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Not sure what you're trying to accomplish here by undoing my reversions on Rick Wakeman. Go look at the original editor's contribution history, you'll see edits like this, this and this. Do these look right to you? Sure seems to me like the editor doesn't have a working grasp of how proper names containing the word "The" should be capitalized. Warren-talk-02:46, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
Hi Warren, To put it bluntly Joe's a lot more knowledgable when it comes to grammar etc which is why I took their word on it (My main reason for reverting was because of the rollback misuse although I did believe he was correct), Anyway to answer your question nope they don't look right but then again as I said grammar and all that isn't exactly my forte, Well by all means revert me I shan't revert again anyway, Thanks, –Davey2010Merry Xmas / Happy New Year03:01, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
Hi Samee, No worries, i was going to archive the entire talkpage and then ended up being busy with other things!, Thanks for your message, Happy (belated) New Year! :), –Davey2010Talk22:05, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
Hi, Unfortunately I have no idea who Luke Shen-Tien and it's probably not a great idea to try and get editors help, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk12:25, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
I'm not sure how involved you are in EE editing, but it's been decided to use publicity photos from now on. AnemoneProjectors knows about it as they've done some too. Grangehilllover (talk) 22:30, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
Hi Grangehilllover, Looking at a few random characters a good majority use face shots as opposed to the whole image, I fyou wanna upload as an indiviual image and add it the article then by all means please do, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk22:46, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
Hi, Please read WP:COI, You shouldn't edit companies that you work for so as such you should go to the talkpage and ask for the edits to be added (and if they're fine myself or another editor will add it for you), Thanks, –Davey2010Talk23:00, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
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Hello Davey - just posting to say a belated thank you for the Christmas greeting! I was on a wikibreak and did not initially see it. Best wishes for a happy 2018! All the best, Patient Zerotalk13:05, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
Hi Patient Zero, I'm so sorry I had no idea you had left a message here .... I'm not sure how I never noticed your name when reverting back but anyway I'm so sorry!,
Look, Davey Boy, don't come to my talk with patronising little headers and warning markers.
The issue at hand: other radio stations and television network articles present who is the controller or director of programming on their page. The example I have given you is the BBC Radio One article. Same with the general programming. Apparently this was in the article before you deleted it last time. So apparently it is a you issue and your personal preferences, not a layout or format issue.
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FYI since you recently reverted at Donald Trump. That article is under the consensus required provision, and the edit you restored seems to have been challenged. From what I can tell, there hasn't been much discussion on the talk page since it was challenged, so it is best under those sanctions to wait until there is a clear consensus for inclusion before restoring. Also, standard "this template is scary but I actually am assuming good faith and letting you know because we have to use this template" notice :) TonyBallioni (talk) 17:04, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
Hi TonyBallioni, I don't see the issue with having that article on his article tho ?, The article is adequately sourced and (IMHO) worded in a neutral way so I don't see the issue but thanks for all of the DS notifications :), –Davey2010Talk17:08, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
I don't particularly have any concerns with the edit (I'm not involved on Trump issues, and I stay clear when I can of AP2 content), I was just alerting you that Trump was under the consensus required provision. Anyway, hope you're doing well. TonyBallioni (talk) 17:10, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
Alright Davey how you doing? I hope 2018 is a bloody good year for you and yours. I'm sorry I didn't get back to your kind new year greeting, but I had a highly shitty Christmas and NY. A lot of RL crap which kept me off line, and if I would have been on, I may well have ended up playing death by admin, I was that self-destructive and pissed off. We will see if things improve..Anyway, just thought I would touch base. Be seeing you. Si. Irondome (talk) 23:35, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
Hi Si, Ah sorry to hear that :(, Well I hope you have a happy and healthy new year, Well I truly do hope things improve for you - Unfortunately life has its ups and downs but we have to try and somehow get through it all :(, Anyway I hope it all improves and I truly do hope you have a very Happy New Year, –Davey2010Talk14:50, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
Hi PamD, Unfortunately the greeting has caused various issues with various people ..... and unfortunately I've sent the greeting to well over 200 editors .... so even if I fixed the spacing issues there's still going to be other issues with it anyway,
The most frustrating thing is that I checked for issues on other devices before rolling it all out but there we are, Apologies for the unintentional issues, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk14:47, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
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Hello Davey2010,
I am wondering why you reverted my edits on Lincoln Transport Hub. I took a lot of time conducting these edits, using the most recent information available from bot news and official sources (from the council).
If the revert was due to inadequate referencing then let me know and I will find my sources and update them if I the article can be reverted to my revision.
(Also apologies if I should have posted this on the article's talk page)
Thanks --Jordan8396.ja (talk) 11:04, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
Thanks and thank you for your contributions and hard work here too :), Tbh London's the last place I want to visit!, What with the terrorism and stabbings there. –Davey2010Talk13:11, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
Secondly, the bobbies in London are kick-ass and tough, along with all law enforcement personnel in the UK. I would move to London if I could, but for a US citizen to do so is a huge hassle! Have to get a job first, then document it, and then move back to the US, and then move back after being "approved" by the government there. That is unless one is rich from the start, then there's no problems; like Madonna. North America100013:38, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
London's been a bad place way before the terrorists, There's a lot of gang related crimes up there and like I said a lot of stabbings too,
Haha I agree the police up there are ace!, Wow good god that is a lot of hassle!, Personally I would say London isn't what it's cracked up to be, Sure it has beautiful landmarks but for me personally it's not the place it used to be –Davey2010Talk14:05, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for your perspective. Seems to me that it's all about one's income; if one is wealthy, one can avoid that type of riff raff, staying in fancy hotels and eating at fine dining restaurants, etc. For the majority of people, seems like they have to deal with the problems there when they occur. North America100001:45, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
That is true but I suppose really it's the same everywhere - The wealthier you are the less you see this sort of stuff, Ah well thanks for popping by :), Happy editnig :), –Davey2010Talk13:09, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
Please note that, when using screenshots of Wikipedia, you need to declare this in the source. Wikipedia content isn't free to use without restrictions - you need to give proper attribution to its authors; linking back to the original page is good enough for this purpose, but you actually need to do this. עוד מישהוOd Mishehu09:24, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
I'm not going to be pedantic as to link to every single page that I scerenshot - I add the "Wikipedia licence" after upload which is enough. –Davey2010Talk14:32, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
Except that use of Wikipedia content, without giving proper attribution to the author(s) of the content, is a copyright violation. This applies to all copyrightable content, in all formats - including screenshot format. As stated below the edit box, all contributors agree that a hyperlink to the page is good enough to meet this requirement, but a simple "Wikipedia licence" isn't. עוד מישהוOd Mishehu15:20, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
9 times out of 10 I state in the description where the image was taken which again I believe to be enough, Thanks for your comments. –Davey2010Talk15:27, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
FWIW I've always thought "Own work" meant as in I took the image or screenshotted it, Probably wrong but anyway the screenshot(s) don't appear under any "Own work" category - They all come under the WP licence categories so I don't really see a problem buy hey ho, Anyway SN thanks for popping by :) –Davey2010Talk15:36, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
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Delete per POLEMIC probably would have sufficed, without needing to tack on also you're a big dummy, stupid face, dumb dumb. I mean, things are already pretty heated on all fronts. Not sure that bit is really helping anybody any. Just a thought. GMGtalk11:14, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
The edit summary was uncalled for Davey. I appreciate emotions are running high here, for everyone, but all of this is just escalating everything unnecessarily - TNT❤11:36, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
Hi There'sNoTime, First off my apologies for that, I will say in my defense however I'd only just woken up so as you can imagine when I saw 2 pings and then saw his edit notice which says "I'm banned from his talkpage" I'm sure you can imagine it didn't go down very well with me ..... But I do agree some things shouldn't be said and that was one of those things so I apologise for that, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk13:41, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
Hi, just a note that you might want to avoid closes like this one. No matter how hopeless the proposal might seem, it's usually not a good idea to rush and close it only an hour after it's started, and especially not if you've already !voted in it – as this creates the perception of unfairness. Also, if such a close is reverted, it's usually a good idea to leave it to somebody else. If it is really an obvious case then someone will close it to the same effect sooner rather than later. Thanks! – Uanfala (talk)00:40, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
Hi, My !vote had nothing to do with the close, An editor disagreed with the RM close (done by soneone else), 2 editors stated no the RM close was correct so I figured it'd make since If I closed that whole discussion ..... So there was nothing wrong with that close, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk01:06, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
When you say "the old logo remains regardless" what is that meant to mean? Arriva now use the new logo as of 01/01/2018? Only the new logo is on their website?? Nightfury13:46, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
Hi Nightfury, Hope all is well, Ah sorry I meant as in the logo should be kept under the infobox which I'll do now :), Thanks, –Davey2010Talk13:52, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
Hi Davey. As a reconciliation gesture regarding our run-in at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/JGSP Novi Sad, please accept this crunchy tasty WikiCookie. In my defense, while I usually do assume good faith, I hardly could have imagined that you mistyped two fucking letters, and I did say "apparent failure". No such user (talk) 14:35, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
Hi No such user, First off I apologise for that comment it wasn't actually directed at you I simply pissed off with AW!, You (and he) were more than correct in saying what you did so I've redacted most of my reply, As for the paste thing yeah not sure why but I somehow missed off 2 letters and didn't bloody realise!
