribute to - asking you is kinda full circle (ie, Transition to the New Order). here. --Merbabu (talk) 13:01, 29 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yup it is a good one - would go with that SatuSuro 13:28, 29 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Speaking of maps

hmm - i uploaded it to commons, but am surprised I didn't put into any articles. I will do so now. One for you to categorise? lol --Merbabu (talk) 13:49, 29 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

oh sorry, i used it on Java - clearly I'm still up past my productive editing time tonight. Merbabu (talk) 13:51, 29 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How cruel! It's taken me longer to jump through all the hoops to get the page I created deleted than it did to make it in the first place. That'll teach me! Davidelit (talk) 13:53, 29 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

30 September Movement

I referenced your latest edit because 1) I think it's important that a potentially contentious point is cited and 2) I couldn't resist the challenge :-) By the way, have you read Roosa's book. I would recommend doing so. Davidelit (talk) 16:18, 1 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(1) Indeed. (2) See your friendly doktor. Roosa? No - would be nice though. I'm reading "Suharto's Indonesia" (1980) by McDonald now - just for background. --Merbabu (talk) 03:18, 3 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

PS, you should consider archiving your talk page. I do my monthly. If you want instruction for the first time, just tell me from what month and I will put it all into one archive, then you can follow my steps the next time. --Merbabu (talk) 03:18, 3 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Lol at Friend - coincidently I have it opened at page 104 re Suharto. I also used it a fair bit in Indonesian National Revolution. What are your concerns re Friend, apart from the laugh at p. 196? Note, the candle on the table obstructing view of the TV, while there is clearly electricity on - also, the women on the left with her feet up. lol --Merbabu (talk) 05:00, 3 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

PS, Maybe it's not Jakarta but a "rumah" Orang Laut in king tide. --Merbabu (talk) 05:05, 3 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Indonesia TV stations

Geting all the dreamy situations - references to Indonesia wikipedia as a reference, and all the rest - will be trying to put something on the main WP Indonesia noticeboard about guidelines and hunting down all the arts that need cleaning up - what do you think? SatuSuro 09:37, 16 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Lists

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Indonesia#Lists_in_Indonesia_Project - your comments would be appreciated - thanks SatuSuro 11:49, 24 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Petisi 50

Awesome start!!! Wow. Thanks for getting that off the ground in a big way. I've run low on time for WP, but have long felt that the Petisi 50 was a gaping absence from WP. GREAT beginning!! I'll "watch" the page and try to find time to plug in. Way to go, Davidelit! Smilo Don (talk) 15:49, 21 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Lubang

Looking at your recent edits - I went over and pulled the gens out of the text and into my favourite aspect of articles - to look like a list :) SatuSuro 11:17, 23 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Heaven's Army

Thank you for issuing me with the problem but since the photos were made by an airforce official shouldn't there be a tamplate or licence for that i saw that somewhere...regardsHeaven's Army (talk) 07:11, 30 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oh i see i get u now....so now wat should i take them down or....???? --Heaven's Army (talk) 09:25, 30 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It is ashame to see them go but i agree you have to follow the law but then again laws are meant to be broken :P

Hey i'm just asking. Can i put up photos from the Indonesian air force website since u know its government and all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Heaven's Army (talk • contribs) 09:10, 14 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

damn it kk thought i could coz u know its a governemnt website and all...ah screw it next time i got to indo ill take the photos my self lol —Preceding unsigned comment added by Heaven's Army (talk • contribs) 10:58, 14 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

ok one more question lol sorry, anyways wat if the website has no copyright at the bottom am i free to use it?--Heaven's Army (talk) 12:03, 14 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hey again, i was thinking of this site http://www.jedsite.info/afv/bravo/btr-40_series/btr40-id/btr40id.html which isn't government but it has no copyright could i use the pics and lol thank u for ur comment--Heaven's Army (talk) 05:16, 15 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, i see it yep thanks again--Heaven's Army (talk) 05:34, 15 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hey i'm sorry i have to keep going to u for help lol ur probably pissed, ma'af, lol anyways i just wanna ask are we allowed to upload any file from flickr?--Heaven's Army (talk) 11:43, 15 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yea thats where i saw it in Commons, now we're in business that we can upload pics from there and thnx btw for all ur support lol ususally ill ask SatuSuro but his out fo a while--Heaven's Army (talk) 03:31, 17 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You're photo was quite helpful indeed :D BTW i wanted to ask about the airforce museum in jogja. i know its near the airport but where last time i went there i saw no museums lol maybe its just me. thanks. regardsHeaven's Army (talk) 05:42, 11 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm interesting next to the airport and i have never seen it lol how weird....and 1 o-clock is quite early especially be'coz it takes me about an hour and a bit to go to the airport from where i live....still i wanna see it. thanks again....oh and btw are u an aussie or an indo coz u confuse me lol —Preceding unsigned comment added by Heaven's Army (talk • contribs) 07:52, 11 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Damn it I didn't see the copyright notice bit anyways thanks for telling me i guess--Heaven's Army (talk) 23:24, 14 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nice i was actually about to make one myself but since ur doing it i have no need to do it--Heaven's Army (talk) 12:58, 15 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox Indonesian provinces

OK, thanks. Meursault2004 (talk) 22:58, 4 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Jakarta do's and undo's...

I really know how it feels like.....from experience! :) No probs. Have done the same sometimes.... Prashanthns (talk) 10:40, 21 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Jakarta

Hi Davidelit - sorry, I just reverted your most recent edit to this article as "vandalism", which I now see it's not - your edit had been to revert the most recent change by an anon vandal. Unfortunately in eliminating his witty and charming "all your base are belong to us" you reinstated an earlier piece of vandalism (the Monty Python quote in the infobox). I've got rid of both now (and reinstated the correct motto that the vandal had deleted) - sorry for the unintended slur against you in the edit summary! Gonzonoir (talk) 14:59, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

GS30...

