User talk:DMH223344

June 2024

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war. This means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be although other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

Points to note:

  1. Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made;
  2. Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

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You are repeatedly removing sourced, long-standing content from Israeli-Palestinian conflict, despite being reverted for it. We don't force our views on others instead of gaining consensus. Doing this again and again, while even incoporating incivil comments as you did here ("thoughtless"), is disruptive. Please stop and gain consensus for your controversial deletions. HaOfa (talk) 15:56, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No concrete points have been brought against my specific edits. Please raise them and bring sources, otherwise you're WP:NOTHERE DMH223344 (talk) 16:00, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
When removing long-standing, sourced material, it is the remover's responsibility to gain consensus for their actions. I see you continue to remove material anyway. These removals have been reverted multiple times now. I ask you again to stop. HaOfa (talk) 16:04, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's interesting that your revert of my work has a summary of −13,428 characters. Please be serious. DMH223344 (talk) 16:07, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

July 2024

This edit is unacceptable for two reasons: it directly contradicts the provided reliable sources, and rewrites history. If you're not sufficiently familiar with the history of the Jewish people (who have been described as an ethnos or nation centuries and possibly millennia before Zionism), consider editing other topics instead. Per WP:CIR, please try to improve your editing. HaOfa (talk) 06:32, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Clarification of EC rules

Non EC users are explicitly allowed to submit edit requests to a talk page, just fyi 174.247.81.139 (talk) 20:59, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you weren't being needlessly snarky you'd likely get a better response. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 21:01, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Thanks,

Red-tailed hawk (nest) 18:17, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Contentious topics: post-1992 American politics

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Notice of Arbitration Enforcement noticeboard discussion

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I mentioned you in my statement. IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 22:29, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

sorry, i find these things incomprehensible. What is happening here? Is the daniel guy trying to get you banned from the topic area for violating 1rr? DMH223344 (talk) 22:42, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Contentious topics: Arab–Israeli conflict

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One of the rules (and this showed up on your screen when you edited Zionism) is that you get to revert once every 24 hours. Drmies (talk) 02:09, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • I saw you removed the NPOV tag I put on Zionism. I don't think it's kosher to remove the tag while there are extensive and robust discussions, seconded and thirded and fourthed, about the NPOV issues. However, I'm not sure how consensus required intersects with the tag. I would assume that consensus required doesn't mean that challenging a tag means that the tag need an affirmative consensus, but maybe it does. Either way though, since I just dropped 17k bytes on the talk, mostly of quotes, could you kindly restore the NPOV tag? Andre🚐 00:01, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Incomplete short form references in Zionism

Hi DMH223344. You added two sets of broken references to the Zionism article. The first was "Shafir 1996" in this edit[1], and the second was "Cleveland 2010" in this edit[2]. Short form references such as those created by {{sfn}} are just hyperlinks to full cites elsewhere in the article, the are not valid references on their own. See the template documentation. Could you add the required cites to the Zionism#Works cited section of the article. You may not be able to see the errors you are causing, as they are off by default. You can turn them on by following the instructions here Category:Harv and Sfn template errors. If you're have any questions please just ask. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested «@» °∆t° 19:29, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for this tip, i hadn't caught that. I will fix it asap. DMH223344 (talk) 19:31, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also, what does "Just realised these sae references not a book, they require page number or similar" mean? The cited Gorny ref is a book, so I'm confused by this edit summary. DMH223344 (talk) 19:35, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry that's just gibberish!! I meant to say "Just realised these references are from a book" not "Just realised these sae references not a book". -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested «@» °∆t° 19:49, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

“why delete this instead of put it in quotes?”

Hey, i did actually do that in the other article iirc and they still removed it and deleted the revision Stephan rostie (talk) 17:34, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

weird, deleted revision? in any case, lets see what happens now DMH223344 (talk) 17:47, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Blocked from editing Zionism

To enforce an arbitration decision, and for violating the one-revert rule at Zionism (revert 1 & revert 2) after previous warnings, you have been blocked temporarily from editing that article. You are welcome to edit once the block expires; however, please note that the repetition of similar behavior may result in a longer block or other sanctions.

