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User talk:Cplakidas/Archive 10
Thank you, thank you VERY much for your copyedit. You've fixed my horrible grammar, the article is readable now! :) Seriously, this is good, I've nominated the article for DYK so it's good that someone fixed my awful writing. :p Thanks again, I really appreciate it!. --TIAYN (talk) 16:06, 2 March 2011 (UTC) RE: Brezhnev EraThanks; I may have created them, but without editors like you my articles would be partially unreadable. So again, thanks! I'll take a look at the policy-section, there still are a lot of issues with the article, seeing that I wrote this article in a very short-time span. If you see any other problems with the article please leave a note on my talk page! :) --TIAYN (talk) 16:54, 2 March 2011 (UTC) QuestionHallo Constantine, I have a question for you, this time not about the City. Do you know a reliable source about the genocide of the Pontus Greeks? I read some standard works about Greek history (Clogg, Smith), but they write nothing about it. Cheers, Alex2006 (talk) 14:20, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
DYK for Momchil
Orlady (talk) 18:03, 4 March 2011 (UTC) VilayetPlease respond to this discussion.--— ZjarriRrethues — talk 17:16, 6 March 2011 (UTC) !!! Regarding BYZANTINE Aristocracy and BureaucracyWhy have you deleted all mention of the atested dignities of Prinkips, Kleisourachis and Akritas? I think their existance should somehow be written into the current article. Omulurimaru (talk) 06:34, 7 March 2011 (UTC)  You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template. George PetalotisWikipedia does not follow transliteration rules, it follows most common usage in English-language literature, no matter how ridiculous it is. There are two government sources for George, and not much else on the web (except for wiki echoes). Thus please have a look for reliable sources, and if not found, move it back. Materialscientist (talk) 11:04, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
EON/CoAHi. You seem to know quite a bit about this, so your help is appreciated. I am a bit confused as to the use of this. Even though it appears on caps of members of EON, it (or something extremely similar?) also appears on the podeum of the parliament, here and here, although in these two versions it appears to be that the laural-and-axe is within the shield and topped with a crown, hunging from the wall here and naturally on the flag of EON. Taking into consideration that Metaxas had disbanded all parties and was not in one himself, I believe it is safe to assume that the symbol of EON had official use within his regime. Any more on this? --
Thomas the SlavHi Constantine, I'll be sure to have an in-depth look at the article tonight. From a brief overview, it looks pretty impressive. I'm also torn as to whether you should split the Rebellion section into a separate article, I'll have to read the whole thing thoroughly before I can offer some kind of advice. I'll post back when I've got any comments. Best, — Toдor Boжinov — 11:18, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
NewsletterWe can also include information about the ongoing reviews, nominations (ga, fa), specific 'what to do' tasks, that are already mentioned on wp:gr noticeboard. I've though about the creation of a 'Greek history' task force, which can be included as a future idea.Alexikoua (talk) 18:30, 13 March 2011 (UTC) Hellenic NomarchySince you are already aware of the article, is it possible to take a look at the ga nomination, there are some c-e issues to be solved.Alexikoua (talk) 18:31, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
Aristotelous SquareHey, thanks for reviewing the article. I'm studying architecture and I did my Extended Essay on the redesign of Thessaloniki after the fire of 1917, so I have quite a bit of bibliography on it. I'm used to working with Harvard-style referencing, I'll work on replacing the current referencing on the article with what you have suggested. What else do you think can be added to the article for it to go GA? -- The Aegean is movingHallo Constantine Sorry to disturb you again, but your knowledge is required. :-) Since some days the articles about Kastelorizo, Aegean Sea, etc., are under attack. More and more people are moving Kastelorizo from the eastern Mediterranean to the Aegean or, as alternative, is extending the Aegean until Kastelorizo. At the beginning I thought about good faith edits, but now I am becoming increasingly suspicious, that this is only another part of the never ending Greece – Turkey saga. :-) Do you know if lately anything (in politics) happened, which could explain this edits? Cheers, Alex2006 (talk) 08:31, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
Byzantine staurotheca and lipsanothecaEmail's out. Gun Powder Ma (talk) 10:34, 17 March 2011 (UTC) The Bugle: Issue LX, February 2011