I might be doing some adjusting to this article. Please keep an eye on it for me and change as you need. Essentially, I'm trimming a bit from Transition to the New Order and didn't want to lose anything. Although it has a longish list of refs, most isn't in-line cited. So, if I place anything in GS30 with a cite tag, feel free to cite it or delete it. cheers.

PS, love all the photos - more please. :-) --Merbabu (talk) 13:56, 28 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Further, there are some [citation needed] tags in Transition to the New Order. Do you have that info at hand? --Merbabu (talk) 14:33, 28 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that it would be good to keep you as free as possible to do your normal edits. DOn't get involved in the issue - rather, I will put some cite tags in and direct you specifically to them. Do what you can. :-) --Merbabu (talk) 03:30, 29 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your good work - mudah mudahan hari libur tak terlalu meganggu'ed by WP! - Btw I was having a diff over whether dutch actually influenced grammar (rather than vocab) over at the dutch empire arts this am - I would be very interested from your perspective as to whether it was even the slightest possibility that actual grammar - ie sentence structure and internal grammatic logic - might have been influenced by the interfering londho!? I argue from my experience of fieldwork 11 years ago that such a claim is - not poss - but from your perspective - am i wrong? If you go in Yogya to the DagAdu shop in Malioboro mall they play furiously on puns between dutch english javanese of all levels and indonesian - my feeling that such wordplay is with vocab and not specific grammatic structure - any comment would be appreciated - on wiki or off _ cheers SatuSuro 04:22, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you I owe you a carton of bintang (tehbotol maybe?) for an answer like that - hey if you are ever in Oz - let me know I'll follow up on that as certain as krakatoa will rise again. Ok the honorifics out of the way - exactly as you put it - very important that the WP Indonesia and th other WP are not misinformed by useless items that argue otherwise - hey enjoy your day - thanks SatuSuro 05:05, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OK you are on - if you ever come to perth (or me to Jakarta - I have a longstanding issue with LIPI but about that off line) ill make sure we have a meetup with some fellow perth eds - some of the finest in oz of course :) as for jalan kurang selamat - hati hati dan kalau mau berenang (!) ke oz - we have spare room here :( SatuSuro 05:21, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

My shout first three rounds at least [1] more good sense prevails - SatuSuro 09:18, 4 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Using JAWS

I've gone ahead and removed that link from the page. I didn't put it there originally ... I agree that it's quite a strange link to have in a page of general help for *all* editors. Graham87 07:31, 4 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

jakarta riot may 1998

yes, my english are poor but not mean my writer are false than your caould erase like that more right to me if you help me repair my articel okay.Daimond (talk) 08:43, 4 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

thank you to advice me sometimes i forgot that in wikipedia you can not repot the original situation with put the qoute from other resorces.Daimond (talk) 09:03, 4 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm

Expletives ommitted - one wonders - the airline thingo is fraught with possible hoax/fraud issues for a start - and the enthusiasm for lists which i noticed while living in yogya in an www free world in the early 90's suggest to me that the english challenged members of the wp indonesia indonesia will be thrilled and attracted to them like - well the metaphors are deleted as well - maybe there should be a separate project wp indonesia lists - it would probably be the largest wp on wikipedia (did i type all this?) oh boy lest i offend any further any later reader of this - it is true they love em - probably need to put a cap on the size and the number - merbabu will be apopplectic when he reads this - oh well out with the flak jacket and the teflon head gear nd the ear plugs - and change user name soon maybe :| SatuSuro 10:57, 4 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Kerajaan belanda

Hey there. There's debate about this map at Talk:Dutch Empire. While I suspect it is not totally inaccurate, it does look sloppy. Do you have any maps about such expansion of the Dutch territories in Indonesia? cheers. --Merbabu (talk) 14:29, 4 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The list

I'd rather exlain the issue of why and how it is a project mechanism off wiki if poss - thanks SatuSuro 11:18, 6 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Am in process of sending email SatuSuro 11:39, 6 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sri Sultan

Is the old problem of honorifics which good javanese like so muchy - would you agree to a change to the name of article to plain old HB for encyclopediac purposes? (we dont have sir or the hon in front of oz names - why do the javanese get away with their hangups?) - your creating the divert for HB' IXs various spellings - I would have thought a move to plain old HB would be much better - and leave the honorifics to within the article SatuSuro 08:33, 11 May 2008 (UTC) Fine - may try in a day or so - no realy big deal but its the creep - as things like that slip in (the HB's of earlier numbers have no such appelations in art titles) and the world is created in the eyes of the eds who put it it - and ignore wp:mos convetions. must tell you off wiki someday my relationship with Nyi Loro Kidul on that one and a magnificent piece of theatre with knowledgable javanese academics and my big mouth oz style - but not here - and later - cheers SatuSuro 08:45, 11 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Congratulations

To survive the country that long dont you get a medal or a long letter from immigrasi? SatuSuro 09:23, 12 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Photos - do you have a facebook/myspace presence (why i woulndt know why but) - one of my inlaws has tried to convince me as a way to share piccies - I am probably beginning to scan all my 85-96 indonesian photos into my computer in about 2 weeks - thought id like to share some easily - cheers SatuSuro 12:47, 12 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Box

Put reason for removal - which I agree with viz issues that arise at broad titles for articles and small components are pulled out to try to fit things. not on. thanks SatuSuro 08:43, 13 May 2008 (UTC) Hope I got it right :| SatuSuro 09:45, 13 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Afd

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Biggest_Indonesian_Philanthropists SatuSuro 06:29, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

RE: 203.20.245.254

If you notice active vandalism from the IP, please report it to WP:AIV. It is a school IP and was just recently unblocked, so continued vandalism from it will result in a longer block. - Rjd0060 (talk) 00:22, 26 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support

Your reversion was correct - well done - if you need any literal or moral support on that one you will get it! Eventually (sabar) the message will get through - cheers SatuSuro 10:50, 26 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Admitting

To owning books like that is tantamount to us now expecting informative cited articles that even WP ID does not have :) SatuSuro 13:15, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe you misunderstood? "Awakening"