Lesson learnt for me should be more careful in future! but anyway apologies for that outburst and thanks for the cookie! :)
Hi Pawnkingthree, Technically I shouldn't however the delete !vote was moot and they didn't actually explain why it should be deleted - They just put "per nom" so in that respect it's just a useless comment (You can put "per nom" but generally it's preferred if you expanded on that), As I fluffed the search up myself it was an obvious keep and I didn't see the point in keeping it open just for the sake of policy but that being said I take your comments on board and hopefully all of this won't be repeated!, Have a nice day :), –Davey2010Talk17:19, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
Harassing thanks
Hi Davey. I have a lot of respect for the work you do on the project, but this is an error in judgement. It doesn't help to de-escalate the situation and serves only to inflame tempers. Please avoid thanking people so many times in such a short period of time when you know they would rather not have contact with you, whether or not that request is justified. It can easily be seen as harassment. ~ Rob13Talk22:48, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
Hi BU Rob13, I was thanking him for his diff-additions on his talkpage but once I realised this could be considered harassment I immediately stopped and haven't thanked him since, Many thanks for your comment and I hope you're all well, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk22:52, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
Tell a lie I did thank him for the section, Yeah this isn't looking great for me, Noted I'll stop poking and shall stay well clear from hereon in, I'm not a harassing sort of person so I've dewatched his talkpages and I'll avoid him whereever possible (and if our paths do cross I'll knock off the comments), Thanks, –Davey2010Talk22:58, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
Fun fact of the day: on the Polish wikipedia people have set a limit (was it 3?) to the number of thanks that a given user can send. Only applies to new users, though. – Uanfala (talk)23:01, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
More relevantly this time, I'm wondering how BU Rob13 noticed the unusual thanking activity. Are there mechanisms for policing the thanks log? – Uanfala (talk)23:04, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
Haha wow really ?, But why I mean the sensible thing is to block the thanker ?, Seems a bit ott lol,
I suppose thanks to my thanking-spree I suppose it'll come over here now lol,
Nope "C" had pinged admins telling them of my "thank trolling" which is how they knew,
Coffee pinged me to the thanks log on-wiki. I know you probably didn’t intend it that way, Davey2010, and like I said I have a great respect for what you do on the project. I just want to make sure things don’t escalate. Thanks for responding so reasonably. ~ Rob13Talk23:26, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
Thanks BU Rob13 and I have a lot of respect for what you do on here too, No worries and thank you for coming here to deescalate things, Have a nice day :), Thanks, –Davey2010Talk23:32, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
Are you planning to file something? If so, might you accept help? I can think of a few people who may be interested as they've been involved in separate "shit shows" of their own of late. 24.96.130.81 (talk) 01:30, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
Hi, Nope I'm just writing a statement, There may not even be one but something tells me he's either going to file one or someone else will so in case it happens I figured I might aswell compile everything and write something up,
But nope I'm not filing one as unfortunately I was "thank-trolling" as well as poking and what not so I'm not really in a position to file one against him .....
I'm not sure if it was intentional or not, but you archived the section at WP:AN about pages recently put under extended-confirmed protection. Per this discussion, that section should remain on the page and not be archived. I've reverted your archiving of the section, and I would suggest you not do it again. (Of course, if you did it on accident, then you can just ignore what I just wrote. I'm just making sure in case it was intentional, which I'm hoping it wasn't). Thank you. SkyWarrior18:31, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
SkyWarrior - You've absolutely lost me ..... What's the difference between it being archived now and it being archived in a few days time ? ..... I actually assumed an admin for whatever reason hatted it ..... It being hatted equally makes no sense, –Davey2010Talk19:32, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
OK, so let me explain it further. Any and all pages put under ECP protection must be logged at WP:AN; this was decided by the community here. The section you archived is that log, and per that RfC it should not be removed or archived. It's hatted, I would assume, for readability reasons in case the log gets too long. SkyWarrior19:52, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
SkyWarrior - Ahhhh I seeeeee I didn't realise that section was actually a part of the AN board... riiiiiight now it makes sense , Apologies for that I'll be a bit more careful in future, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk20:00, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
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Hello, thank you for letting me know about distinguishing between the D&B band Pendulum. I have decided to move the page back to Pendulum (song), since still, this is the only song with this name with an article. However, to address your concern, I put a hatnote on top for the D&B band. If you have any other concerns, please message me on my talk page first before any moves. Thank you. JE98 (talk) 23:02, 5 February 2018 (UTC)
The station is a completely separate entity to the collage however. Is there some sort of personal attack happening to me, as you seem to modify all of my changes without question for little reason? Many thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by OllyDowning (talk • contribs) 00:12, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
I believe your revert was in good faith but I am quite surprised by it. For one, I have already participated in the talk page of the article specifically about that very issue (see: Talk:Turkish_military_operation_in_Afrin#Alleged_war_crimes). Also, the sources you now reinserted into the article have been discredited on the talk page through consensus and most users consider the usage of Turkish state-runned news media outlets as unreliable and biased when it comes to sensitive information such as war crime allegations. Étienne Dolet (talk) 22:07, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
Plus, Calthinus has been heavily involved in the article's talk page and there is a consensus already. I just showed you the discussion and you still act as if this discussion never happened. Not only is this revert a violation of the 1RR, but it's also disruptive. Étienne Dolet (talk) 23:36, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
Hi EtienneDolet, From what I can see "Anadolu Agency" is used everywhere, Looking through various talkpages as well as WP related pages there doesn't appear to be any sort of consensus not to include it - If you point to an actual consensus that says "Anadolu Agency cannot be used" then I'll happily revert but at present 2 people saying "It cannot be used" isn't really consensus so as such my edit will be staying but as I said if you can point to this consensus I'll happily revert, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk23:43, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
The consensus is that Anadolu Agency cannot be used for controversial and sensitive information such as war crime allegations. That's the consensus and it's laid out right there in the talk page of the article. If you actually looked at the talk page, which apparently you didn't because you believe that me or Calthinus never participated in it, you'd see that there was a pretty lengthy discussion about this and that most users have agreed to not use Anadolu Agency's claims until it has been picked up by more reliable impartial sources. Anadolu Agency is being used, yes. But for other things such as casualty figures made by the Turkish government with the understanding that it be tagged as a Turkish government claim. Étienne Dolet (talk) 23:51, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
(EtienneDolet oh crap, is this article under 1RR? I didn't even realize. )
Davey, you reverted me saying the source is fine, and said I should use the talk page. Surely you have read this about the not-so-fine media situation in Turkey right now. In case you are unaware, we have specifically discussed the outlet used, Anadolu on the talk page-- you are quite welcome to participate there yourself if you are going to tell others to do so when reverting. The claim that I removed, that you placed back on, is a very serious claim-- I'm not against including it, but surely if we do so it should have better sourcing than one AKP politician's claim reported on a Turkish state outlet, right?--Calthinus (talk) 23:42, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
Reverted - As I said 2 people isn't a consensus however having properly read the sentence I was reinstating it used "accused" which isn't ideal - That's dodgy territory right there, That all being said I couldn't find any other sources stating this so I've reverted, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk23:55, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
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TemplateStyles has been deployed to the Swedish Wikipedia. TemplateStyles is a feature to make it easy to add CSS to templates without administrator privileges. This allows for better adaptability to screen sizes, especially on mobile where are half our total page views. If your community would like to be the next to have the feature, please submit a task on Phabricator. [37][38][39]
You can opt in to a new beta feature that lets you use visual diffs on history pages. [40]
The visual editor shows and lets you edit templates in one way, and reference lists in another. This meant that templates that only contain a fake reference list, like {{reflist}}, would not get updated as you edited. Now they will update as you edit, but you will no longer be able to visually edit them as templates. [41]
The abuse filter extension has a new feature contains_all that you may use to check if one or more strings are all contained in another given string. [42]
The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 13 February. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 14 February. It will be on all wikis from 15 February (calendar).
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The explanation of the abbreviations on the recent changes page could overlap with the list of changes. This has been fixed. [44][45]
You can now see statistics for pageviews per wiki per country. You can see this on maps or in a table. [46]
Problems
Linter is reporting estimated counts instead of actual counts for some wikis. This is because of performance problems. You might notice a false higher number in linter counts for some categories. This will be fixed as soon as the performance problem has been fixed. [47]
Last week the way that Visual Editor displays references lists was changed. As a result, the references generated by specific templates like {{sfn}} are not visible in the references list whilst editing. [48][49]
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The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 20 February. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 21 February. It will be on all wikis from 22 February (calendar).
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The way edit summaries and log comments are stored in the database is being changed. In the future this will make longer comments possible. [50]
Edit conflicts could be solved in a different way in the future. You can test a new prototype.
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I spent much time on the Arriva Shires & Essex article, improving the format and details of references and updating a few of the photos. You have reverted the article to a state in which its photos show no bus more recent than 2009, no photograph taken since 2011 and no publishers named in the citations. Citation templates include a parameter for publishers because they should be named.
An article about a bus operator can include some photos of older vehicles to illustrate the company's history. But it should also include recent ones of recent vehicles to represent its current operations. Thanks to you, this article no longer does.
The photos that I removed ranged in quality from mediocre to poor. The ones that I added in their stead are better quality. I say that not out of vanity because I took two of them, but entirely objectively. The photo of a Green Line coach with an over-exposed sky is particularly grotty.
Even the photo in the infobox is inadequate. The subject is entirely in shade, the background entirely sunlit and the bus is 18 years old. I am sorry I did not find a better one on Wikimedia Commons to replace it.