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TalkbackMessage added 07:57, 21 March 2011 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template. Battle of BoulgarophygonGreetings again! Can you look through the article battle of Boulgarophygon? Except for the usual grammatical or style mistakes you might find, my main concern is the following - about the exchange of prisoners and return of 120,000? Byzantines (which some authors place before the battle and some as a result of the ensuing peace treaty) as well as the return of 30 fortresses in Albania which some authors mention, some do not. I have not mentioned any of them because I think you would find their most appropriate place, not me. I expect you don't have too much time for that, so do it whenever you can. And if you find some more time, can you take a look in those two articles - [1] and [2]? As you know, I think your review on medieval Bulgarian articles is needed because of your deep knowledge and interest in Byzantology and therefore you are simply better prepared than a random reviewer... Regards, --Gligan (talk) 12:44, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
Categories for discussion nomination of Category:Byzantine diplomacyCategory:Byzantine diplomacy, which you created, has been nominated for discussion. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. Pichpich (talk) 15:07, 25 March 2011 (UTC) WPGR newsletterHi Kosta. How are you? I hope everything is well with you. Good job on the newsletter! Very informative and well done. Thank you for the copy. Take care. Dr.K. λogosπraxis 18:59, 29 March 2011 (UTC) Sorry about the toneI didn't mean to come off as aggressive and your response clarified everything up for me. However, in regards with common belief that writing in caps on the internet is equivalent to yelling I simply do not agree with this convention and I think whoever came up with it didn't think too much about it. First off, why would I need to yell on the internet? Second, I'm writing not talking if I needed to "sound" aggressive I would know how to express that in writing, with words, because that's what we do here, we write we don't talk. So the whole thing makes no sense to me. Therefore I use caps in lieu of bolding a piece of text. (Think about it if I were actually talking to you, would it have made any sense for me to yell "BYZANTINE" in "Regarding BYZANTINE Aristocracy and Bureaucracy"? Would that occur in any real conversation, unless I were truly mental, which I hope I'm not... But again, you counldn't have known that so again, I'm trully sorry. Besides, the exclamation points were a bit too much I admit. (I was just trying to get your attention, sorry) However the bad news is that I will continue to use caps as bolding because it makes sense to me and I hope you'll learn to deal with it, expecially since I'm very interested in Byzantine topics. If anyone wants to have me banned for such a trivial thing they can go right ahead, either way I'm not going to blindly follow such a stupid convention. Why would anyone wanna yell on the internet since we're writing and not speaking? That's it: i'm an old-fashioned strongheaded bastard.
Learning Byzantine GreekHi Cplakidas. How are you doing? I have a question for you considering that you seem to be very knowledgeable on Byzantine and Greek affairs. I want to expand my linguistic capabilities in Ancient/Byzantine Greek but since my means are very simple I would like to know what advice you would give short of me studying abroad in Greece or Cyprus. Are there any teach yourself books that you are familiar with, as well as Greek-English dictionaries, that I can consult so I can learn how to read and then translate into English and other languages? Thanks. Best, --Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 19:02, 1 April 2011 (UTC) Oh, no, that's not a problem. Your answer, does, however, lead me to another question: is learning the reading simple for the newcomer? And how much more different does modern Greek differ from it?--Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 23:04, 3 April 2011 (UTC) Byzantine civil war of 1341–1347Hi, just to let you know that the copyedit you requested on this article is now complete. All feedback welcome. ► Philg88 ◄
"Stable Version" (Thomas the Slav)As per your request, a "Stable Version" for Thomas the Slav has been created. If you have any further requests, feel free to contact me. And as always, please continue making good faith contributions. Thank you. No. 108 (talk) 17:02, 7 April 2011 (UTC) LarissaHaha, I saw you tried to ease the pain and introduced a new number: 190.000. Just curious and asking: what is the Larissa M. Area and where did the number came from. Thanks-Yangula (talk) 22:08, 8 April 2011 (UTC) About Saint Hipomoni or Hypomone or Saint Patience or Helena Dragaš or Helena Dragasi - Palaiologos (the same name!)Dear Mr Cplakidas. I didn't realize that the article Saint Hipomoni already existed as Helena Dragas, as I was trying to create a new one. I let it as it is, however you should tell me from the very first (from yesterday) that it already exist. I did not realize it already exist, because her name in Greek is Heleni Dragasi Paleologos, so I guess that the one who wrote the article is a Slave. As you can see there is a problem on having the name in english. I saw today that you erased the article Saint Patience (Saint Hipomoni), but I made it again (as saint Hipomoni) because I thought that the only problem was that I translated the name in the text as Saint Patience, however I had it with that name because many on google asked about who is Saint Patience! Please next time be more specific by sending me a message. Sometimes it is difficult to find if someone else has written the same article.688dim (talk) 10:14, 14 April 2011 (UTC) Thought you may have heard of him and be interested in adding a bit.♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:41, 16 April 2011 (UTC) In the Latin naming in the lead, what is the reason "i" is used in place of "j" in for example "Traianus"? I understood we were using modern Latin which is why "u" is in place of "v". But in modern Latin "j" would be in place of "i" in this instance. Right?--Tataryn77 (talk) 22:14, 20 April 2011 (UTC) I've reviewed the article and left notes on the talk page. I've put the nomination on hold for seven days to allow the issues to be addressed. Feel free to contact me on my talk page, here, or on the article talk page with any concerns, and let me know one of those places when the issues have been addressed. If I may suggest that you strike out, check mark, or otherwise mark the items I've detailed, that will make it possible for me to see what's been addressed, and you can keep track of what's been done and what still needs to be worked on. Ealdgyth - Talk 16:10, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
I've completed the GA review and I've noted only one issue that needs to be dealt with before the article can be listed. The review is now on hold for seven days. Malleus Fatuorum 14:33, 25 April 2011 (UTC) GA review of Thomas the Slav......completed, on hold, with one issue outstanding. Hchc2009 (talk) 10:50, 26 April 2011 (UTC) The Bugle: Issue LXI, March 2011
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Hallo Constantine, sorry to disturb you again! The guy answered on the discussion page. Two questions:
Kalimera, Alex2006 (talk) 05:53, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
Hallo Constantine, the guy attacked. :-) He removed the conversion to mosque, and his comment to the change is "Updated mosque section to better match cited sources" . I have not Runciman with me (I never bought that book since makes me sad :-)) , but Müller-Wiener writes: ""Hagia Sophia wurde vom Mehmed durch ein hier abgehaltenen Gebet für dem Islamischen Kult übernommen und zur Hauptmoschee der Stadt umgewandelt" . In other words, he has falsified the sources. Can I at this point refer him to WP:ANI? Cheers, Alex2006 (talk) 09:14, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
Dimitrios HolevasI think you should talk to Achilleas1 and explain him the policy. He does not understand NPOV as a new user. I am having the same problem with him on the Greek Wikipedia. Also in the Greek article I kept three sources. One is the same as here, but the other two are different. I didn't kept any Rizospastis references because they are definitely POV. --Dead3y3 (talk) 12:06, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
Okay, you've got just a few unanswered questions from Lightmouse, RJHall and Kirk. Do what you can, then if there's something left over, we can ask at WT:MIL for help. This is now on the "FAC urgents" list, which means it could be closed at any time. (Watching) - Dank (push to talk) 15:08, 3 May 2011 (UTC) LightofConstantinopleOk i stop changing the pic of Constantine xi (saint considered by some including me) Keep on editing! —Preceding unsigned comment added by LightofConstantinople (talk • contribs) 18:53, 5 May 2011 (UTC) I've reviewed the article and left notes on the talk page. I've put the nomination on hold for seven days to allow the issues to be addressed. Feel free to contact me on my talk page, here, or on the article talk page with any concerns, and let me know one of those places when the issues have been addressed. If I may suggest that you strike out, check mark, or otherwise mark the items I've detailed, that will make it possible for me to see what's been addressed, and you can keep track of what's been done and what still needs to be worked on. Ealdgyth - Talk 15:08, 6 May 2011 (UTC) PumpieΚαλησπερα ειδα δημιουργήθηκε πρόβλημα με αυτον κ εφαγε φραγη. Βασικά δεν κάνει κάτι κακόβουλα , ελληνικα καταλαβαινει δεν ξερει να γραφη ισως να μην τα μιλά και καλα. Απλά μεταφέρει ότι νέο άρθρο μπεί στην ελληνική εδώ . απο το 2003 αυτό κάνει μόνιμα . Αυριο στο πανεπιστήμιο έχει "εργαστηριο" απο 10 έως τις 4-5 αν θέλεις έλα από εκεί θα μοιραστούν φυλάδια και θα δείξουμε κάποια πράγματα για την βικιπαίδεια χρειάζοντε άτομα. tony esopiλέγε 19:24, 7 May 2011 (UTC) Δυστηχώς δεν απαντά σε κανέναν ούτε να πει από ποια χώρα είναι να τον βοηθήσουμε κτλ κι εγω εχτες το εμαθα για το εργαστηριο δεν το ηξερα. tony esopiλέγε 20:38, 7 May 2011 (UTC) CleanupSome time ago IIRC I suggested tht probably all are articles written by Zoupan should be checked for OR and SYNTH. I decided to randomly check AnypomonosThe article is ready for a DYK nom, so if you want to nominate it, I could review it.--— ZjarriRrethues — talk 15:02, 8 May 2011 (UTC) List of the Ottoman battles in which the sultan participatedThanks for the correction in the List of the Ottoman battles in which the sultan participated. Adding the first name was an error. But I am only partially responsible for it. The name George is still in the sidebox of the article Battle of Bapheus. Can you please check it ? Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 15:10, 8 May 2011 (UTC) Categories for discussion nomination of Category:Greek–Italian relationsCategory:Greek–Italian relations, which you created, has been nominated for discussion. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. LeSnail (talk) 21:20, 8 May 2011 (UTC) Question about a bookHallo Constantine a question NOT about Hagia Sophia: do you know this book? I knew about it since its maps of Istanbul were used in another book about the City which was published last year, and I would like to present it to my best friend, who is 50% Greek (father Italian officer during WWII, mother of Rhodes :-)). Another question: is it possible to buy it through this web site, and why does it cost only 7 €? Is it maybe the eBook version? Cheers, Alex2006 (talk) 05:56, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
DYK for Battle of the Echinades (1427)
The DYK project (nominate) 12:03, 11 May 2011 (UTC) CfD = Category:Palaeologus dynastyI see that you are proposing a standardisation of the spelling of the categories under the name Palaiologos. I recognise that the translation from the Greek into Latin script is inexact. But having investigated some of their descendants from the last few centuries I note that when they lived in England they referred to themselves as Palaeologus/Palaeolocu or some similar form, and their tombstones carry that spelling when written in Latin script. Several English Koraes professors have referred to them in that form in their books. So to help me understand the rationale behind the choice of 'Palaiologos' in WP, I wonder if you could you direct me towards any relevant pages where that spelling was chosen to be used on the English WP. Many thanks, Ephebi (talk) 22:48, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
Three Johns under John VI.Hello Konstantinos, it would be very kind if you could supply some information on the identity or non-identity of these three individuals: - John Angelos, Sebastokrator under Emperor John VI. (cit. B. Ferjancic, Sevastokratori u Vizantiji, 1968, p. 192, resume) - Ioannes Asanes, Sebastokrator 1345/55, Despot and Governor of Peritheorion 1355 (cit. http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/BYZANTINE%20NOBILITY.htm) Thanks! SJuergen —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.83.52.139 (talk) 21:01, 15 May 2011 (UTC) Imperial triple crown jewels
The Bugle: Issue LXII, April 2011
To stop receiving this newsletter, please list yourself in the appropriate section here. To assist with preparing the newsletter, please visit the newsroom. BrownBot (talk) 22:07, 17 May 2011 (UTC) WPGRApologies; thanks for the clarification; I will leave it in from now on; and just add the Classical G&R tag. Best regards,--FeanorStar7 (talk) 00:07, 24 May 2011 (UTC) Battle of GreeceAlexikoua removed the WPSQ tag from the Battle of Greece as he considers it irrelevant, although the lead say The Battle of Greece (also known as Operation Marita, German:Unternehmen Marita)[11] was a World War II battle that occurred on the Greek mainland and in southern Albania. At the same he doesn't consider irrelevant the WikiProject Australia and New Zealand tags.--— ZjarriRrethues — talk 15:41, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
Howdy. Your map of the eastern frontier is great but I am pretty sure Dara was returned to the Romans in the peace settlement between Khosrau and Maurice. The border should pass between Dara and Nisibis. Hopefully this can be remedied. Thank you. --Tataryn77 (talk) 02:34, 25 May 2011 (UTC) Re:Augustów roundup DYKThanks. I moved the article. I hope I have also clarified the issues you noted. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 18:09, 25 May 2011 (UTC) HelpHello, Constantine! It's a pleasure to help with such requests, as long as you find my suggestions useful :) Best, — Toдor Boжinov — 18:08, 27 May 2011 (UTC) ArgyrosHi. Thanks for your message. Could you please check if I spelled the Greek name of Helena Argyre correctly? Best, --KoberTalk 13:51, 28 May 2011 (UTC) HiHi Cplakidas. How are you ? What do you think about the infobox of Talk:Occupation of Smyrna ? Takabeg (talk) 12:54, 31 May 2011 (UTC) Something for you
--Ian Rose (talk) 21:33, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
Helena Dragas is actually Helen – Dragasis PalaiologosIn the article she is not refered with her real full name. She was the Queen of Byzantium Augusta Helen – Dragasis Palaiologos, daughter of the emperor of Slavic nation, Constantine Dragasis. She became empress of Byzantium as wife of Emmanuel B’ the Palaiologos and she was mother of the last emperor of Byzantium Costantine Palaiologos.688dim (talk) 14:26, 2 June 2011 (UTC) I strongly recommend to change Helena Dragas to Helen – Dragasis PalaiologosWell, actually I mean to change her name from Helena Dragas (which is slavic) to Helen – Dragasis Palaiologos (which is Greek), because she was an empress of Byzantium and firstly I don't find it appropriate to refer to her with her slavic name (she lived in Byzantium in Greece and not in Serbia) and secondly you can find plenty of reference with her name as Helen – Dragasis Palaiologos. Your personal opinion does not mean that is right. Also many texts refer to her as Saint Patience (Saint Hipomoni). 