Hmmm. Strange remark on the Indon National Awakening page. Did you not read thru the comments? There's a big diff between a page titled Renville Agreement and one titled an Awakening. "Renville Agreement" is something any party can use; ditto for Yalta or the Russian Revolution or what have you. An "Awakening" is itself the biased word applied to a very complex period of history. Surely you see the difference. And moreover, it's not a term which all people use--e.g. "The Renaissance" is a hugely ideological and problematic term, but we all know it, use it, and are (probably) stuck with it. "Indonesian Natinoal Awakening" has no such cache, reification, or convenience. Instead it purges and sculps a massive historical swath according to a very narrow nationalist theme. As I said before, this cultivation of "Indonesia," "Indonesians," and so forth is arguably the most important aspect of the history. But "awakening" is a very dicey term to use. I hope that makes more sense. Sorry if I didn't make my case more clearly before. Best, Smilo Don (talk) 04:48, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Quack quack

You have an email SatuSuro 02:44, 6 June 2008 (UTC) No fun to make fun of probs - trust its sorting out somehow - would be interested in what you might think of a new stub am working on - hope youre on for more than a few mins SatuSuro 04:25, 15 June 2008 (UTC) You might like to see hat i just did to the list of shopping malls :| SatuSuro 05:32, 15 June 2008 (UTC) Also the project notieboard needs squizz SatuSuro 05:39, 15 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Animal free zone

Good to see you on - hopes its a good sign SatuSuro 06:42, 22 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yup - good to see you back. Nice one. --Merbabu (talk) 21:28, 22 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah

The whole bahasa and bahasa language fiasco needs to be resolved by probably a different style approach to the problem of some phrases and expressions that may cause offense - not sure how to do it yet out of the range of POV issues - but might try to put an idea offline to you about it SatuSuro 13:18, 25 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As for cruft

Checkout my recent contribs - reviewing the trainwreck of the indonesian university articles, sigh :( SatuSuro 13:15, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

And my comments at the merge love in (crap) and the university list talk page SatuSuro 13:07, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Good

To see you round doing good work :) SatuSuro 02:44, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think its gonna be an uphill battle - we'll need to keep at it (red links in lists like that) SatuSuro 05:45, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Template

I have a friend who is a whiz with em will forward your info and see whethere he can help you later today SatuSuro 02:03, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Have alerted whom i think is good with templates (I could be wrong) but does not appear to be around at the moment - hope your template worries are not too fatal at this point in time - SatuSuro 14:21, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Template friend seems to be awol - did you still need help? SatuSuro 14:39, 22 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like you got it all sorted out! SatuSuro 15:59, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well done! now you have the historical elections to sort out (joking) SatuSuro 02:50, 26 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

spinning - reminds me of cycling on the yogya ring road in the middle of the night in the mid 90's :) - i do have a copy of the guide book to the election that never happened in 57 i think it was i must find it as it has all the pre 65/66 configurations that disspeared SatuSuro 03:58, 26 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

beware - check my contribs - i have gone javanese today !!! SatuSuro 06:09, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Let's agree to disagree and start afresh

It's none of your business what I edit, or comment, or discuss with other users. I ask you cease and desist from your prevalent invasions of my privacy, I request you respect the privacy of inter-user communications- as I do unto you, and furthermore I will be forced to inform admin of possible stalker activities if you elect not to abide this civil request. As we don't seem to have any problems, it strikes me odd you'd seemingly go out of your way to create them- you behave and I'll behave.Starstylers (talk) 09:55, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OK

The comment above leaves me speechless, as to your request look at my user page - we have a project that is untidy :) SatuSuro 05:31, 2 August 2008 (UTC) Referencing is wrong - hope you realise that I am a serious anti ext link n text and also a names in brackets editor - cheers SatuSuro 05:38, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Could you please give a once over of the newly created visit indonesia year stub i have started? thanks SatuSuro 13:04, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you - there is something odd in the last ref - I appreciate the extra stuff - its an essential item to understand. Also I cannot find anything on either Indonesian customs - or the official entry points in this english wikipedia - do you have any easy to get to info - or any leads? SatuSuro 12:37, 3 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I enjoy it - there are alos historical parties from the fifties i hope to dig up as well - more hard work - as for dust - i am sure the entry points thing is what has caused some international yachties great angst when they get to the wrong ports :( SatuSuro 12:40, 3 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

hati hati - taboo itu - just the wp indonesian english project - has neither an art on the customs issues (and yes i know its a nightmare) (if you look closely i did an art on parpostel from the new order era) or the issues of access to the country SatuSuro 12:48, 3 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

sorry four threads in head, theee on gmail and here i keep forgetting - cannot remember who put it there - it'd a bit aof a problem when theose sot of tags are there - how the hell do we determine that the issue has been resolved? if you feel happy its been fixed - take it out before it grows mould :) SatuSuro 12:55, 3 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

BTW - ideally - all indonesian langauage titles of those parties should be made as redirects- there is also the precuation so that there is no chance of accidental attempts by any linguistically challenged friends trying to do stubs when there are already arts - shall i? - SatuSuro 13:07, 3 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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ugh

We might have to deal with a spate of ethnic tensions - ah the way they all love each other :( - I am trying to get a discusssion happening at the main noticeboard - please help ! SatuSuro 09:19, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks - I just hope someone else turns up as well :( SatuSuro 14:01, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Rudolph Hess

Not great, is it? I will sort out a few sources and give it a go. --Anthony.bradbury^"talk" 17:18, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Dates

Who knows maybe http://stats.grok.se/en/ nobody saw it - we have minus quantity actually copyediting in the WP In project at the mo - so it is possible no one even visited the page - its a good tool you should give it a go SatuSuro 09:42, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Orphaned non-free media (Image:PPatriotLogo.png)

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Your stubs of 31st

Considering the standard and the information available - imho they are start status SatuSuro 02:44, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Just in case

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_free_indonesia - imho a speedy delete just showed up on my new art bot - SatuSuro 14:38, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I would