Why do you want to exclude good quality photos of Arriva the Shires buses built in 2014 and 2015 and photographed in 2016 and 2017? What you have done is quite unconstructive. It serves neither Wikipedia nor its readers.
Hi Motacilla, My apologies, My main issues were the image changes, The images you added IMHO looked awful, I have no objections to image replacements providing they're better than what their replacing .... however that all being said I should've replaced the images instead of reverting all of your edits and so I apologise for that, I've obviously since self reverted (except for the images), Thanks, –Davey2010Talk21:02, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
JYI, I started checking the pages I requested to be checked recently in AN. I have sent many for MfD and for speedy deletion. It turns, the pages are being deleted and the number of racist/sexist expressions is being reduced. Any help is appreciated though. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:06, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
Magioladitis - You're removing comments made in 2009! .... Whilst I don't condone anyone calling another editor "a nigger faggot" or "cunt" at the same time these comments were made over 10 years ago .... In my eyes you're wasting your time and and your focusing all of your energy on something pointless and which could be better spent on improving articles, Stop with the removal and seek consensus for your removals. –Davey2010Talk15:15, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
Magioladitis FWIW some of the stuff you've deleted has been vile and I whole heartedly support the removals but others not so much, FWIW I do agree and I don't agree on it but I can't stop you nor am I going to ANI over it but it might be better to get consensus so that way people can have their say, I will say not all of your removals have been bad and some I would've removed myself .... but for me I just feel like you could be better spending your energy on articles which is the whole point of this site, As I said I'm not going to stop you if you honestly believe removing 10-15yo "nigger" and "cunt" comments is the best use of your time then by all means carry on. –Davey2010Talk15:24, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
Hi, I'm just letting you know that I've unstruck the !vote here: [51]. My rationale was: "SPAs are allowed to vote and the comment was already marked as such". Please let me know if there are any concerns. K.e.coffman (talk) 01:03, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
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Checkusers and stewards can now view private data such as the IP address in the abuse log. This data is removed regularly. [52]
Problems
Last week's MediaWiki version was rolled back because of a bug. [53][54]
Since the deployment train last week until late evening on 20 February UTC, when you thanked someone for an edit, the thank went to the latest unthanked edit to that page. It didn't matter which edit you tried to give thanks for. This has been fixed. [55]
Special:Statistics did not take newly created pages into account since 13 February 2018. Because of this the statistics are recreated. [56][57][58]
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Users with version 10 of the Internet Explorer browser will no longer get JavaScript on Wikimedia wikis. If you use this browser on your computer, you can try upgrading to a newer version. [59]
The Wikinews wikis will switch to use the Remex parsing library. This is to replace Tidy. It will happen on 27 February. Other wikis will be recommended to switch soon when they have fixed the errors that must be fixed. Tidy will be removed in the middle of 2018. [60][61]
The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 27 February. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 28 February. It will be on all wikis from 1 March (calendar).
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The leek is one of the national emblems of Wales, worn along with the daffodil (in Welsh, the daffodil is known as "Peter's leek", Cenhinen Bedr) on St. David's Day. According to one legend, King Cadwaladr of Gwynedd ordered his soldiers to identify themselves by wearing the vegetable on their helmets in an ancient battle against the Saxons that took place in a leek field.[1]
Cheers! Iggy (Swan) 18:34, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
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On Special:AbuseLog you can now choose to list only actions that actually made an edit. Other actions are when the filter warned the editor or blocked the edit from being made. There are also more search options. [64][65]
Wikis can enable Citoid to provide automatic reference look-up in the visual editor and the 2017 wikitext editor, but it is complex. The tool will now warn in the JavaScript console if the configuration isn't correct. Soon Citoid will disable itself if the configuration isn't correct. Check that your wiki is configured correctly. You can ask for help if you need it. [66]
The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 6 March. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 7 March. It will be on all wikis from 8 March (calendar).
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Page Previews has been updated to use HTML for previews. This has fixed many issues. An A/B test was done on English and German Wikipedia to measure how it is used. Other changes were also made. [68]
Some edits have to be checked against too many conditions before they can trigger an abuse filter. If that is the reason no filter is triggered the edit will be tagged for review. [69]
Auto-saving has been added to the visual editor and the 2017 wikitext editor. Right now it is meant to help if your browser crashes or if you accidentally close a tab. [70]
Problems
The abuse filter did not tag all edits that should have been tagged after last week's MediaWiki version had come to the wikis. It was fixed on 9 March (UTC). [71]
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You can notify users in edit summaries. They will get a ping just as if they had been mentioned on a wiki page. This was originally planned to happen last week. [72]
It is now possible to specify the block parameters for each filter in Special:AbuseFilter. The parameters include block duration and if the user should be blocked from editing their own talk page. The block duration is separate for anonymous and registered users. [73][74]
A hundred Wikimedia wikis will switch to use the Remex parsing library. This is to replace Tidy. It will happen on 13 and 14 March. Other wikis will be recommended to switch soon when they have fixed the errors that must be fixed. Tidy will be removed in the middle of 2018. [75][76][77]
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Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof?23:18, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
Hi, Davey. About this edit, where you reinstated something that had been deleted: I know you are aware that the Trump article is under Discretionary Sanctions. And I know you know what that means, since you were reminded just a couple of months ago. When you reinstated "material that had been challenged via reversion" you violated those sanctions. The reinstatement has been reverted again, so I guess you could say "no harm no foul", but be more careful in the future. As you know, any administrator can give you a block on sight for this kind of edit. And now that you have been reminded, that is more likely to happen if there is a next time. --MelanieN (talk) 19:51, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
Hi MelanieN, Thanks for your message, I hope all is well with you and yours,
Will do, I wasn't actually aware MrX had added it I just assume it was already in the article and Mark was reverting but ofcourse i'll tread carefully in future, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk20:20, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
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On March 12 early morning UTC, the number of 503 error messages increased due to an issue on esams datacenter. It has been fixed. [78]
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The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 20 March. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 21 March. It will be on all wikis from 22 March (calendar).
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From April 4, the autopatrol status of edits will only be accessible in the Recent Changes database table, so only for 30 days. [79][80]
In-Context Help and Onboarding is a new project, aiming to improve retention of new wiki editors. The goal is to give them short tutorials and other training experiences based on their activity. Collaboration team is expecting feedback and comments on the project talk page, especially from people working with newcomers.
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Some of the interface icons and text sizes will change slightly, as part of the updates for improved accessibility and consistency. These icons are used in many features, including Notifications, Recent Changes, Beta Features, Visual Editor, 2017 Wikitext Editor, Code Editor, and others. While editor toolbars, dialogs, and menus will appear slightly bigger; elements on special pages will be slightly smaller. Functionality will not change. [81][82]
The deprecated #toc and #toctitle CSS ids have been removed. If your wiki was still using these for fake Tables of Content (ToC) then these might lose their styling. They can be replaced with .toc and .toctitle classes where appropriate. [83]
TemplateStyles will be deployed to the Wikivoyages on 28 March 2018. [84]
The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 27 March. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 28 March. It will be on all wikis from 29 March (calendar).
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From 9 April, the sort order of categories will be distorted for a short time. We are upgrading versions of an internationalisation library (ICU) and using a maintenance script to update existing database entries. This will last anywhere from a few hours to a few days, depending on wiki size. Read more details. [85]
Changes are coming to search for Serbian projects. Cyrillic and Latin variants of a word and different grammatical forms of a word will be able to find each other. Read more on MediaWiki in Serbian or English.
No you're not ? .... I didn't understand your question so ventured to your contributions to see if I could get a better understanding, Unless you do something silly you're not gonna get blocked, Happy editing. –Davey2010Talk19:55, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
Hi, replying to your message...
This person has already been contacted on their page, because they are stalking not only my edits on several wikis but also removing entire sections from various pages. I have contacted them on both their talk page and an individual wiki article talk page. I believe its one for the 'BBC'. Kb217 (talk) 12:31, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
Contact or no contact you're still edit warring, If the reverter isn't replying then there are various other ways to resolve said dispute. –Davey2010Talk12:35, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
Thanks Neil!, Oh the joys of Wikipedia at times! ... and I'm only an editor!, Feel sorry for all the admins who have to put up with this shit 24/7. –Davey2010Talk14:20, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
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Template Wizard script available for testing. It will show up as a puzzle-piece icon in the 2010 WikiEditor. You can click on the icon to insert a template.
The Wikimedia Communities and Contributors survey is to be sent to participants around the world this week. If you are volunteer developer, and have contributed code to any pieces of MediaWiki, gadgets, or tools, please take 20 to 40 minutes to complete the survey.
Problems
MediaWiki deployment train has been rolled back to version 1.31.0-wmf.26 on week 13, due to a multiplication of lost connections during MySQL queries. Some of the recent changes may have not been applied. They will be deployed next week. [86][87][88]
The Notifications badge icons were overlapping other links. This has been fixed. [89]
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The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 3 April. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 4 April. It will be on all wikis from 5 April (calendar).
