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What education is required to read newspapers?

I was looking at the Teahouse archives (yes, I'm way behind) and saw your comment that newspaper articles were written at for sixth-graders. I don't know where you got that, but I have access to NewsBank through a local library. I interpret what is shown with each article as indicating the education level required to read the article. Most of them seem to be for high school graduates.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 22:32, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

@Vchimpanzee: I heard this decades ago from what I thought at the time was a reliable source. It may no longer be true. From my own reading of newspapers, I think--as you mentioned--it depends on which paper or which author or article. I'm guessing the number I got was for more ordinary mainstream local papers in various cities, but not prestigious publications like the Wall Street Journal, New York Times, or other periodicals. If I have time, I might look into it.--David Tornheim (talk) 05:27, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

I'm not talking about prestigious newspapers. NewsBank shows, for example, for this article "Lexile: 1470, grade level(s): >12". I thought I had seen something specific about the education required. If you can access that without a subscription, I assume that's the same article I read, but I'm not taking chances with running out of free articles.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 16:02, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

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Hello! After reviewing previous discussions, I saw that you were previously involved in Operation Gideon (2020) and don't think you have been notified of any of the recent discussions. If you are interested, feel free to take a look talk page to see how we have been improving the article and working on a new title. Any input would be greatly appreciated! WMrapids (talk) 02:03, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

WMrapids Thanks for the ping. Sorry I have not gotten back to you sooner. I don't have much time for Wikipedia editing right now, and no way I can jump into the hornets' nest of those articles right now. I appreciate the work you are doing and wish you luck in making them NPOV and keeping in the sourced material that is being inappropriately deleted. I did see the recent AN/I that got closed without action. Nice effort. Please don't get discouraged. If I had to give one piece of advice for all the time I have spent on articles like that: Always focus most on RS both in supplying it and insisting on it. No one can ever attack you for that. I think you are doing that. So much discussion I have seen on Wikipedia on talk pages tend to end up with editors saying that other editors did something wrong. Such accusations often just escalate rather than being resolved. when it comes to AN/I, simple diffs are best. Long paragraphs will tend to be ignored. --David Tornheim (talk) 17:14, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your advice and your reply. As I said in the ANI, it was clear civil POV pushing. With such subtle edits, I felt like all of the context had to be provided since the numerous problems being observed and addressed were more important than a successful sanction. Hopefully things are more calm moving forward, but if there are future issues with other users or myself, a history of such behavior has now been documented in that report. WMrapids (talk) 05:35, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

WMrapids If you or Ultranuevo do feel the need to go to AN/I again, I suggest you spend some time looking at successful and unsuccessful posts there. It is always the diffs that make the case. I believe the senior editors who read the narratives at AN/I know there are two sides to every story, so they will assume the narrative posted is probably one-sided. The diffs, on the other-hand, are indisputable and are easy to identify and look at. If the diffs look bad, you have a case. Also, always make sure to provide simple diffs showing the editor was warned. Make multiple strong warnings before bringing someone to AN/I, and if you do go, show diffs for each of the warnings. This is one example of my successful AN/I in that area: [1]. I have plenty of experience with posting unsuccessful AN/I's.  :)

Also, establishing another editor is POV-pushing is difficult. Editors at AN/I are unlikely to know the subject articles and its RS. It is unreasonable (or at minimum unrealistic) to expect editors who have not participated in the subject to read all the RS to understand if there is bias. Edit-warring, acting against consensus, or name-calling are accusations that are more easily proven. --David Tornheim (talk) 13:32, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

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Recent canvassing

Hi. I could not help but notice that in the recent President of Venezuela article dispute, and others, you have notified several editors that have not edited the article or the talk page in a long time, without including all of the sides involved. Here[2], you wrote to C.J. Griffin in their talk page, claiming to ask about a problem restoring their edit. In this edit([3]) you pinged 25stargeneral. If that wasn't enough, in a message in my talk page[4] you pinged WMrapids, Ultranuevo, Chipmunkdavis, Blindlynx and SOUTHCOM, essentially all editors I have had content dispute with in the last months but totally unrelated to the article in question, in most cases, all of this after WMrapids left you a message above just a few weeks ago.