Be very interested either on or off wiki about the recent additions of non english list of ambassadors and the other arts with good piccies - suspect the old problem of the 'direct migrate from In wp' - watcha reckon? (my recent contribs you will see them) SatuSuro 14:03, 7 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think id defend against delete - what really bugged me is direct pinch from WP IN/ID with the language still intact and no attempt to make it into english :( _ as for the parties - any notability if its an indonesian party of any context - i would like to find my old book for all the really obscure candidates and parties from the 1950's SatuSuro 14:19, 7 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The first three mentioned - I'd like to see more details wherever possible - they need it - one liner Indonesian articles are beginning to bother me - surely there is more about them? - cheers im off SatuSuro 14:27, 7 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ahh priorities - I think you are in the right direction with what you are doing - keep it up - my edit history viewed over a month will show the level of my editing in relationship to chaos theory - thank god i will be taking a big break fairly soon :) SatuSuro 14:38, 7 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Using WP In as ref should be sufficient reason to suggest deletion unless a WP:RS is found ! SatuSuro 14:42, 7 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fly bys

One of the joys of the Ind prject is the dump and dissappear forever people - possibly another http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian_Logam_Mulia - classic :( SatuSuro 02:32, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Red links on Jakarta Monorail

Have you actually read WP:REDLINK? Here's what it says:

In general, red links should not be removed if they link to something that could plausibly sustain an article.

Should Semanggi, Kampung Melayu, MTrans have articles? Why, yes, they should. So stop reverting and go write them! Jpatokal (talk) 07:14, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Could you

Please help me with something? It might need some gmail rather than talk - short term turnaround issue please let me know if you have the time now please - at my talk and we can go from there SatuSuro 02:27, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Kalau bis lihat recont contribs says - ada orang dengan notoriety as partner of perempuan dari amerika serikat tinggal di solo - dan she hamil dari orang dari di dalam mangkunegara :) - at the time kedua orang menulis tentang java dan solo dengan perspicacity dan openeness not seen before or since - tetapi orang gila di usa mau mati artikel - saya harus mencari RS untuk repudiate narrow minded gits from the docks SatuSuro 02:34, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

cripes you have been busy ! SatuSuro 16:03, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

piccies look good - well done! - cheers SatuSuro 14:16, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Big favour

Could you look at my user page and look at Indonesian issues - would you be interested? I have over a month off fairly soon and curious if you were interested in doing an irregular spot the prod (2 at the mo) and afd and other candidates from the alex bot at least - if you would prefer please email me if the invective/ripeness of the response re the stuff issue is such :) - cheers SatuSuro 04:18, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

English use in Indonesian article + Barnstar

I saw the discussion here, and I strongly support the idea. I hope this continues to a vote to ultimately decide the date format used in Indonesian-related article. But there is problem: Indonesians (except me and some small number of people) uses American English, which means if this proporsal is agreed, then we will have British date format system and American spelling. To be honest, I'd rather have it entirely in British English than American English.

Also, I'd like to give you barnstar. It is kind of embarrasing that I, an Indonesian, have much smaller contribution than you in Indonesian topic. I got to admit that I now make more edits to political topic relating to your country (UK) than Indonesian-related topic combined.

		The WikiProject Indonesia Star
		Thank you for all your contribution to Indonesian-related article. Keep up the good work w_tanoto (talk) 20:03, 19 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

w_tanoto (talk) 20:03, 19 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well deserved! SatuSuro 12:57, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wikibreak

mine is coming up - why I have given up on lists for the mo? - something like this - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indovision - classic example of why the Indonesian project makes me despair at times - the red link ip numbers adding out of order irrelevent things to make red link lists even more gruesome - might speak to you on gmail before i go - but will be v low editing until i do SatuSuro 12:57, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Howdy

How you going? Long time no speak. I saw [ http://www.amazon.com/Pretext-Mass-Murder-September-Perspectives/dp/0299220346/ref=pd_sim_b_6 this] Some interesting books out there. You might just see me around a bit more now on WP. ciao for now --Merbabu (talk) 13:16, 8 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Muhammadiyah

Hey - I added a little about Muhammadiyah's role in 65/66 - could check my dodgy wording please? Please rephrase as you see fit. here Ie, I wanted to make the point that Muhammadiyah were linking "Gestapu" and PKI which wasn't necessarily the case - we gotta stay neutral. cheers --Merbabu (talk) 13:55, 8 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

BKR stuff

Thanks for the ref, I'll recheck my translation to see if I can remove some non-sense Serpicozaure (talk) 13:14, 8 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

DKJ

Hi David I have a sticky question, do you have anything on your bookshelf about Dewan Kesenian Jakarta ?? I'm curently starting a stub on it on french WP, especially try to figure out the nomination process at the beginning beetween DKJ and Akademi Jakarta ?? I've started Mochtar Lubis in French few month ago based on Henri Chambert-Loir, Mochtar Lubis, une vision de l'Indonésie contemporaine, École française d'Extrême-Orient, Paris, 1974,, which gave me some hint about it ( but I don't have this book under my elbow anymore although I could get it back for ) checking.Just in case you have something on it, thanks Serpicozaure (talk) 13:15, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Your Appreciate

Thanks for your attention of this case. Of course i will not forget about WP:NPOV. About that book, i have heard about it from its author in MetroTV in 2007, it contains a lot of information about anti-chinese riots and violecies in Indonesia, i will support you for that. By the way,i just found an article in this website (in Indonesian) which told about chronology of anti-chinese riot and violency in Indonesia from Indonesian indepencecy until 2001 in Sampit. Regards Calvin Ho Jiang Lim (talk) 17:17, 12 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It Is Your Choice

Well, i guess blog always seems like that. But, although it does not have any source of its datum, in that blog i got a lot of informations such as anti-chinese riot in Yogyakarta and so on that i have heard before from my history teacher in the school. By the way, did you have Anti-Chinese Violence in Indonesia, 1996-1999 book. Please give me information for that. Regards.  Calvin Ho Jiang Lim  ^Talk 05:30, 22 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I see that, we should spend about $28 for that book. I guess your skyline image in Medan is already good. I can see it well although i cannot see a lot of skyscrappers clearly on there. Regards  Calvin Ho Jiang Lim  ^Talk 05:30, 22 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Mottos and other things

Hi Davidelit. I hope this is the correct place to write as I am EXTREMELY confused about this form of disconnected communication. It would certainly be nicer if there were forums and messages instead of this....!

