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@162 etc.: The Denbighshire one at Commins seems to just be "Commins"[1] so I've removed the "Commins Coch" from that article so I don't think disambiguation of that article is needed and Commins Coch probably doesn't either as there is also Comins Coch, Ceredigion (which may sometimes be "Commins Coch") and perhaps if the Denbighshire one is also sometimes "Commins Coch" though I can't find any evidence of that. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:22, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
Thanks for your page moves and redirection of settlements clashing with plurals. That seems more useful than fixing a few wikilinks, which would have appeared on the disambiguation reports as a result of your work anyway. I've edited WP:BPAT to add a few more which had stray links. Other interesting places include Mutters (near Natters), Pals, Reps, Rots, Sitters and Tresses. Certes (talk) 01:42, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
Glees v Glee (music), Lodes v Lode, Louvres v Louvre (window), Plats v Plat, Laps v Lap, Merinos v Merino are single and plural equivalences so the place clearly isn't primary per WP:PLURALPT and these now go to DABs though a case could probably be made to go to the singular but the current situation is better that the old one. Raids also needs moving, Sees should probably go to See, Vats is not primary. Dangers moved because of the band at least.
Unsure:
Premières probably should be moved given "premières" (with the diacritic) appears at Premiere and even if the plural isn't translated much it probably is sometimes. "Binges" only appears once in Binge drinking and PLURALPT seems to suggest we give less weight to such uses that aren't nouns. Bourguignons v Bourguignon, the grape and horse may be enough to move. Brickfields v Brickfield, I have started a RM. Claviers, not clear how often the things listed at Clavier are "clavier(s)". Confines, Confine also goes to a place but probably the singular should at least be moved. Ebbs, not clear if Ebb tide is also "Ebbs". Reps, Rep (fabric) says its "Reps". Rots, not a noun but can be past tense. Sitters, are babysitters often called just "sitter(s)"? I don't think so. Tresses, the genus Spiranthes at Tresse is countable.
Left as is, no singular and plural equivalence, several places called "Leer" and 1 "Leers", WP:SMALLDETAILS no ambiguity
Moving will prevent future incorrect links and even if there wasn't any they may have been fixed in the past or editors may remember/check the location of articles but the main thing is even if only a small percentage search with plurals it will still surprise them being taken to an obscure settlement. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:49, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
Thanks for all that and for helping to tidy up the links. Apologies for being too lazy to do it myself, but I doubt that I'd have done as good a job. Some words are more common as third person singular verbs ("he natters") than plurals, but we tend not to link, or name articles for, verbs.
@Certes:fr:Bourguignons is about the party and Google results for "Bourguignons" mainly return Coteaux Bourguignons though the place is 1st. I wouldn't worry too much about being lacy, you have still improved the encyclopedia by fixing the links but the biggest problem is searchers landing on the wrong place. Crouch, Swale (talk) 22:43, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
@Certes: Thanks, I was pretty sure it needed moving but not 100% though. When you use DisamAssist do you sometimes get it where it stops after the ambiguous redirect (in these cases plural ones)? Meaning you can't fix any links. Crouch, Swale (talk) 20:57, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
DisamAssist sometimes pauses for a minute or two but does recover. I think it is initiating an edit on each article which links via a template such as {{Aube communes}}, observing that the article itself doesn't contain "[[Bourguignons]]" or similar, and abandoning the edit. (That's necessary; a few articles contain both the template and an explicit wikilink.) I did notice that DisamAssist missed a few links to Bourguignons today (which I've fixed manually). I haven't noticed that before, but it may be due to the pages only having linked to the dab for a few minutes and some cache being outdated. Certes (talk) 21:06, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
I waited something like 15 minutes with Raid DAB and tried the next day but it still wasn't working, yes it sometimes pauses but not for that long. Crouch, Swale (talk) 21:10, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
I've also checked gerunds. Mailing should probably move: six out of eight links were for mail (or debatably overlinking); at the very least it needs a hatnote! Otherwise, I found a few words to unlink but nothing worth moving. (Did you know... that Garage doors are prone to Denting?) I don't want to risk swinging the opposite way: even looking at just your neck of the woods, editors regularly fail to link settlements such as Ham, Sandwich, Rye and Ore. Certes (talk) 21:47, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
I've moved Mailing, Fuchuan County and fixed its incoming links. I don't think we have enough entries for a dab, so the best treatment I can think of is to retarget the new redirect Mailing to Mail and add a {{redirect}} hatnote mentioning the Chinese town. I'm less sure about moving Denting: the best replacement target I can find is Damage#Damage to objects which isn't very helpful, so the French commune may actually be the winning target out of a field of one. Certes (talk) 23:19, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