This is not the first time that this has happened, and you have been warned several times that further canvassing may lead to a block (#Formal warning for canvassing), so I kindly ask you to beware of this pattern in the future. Best wishes, NoonIcarus (talk) 13:21, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Archiving

Hello friend. Would you like some help setting up auto archiving for your 382 user talk page sections? I'm happy to help. –Novem Linguae (talk) 18:57, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

@Novem Linguae: Yes, please. Thank you for offering! I have been meaning to ask others for the last couple of years! --David Tornheim (talk) 19:11, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

I added some code that should summon a bot within 24 hours, and will keep the most recent 40 sections on the page indefinitely. Hope that helps. Happy editing. –Novem Linguae (talk) 19:52, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

@Novem Linguae: Thank you. Where did you add the code? I looked in your contribs and don't see it there. Can you send me a link to the archiver that will be used, where I might be able to adjust the settings?

I had planned to use one of the typical archivers used by most editors on their talk pages and on the article talk pages. I believe it is the lowercase sigmabot III. I probably started reading the documentation and my eyes glazed over. There is also a "one-click archiver." I would like to be able to use that one too.

The reason I waited so long for archiving is for full transparency. I want others to know that I don't delete and hide warnings. --David Tornheim (talk) 00:20, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

I added the code at the top of this user talk page. Here's the config diff you're looking for. It's a variation of the code found at Help:Archiving a talk page#Sequentially numbered archives. I set you up to use Lowercase sigmabot III. One Click Archiver will also work with this setup, although I'd recommend letting the bot do its first run before using One Click Archiver. I like transparency on user talk pages, so that's a good thing to strive for :) –Novem Linguae (talk) 00:45, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

Archiving complete. Ah, more breathing room already.

If you no longer use the feedback request service, that might be good to turn off, to reduce talk page spam. –Novem Linguae (talk) 00:00, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

@Novem Linguae: Yes. Much better. Thanks. I have thought about reducing the feedback service. Mostly I just didn't have time for Wikipedia for last year or so, but now I will probably start looking at those posts.

And FYI. I think there is a problem with the way the code is written for the service. I believe I looked carefully at it and discussed with the author, who was indignant about changing it.

The problem--as I remember it--is that it is not even close to random: The likelihood of getting a notice has much to do with what day of the month the RfC is filed. I think the later in the month you file, the less likely random editors will get notice. To me that's just a bug. I don't know if you are a coder or not. I could try and dig it up. I really would like it to be changed, but doubt I have the time to make a change and support it. That's why I just left the code as is "under protest." --David Tornheim (talk) 00:35, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

I am a coder, but bots tend to have one owner/maintainer, so if they said no, the decision is probably final. I agree that that sounds like a bug though. –Novem Linguae (talk) 01:01, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

RSN

See WP:RSN#Rudolf Steiner and Anthroposophy. tgeorgescu (talk) 06:00, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

I saw it. Thanks. --David Tornheim (talk) 06:01, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

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Toolforge account

@Novem Linguae: You had asked me to create a Toolforge account. I went to the link you provided. Is this the correct place to apply? They mention "member", "maintainer", "admin" and "developer". It's not clear to me if these terms are all equivalent or whether there are different levels of access and different ways to apply to each. I want to be sure I apply to the correct level of access.
If you would like me to spend more time reading the documentation before asking questions like this, please let me know which pages to focus on first. I will read up on jobs framework as you requested. --David Tornheim (talk) 00:40, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

I think you'll probably want to create an LDAP account, then request Toolforge membership. –Novem Linguae (talk) 01:34, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

After that, let's do the abandoned tool procedure by filing this ticket on Phab. I'd suggest that you file it and put both our usernames so we both get access. –Novem Linguae (talk) 01:48, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

@Novem Linguae: As you can see in the next section below, that Yapperbot is running again. It started with this activity at 6:00, 21 February 2024. Is that your doing? --David Tornheim (talk) 08:30, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

Nope. And Naypta hasn't edited recently. It must be the toolforge people undisabling the bot for some reason? –Novem Linguae (talk) 15:42, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

@Novem Linguae: I will continue with our plan. It sounds like the urgency is less now. --David Tornheim (talk) 17:07, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

 Done LDAP account created. --David Tornheim (talk) 17:20, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

 Done Toolforge membership request submitted. --David Tornheim (talk) 23:23, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

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