Thank you for your very kind comments to me. I wish I were of more use on Wikipedia but since most of what I know I cannot quote from a written source, I fear I'm kind of just wasting space. I guess I'd have to write a book and THEN I could quote the book. :)

As far as the thing about the riots in 1998, I'm not sure what I can do to help, but if you need my help, I'm here! ReveurGAM (talk) 05:53, 15 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for sorting things out with ReveurGAM. I was very busy. Salam! Meursault2004 (talk) 17:18, 18 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

About Jakarta Riots of May 1998

Hi Davidelit, did you already read the book that you had told to me days ago (Kerusuhan Mei 1998: Fakta, Data and Analisa)? How about its information about Jakarta riots of May 1998? Thanks.  Calvin Ho Jiang Lim  ^Talk 05:29, 22 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Partai Reformasi Tionghoa Indonesia (PARTI) - Interested in writing?

So over at WP:Requested articles/Social sciences someone put up a request for Partai Reformasi Tionghoa Indonesia (PARTI). I went to WP:WikiProject Political Parties and saw your name listed under Indonesia. So, I figured, maybe you'd be interested in writing the article. I can't find much on Google, but maybe you'll have better luck - if you want to take it up. Bsimmons666 (talk) ^Friend? 20:29, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

No problem. It was a vandal that I think was targeting to all of the Indonesian editors. Selamat tahun baru juga. ;-) Dekisugi (talk) 12:34, 4 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Well

Well, i did it because i've read one of the articles before, PKB if i'm not wrong. It was bolded by another wikipedian. So i into him/her to bold all of the articles. But thanks for your advice. I'll take it.  CHJL  ^Discuss 16:39, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

List of RCTI personallities

Could you please complete the nomination by putting your reason for deletion on the nomination page? Thanks, MrKIA11 (talk) 15:47, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It seems everything is fine now. MrKIA11 (talk) 17:30, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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List of programmes broadcast by TV ONE (Indonesia)

Ha. Don't worry about it. The correct location was Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of programmes broadcast by TV ONE (Indonesia), which I probably should have included in the edit summary. In the future, the easiest way to get the right page is by clicking the link that is shown on the article's page in the AFD template that is added by {{subst:afd1}}. Besides that, there were no problems. And I hope you don't think that I'm constantly watching you :-), I just periodically check the AFD page, and if there are mistakes I try to fix them myself. MrKIA11 (talk) 16:07, 23 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

DPR MPR Building

Hi Davidelit, thanks for your contributions on DPR MPR Building article. I hope in the next time we will share together for the constructive editing. Cheers! C H J L ^Discuss 15:48, 25 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, please read the sources and see on id wikipedia for the additional paragraph. C H J L ^Discuss 06:54, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, great offers from you! I will try as i can, and also i need your help to improve the articles. Cheers! C H J L ^Discuss 08:44, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Tempo Magazine

Hi; is there really a good reason why you could not yourself initiate creation of this article? --Anthony.bradbury^"talk" 12:14, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think that WP:COI applies. You do not own it, edit it or, for that matter, write it in greater part. But whatever you feel comfortable doing, ok.--Anthony.bradbury^"talk" 18:15, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

COI is a bloody horse that is bet on both ways - do it and the indonesian project will benefit - cripes I could throw some stuff offwiki that shows in my very early days of editing i created more gaffes of OR and COI than you could put a rule book against - but hey i see no one tracking me down :) SatuSuro 22:40, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hilight

Of the long evening - surely this needs framing asa pointless self reference loop that deserves to be in jakarta bay with all those rusting little bajas or whatever they were? -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sepeda_motor - or do we laugh. or cry? or ... SatuSuro 14:50, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oops I accidentally put a speedy on it - reverted self - but it is nonsense but cute - what a horrible dilemma SatuSuro 14:53, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It has sat there for almost 2 years, and its cute but yes it is a speedy i know - but hey the project has all these cute little odities that need to be weeded out ! SatuSuro 04:07, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Sepeda_motor#Sepeda_motor ok it is in :( SatuSuro 04:42, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Guruh S

Seems to be represented in so many ways in WP i think there are up to 7 diff ways so far - are you interested in helping start an art - I was sure there was one but cannot find it - sukarnoputri that is :) SatuSuro 13:03, 10 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Watcha reckon? SatuSuro 13:32, 10 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It seemed a big omission - and he is found under so many variant transcriptions in en wp it will take ages to fix up links :( - thank you for your generosity in doing it - cheers SatuSuro 13:37, 10 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you SatuSuro 14:22, 10 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

re:Guruh Sukarnoputra

de rien. C'etait un accident quand je l'ai trouve. (no probs. It was an accident when I found it) :) - sorry, I am lazy to use the "accents", so i did not put in any. w.tanoto-soegiri (talk) 08:47, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This is no accident -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Indonesia#Rulers_of_Indonesia

Your prognostications would be appreciated on the subject if you are able SatuSuro 04:40, 15 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Lucu sekali (Lala - hahah) thanks for your response - I can relate to the i'll get back - its all a bit much in one go :( SatuSuro 05:06, 15 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Reichstag Fire

This is one of a number of articles, most but not all associated with Nazi Germany, that are regularly attacked. For obvious reasons, I will not list the others here. When an attack becomes intense enough to threaten the integrity of the projest then we protect the page; in extreme cases permanently. This article does not at this time qualify for this option: this is the downside of the policy in wiki to allow anyone to edit. --Anthony.bradbury^"talk" 19:33, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Last edits of mine

Think I have found a two year untouched talk page and unwarned vanity art creator - marvels never cease :( SatuSuro 14:55, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Gila