688dim (talk) 09:22, 3 June 2011 (UTC) Greetings! I see you have recently created one or more new stub templates or categories. As it states at Wikipedia:Stub, at the top of most stub categories, and in many other places on Wikipedia, it is recommended that new stub types be proposed prior to creation at Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals. This helps to reach consensus about whether the new stub type is already covered by existing stub types, whether it is named according to stub naming guidelines, whether it is otherwise correctly formatted, whether it reaches the standard threshold for creation of a new stub type, and whether it crosses existing stub type hierarchies. Your new stub type is currently listed at Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Discoveries, where comments are welcome as to any rationale for this stub type. Please, in future, consider proposing new stub types first at Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals! Grutness...wha? 00:55, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
IP is still at itMost recently coming in from 94.64.43.151, adding undue weight to the Greek origins of the Zeibeks. __ Just plain Bill (talk) 20:21, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
The Bugle: Issue LXIII, May 2011
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Materialscientist (talk) 16:03, 6 June 2011 (UTC) Colin ImberWhat do you think about using this source: The Crusade of Varna, 1443-45 By Colin Imber for information I plan to add to the Battle of Niš article. I could not find much information about the author. At first I was very happy with many details about the battle, but now I am not sure if it is too many details about it? --Antidiskriminator (talk) 08:48, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
Category nameHello Takabeg! On the issue of the Category:Greek military personnel of the Turkish War of Independence, I think we should move it to Category:Greek military personnel of the Greco-Turkish War of 1919–1922, as "Turkish War of Independence" represents rather the Turkish POV on the conflict. Constantine ✍ 09:55, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
Bulgarian despotsHello Constantine and thanks for your work! The section of the Shishman of Vidin article detailing his style is referenced to Андреев, Йордан; Лазаров, Иван; Павлов, Пламен (1999). Кой кой е в средновековна България (in Bulgarian). Петър Берон. p. 395. ISBN 9789544020477. As for George Terter, 1284, when he was already crowned emperor, makes little sense and ought to be an error. On page 74, the book cited above places George Terter's bestowal of the title of despot to the time of the Uprising of Ivaylo and the reign of Ivan Asen III (1279–1280). At the same time, George Terter divorced his first wife in order to marry Kira Maria Asenina and exiled his ex-wife and his son from the first marriage Theodore Svetoslav to Byzantium. Hope that was of some help! Best, — Toдor Boжinov — 17:04, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
Military of the Ottoman EmpireHi. I know you are interested in military issues, especially one of the Ottoman Empire. I beg you question. Do you understand what I want to explain in this issue ? Can I explain the seasons of dangers that would be resulted from using the term "Ottoman Air Force" in encyclopedia. Takabeg (talk) 14:20, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
Greek Forces in Asia MinorHi Constantine. I have one more question. In Turkish, the Greek forces in Greco-Turkish War (1919-1922) is called "Küçük Asya Ordusu" (Mikra Asia Force). What do you call it in Greek ? Do you know common English name of it ? Thank you. Takabeg (talk) 10:30, 10 June 2011 (UTC) Ljutovid etc.Today I reviewed a couple more of Zoupan's edits and the source misrepresentation about Ljutovid seems to persist. I'm patrolling the main article so anyone who wants to attribute any kind of ethnicity to the person has to find sources, but on other articles[5] the now usual misrepresentation can still occur as the source says Ljutovid the Byzantine strategos of Serbia and Zachloumlia.--— ZjarriRrethues — talk 13:38, 11 June 2011 (UTC) Greek villagesThanks for giving those the treatment they needed. I created them as I was deleting disambig files with red links. Thanks for affirming my feeling that they needed expansion rather than deletion. Dlohcierekim 13:03, 12 June 2011 (UTC) Here are some more, don't know if you can fix them. Cheers, Dlohcierekim 22:50, 12 June 2011 (UTC) You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template. Turakhan begThank you very much for your help which is highly appreciated. I am honoured with any kind of your participation in editing of the articles I created or significantly contributed to. --Antidiskriminator (talk) 19:26, 12 June 2011 (UTC) DYK for Alexios Palaiologos (despot)