User subpages ending in .json will now be protected from other people editing them, like .js and .css pages already are. If you have a tool that stores static configuration, you can now use a subpage like User:Example/mygadget.json to do this without concerns. [90]
Tidy will be replaced by RemexHtml on the next set of wikis. On April 4, we plan to turn off Tidy on all Wikiquotes (except frwikiquote) and Wikimedia chapters and user groups wikis. 23 wikis will have Tidy replaced this time. [91][92][93]
AbuseFilter will transition to use OOUI starting April 4, and the rule editor will also be changed to a CodeEditor (ACE) similar to what is found on user JavaScript pages. The move to OOUI will continue over the next few weeks. [94][95]
In Special:Preferences, the preference "Reload the watchlist automatically whenever a filter is changed (JavaScript required)" is now only visible for users who have opt-out the New Filters for the Watchlist. [96]
You can see names of individual abuse filters in Special:AbuseLog. Now if the name of an abuse filter contains some wikisyntax like links, it will not change to a link when displayed. [97]
You can now search through filter patterns at Special:AbuseFilter. You may specify either a plain string or a regular expression and the matching filters will show a snippet of their pattern with the match highlighted. [98]
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On April 11th, we plan to turn off Tidy on all wikis with less than 50 entries in all high priority linter categories. About 60 wikis will have Tidy replaced. Currently about 600 wikis have had Tidy replaced and we have another 300 wikis to go. We plan to finish this transition from Tidy to RemexHtml by end of June 2018. Please follow T175706 to monitor progress of Tidy replacement. [99][100]
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I object to your closing my AnI thread prematurely and I don't agree with your summing up. You stifled debate on whether an administrator can be held to account for their actions, with most of the points I raised hardly being considered. Nor did you give a chance to editors in other time zones to participate. I'm not asking you to reopen the thread, but I don't like to see the actions and behaviour of this administrator tolerated by the community. Bullying in the workplace is widely condemned. Why should it be acceptable in Wikipedia? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:57, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
I agree admins should be held accountable .... if they've done those things .....If I disagree with any admins actions I will say so .... but in this case I'm not seeing anything remotely bad or "unwise", Without sounding desrepectful we have five million & six hundred articles - It might be better to focus your time and energy in an article as opposed to an ANI thread that just isn't going to happen, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk12:23, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
Well, Well
I see your instructions that you will reply on my talk page, but there wasn't a discussion on my talk page. There was a rant that you deleted (and that Alex deleted). I see that there was mention of competency, and a lack of that is among the reasons why that user should stay banned. I don't know why they chose to rant on my talk page. Obviously they have something against FPaS, and I was simply one of various people saying that FPaS is sometimes right. Oh well. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:36, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
Hi Robert McClenon, Apologies but you've lost me inregards to the instructions part - I don't believe I've left an instruction?, I simply saw an IP adding a huge chunk of content with something about crime proceedings so I simply rollbacked without remotely looking at it, Obviously when I did look I read the first few lines and released it was some sad IP with a grudge ....., Apparently the IP was "Vote for change" and If you've interacted with them previously then that could be why they picked you ... if on the otherhand you haven't then no idea sorry, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk20:09, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
I know who Vote X for Change is, in the sense that I know that they are a long-time disruptive editor. I don't know much more about them or care to know much more. I think that the rant that you deleted was the second copy. A previous version of the rant had been left about an hour earlier and deleted by Alex Shih. My comment about instructions was only that the instructions on this talk page say to reply on my talk page if you had started the discussion there. But you didn't start a discussion; you erased a rant. Oh well. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:00, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
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Some pages have templates that describe problems with that article. There is now more information for mobile readers and what is wrong with the article and how they could help fix it. [101]
The sort order of categories will have errors for a short time starting Monday 9 April (UTC). We are upgrading versions of an internationalisation library (ICU) and using a script to update the database. This will take between a few hours and a few days depending on wiki size. You can read more details. [103]
Tag filter titles will now work better on wikis where the tag filter title is in a language that is written in another direction than the language of that wiki. This could for example be an English title (written from left to right) on a Hebrew or an Arabic wiki (written from right to left). [104]
Problems
The bookmark icon for saved filters on the recent changes page disappeared because of new icon changes. This has now been fixed. [105]
For a week in March rollbacks got both the rollback and the undo tag on the recent changes page and other pages where you see tags. This has now been fixed. [106]
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The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 10 April. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 11 April. It will be on all wikis from 12 April (calendar).
Patrolled edits now have three states instead of two. Recent changes filters are updated to show unpatrolled, autopatrolled and manually patrolled edits. [107]
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Chris has extended an olive branch of peace. Your effort to resolve the argument is appreciated. Each of us deserves a fair shake. It's not easy to back-off when the other editor has demonstrably made the wrong decisions. It does a lot to help the community by not being the focal point for these stressful editor interactions when you're already involved. Letting third party editors take part largely absolves you of blame. It also means a lot to those third editors to be trusted to propose steps to alleviate the difficulty. Chris Troutman (talk)20:58, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
Hi Chris troutman, Thanks so much!, I absolutely agree it's easy to argue but it's certainly a lot harder to back away, After your message on the talkpage I begun to realise I wasn't helping to resolve the problem I infact was making it worse and worse and worse and in some respects just digging myself a deeper whole, Anyway thanks for being DRN for a day lol - Thanks for resolving that as well as for your olive branch here, Take care and thanks again, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk21:06, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
Heidi Klum citizenship
Hi! I just wanted to query why you reverted my edit on Heidi Klum's page. You said it was because it was unsourced, but I was under the impression that you don't need to provide a source in the infobox if the information was already sourced elsewhere in the article? For example, her birth date and marriage dates aren't sourced again in the infobox. Thanks. —Abbyjjjj96 (talk) 22:44, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
Hi Abbyjjjj96, I'm so sorry!, I checked the top lede paragraph as well as her personal life and found nothing .... God knows how I missed that but anyway I've self reverted - Thanks for your message, Happy editing, –Davey2010Talk00:46, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
Hi, Personally I feel some of the content should be merged, Ofcourse I don't expect the whole article to be merged however some of it should be, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk21:21, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
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The reference clearly mentions that. And I don't see a reason why my edits prior to that were removed, I have clearly sourced them from highly reliable sources (Canadian govt). Gotitbro (talk) 15:00, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
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Profiling statistics for an abuse filter tell how often edits match the filter. The statistics for the abuse filters were reset after 10000 actions. Wikis can now decide to reset it more or less often. They can file a phabricator task to do so. [108]
Abuse filters will now treat integers and floats more precisely. For example, 5/2 was rounded down to 2 but will now be 2.5 and 2*4 will be the integer 8 and not the floating-point number 8.0. Division values are the only ones changed. For the rest only strict comparisons (=== and !==) will be affected leaving the values unchanged. [109][110]
The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 17 April. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 18 April. It will be on all wikis from 19 April (calendar).
Meetings
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Future changes
The new PDF renderer could not create PDFs from books. Books are in this case collections of pages on a Wikimedia wiki. PediaPress will take over development of the books-to-PDF function. [111]
Pywikibot will no longer support Python 2.7.2 and 2.7.3. [112]
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/We All Get Lighter (2nd nomination)
I have no dispute with you reverting my non-admin closure at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/We All Get Lighter (2nd nomination), but I will point out that I nominated the article for total deletion and then accepted someone else's recommendations to redirect instead. And I have observed other nominators do the same before the 7 days are up. Perhaps are procedural rush on my part, but you might as well revert your reversion tomorrow. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs)13:22, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
Doomsdayer520 - I myself used to be an avid AFD closer until this happened, and then this happened ..... (and then a huge discussion on AFD closures happened which I can't seem to find) - Point is I absolutely agree your closure was fine however when you close one early you basically end up closing more early which all goes against #1 of WP:CLOSEAFD which states and I quote "A deletion discussion should normally be allowed to run for seven full days (168 hours).", Thanks, –Davey2010Talk13:48, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
Ah, cool, no worries then. It certainly happens more than we'd like to admit (saw a similar edit recently with HG that was a misclick). I just figured a friendly note wouldn't go amiss. Keep on keepin' on, and all that. Cheers, Primefac (talk) 14:00, 18 April 2018 (UTC)
Unfortunately it easily happens when we least expect it lol, Anyway thanks for your message, Haha thanks & Happy editing to you too, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk14:06, 18 April 2018 (UTC)
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I actually don't give a fuck what picture is used on that page, but jcc pissed me off there, so I'm making a point. --Begoon01:52, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
If you don't give a fuck then stop making childish points and stop edit warring. FWIW I don't see how the image is a BLP vio neither but you'd piss him off more by !voting against him rather than using an image ..... –Davey2010Talk02:08, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
Nothing you say above supports your revert of my edit in any way. It's bizarre. You should undo it. Yes, I'm making a point but the point is that the new image is better. Where did I "edit war" ffs? Are you even reading what you write? Usually you make good edits but you lost me here.--Begoon05:58, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
I disagree I think the current image is much better, Nope you didn't edit war apologies for that - I thought this was going to go further hence the comment, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk10:22, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
Apology accepted. Next time you could actually look what happened instead of some odd, knee-jerk response. Just saying... --Begoon11:10, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
You're changing an image to a different one all but to prove some sort of point to some editor ....... Instead of being intentionally disruptive what about improving the 5 million articles we have. –Davey2010Talk11:44, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
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And as always Davey, yet another word of thanks [insert cookie image here]. I've just seen that you had to end up reporting them, but anyway, nice to see you around. jcc (tea and biscuits) 16:11, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
Hi Jcc, No worries, Not something I wanted to do but hey ho, Thanks for popping by and for the cookie :), Take care, Dave 16:28, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
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Hello D. I suspect the creation of this editor was an attempt to muddy the waters at best. You saw the accusation but I wanted to let you know that I added the tag as a followup. Best regards. MarnetteD|Talk00:55, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
Hi MarnetteD, In all honestly something really tells me the IP is (Redacted) ..... (Redacted) only seems to appear when all hell's breaking loose with the IP .... , Ah right thanks I actually thought it was a legit account aswell - It's a good job you're on the ball! :), Anyway thanks for your help and efforts in reverting the IP it's much appreciated, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk01:06, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
Hi again. You are welcome for the help. Sorry for being cryptic but I was trying to raise as little fuss as possible. As to DM I am sorry (again) that you have had disagreements but I can tell you she wouldn't create a sock and she would never troll my talk page the way this IP did. Darn the last sentence might have created more agro. I hope you know that I want to still the waters not roil them. Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk01:54, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
Hi MarnetteD, Nope looking at the userpage yeah I was a mile off on that and I hadn't realised the IP went to your tp either so please accept my apologies for that comment, As you can probably tell I'm a little burnt out from all of the crap that I've had to deal with all day today and RL doesn't help either, Nope nope you've not created any aggro not at all,
Hi again. I sure do know how maddening the stuff we put up with can be. I sometimes wish Tom could add "editing at the 'pedia" to this song. I hope you have a pleasant weekend in spite of everything.MarnetteD|Talk15:48, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
Hi Marnette, Haha so do I that'd be pretty cool , Thanks and I hope you have a very nice weekend too :), It's very hot in the UK so currently chilling with a nice can of beer :), Anyway thanks as always for popping by, Take care Marnette :), –Davey2010Talk15:52, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
@Davey2010: Out of curiosity I was trying to look and see if there was any examples of Freight Rover 200 & 300 Series on the web. But all I ended up with is the Freight Rover Sherpa series. Was it at one point were Freight Rovers without the Sherpa name and has a different badge? --Vauxford (talk) 06:10, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
Hi Vauxford, Truth be told I've never understood the whole Sherpa thing ..... Some go by 2/3/400 series and others have the Sherpa name on the end, Having taken a look at this it would seem the 2/3/400 all had Sherpa on the end .... just the article doesn't show it ?, As I said I honestly have no idea sorry, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk14:07, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
Understandable. Freight Rover/LDV was always confusing when it comes to there production, might be the reason why they went out of business. --Vauxford (talk) 15:06, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
Very true!, I'd assume the name certainly didn't help them in the end - Would've been more sensible to launch a new "facelifted" van with a new name but there we are, Anyway sorry I couldn't of been more help, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk15:22, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
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The iOS and Android apps now have synced reading lists. This means you can save articles to a private list that can be seen on your other devices if you use the apps.