Going very crazy after watching a surabayan do lots of copyvio and never respond to warnings - please confirm for me that BI and BNI are separate institutions - some bloody genius has put national bank of indonesia as a redirect to BI - which I reckon is wrong - please put me out of my misery as I am too lazy to do a googles search at this time of night (noticed you were on late a few nights ago as well) thank im outta here SatuSuro 14:46, 15 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Gila? Sabardangila? (thinking of that for new user name) watch http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:AlexNewArtBot/IndonesiaSearchResult for a week and you realise that there is one born every minute and they are indeed red link list creating nincompoops from surabaya just waiting to put another one over WP en just to see how long we can cope :) SatuSuro 00:21, 16 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

For me - when i first saw the following article I felt like the characters in Apocalypse Now with the choppers and heat seeking missiles - but it would be appreciated if you could possibly interpret what the poor little lovely is actually up to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Beach_Line - cheers SatuSuro 09:30, 16 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Could we please decide what do do with the above mentioned

SatuSuro 04:19, 22 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Have started some removal of ridiculous over linking and trying to think what to do with the remains - would appreciate if you had any interesting links to the damned inadequate road system that serves java as a whole SatuSuro 03:23, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ta SatuSuro 06:58, 29 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Damndeels and basteels - now i realise why the bloody thing should have been speedy deleted!!!!!!! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Post_Road dam blast bugger and a few other non wiki words!!!SatuSuro 07:41, 29 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Please the quicker the better - how bloody embarassing to have been through a daggy afd and forgettting this little gem - damned blast etc - lets do it on the spot! SatuSuro 07:45, 29 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I gotta get off for quite a few hours now - if you cannot/havent I will later - cheers SatuSuro 07:50, 29 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

My page

Thank you for reverting the twice repeated vandalism, which I in a critical frame of mind felt lacked originality. Although I have blocked him. --Anthony.bradbury^"talk" 21:10, 22 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ha ha - Communications 2009 style. So close, but strangely distance. --Merbabu (talk) 12:13, 29 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

And thanks again. That guy has now received an indefblock (not from me). --Anthony.bradbury^"talk" 11:27, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Indonesian legislative election, 2009

No problems. Gak apa2 :) Arkwatem (talk) 12:09, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oh is he not? I was asking about this map, an Indonesian province vector map. However in that image only borders and coastlines are represented as vectors, and not provinces. For example in this map, each US state is a vector (shape) and thus it is easier to colourise the provinces to represent some data, for example, election results (like this one). Arkwatem (talk) 06:22, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm I see. How did you colour the provinces? Paint bucket? It must have been tedious, since there are many islands here and there. Thanks! Arkwatem (talk) 07:25, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the tips :) now I'm ashamed to ask this since I'm Indonesian and you're apparently not, but are Indonesian provinces now the same as they were in 2004? Arkwatem (talk) 15:15, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

History, not popular culture

There's a well respected Australian journalist who gives his 'insights' into Indonesian history because he lived around Jakarta for a couple of decades. The problem is that he assumes popular attitudes were and will be the driving forces for RI decisions. Javaneses culture had little to do with Sukarno's motives before, during and after the Pacific war, and had little to do with collaborations between the military, Bechtel, Exxon, Freeport, NewMont, and the new political parties. Political and economic leaders make most decisions for their own interests, and not the public's; the public on the other hand are subject to the education and media publications they have experienced for ten or twenty years. It is Jarkarta which has shaped Indonesian beliefs and offical hisory, not the other way around.

There are serious academic publications outside of the US Jakarta sphere, but these are not popular with people who have been taught to believe the approved history. Try Penders and Bernhard Dahm as examples; or better yet, read through the newspapers and other periodicals being published at the time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.106.228.67 (talk) 00:16, 20 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Curious

Have you looked at the gamelan creep issue? and have an opinion? I would be interested - probably better off-wiki though :( SatuSuro 04:54, 25 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Cultural Stuff

Thanks for the note on my user page. I'm very interested in collaborating with you on cultural stuff to expand knowledge and understanding of Indonesia. See my recent addition to the WP entry for rock-paper-scissors. Martindo (talk) 04:21, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

aarrgghh

its a damned junbgle out there - looking forward to a beer/water/kopi/tehbotol with you in the next year or so somewhere to share agony stories about annyoing edit issues that set the teeth on edge SatuSuro 14:56, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

nothing deleted

I believe nothing is deleted. no worries. Also, what do you think of adding 4th, 5th and 6th party? (I did not add it as I felt that it's too overcrowded, but I am neutral of this topic if someone added it) w.tanoto-soegiri (talk) 18:21, 9 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Lucky. In here, I can only access TVOne with very low quality. I believe you used to say that our positions are opposite of each other. I am Indonesian in UK, and you are British in Indonesia. Well, UK will have election soon on 4 June 2009 - normally I don't sleep, just like last year's local election. About the 4th, 5th and 6th place, I did try to add it, but it seems complicated. We have to decide the colour of the party, etc. Something that I can't be bothered to add unless those parties are really big and important. Besides, I don't know what to fill to "Leader Since" section. Anyway, nighty night. w.tanoto-soegiri (talk) 19:22, 9 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Happy Birthday!

Happy Wiki-birthday! It's been 3 years today since you started editing Wikipedia. Time flies fast, doesn't it? I hope you have many enjoyable years to come. – Quadell ^(talk) 01:42, 14 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

And a happy birthday from me as well! Keep up the good work, rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 01:56, 14 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Indonesian legislative election, 2009

Hello! Thanks for the comment. I was following the model of United States presidential election, 2008 when I added the election day section. However, seeing as there was nothing much to report, that section is probably unnecessary now. Perhaps we can just add the bit about KPU taking an official time period to count the vote results and would not announce the official tally until 9 May. This will give a nicer chronological flow to the article. Arsonal (talk) 18:22, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

SBY-Berbudi / SBY-Boediono

I noted that you revert an edit by someone using IP address. I think what the user meant is this: [2]. Unfortunately I currently am not in Indonesia, so I don't know the local trend. So, forgive me if I am wrong on this one. I can only rely on Kompas.com or Detik.com. --w.tanoto-soegiri (talk) 09:25, 26 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Your presence

At the project noticeboard would be appreciated SatuSuro 23:24, 4 June 2009 (UTC) Kalau bisa memeriksa gmail saya - maaf kalau saya merganggu SatuSuro 02:59, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Poverty a defining feature of Indonesia?