Materialscientist (talk) 12:13, 13 June 2011 (UTC) Peace TreatyHi Cplakidas. I cannot find the term "Peace Treaty" in the book added with this edit. When you have time, could you control it ? Takabeg (talk) 14:43, 13 June 2011 (UTC) Siege of ShkoderThe book says (p. 71) "The Powers were now faced with the problem of how to dislodge the Montenegrins from Shkoder, as by virtue of a treaty concluded with Essad Pasha Toptani, Montenegro had gained control of the town" and (p. 72) "Durham went on to describe the terms of the agreement made between Essad and the Montenegrins". I can't find anything as formal as "peace treaty" either. BTW, do you have any knowledge on the issue raised at Nedim's talk page on the "t"/"d"? Constantine ✍ 14:54, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template. Vandalism ?Hi. What does this IP's action mean ? Takabeg (talk) 15:02, 14 June 2011 (UTC) MauriceHowdy Constantine. Have you read Maurice and his historian Theophylact Simocatta...? I recently purchased it and I'm only on page 20 or so but already there is a wealth of information to draw from. The author explicitly says there is little information on his domestic policies but nevertheless there are several pages on the topic! I will add information as soon as I've finished the book but I was wondering if you have read it. If so, is it as great as it seems? It appears to be the only book on Maurice available. Also, User talk:Rasiel keeps removing aureii I've added from articles. He adds lesser quality coins in their place. This is occuring on the Probus, Carus, and Gratian articles. I've repeatedly told him to stop removing them, even leaving messages on his talk page, but he won't listen or respond. I've told him to add images if he wishes but not replace or remove images of coins. Can you help in any way?--Tataryn77 (talk) 15:31, 14 June 2011 (UTC) Names of Ottoman peopleI'm reading about transliteration of Ottoman names in historical works. The majority prefer is Mehmed, but some researchers prefer Mehmet to Mehmed. I think it's not the problem of transliteration but the problem of the common name (usaeg). Because we don't transliterate by ourself. If we have to transliterate someone's name who we don't know, we have to transliterate manuscripts and it will be the problem of transliteration. So I think it's better research one by one and decide which one is common name (use). What is your opinion ? Takabeg (talk) 20:26, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
Re: Ottoman namesTough call... In the end, it is a choice between common usage and consistency. The traditional transliteration - and also, the way I understand it, the one closer to Arabic-influenced Ottoman phonology - is the rendering with "d". The problem is that from my experience, lesser-known individuals are more likely to have been published under their modern Turkish forms, while more well-known ones (who appear in general historical literature and not just Ottoman history books) will be with "d". If we use the "d" forms for the sultans, grand viziers and pashas, then it would be odd to use other forms for other Ottoman people - unless a particular name is so well entrenched in usage that it becomes unavoidable. What I am trying to say is, in most cases we will have a case where a specific "Mehmed Pasha" gets say 100 hits and "Mehmet Pasha" gets 150. I would prefer, for consistency's sake, to use the "d" form. Anyhow, I trust your judgement on this, so here's a proposal: why don't we start checking names (let's start with the Grand Viziers) and see with what frequency each name form occurs. Thus we can gauge a rough baseline on usage and make a better-educated guess. Constantine ✍ 20:49, 14 June 2011 (UTC) BTW, as a complete aside, I have wondered for years why Enver Bey/Pasha is at İsmail Enver. What do you think? Constantine ✍ 20:49, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
Havoc IPI had to switch off before, logging now I see that he's gotten care off. Thank you for noticing and acting on that. Regards Aigest (talk) 21:27, 14 June 2011 (UTC) Cyprus invasionHi Constantine. Are you busy ? I provided some sources. When you have a time, could you control them and if possible improve article. After controls, we can remove links to google books. And do you have any information about this issue ? Albanian ? Thanks to wikipedia, I heard it for the first time :) See you. Takabeg (talk) 02:29, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
I agree with the content and spirit of your edits. I won't go near the Cyprus thing, for any change means becoming embroiled for days and I am currently rather busy in RL (and that's also why I keep from any greater projects lately). I welcome any input to the 1897 war article, I've been meaning for years to bring it up to scratch... On Barbarossa, his mother was probably Greek, but the ethnicity of his father is unknown. I've seen authors speculate that his father was "possibly" of Albanian origin ([6]), but Greek has also a great many supporters ([7]). The problem is that "Greek" hee can be used to mean simply "Christian". In the same vein, he was certainly not an ethnic Turk as implied by the article, but rather a "Turk" in the sense that he was born a Muslim and was not a convert. Constantine ✍ 06:56, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