The visual editor and the 2017 wikitext ask you to write an edit summary after you press Publish. This button now also shows an ellipsis. This is to show that pressing Publish is not the last step. [114]
Changes later this week
The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 24 April. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 25 April. It will be on all wikis from 26 April (calendar).
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<mapframe> will come to most Wikipedias in May. This means that you can put interactive maps in the articles. Nine Wikipedias that use a strict version of flagged revisions will not get this feature in May. [115]
The rollback function could change. This was a German community request. All editors with rollback rights can leave feedback on the proposed solution. The last day to leave feedback is 4 May (UTC).
Hi, Indeed however it was in SNOW terrority - I originally was going to oppose myself but I knew this was only going one way so figured closing was the least disruptive (as opposed to myself and everyone else piling on), Thanks, –Davey2010Talk20:01, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
It should be reopened and allowed to complete naturally. There is no rush. I added an alternative move that deserves time to be looked at. -- Netoholic@22:44, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
Done only because there was a similar suggestion under your !vote, Had there not been a suggestion this still would've remained close, Thanks. –Davey2010Talk23:31, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
Hi Danidamiobi, Apologies for earlier I thought everyone know what "indeffed" meant - SwisterTwister is forever blocked from English Wikipedia and so any messages left there are removed as they're no longer a member of this community, Many thanks, –Davey2010Talk02:52, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
Hint: you can't refer to diffs/links by their numbers, the way you've been doing at ANI, because the numbers shift around as other links are added to/deleted from the page. EEng15:22, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
Hi EEng, Ah okay thanks, I did have a feeling I couldn't but kinda hoped I could :), I'll change that now, Thanks for the hint :), Thanks, –Davey2010Talk15:26, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
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Recent changes
The parameter for unpatrolled edits in recent changes filters changed name. You might need to update saved filters and links. [117]
Problems
We are migrating wikis from Tidy to Remex. Because of a bug the 250 wikis which do not yet use Remex were switched on 23 April. This is two months early. This meant that pages with broken wikitext showed wrongly to readers. The bug was undone the next day. You can help fix broken wikitext to avoid this problem when your wiki switches. Tidy will be removed on all wikis before July 2018. You can follow the process on Phabricator. [118]
When an administrator blocks someone they will have a calendar they can use to choose when the block ends. This is to make it easier to pick a specific date. [120]
You can soon turn on the Performance Inspector in the Editing section in your preferences. It shows information about the performance of pages. This could be the size of modules in the page, how many CSS selectors are defined on the page and how many are used, or the size of the images on the page. This tool is intended to help editors fix pages that load slowly. [121]
There is a new abuse filter function called equals_to_any. You can use it to check if its first argument is equal (===) to any of the following ones. For example you can use it to check if the page's namespace is amongst a given set of values in a more compact way than you could earlier. You can read more on mediawiki.org.
The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 1 May. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 2 May. It will be on all wikis from 3 May (calendar).
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Future changes
The Wikimedia Cloud Services team is working on a new project called Toolhub. The goal is to make it easier for Wikimedians to discover software tools they can use. You can leave feedback on the talk page or email jharewikimedia.org to leave private feedback.
All wikis with fewer than 100 high-priority linter errors in all namespaces will switch to use the Remex parsing library. This is to replace Tidy. It will happen on 2 May. Other wikis will be recommended to switch soon when they have fixed the errors that must be fixed. Wikibooks wikis with fewer than 100 high-priority linter errors in the main namespace will switch on 9 May. Tidy will be removed on all wikis before July 2018. [122][123][124]
The photos with which I illustrated the Stagecoach in Oxfordshire article represent, as far as practical in the limited length of the article, its current fleet and the geographical extent of its operations. Your deleting photos of an Alexander Dennis Enviro200 in Banbury or an Optare Solo SR in Carterton was not constructive. Nor was it constructive of you to restore a photo of a Volvo B10M that left the SiO fleet several years ago, or one of an Enviro400 which is still in the fleet, but whose photo has irredeemably poor colour balance and degrades the appearance of the article.
This is not about replacing other people's photos with my own. It is about replacing existing photos with better and more up to date ones.
If you would like to add a section on Stagecoach in Oxfordshire's past fleet, please do. That could include a photo of a Volvo B10M, or photos of other buses that are no longer in SiO's fleet.
It is bad enough that you have removed the best quality and most up to date photos from the Arriva Shires & Essex article. Please stop degrading the SiO article in the same way.
I have taken and donated hundreds of high-quality photos of buses in Oxfordshire. I think I have now photographed a large proportion of the current fleets of each of the county's larger operators. I have used a selection of them to improve the appearance and relevance of articles about bus operators in Oxfordshire. You have given no good reason to revert these improvements. Please stop wasting my effort.
Hi, You should not be replacing articles images all with yours ....... There should be a mixture of photographers regardless of whether yours are more or recent or not, Also images don't really need to be replaced - There should be a variety of old and new, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk21:37, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
Please direct me to the rule that says an article should include a mixture of photographers, regardless of the quality of their work.
You seem to have reacted without taking in all the points in my message. And you misinterpret the aim of my edits. I replace photographs not in order to dominate an article, but to replace less good photographs with better ones.
If other people donated photos as good as mine I would be delighted to use them. But as far as buses in Oxfordshire are concerned, there are very few.
The photograph of a Stagecoach Gold Enviro400 in George Street is embarrasingly poor quality. The colour balance is an unsalvageable mess. If I took so poor a photograph I would delete it. I certainly would not donate it to Wikimedia Commons.
Above all, it is common sense for the photo in the infobox to show a bus that is currently in the SiO fleet, with a route number that SiO currently uses. You have twice removed such a photo and reinserted one of a bus that is no longer in Oxfordshire, with a route number that Stagecoach has discontinued.
My sole aim is to improve the quality of Wikipedia, not to increase my presence on it. Please stop misconstruing my motive and making unhelpful edits as a result. Thankyou. Motacilla (talk) 22:06, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
Hi, As I said we should have various photographers images on articles not just solely yours - Many editors use it as a promotional sort of tactic which is why it's frowned upon (Not at all saying this is your motive), I'll happily replace the infobox image but that would mean another image of yours there goes - I'm honestly not trying to be awkward and I appreciate you taking the time to photograph and donate your images but realistically just because you spend x amount of hours photographing and donating it them it doesn't mean they should or need to be in articles,
The previous images although they're no longer in the fleet are still a part of history which we should show, Many thanks, –Davey2010Talk22:12, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
I asked you to show a rule stating that any one photographer's contributions should be limited. You have failed to do so and instead you repeat yourself. And you smear my work as a "promotional tactic". I have never sold a photograph in my life and I am not trying to. I edit and donate pseudonymously because I seek no credit.