Hello Davidlit, user:Caniago seems to enjoy his statement that "poverty is a defining feature of Indonesia". I have been trying to explain that : 1) It is useless to oppose natural resources and poverty, since there is no example of economic succes based on natural resources and 2) Indonesia is categorised by the World Bank as a "lower middle income country", the UNDP ranks the country 109th in terms of HDI and the CIA World Factbook says that it has a Gini index of 34, meaning a much less unequal wealth distribution that for instance the US. But Caniago keeps on undoing my efforts. Since you have the same position, I will stop squabbling about Indonesia. After all, the facts are there (I do research on the country, which I visit every year), so if Wikipedia doesn't want to take these facts into account I won't insist :-). Have a nice day, Djoehana (talk) 10:29, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

contact me

Email me : Would like to discuss various issues in advance of editing Indo politics, etc. I assume you're still in local time zone. Kindly delete this section after reading, so that my address is not kept public. Trims. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Martindo (talk • contribs) 05:51, 19 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Translations

Hi there; given that you may have little spare time at the moment, if you do have any would you care to add WP:PNT to your watchlist? There are usually a few pages there written in Indonesian which need a native English speaker to translate them properly. --Anthony.bradbury^"talk" 11:04, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Supersemar

Hi Davidelit! I wanted to let you know that I have found a scan of the other version of Supersemar. It is uploaded in the Commons. Cheers! Arsonal (talk) 08:57, 26 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'll see if I can find out for you. Cornell's library is pretty comprehensive, and maybe it has this version in some of the official government publications. It also has 30 Tahun Indonesia Merdeka so I can verify that it is different. I've been meaning to go back there anyway. Cheers! Arsonal (talk) 14:34, 26 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Jealousy in the supreme - cornell library crawling is not on my itinerary, unfortunately I'll be passing by amtrak train sometime in late august but cannot afford the stop time or money wise :( SatuSuro 15:38, 26 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well let me know if you need me to look up anything. I'm more than willing to help while I'm still here. :) Arsonal (talk) 16:05, 26 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, thanks for the offer. Anything you come across on the 1959 dismissal of Suharto as Pangdam Diponegoro, the 1957 local election results (in which the PKI did very well) or the 1st October 1965 edition of Harian Rakyat (with the pro-G30S cartoon) would really be of service to Wikipedia. And of course, if you discover the original of the Supersemar :-D Hope you don't regret your very generous offer... Davidelit (talk) 16:37, 26 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'll see what I can do about the other requests. Do you have specific sources I could possibly try to find? I found a Supersemar copy released by the Ministry of Information on 28 March. This text is also slightly different. I'll send you a copy later. I'm thinking the scan I uploaded previously was another copy made later during the Suharto era. I'm gonna have to check if I'm able to get another copy of the document because some of it is in the Annex and non-circulating. So many versions floating around! Also, I'm wondering if you have the Pambudi book referenced in the Supersemar article? Arsonal (talk) 17:53, 26 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

A gift

Ask and you shall receive: [3]. (Sorry for the large file size, 43 MiB.) Included are photos of:

• Supersemar as released by the Ministry of Information on 28 March 1966. These are only two pages of a booklet that contains other official documents that followed up on Supersemar, mostly authorized by Suharto, including the arrest list of 15 ministers and the names for the Second Revised Dwikora Cabinet.
• Communist Party of Indonesia data for the 1957 local elections and related information from:

• Hindley, Donald (1964), The Communist Party of Indonesia, 1951–1963, Berkeley, CA: University of California Press, pp. 222–229, 263–266, OCLC 264434.
• van der Kroef, Justin M. (1965), The Communist Party of Indonesia: Its History, Program, and Tactics, Vancouver: University of British Columbia, pp. 91–93, OCLC 1059066.

I have found the call numbers for a microfiche archive of Harian Rakjat. I will look at these next time to see if I can find what you want. Cheers! Arsonal (talk) 05:29, 27 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

So apparently the (Friday) 1 October 1965 issue of Harian Rakjat has nothing on G30S. I suppose news didn't travel that fast back then, so everything about G30S is on the (Saturday) 2 October issue. I scanned you the entire front page (with several parts blown up) in a PDF here. I'm not sure if those were the cartoon images you were talking about because I found no cartoons on the 1 October issue. These cartoons are published weekly on Saturdays to summarize events from the previous week (Sunday – Saturday). The notes on the collection says Harian Rakjat was banned on 16 July 1959 (if you didn't know that already). Enjoy! Arsonal (talk) 20:22, 28 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

G'day

I'll try emailing before I leave - I have foolishly jumped into a few issues on the project noticeboard and other places - there is so little time before I go its ridiculous - cheers SatuSuro 13:05, 11 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Suharto

Did the GS30 take over the Palace? Ricklefs uses the term "commanded" which is inappropriate according to our esteemed GA reviewer, and another source I have says "take over". I thought the insurgents didn't actually enter. PS - a photo would be great. Your mission, should you choose to accept it... --Merbabu (talk) 16:07, 16 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

re spelling - most of my sources use English/Aust spelling and these are now the majority of the article's cites. It just grated me that the article was in one language and the sources in another. --Merbabu (talk) 16:13, 16 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

OK - I've now added a rather convoluted explanation of what was occupied, etc. DO you think it is correct? Do you think it could be better worded - feel free. --Merbabu (talk) 16:23, 16 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'd like to get this article ultimately to FA. What do you think it needs? Is it kind of in the correct direction? --Merbabu (talk) 16:31, 16 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

TB

Hello, Davidelit. You have new messages at Soman's talk page.
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Help with PBI article

Do you speak Indonesian? I posted a query at Wikipedia:RDL#Indonesian_assistance. --Soman (talk) 15:21, 17 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Edits to Kopassus

Resolved

 – Starstylers BLOCKED per conditional parole as stipulated in his own archive, and its about time!