@Certes: Thanks, I've redirected Mailing as you have suggested and linked it at Mail (disambiguation) since there are several hatnotes already. As noted from GeoNames there are several other places called "Mailing" and zh:麦岭镇 (襄城县) seems to be another. I'm less sure about Denting as well, we don't have anything that really would be more than a DICDEFF for it similar to Nice not really matching with Kindness since "nice" cane mean anything good like nice food rather than just kindness. Dent is a DAB page and Dents is about a company but it doesn't really seem like "denting" has an encyclopedic usage. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:58, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
I've polished off West Yorkshire: neither of them seemed to merit an article on their own, but they are now both redirecting to principal settlement, with added content there ... as ever, took longer than one might expect because while I was there I found a VisionofBritain link to add, updated an out of date 2011 census link, etc (see my recent contribution record). The Huntwick etc one is odd, I can't trace a parish council and the Wakefield election documentation seems to refer to it as a subdivision of Nostell Parish, so I've left it at that. But linked from Foulby and from Huntwick, etc. I might pick off a few more parishes over time. I gave the redirects Category:Civil parishes in West Yorkshire. Wintersett is a bit odd as it claims to be a civil parish, but searching NOMIS for the pub's postcode comes up with the Huntwick etc parish! Oh I think I'll go and tweak it too. Then need to get on with some real life. PamD11:10, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
Hmm: OS map shows "Wintersett CP". Have already edited it, will trust NOMIS. What do you reckon is the definitive source for CPs? PamD11:22, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Thanks PamD, they probably will at some point get separate articles but redirecting now is fine. The definable source for verifying a parish (currently) exists I'd say is normally the Ordnance Survey Linked Data which shows "Wintersett" as a parish and "Huntwick with Foulby and Nostell" as one but not "Huntwick". That said the date for when a parish was formed/abolished would be from a source stating a date such as an order LGBCE lists, for example April 2019 for when Thrimby was abolished even if the OS takes a while to update, once it updates we assume its been created/abolished but I wouldn't make any changes until then but once the OS shows we go by the date the source says. Note that NOMIS doesn't generally provide figures for parishes less than 100 people probably to protect privacy, the site says its been updated but you should get a message saying date isn't provided. I can't fine any evidence Wintersett has been abolished and UKBMD doesn't mention so while it does for Thrimby. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:38, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
And looking at its borders led me to Ombersley and Doverdale - where ONS doesn't seem to know about the new name, though its map does, and the parish council tell us the parishes merged in 1973. I've believed the PC, but it's all a bit flaky. OS shows the two distinct parishes. Hmm, maybe this is why these parishes have been left till last... messy, dubious, etc. PamD18:26, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
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Hi! I don't usually remove redlinks but the chances of an article at Preston, Northumberland seem vanishingly small, at least they do to me, and I did previously take that one out of the Preston Tower, Northumberland article. Wikipedia:Red link does have plenty to say on it ... so no, I am not exactly saying we should not have this article but I do feel it's rather implausible that it will ever exist ... it is such a minute place, and of course the Tower, which seems nowadays to be its main feature, is already covered. I won't remove it again if you feel it should stay: it's just that I am having difficulty seeing what our article on Preston would ever be and where its sources are. But maybe I am simply wrong and there is enough there – in both senses, at the place and in references – and it will be fine. I would love to know your view. With all good wishes DBaK (talk) 17:32, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
Wow, and wow again! That is amazing – thanks! I had no idea that it could be possible to put something together like that. Thank you so much. You have more than made your point. Next time I am around there I will see if any other photo is possible, but that is a counsel of perfection – the Tower is fine anyway. Thanks again and all good wishes DBaK (talk) 20:37, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
And while I was there I updated the census info links for the two constituent parishes. (Yes, I think it's useful - adds an upper bound to the population of the village if we know that the whole parish is 422 (ie pop of this village is <422); just needs to be spelled out to avoid misleading the careless reader.) I wonder just how many dead links there are to the pre-NOMIS version of the census? Now there's a useful project you could take up perhaps? There must be thousands of those dead links scattered around UK parish / village / town etc articles. PamD10:24, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
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Hi, you do a phenomenal amount of work with placenames, and I always try to help with the moves you request. I was wondering, sometimes you request moves where the target is a redlink. When the target is a redlink, and the move is clearly uncontroversial, is there anything keeping you from doing the move yourself? Just trying to understand. Dr. Vogel (talk) 17:36, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
Ah, ok. I'm sorry to hear that. I hardly ever disagree with any of the requests you make. I hope the situation gets resolved soon. Dr. Vogel (talk) 17:46, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
I have found a relative of my wife on ancestory.com with a connection to Edwardstone, Gregory Alston of Edwardstone (born 1546 Edwardstone death 1630 Edwardstone) would this info for the village be useful. 82.132.244.95 (talk) 14:56, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