I will use anyone's photo if it improves the relevance and quality of an article and its infobox. The ones you have replaced do the opposite, for reasons that I have explained and none of which you have acknowledged.
"I'll happily replace the infobox image but that would mean another image of yours there goes" is in effect a quota. An arbitrary quota on one contributor's photographs, imposed by you as a self-appointed regulator. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia that should be edited and illustrated to the highest possible standard. Your self-imposed quotas prevent that.
And I have responded to your comment about older photos of buses no longer in service. If you want a "past fleet" section, create one. Without it, and with no other explanations, your inclusion of out-of-date photos merely risks misleading the general reader.
You did the same in February to the Arriva Shires & Essex article. I fear (and I mean fear) you may have a personal issue against me, perhaps from Wikimedia Commons, and are taking it out on my contributions to bus articles on Wikipedia. Claim all you like that you are "not trying to be awkward". Your reverts tell the opposite story. They certainly have nothing to do with improving quality.
Hi, As we're not going to come to any sort of agreement you're more than welcome to seek resolution elsewhere (RFC, DRN, 30 etc etc), Thanks. –Davey2010Talk12:40, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
Hi Bishonen, Well it's better than ANI I suppose ..... Don't think I can handle ANI for a third consecutive day!, Anyway many thanks for letting for letting me know, Take care, –Davey2010Talk23:49, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
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I haven't really been paying attention to that thread, but saw this while watching another thread. It's a too-rare quality to be able to step back, reflect, and then articulate those reflections in difficult circumstances (in a way that doesn't seem like it's just to avoid a block). That's all. — Rhododendritestalk \\ 15:00, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
Thanks Rhododendrites!, In all honestly I debated on whether to even apologise there or whether to just let it lie but felt like I should say something otherwise like you say it could be construed as avoiding a block,
I've never been the one to self-reflect really but in this case reading those replies as well as reading my own edit summaries I begun to realise I had to try and change otherwise it's bye bye Dave,
(edit conflict)Hi Again, instead reverting please either read the full history or just ask. The comments posted there were inappropriately removed from the RfA. My edit restored them there (Just look, you'll see). That section on the talk page is for off-topic comments. It's all been explained and another editor since closed that section. There is no need for you to re-add duplicate content. Thanks - theWOLFchild17:00, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
We keep edit conflicting. Anyway, the comments you saw on the talk page were moved from the RfA. The on-topic comments have been moved back to the RfA, the off-topic ones are on the talk page. Your revert moves everything to the talk page, causing duplication with the RfA. It's all good now, closed up and everyone is moving on. - theWOLFchild17:07, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
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Please join us to help form a consensus. Thank you! LivinRealGüd (talk) 19:57, 5 May 2018 (UTC)
Ah thanks Guy, I'll comment in a few days as I'm kinda 50/50 on it - We shouldn't have this sort of stuff but the other half being enwiki's American and primarily has American editors ..... If this was a UK thing then I probably would support .... so instead of adding something and then changing my mind back & fourth I'll allow those to comment first, Cheers, –Davey2010Talk21:39, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
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Recent changes
The Wikimedia Commons mobile app has a new version. It is now easier to find nearby places that need pictures. It helps you with direct uploads and title and category suggestions. The app only works on Android phones. [125]
Problems
The abuse filters had a problem with blocks where you had changed how long they last. It used the default length everywhere. This was in late April. Abuse filter users should make sure the right block length is used and change them if needed. This is only for filters where how long blocks last had been changed. [126]
Changes later this week
The advanced search function beta feature will be on all Wikimedia wikis. It makes it easier to use some of the special search functions that most editors don't know exist. [127]
The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 8 May. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 9 May. It will be on all wikis from 10 May (calendar).
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All wikis with fewer than 100 high-priority linter errors in the main namespace will switch to use the Remex parsing library. This is to replace Tidy. It will happen on 16 May. Other wikis will switch soon when they have fixed the errors that must be fixed. Tidy will be removed on all wikis before July 2018. [128][129]
Hi Triggerhippie4, Maybe the hot weather here in the UK has turned me a bit stupid .... but I'm only seeing your edits being reverted, If you provide diffs of it being the stable version I'd be more than happy to self revert, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk14:01, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
I wasn't reverted during the current dispute. I was only reverted couple of days before by another user (Backarn, who's indefinitely blocked by now). To see stable version, scroll down in revision history of Jews to any point during last weeks. Then compare it with your last revision and with my last revision, using "Compare selected revisions" button. --Triggerhippie4 (talk) 14:10, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
Hi Chaheel Riens, I know!, Truth be told I got fed up of changing it constantly so decided to leave it as is, Plus I was actually always forgetting to change it anyway, At one point I tried the idea of having 2 clocks on the page but that didn't work either , I don't really know why I have it but there we are, Cheers, –Davey2010Talk15:22, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
Recent ANI
Hello, Davey. I just wanted to respond to a note you left while closing a recent case: Boleyn please discuss your issues with users instead of coming here the moment they're not cooperative, Bashing out policies doesn't help your case neither. In this case I didn't go to ANI 'the moment' they weren't cooperative, but after sending five messages over a five week period, where they were editing in between all the messages, so are likely to have seen them. I feel I tried hard to discuss my issues with the editor. I also added in links to policies because another editor had said I needed to make clear that this was a matter of policy and not my personal opinion, and that this was clearer if I linked - there are advantages to both, trying not to sound like a lawyer but pointing them to links which may help them. I will try using the template used in this case again to see if that works better, although at present the editor has responded to the template but not corrected the initial issue, creating blps with no references and just external links. I didn't feel your summary was a fair interpretation of my efforts, but I appreciate all the hard work you do. Best wishes, Boleyn (talk) 10:40, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
Hi Boleyn, Apologies for that you did indeed try to get an answer so I've struck that[132], My issue I had (which I failed to include and was my main reason for the close) was that IMHO you didn't need to keep going to ANI over what I would percieve as trivial things (Personally I would warn them repeatedly or depending on the severity drop a Final Warning, If no reply go to AIV citing disruptive editing and lack of communication and they should be blocked),
Anyway we all do things differently (it'd be boring if we were all them same! ),
Hi Ronz, Ah the dummy edit didn't show, I originally reverted as I thought they were blanking the article but having looked after the revert I realised they hadn't so I added the dummy edit "RV as unexplained deletion of cited content", Thanks, –Davey2010Talk17:46, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
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The new Advanced Search interface is now available as a Beta Feature on all wikis. This makes it easier to learn about and to use many of the powerful options in our search. Feedback is appreciated. [133]
Changes later this week
The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 15 May. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 16 May. It will be on all wikis from 17 May (calendar).
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In the mobile view, warnings for when something is wrong with a page are not as clear as they should be. The developers are working on this. You can give feedback and suggestions.
The developers are working on making the Wikipedia Android app available in more languages. You can give feedback, suggestions and help test it. Read more on mediawiki.org[134]
Thanks for the informative edit summary - checked the template documentation and agree with you. There's always more to learn about editing Wikipedia! PamD07:53, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
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Hey, I saw you reverted my last edits on the article... I don't know exactly why, as I was detailing more about her 2018 roles. I also saw you mentioned about "the dummy edit" in a previous comment in your page, talking about some changes I did on the page previously (with the best intentions, btw; I love writing about this kind of stuff in a fact-checked, encyclopedian way). Have a little respect for other who try to contribute, and the fact that I don't have an account does not mean I don't have the same interests as you regarding wikipedia. I love to help and add new content to the platform, and everyone involved in the same porpuse should be open to that.
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The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 22 May. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 23 May. It will be on all wikis from 24 May (calendar).
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It could become easier to reference different pages of a book in an article. You can give feedback. The last day for feedback is 27 May.
Ah thanks Kudpung, Well it goes without saying obviously you can remove their message and my comment, I hadn't even translated their message I just misclicked and apologised, Many thanks, –Davey2010Talk11:53, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
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You can now use global preferences on most wikis. This means you can set preferences for all wikis at the same time. Before this you had to change them on each individual wiki. Global preferences will come to the Wikipedias later this week. [135][136]
It is now easier for blocked mobile users to see why they were blocked. [137]
There is now a checkbox on Special:ListUsers to let you see only users in temporary user groups. [138]
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Hey SerialNumber54129 Nice to see you again, Many thanks for your comments - Nice to see I'm doing something right - Anyway closing this as this belongs anywhere but my talkpage. –Davey2010Talk13:54, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
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Hi there, I just wanted to leave a comment for you and @Alex Shih: re his comment and your close re AIV RPP backlog. This appears to be contrary to the advice in this ANI thread less than a week ago where I was told that I'd done the right thing by reporting at ANI and "it was good to post there". In that instance I had posted at AN but it had gone another 10+ hours without any attention. I'm not sure what the backlog was when @Hhkohh: made the most recent report but it appeared to be fully in the spirit of the advice given in the prior ANI thread that he was also involved in. Can you please clarify? ... CJ [a Kiwi] inOz 12:37, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Hi, My general assumption is that admins watch the page and will deal with the reports eventually and don't really need to be notified every time there's a backlog, That being said comments (on the ANI you linked) were divided on where to post there or not, Maybe Hko or whatever his name is was correct and my closure was wrong ... I certainly agree clarity would be nice but I'm not admin so I can't give clarity. –Davey2010Talk12:55, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
Sorry if I've caused any confusion as I've realised I said AIV when I meant RPP. But from what I can see the discussion wasn't really divided, the only person questioning it suggested another potential place to make a report that was later clarified as incorrect by another admin. The impression I got from that thread was very much that ANI was an appropriate place to post such a report in order to flag it for attention & that I'd be quite right to do so in future. ... CJ [a Kiwi] inOz 13:03, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
(watching) If people stopped trying to tell admins their job and just got on with their own the whole thing would run much more smoothly. Admins don't need clerking. Half the time when it appears there's a backlog it's the result of timezone lags and will right itself soon enough after someone's first cup of coffee. And if people really want to clerk AIV, RPP they should tag the pages of editors who post completely out of process requests; but that won't happen as it requires a nuanced understanding of policy and its implementation, rather than just running to a drama board crying "Backlog." Davey2010's close should be taken as being by way of advice from an experienced editor rather than an invitation to a balloon debate. Imho of course. —SerialNumber54129 paranoia /cheap sh*t room13:11, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
@Hhkohh: probably because, as I said, many of them are a waste of time, and with more experience, you'll recognise them too. I removed a particularly egregious example myself. Perhaps re-focus your energies on article space rather than clerking the meta areas? —SerialNumber54129 paranoia /cheap sh*t room13:41, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
Serial Number 54129 I'm not sure what you mean by "balloon debate" but if you looked at the link I posted and the commentary, you would understand why I brought this up. You would also see that by the time I brought it to ANI, the backlog was extensive and dating back well over 24 hours, which is more than waiting for timezone delays to sort itself out. ... CJ [a Kiwi] inOz 13:21, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
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Richard Rohr OFM (born 1943, pictured at podium) is an American Franciscan friar ordained in 1970. He is a known inspirational speaker and has published numerous recorded talks and books.