Your feeble NGO Leftist drivel is being reverted. You will kindly respect a native of the country's position on their own history as far more valid and holding greater weight than your own marginally educated and highly biased pro-Australian view. Neo-colonialism and smug moral superiority masquerading as freedom of speech" or "balanced reportage" remain equally ugly. I suggest you keep your op-ed Leftist (uncorroborated by any peer-reviewed document or reputable organisation) moralising to yourself. Please do not patronise nor condescend me nor my nation again.Starstylers (talk) 18:08, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Copy edit...

Here's one you might enjoy getting your copy editing teeth into People's Democratic Party (Indonesia). Switch to anti-POV mode. :-) --Merbabu (talk) 05:04, 22 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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--Soman (talk) 13:33, 8 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

My edit...

was not vandalism, but removed anti-atheist POV. The two words ("still-existing") that I removed suggested that atheists are somehow expected/supposed/scheduled to disappear in Indonesia).--130.237.199.85 (talk) 13:48, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Unusually I find myself disagreeing with David on this one. But have I missed something? Although the anon editor could have provided a better edit summary. --Merbabu (talk) 13:53, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I stand corrected. I removed it entirely on the strength of the edit summary. Davidelit (talk) 14:22, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I'm glad that this wasn't about bad faith on anybody's part. I know that in this imperfect world of ours, it's a bad idea to write ironic edit summaries and edit as an IP at the same time, but sometimes I'm too irritated to help it.--130.237.199.85 (talk) 14:34, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Returning to your original point - atheists are most certainly supposed to have disappeared in the late 1960s when being an atheist meant being a communist. This, together with the fact that all Indonesians are expected to follow one of the six authorized religions and that religious faith is a precondition for many jobs, arguably justifies the "still existing" in the article. I've been here 13 years now, and I've only met one. And he's already left the country! Davidelit (talk) 14:44, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This issue belongs in the article Religion in Indonesia, and if you do have a reliable source about the dynamics of the atheist population in Indonesia during the 20th century, then such info would be very valuable in that article (ditto for communists, though this would belong in Politics of Indonesia). Even in these articles, implying the future disappearance of these groups without a reliable source making that precition explicitly would be OR and highly POV: declining numbers is one thing and disappearance is another. And given the conditions that both you and the article describe, it would only be possible to discuss the number of open or self-professed atheists.

But back to the point - in the article that I edited, the context of the sentence was the argument that obligatory monotheism in the Constitution violates the human rights (freedom of conscience) of atheists. The exact number and the way it has changed through the century is completely irrelevant for the legitimacy of that argument. Worse still, adding such claims in this specific context actually implies that it is somehow OK to violate the rights of atheists, because there are so few of them and they'll soon disappear completely anyway.--130.237.199.85 (talk) 16:43, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't disagree with any of your points, and have not re-reverted your change. Incidentally the Constitution of Indonesia only guarantees the right to have a religious belief, not to not have any. Davidelit (talk) 16:52, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Suharto

I re-did the resignation section. Could you please cast your eyes over it? It could handle a few more details. What do you think?

ON a related note, I moved three whole paragraphs about the 1996 PDI drama into the section above. 3 paragraphs on an article about Suharto's life is a little excessive in my opinion. --Merbabu (talk) 01:46, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Apparently, someone forgot about keeping it simple! Such is the virtue of clarity, and the air around here is so fresh these days that my eyebrows are no longer locked in mock anguish. =) Cheers! --Dave1185 (talk) 06:29, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

re: Vandalism

Left a reply to the message you left on my talk page. NeoChaosX (talk, edits) 07:34, 24 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm also familiar with the vandal you're chasing. I've also left a message at NeoChaosX's talk page so you will know about my thoughts and experience with the guy (and also not to retype anymore here what I already said there). - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 11:32, 24 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding your message on my talk page: You're welcome. By the way, since the 202.70.61.x range will be automatically unblocked a few minutes from now (MuZemike did the block on 202.70.61.128/27 a week ago as an immediate action to my report on the vandal), I'm sure the vandal will show up on that range once again. So let's keep our eyes open. - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 16:53, 24 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

BIT move help request

Ok what I did was;

• delete Institut Teknologi Bandung inc talk page these only had the edit history of the move and redirect creation.
• then moved Bandung Institute of Tecnology to Institut Teknologi Bandung including talk page.
• then made Institut Teknologi Bandung and talk page redirects to Bandung Institute of Technology preserving the edit history. Gnangarra 10:49, 24 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

rorz

[4] --Merbabu (talk) 04:06, 27 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I just thought the error was funny. lol => ror. --Merbabu (talk) 04:21, 27 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

:-) I couldn't help myself. It's driving me nuts. Every few days. --Merbabu (talk) 05:12, 27 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Re: TVRI

Bad news: Your request for page protection (WP:RFPP) on TVRI was declined. The admin who declined it will still watch the article though. - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 10:54, 8 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

re:talkpage

Hello, I think it's here. It seemed to work when I tried it. Bob talk 19:53, 21 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

PKI 1957 and political parties

Hey David. I found some more data about PKI's performance in the 1957 local elections (though this one focuses on Java). This is in Robert Cribb's Historical Atlas of Indonesia, which has pretty nice charts and maps for many things. Also, I noticed you were the one who created {{Infobox Indonesian political party}}. Would it be possible to add a parameter for a party's dissolution to use in articles like Indonesian Democratic Party? Arsonal (talk) 05:19, 5 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Garuda Indonesia edit

This is a fact. It's still a good thing you rollbacked the edit, but remember; I have reverted the rollback, and I wish you to prevent any more rollbacks with that edit, since I am still trying to find a link to the fact itself. I will not consider this as a violation of WP:OWN. _{Boeing7107isdelicious|SPRiCh miT meineN PiloteN} 08:24, 8 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Re:Garuda Indonesia

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I see that you come from Indonesia, but are you of Indonesian ancestry, and that you are born in Indonesia? _{Boeing7107isdelicious|SPRiCh miT meineN PiloteN} 14:12, 8 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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