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Re:Greek Macedonia portalYou can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template. 2010-2011 Greek protestsHey, I am having a discussion at the talk page of the 2010-2011 Greek protests article, and a user persists on reverting my edit on the infobox. Initially it said '2010-2011 Greek protests', and the user replaced it with 'Greek Revolution'. I have reverted it twice already, and he continues to change it back, claiming that it is 'more relevant' than 2010-2011 Greek protests. Your input on this would be very much appreciated. --Philly boy92 (talk) 21:34, 17 June 2011 (UTC) IIRC, it was meant as a reconnaissance in force and a show of force: the Greek high command (many of whom were recently re-installed royalists and not the more experienced Venizelists) severely underestimated Turkish strength and ability and intended to deliver a blow to Kemalist forces, advance to Eskisehir and improve Greece's military and diplomatic position prior to the upcoming London Conference. BTW, if you want a good English-language account of the war from a Greek and Allied perspective, I heartily recommend Ionian Vision by Michael Llewellyn Smith. Constantine ✍ 16:50, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
Co-Emperor?Hello Konstantinos, what do you think about this: ANDRONIKOS Doukas, son of IOANNES Doukas, cæsar & his wife Eirene Pegonitissa (-14 Oct 1077). The Alexeiad names "Andronikos, the Cæsar's eldest son" as the father of Empress Eirene[421]. Mikhael Glykas refers to "Iohanni Cæsari…filiis…Constantinus…filius alter…Andronicus"[422]. Co-emperor 1067-1070." (http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/BYZANTIUM%2010571204.htm) Obviously a confusion with the homonymous brother of Michael VII. (who co-reigned from 1068 to ca. 1077)?? P.S.: Have you any further information about a Leo Melissenos, Sebastokrator in the late 14th century? (also cited on http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/BYZANTIUM%2010571204.htm -- see Chapter 7.B. MELISSENOS, 1078) --SJuergen (talk) 10:52, 18 June 2011 (UTC) Re:Help with new articleGreetings Constantine! I found some info on google books about Abd al-Malik, but not much about his early life. Ibn Khalikan provides info about Abd al-Malik's genealogy and says some people suspected he was the son of Marwan the last Syrian Umayyad caliph, since his mother (Marwan's concubine) was pregnant when she was bought by Salih ibn Ali.(Khalikan p.316.) There's also an interesting story about Abd al-Malik successfully lobbying ar-Rashid's vizier Ja'far to alleviate ar-Rashid's ill feelings towards him.(Khalikan pp.303-305.) This source (p.50) says al-Ma'mun desecrated Abd al-Malik's grave a few years after he died of illness. Al-Tabari provides a lot of info (much of it is already mentioned in the article though), but not so much about Abd al-Malik before ar-Rashid's reign.Tabari. A different Tabari source says Abd al-Malik was put in charge of prayers in 775-76, but that's all I could get from that source since it won't let me read the prior pages. Maybe you'll be lucky and gain access to them.([8] page 177 is available to me, but not page 176.) I'll try to find more sources, but won't be editing much anytime soon since I'll be on a break for the rest of this month. I'll try to pop in here and there though. Thanks for starting this article in the first place, I'm glad there's users editing in this area. I've been meaning to get more involved on the early Arab caliphates. Maybe when I'm back. Regards, --Al Ameer son (talk) 20:45, 18 June 2011 (UTC) HelpHi Constantine. Can you help me (& us) Category talk:Turkish people & Category talk:Azerbaijani people etc. Do you have any good idea ? I hope you will come up with a new and good idea to solve these serious contradictions. I'm going to buy two Filet-O-Fish and back home :) Tomorrow I'll create the article Rahmi Arslan. Good night. Takabeg (talk) 23:10, 19 June 2011 (UTC) Patriarch Callinicus III or IV ?I kindly ask you an advice. I'm going to start a short article on Patriarch Callinicus of Constantinople who reigned in 1757. Because Callinicus III (died 1726) is not always recognized as Patriarch, I dont know which ordinal number use for the name of Article about Callinicus (1757). Most scholars such as Gedeon (Πατριαρχικοί Πίνακες, 1890), Kiminas (2009), Janin (1914), Encycl of the Hel. World use IV, but the Ecumenical Patriarchate uses III. Sometime I found "Callinicus III (IV)". Your advice? A ntv (talk) 22:12, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
Moving the namesYou insist changing Turkish names ending in –t to names ending in –d. Although I explained that –d ending is impossible in Turkish, you still revert names on the ground that search engine yields more –d endings than –t endings. (You've even moved the names of many articles created by me) The important thing is the truth, not the search engine counts. But just out of curiosity I searched the names Mehmet and Mehmed (in yahoo English language counts) There are 13 100 000 Mehmet and 858 000 Mehmed, ie., even in English Mehmet is 15 times more common. Do you consider to revert your edits on –t endings. Happy editting Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 13:36, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