Thank you for your help in editing the abella danger article. Someone took that extra photograph down for some reason.
One appearance should show her in casual and the other in formal attire. I have been trying to eliminate that talk session before the article.
If you know of any way to remove it, feel free to do so. If not, I understand. I'm not sure why it is even there to begin with.
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Hi Scenicview1, No worries, If there's no valid reasons to change images then they're reverted back :), As for the talk session - Could you explain what you mean as there's nothing in the article called "session" ?, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk18:34, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
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Hi, before I get into it, I was just wondering if there would be any chance that you could help me with a table/page issue? Thanks. Grangehilllover (talk) 23:24, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
Thank you. Well, I'm heavily involved in editing Ackley Bridge pages and I recently created List of Ackley Bridge characters and the current version has been done by an anonymous IP, who has stuck on citation tags to prove main characters when I've explained already the meanings of regular, recurring and guest and that in the credits, main characters are actually listed first and casting information is on the main and series pages. Is there anything wrong at all with this version I did after cutting down a bit [156] because I don't actually see character tables having the trouble the IP is creating. Grangehilllover (talk) 23:31, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
Hi Grangehilllover, Your version is absolutely correct and I shall revert them - Characters in tv shows don't need sourcing despite what the IP claims, Personally I would say the duration column should be removed as that's IMHO redundant to the Series 1/Series 2 columns, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk23:40, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
Hi, @Davey2010:, is it OK if I just let you know that the IP user is seemingly vandalising pages related to Ackley Bridge, for example removing characters off the table and redirecting the List of Ackley Bridge episodes pages, claiming it doesn't need it. Grangehilllover (talk) 10:41, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
Hi, Yeah that's fine :), I've never known an episode list to be redirected back to the parent article with the reasoning of "It doesn't need it"..... The list would be extremely long on the parent page!, Anyway I've obviously reverted so will see how it comes, Thanks for the heads up :), –Davey2010Talk10:52, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
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The only reason I can see that you and the other user are reverting my constructive edits is because you think you own the article. I will not be bullied into submission. My version of the table is clearer, more concise, easier to edit, in an actual order rather than random. I’ve removed the citation tags and duration column as per your comments. Please justify why you think it’s essential that multiple rows be included explaining every single relationship between every character on the show. It looks messy and is unnecessary. Also the actors should be next to the characters, not split across the table by the role column.
I redirected the list of episodes because it is such a short article and doesn’t require its own page. It fits just fine in the main article. I will just nominate it for deletion if I keep getting reverted. And I’m sure it will be deleted. 213.205.194.242 (talk) 10:58, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
I don't believe I own the article at all - Infact I've never watched the show so I would have no real reason to "own" it, I disagree I believe my/GHs version is more clean and precise, I agree inregards to the multiple row parts but again as I've not watched it I wasn't sure if it was more pivotal than them being a teacher or pupil if that makes sense .... If the show is exactly like Waterloo Road then no they shouldn't be included,
Inregards to the layout I'll move S1 and S 2 over so it looks like the WR table, Well that'd be POINTy and doesn't help
sorry I didn’t see your reply. The multiple rows are not needed, it’s overkill. It’s exactly like Waterloo Road and each relationship does not need to be listed. One row with semi colons separating their different “roles” is sufficient. 213.205.194.242 (talk) 11:21, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
In that case I'll remove those too bear with me and as I said PLEASE stop reverting as if I'm edit conflicting with you then that means I can't get this done, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk11:26, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
213.205.194.242 - Right I'm about to move the S1 and S2 columns - Please please don't touch the article as I could lose everything I'm about to do and if that happens I shan't be redoing it so please don't edit it still, Many thanks, –Davey2010Talk11:42, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
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Emily Alyn Lind
Ok so let me get this straight - you want a credible source proving she is 16? I could point out the fallacy in asking a teenager how old she is and accepting that as 100% fact. But proof I shall provide:
1. Her IMDB bio says that “At the age of five she played ‘Young Linda’ in Gaspar Noe’s “Enter the Void” and the following year was the red carpet darling when the film premiered at the Cannes Film Festival.” Enter the Void was released in 2010 so she was probably 7 or 8 at the time of the CFF.
2. This YouTube interview where Barbara says that she was on set with Natalie, 3, and Emily, 1. That set was One Tree Hill which started in 2003. So this proves that not only was Emily born in 2002 but also disproves that she was born in 2000 as the age difference between her and Natalie would be less than a year and not 2.
Hi RoboBongoCuckooCop, Well I was just about to point you to the talkpage but you've beaten me to it by a long mile! :), Having read the replies there it would certainly seem that see may of been trolling us after all .... As stupid as it may sound I like the rest here believed her ..... It's a shame tbh. –Davey2010Talk16:10, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
that’s ok Davey2010 yeah it was obvious to me that she was trolling. What 16 year old wouldn’t claim to be 18 haha. Still, it’s now been proven without a doubt! RoboBongoCuckooCop (talk) 16:17, 7 June 2018 (UTC)RoboBongoCuckooCop
Well alls I can say is thanks for spotting that as well as for going to the talkpage :), Exactly, Well RoboBongoCuckooCop you're more than welcome to reinstate your edits if you want or I'd imagine someone else will :), Many thanks, –Davey2010Talk16:41, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
Top-icon question
Not your usual question, Davey2010, but how did you get the "Email this user" as a top-icon? I've got a raging headache, so I'm sorry if it's something simple and I just failed to see it. Anyway, thank you in advance! — Javert2113 (talk; please ping me in your reply on this page) 00:44, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
Hi Javert2113, The topicon is just a template, If you copy this > {{email user | icon_nr = 8}} to the top of your userpage and then change the number it should move left or right I think ?, Hope that helps :), –Davey2010Talk01:18, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
Hello Davey
Hello Davey, are you well?. I witness the commotion and incident back at the Commons from about a week ago. I don't blame you stepping back due to the pressure and "drama". Other than that I hope you continue contributing on here and things get better from then. P.S. With one of your reverts with the Fiat Scudo, you were right in a way which is why I left it since I personally think I was being overly detailed. (I tend to be like that when it comes to different version of a vehicle) --Vauxford (talk) 10:49, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
Hi Vauxford, Yeah yeah I'm fine thanks :), I mean ANI here gets slated but it's nothing compared to over there - Over here it's more central and when you admit mistakes and state it shant happen again etc the whole discussion is closed and everyone moves on - Over there it's the complete opposite!,
Yeah yeah I always edit here even when all that commotion was going on :),
Ah no worries, I understand the logic in including it - I suppose if the badge made the front end noticably different then I would've agreed but to me as there as nothing relatively different I ... you know the rest lol,
I'd recommend that Davey take a break for a nice beverage of his choice while we wait for Maricotes to get blocked indefinitely; no need to let him troll you more. power~enwiki (π, ν) 00:13, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
Hi Kitkateey, Personally I don't think they are needed but others may disagree on that - You're more than welcome to go to the talkpage and seek consensus/opinions, Thanks. –Davey2010Talk16:34, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
Hi, Nope however an editor has since updated one article, Whether it's the correct one or not is another matter but I figured as there was no idefinfinitive answer to the HD question It was best to leave as is and allow others to flaff around with it :), Many thanks, 21:50, 11 June 2018 (UTC)~
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Hi — I am trying to update this Wikipedia page but I am new to Wikipedia and never meant to start an edit war with you. I just meant to improve the site. Is it possible to use my version for Lauren Wolkstein's page. It is most up-to-date. Thank you very much! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dstaebler (talk • contribs) 20:22, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
Hi, No I'm afraid not, You've had ample oppertunity to go to the talkpage and discuss this but instead you've continued to edit war, It's also worth noting you ignored the COI warning and continued editing that article regardless. –Davey2010Talk20:36, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
Ackley Bridge location
Remember when the episodes had to be merged because it had 8 episodes over 2 series? It couldn't have a page. Same with characters. I looked it up in manual of style for television and I've rooted around examples linked there and I am actually following it and it's OK and right. Grangehilllover (talk) 21:16, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
Hi, Including a main character list is fine but the table as well as the recurring and all that don't need to be included, Thanks,. –Davey2010Talk21:21, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
Hi, From my understanding they should only be on the main page if the list/table as a whole is short (the main characters should've been on the article in the first place), As the list/table in this case is long they're better off in a seperate article, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk22:05, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
Okie dokie I think technically they go in alphabetical order by character but not sure on that, Can't be bothered to go start searching articles so I'll leave it in your capable hands :), Many thanks, –Davey2010Talk22:34, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
This is from Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Television#Cast_and_characters_information on lists so you don't have to trail about: "cast listing should be ordered according to the original broadcast credits, with new cast members being added to the end of the list [...] articles should reflect the entire history of a series, and as such actors remain on the list even after their departure from the series [...] "main" cast members are determined by the series producers (not by popularity, screen time, or episode count) and generally have a set order in the credits, recurring and guest stars will not necessarily be credited in the same order in each episode in which they appear, so their place in the list should be based on the order of credits in the first episode that they appear." Grangehilllover (talk) 22:40, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
Sorry I meant I couldn't be bothered to find examples on articles (Izombie, Waterloo road, TWD etc), Happy editing :) –Davey2010Talk22:47, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
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"Rv blog - nothing wrong with the previous (now current) cite - Go to the talkpage if you disagree," really nothing wrong?? he removed fully acceptable archived ref and put instead poorly composed another ref instead. Next time you will get vandalizing warning if you do such reverts -->Typ932T·C21:41, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
I came across it by accident while chasing a a barge! Eastwoods had a brickfield Lower Halstow way- I wlinked it and checked the link. It redirected to nonsense. Obviously a stub was needed- I jumped in, switched the redirect, did the metastuff and just needed to write some text on brickfields- I don't let lack of knowledge stop me! On page 2 of Google this jumped out and hit me- never seen it before- but did write the Frindsbury article. It was not so much, I have been there- more a case of my house is built on top of that lot!