Hello, I received your message on my talk page about missing parishes, I however do not and have never lived in any of the counties with missing parishes but I’m still more than happy to make articles for all of them. Also I’ve got a question, how would I go about joining Wikiprojects?N1TH Music (talk) 13:38, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
Hi, I've undone a couple of your recent edits regarding this individual. There was a long RM discussion (which you participated in) that established that he is the primary topic, and the current primary redirect is justified. Thanks! 162 etc. (talk) 16:43, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
@162 etc.: There was a consensus that the gridiron football was not primary for "Willie Foster" but there doesn't appear to have been a consensus that the baseball was primary and disambiguation is probably best as there are at least 3 choices. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:18, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
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Yes, I only got round to including the template for localities with over a population over about 2000 when I created it, so everything below Cardross on this list (click the third column to sort by population) needs adding. I'll make a start this week, but any help would be appreciated as it's rather tedious work. PinkPanda272 (talk/contribs) 11:40, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
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Hi! Just thought I'd drop by to clarify that the VPP proposal does not outline specific criteria (e.g. merging pages with x information), it is just proposing to create such a section in the future and discuss specifics at a follow up RfC. There are dozens of geo categories (e.g. transport network infrastructure, population areas, etc.) and discussing them all at once seemed like a bad idea so this RfC is about whether NGEO would benefit from a NOPAGE section at all. A. C. Santacruz ⁂ Please ping me!16:36, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
@A. C. Santacruz: Thanks, it looked like such a proposal but since my comment is "Partial oppose" it should be understood. My understanding for the vast majority of settlements (as opposed to census tracts or abadi) that have census data there will be other coverage anyway and if not its still fine to have a separate article. Yes we may not presume all settlements are notable (there are still a lot of people who think all settlements are automatically notable) but surely settlements with census data can generally be automatically notable. Also what do you make of my essay Wikipedia:Separate articles for administrative divisions to settlements? Crouch, Swale (talk) 16:45, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
I'm not an expert in the topic area but I like your essay's efforts towards providing some guidance on this topic area. It's hard to try and create some more nuance in a topic area so often dominated by binary choices in AFDs. A. C. Santacruz ⁂ Please ping me!16:50, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
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Hi Crouch Swale, you changed the lead of Stanhope from town to village yet you do know that it has a town hall and Durham Gov refers to Stanhope as a market town? May I ask why you changed that? As I saw no reason given? Thanks DragonofBatley (talk) 20:29, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
I can't see anything to confirm village status for Stanhope...I found this on a site I can't seem to open but it reads here "Stanhope was granted a market charter in 1421, however, over the years this market lapsed." From here typing in Stanhope Market Charter.
Apart from making citation quicker and easier, i guess the big advantage will be when census21 comes out. Copy, paste, change one figure, done. Except where the code changes, which in most cases it won't. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 19:00, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
I've updated the 2 links to the park to Lewsey Park (park) for now, and will move the suburb to Lewsey Park. If you write an article about the park, we can always move it again, assuming the suburb will not be primary. Hope that's ok. Station1 (talk) 17:47, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
@Station1: Thanks, that's fine, as you can see with Ramridge End there doesn't appear to be any other uses but with Lewsey Park the park its self may be notable but the suburb can be at the base name until its written at least. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:49, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
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Hi Crouch, Swale hope your doing okay. Would you mind doing a quick check of the new Borough of Warrington and see if it passes the scopes and other checks as there are tons of civil parishes in the borough (Except Warrington itself). I might get rep for creating it without a consensus but I would argue just like Slough and Chesterfield. Warrington has strong grounds for a separate article as there is also a town council for Birchwood and many civil parishes like Lymm, Stockton Heath, and Culcheth. Please let me know if you think it could be improved or should be debated? I don't want to appear to be WP: Canvassing, just asking for you to look as if you are quite active on these pages as we know. Cheers Crouch, Swale DragonofBatley (talk) 00:53, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
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Hi there mate, I've done the moves that you requested. I've also collected all the links I was able to find, and put them at Old Vicarage (which I think could use some tidying, but I'm not sure what the best form for it to take would be). And perhaps we should also redirect The Old Vicarage to it. Dr. Vogel (talk) 12:47, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
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