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Callanecc (talkcontribslogs) 01:13, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Callanecc (talkcontribslogs) 01:13, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The 1RR violation was due to this edit? https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zionism&oldid=1250116799
The editor whose change i reverted approved of my edit (see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DMH223344#%E2%80%9Cwhy_delete_this_instead_of_put_it_in_quotes?%E2%80%9D)
Fine to get blocked for a week since anyway I am focused on other things, but this seems a bit brutal, no? DMH223344 (talk) 01:25, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Callanecc I should ask you though, am I still allowed to participate in talk page discussions? DMH223344 (talk) 01:26, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You've already been warned twice in a few months about edit warring and 1RR in this topic area so I would expect that you are being very careful. That does not seem to be the case. Yes, it's only a block from directly editing the Zionism article so you can still edit the talk page and discussions elsewhere. Callanecc (talkcontribslogs) 01:43, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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...to sign you edit at Talk:Israel#Discussion_(RfC), cheers, Huldra (talk) 23:35, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

thank you, signed DMH223344 (talk) 00:09, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Cite missing from Zionism

Hi DMH223344. You added a short form reference for "Goldberg 2009" to Zionism, but there is no matching cite in the article. Could you add the required cite to the sources section. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested «@» °∆t° 17:15, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Dershowitz

I'm curious about this comment. Can you explain further? Is this info already on wikipedia? VR (Please ping on reply) 22:07, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, sorry about the uninformative comment. Basically Dershowitz's book The Case for Israel is widely understood to be fraudulent and largely plagiarized from another fraudulent book, From Time Immemorial by Joan Peters. DMH223344 (talk) 22:10, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The discussion about editing the "Zionism" page

Hi, I would like to continue the discussion I started on the "Zionism" Talk page - in the hindsight it was a mistake on my part to start it there, because it was misinterpreted at some sort of personal attack against you, which wasn't my intention at all.

The correct thing would have been to write to you personally here, and I apologize for not doing it from the start.

I understand that there is no policy limiting the number or frequency of edits you, or any other editor for that matter, can make on a certain page, but like I said previously, the WP:CAUTIOUS editing policy requires that major changes are discussed first on article's talk page, before making the edit.

I realize that sometimes WP:BRD is considered to be one of possible strategies for seeking consensus, but I believe it becomes less effective, when the volume of edits is as high as yours. DancingOwl (talk) 14:29, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The WP:CAUTIOUS section is about providing explanations for edits, not about reducing the amount of editing. Editors are much more likely to engage with edits made to the article directly than with discussions on the talk page, and it's often much easier for everyone to discuss real edits rather than proposed edits on the talk page.
It really shouldnt take much time to review the edits made to that page, either daily or weekly (I understand not everyone makes the time to check daily). One option open to you is to revert a large group of edits which are difficult for you to review closely but that you find questionable, and to insist on a discussion, although I don't know if that violates policy (I have not tried that before). You could also try posting a discussion without performing a revert (that sounds more in line with policy). Sorry if this is obvious and unhelpful. DMH223344 (talk) 18:57, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You are right that WP:CAUTIOUS doesn't talk about the volume of editing, but it does say:

Be cautious about making a major change to an article. Prevent edit warring by discussing such edits first on the article's talk page.

And I realize that apparently my intention wasn't clear enough in the beginning, so perhaps I should clarify that I don't consider the large volume of edits per se to be a problem in any way - my only concern is that some of those edits include major changes to the article, and when the editing volume is high, it's getting more difficult to differentiate between such edits, which are better to be discussed prior to making a change, and the bulk of the changes, which are less likely to be controversial.
I just finished a big project, so will have more time to dedicate to editing now, hopefully also including a daily review of edits, but I would really appreciate it if you could be mindful of this concern as well. DancingOwl (talk) 09:58, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@DancingOwl, multiple editors have stated to you that you are off the mark. I'd suggest dropping this. TarnishedPathtalk 10:15, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It was explicitly suggested to me by one of the other editors to discuss this here, and I took your and other editors' comments into account, and made sure that my comments here are strictly policy-based, so I really don't understand why you insist on trying to silence me, especially when me and @DMH223344 are conducting a mutually respectful discussion. DancingOwl (talk) 10:39, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
No one is trying to silence you. TarnishedPathtalk 10:51, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It sure feels like it, when I did exactly what was suggested to me and took this discussion here, but you still come after me and keep telling me to "drop it".
Look, I really respect you and appreciate all the help I got from you in the past, but I think you're crossing the line into a outright policing here and it's really out of place. DancingOwl (talk) 11:01, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Mate, I made a suggestion. Nothing else. TarnishedPathtalk 11:20, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 

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