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Your language was uncalled for, whilst i didn't upload the picture of the two 800s, it has been up for months, the article in question keeps having its main image changed every 2 weeks, beforehand it was ridiculous, it was previously mention that if it kept happen, the main image would be removed.
I suggest you stop using foul language and keep pushing to put your own pictures (or pictures you prefer) on the page, this is a community and it should be discussed. If you speak to me like that again, or go changing the imagine again. I shall report you for violation. 194.75.22.91 (talk) 23:26, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
I would suggest you learn how to spell the word "image" before giving pathetic lectures, Also as per BRD the onus is on you (or whoever added that image) to seek consensus. –Davey2010Talk23:37, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
One again nastiness and abuse from you! And now you are pushing to keep your picture up on the page in question. Keep carrying on, its just more evidence to go against you. If you are a so called moderator, you would have put a stop to the constant photo changes a lot sooner, yet your just as bad. Its taken a complete outsider to raise attention to this yet again. Insult me all you like, its the truth and you don't like it. 194.75.22.91 (talk) 21:27, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
Hello Davey2010, I've just been looking at this, and the IP address in my opinion has done nothing wrong, I agree with them about the constant image change, I see you are requesting a consensus, if so why didn't you do this before changing the picture once again and starting a disagreement with (talk) You go on about following policy, yet I've also seen you have used swear words, bullying and intimidation tactics toward the user in question which goes against terms of use. I see no apology having been made so I strongly suggest you do this and control your temper before making nasty comments, it not only lowers yourself but the entire community.Gwrhst (talk) 21:46, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
@Gwrhst: I suspect your concerns about our community image would be taken more seriously if you didn't have "Wikipedia is full of idiots, who edit things for no reason, other than to be jobsworths and the big I am characters. Lets stop giving money to Wikipedia in the hope of hell it goes bankrupt" on your talk page. --NeilNtalk to me 21:53, 20 June 2018 (UTC) To be honest Neil, its the truth, I am more than happy to remove it if it offends you, but in my time on this page it has been a constant struggle to get things sorted, not in my interest, but for the benefit of anyone reading it.Gwrhst (talk) 21:55, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
I was reinstating an image that was used since March this year however I was unaware of the frequency change otherwise I myself would've gone to the talkpage, I feel myself and the IP were in the wrong in this case - Me for changing the image and the IP for not going to the talkpage after reverting, As for that comment - That was explained at the help desk. –Davey2010Talk22:01, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
92.19.31.192 - Those IPs are in the 86. range so it's very unlikely this IP is related to them, Unless you're trying to Subtly trying to say that I'm Devonexpressbus/his sock .... which if you are would be utter rubbish in very polite terms, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk17:49, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
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Can you clarify why you archived a section barely 10 days old in a talk page already handled by miszaBot and configured to archive after 91 days?[168] --Nemo05:45, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
There's no harm in archiving talkpages and I was unaware of it being handled by a hot - The vast majority of talkpages aren't handled hence the archiving - As for that section the IP wouldn't have taken a week and a half to read a reply but if arguements sake they do (unlikely) then they can find their reply in the archives, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk12:00, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
There is a harm in archiving messages which may be of interest and do no harm on the main talk page. Please educate yourself about the practices around archival at Help:Archiving a talk page. --Nemo14:54, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
@Davey2010: nust we really keep this talk page entirely clear of discussion? It seems unusual that my edit request was put away after only 4 days. Personally, unless there is disruption or extraordinary cause, I see no need to interfere with the automatic robot archiving schedule that has been set by consensus here of 30 days. It is very helpful for me as an editor when I arrive on a talk page and find a few recent discussions already presented to me for context. This is important context before I attempt to edit the article!!! It is much more difficult and onerous to expect us to go groveling through archives looking for simple context before we make an edit (or request) to an article. 2600:8800:1880:91E:5604:A6FF:FE38:4B26 (talk) 18:40, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
I've reinstated your post above, As you didn't reply for 4-5 days I took that as you not being bothered or had no desire to continue the discussion so figured it may aswell be archived, Talkpages can be archived if there is no discussion - As my archivings ranged from June 2017-June 2018 I would consider my archivings to be fine, Thanks. –Davey2010Talk19:13, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
It is not my specific request that I am addressing here, it is your generally aggressive archiving against WP:CONSENSUS. Wikipedia:ARCHIVENOTDELETE says you can archive if the page grows over 75KB, or there are "multiple resolved or stale discussions". Neither of those conditions were met when you activated OneClickArchiver. The consensus for archiving this page was 30 days by Miszabot. I am asking you to respect that consensus, unless you can garner sufficient approval for aggressive immediate archiving of every single thread as soon as you think it is finished. (And that latter point is a very subjective issue which I would personally not trust any single person to determine without clear-cut criteria such as those given to Miszabot.) 2600:8800:1880:91E:5604:A6FF:FE38:4B26 (talk) 19:21, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
@Davey2010: furthermore, I notice in your recent contributions that you are using OneClickArchiver on multiple talk pages to keep them entirely "clean" of discussion. This cannot be WP:CONSENSUS of all participants. I ask you to stop and achieve consensus through discussion before you continue this aggressive use of manual archiving. 2600:8800:1880:91E:5604:A6FF:FE38:4B26 (talk) 19:23, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
There is no specific time limit for posts remaining here, If a post gets no attention/becomes stale for a whole year then there's no point in that post remaining on the talkpage ...., Exactly the timeframe is 30 days yet I had archived posts dating back to June last year so clearly the bot wasn't working as required,
Like I said I agree my archiving of your post was a tad too soon but the rest appear to be fine and I wouldn't say they were aggressive either - If there is an active discussion then I obviously leave that be .... but if there are months-years old posts that have become stale then yes they should be archived and as such I will continue archiving on talkpages especially where on those where the bot set up is non-existent but in short like I said I agree my archiving of the above post was too soon, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk19:35, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
Looking through my contributions I would say overall my arhcivings have been fine however I do agree a few are being archiving a bit too early and as such I should leave a month to 3 months worth on the talkpages which I'll start doing from this point forward, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk19:43, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
Recent edits on Scottish constituency pages
Hi,
I notice you've reverted 13 of my edits, which I had reverted to their original status based on a consensus of 4-1 pending further discussion on the Edinburgh Central talk page.
Could you please explain these changes and whether or not it would be appropriate for them to stay in place?
Hi, Apologies for the rollback - I get that "rollback" confused with the twinkle "rollback" .... (The Twinkle version would've had an edit summary), Anyway there wasn't really any consensus for inclusion- if anything there was consensus to delete but as I said an RFC would be better, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk15:20, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
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You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Talk:Nicki Minaj. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.
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No worries KJP1 :), It was nice of you to keep on top of it for them but I just thought having a bot do it would give you a much needed break :), Thanks, –Davey2010Talk21:00, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
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Hi ★Trekker, Thanks so much :), Nice to have you back - Hope you're okay now mate, If you ever need help let me know & I'll do my best to help you, Take care, Dave. 11:58, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
No worries, You're lucky I'd only just logged on and the first thing/most recent on it was you removing huge chunks from your TP :), Had it happened hours earlier then I probably wouldn't have seen it, ANyway no worries :), Thanks, –Davey2010Talk13:06, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
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