General FrankosHi Constantine. Do you know him ? I want to know especially his first name. Thank you. Takabeg (talk) 07:07, 22 June 2011 (UTC) Athanasios Frangos or Frangou (you can transliterate "ng" with "nk", but the former is more correct for modern Greek), Major General and commander of 1st Division. Born 1864, died 1923. I'll try to find material and write something on him. Constantine ✍ 07:16, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
ImbrosHi. When you have a time, could you control these edits. It's true that historically the island was dwelled by Greek population, but I felt propaganda in some edits. Thank you. Takabeg (talk) 01:05, 23 June 2011 (UTC) OBFor now. Takabeg (talk) 11:21, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
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The DYK project (nominate) 18:04, 24 June 2011 (UTC) SüperSüper ! Constnatien do you have any info. about the sudden retreat of the 5/42 Evzone Regiment ? I've read an article (now I don't forget its title etc...) that claimed some Greek forces didn't engage in combat actions positively with a secret agreement between Venizelos and Mustafa Kemal and this made for the Turkish forces to enable to advance approx. 400 kilometre within 10 days (40 kilometre per day). I think it was too fast for the situation of 1922 (But the LVI Panzer Corps reached Dvinsk (aprox. 330 kilometre from their border) within four days in 1941.) Takabeg (talk) 20:30, 25 June 2011 (UTC) But the sources, inside the "De Rebus Bellicis", mention even the observed high performance of the ship. Remember, that they are stating that this ship reached a good speed and also a good ramming impact. This indicates that this ship was actually built and tested. Did you read the "De Rebus Bellicis" or any translation of it? For now, I will undo the removal, please let me know, what you think. Thanks, still, for giving attention to this interesting subject. SvenLittkowski (talk) 00:32, 29 June 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by SvenLittkowski (talk • contribs) 00:28, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
List of Serbian monarchsTheophilos Erotikos was added in the List of Serbian monarchs along with many others that in some cases weren't even Serbs and in most of them were local nobles, whose highest title was that of the despot.--— ZjarriRrethues — talk 00:39, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
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Materialscientist (talk) 00:04, 3 July 2011 (UTC) HiHi Constantine. Naber ? Do you have any idea to solve discrepancy in this matter ? Have a nice vacationTakabeg (talk) 23:03, 4 July 2011 (UTC) The Roman eastern frontier and the fortress of Mindon/MinduasHowdy Constantine, I don't have my books in front of me at the moment but I was wondering something. In Emperor Maurice and his historian...' it mentions the fortress of Mindon (referred to once as Minduas in Greatrex's Persian frontier but not on any maps). Mindon is on a map in the Whitby book though. It is north east of Nisibis. However, that map does not show the Roman-Persian border. The reason I'm asking about a relatively obscure fortress is because it seems to be a crucial one. Whitby mentions a letter from a Sassanid king where he says Mindon was a key fort. This is obviously because it is further east than Nisibis, and commands the easternmost section of the heights north of Nisibis. The fort would allow the Romans to cut Nisibis' supply lines and make besieging it much easier. The book says the Persians spoiled Roman plans to enhance Mindon's defenses but I'm not sure if it says they actually captured it. When I align Mindon from Whitby's map to your map of the eastern frontier, it appears Mindon would be north of the border so therefore Roman. I believe it would be a little west of Bezabde, perhaps very slightly southwest. Am I correct? So yea I was wondering if you could get back to me on that and if you could possibly add Mindon/Minduas to your map. PS. I always wondered why Maurice didn't demand the return of Nisibis. I now feel it was because Khosrau's dignity (mentioned heavily in Whitby) would be too greatly ruined. Thus, if Maurice secured Mindon and the entire heights north Nisibis, etc. etc. he could let the Sassanids keep Nisibis. Khosrau could keep his dignity and the Romans could easily surround Nisibis in the case of war, and easily launch raids towards the lower Tigris at the onset of a war. What do you think?--Tataryn77 (talk) 21:10, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
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ARBMAC retractedI have retracted the ARBMAC warning that I issued earlier today. Upon further investigation, the warning was not appropriate. I apologize for any inconvenience. Toddst1 (talk) 17:33, 11 July 2011 (UTC) User:83.71.98.198Thanks for the compliment. I'll think about it. 83.71.98.198 (talk) 21:15, 15 July 2011 (UTC) Thank you
Thomas the SlavCplakidas- I'm very sorry for changing the meaning of the text. I was wondering if you could help me with some of the following, and correct me where I'm wrong (which is likely in many places ;) :
The first seems like a clear introductory statement, while the second feels to me like something belonging in the body paragraph.
I assume you don't want to to make "others" seem to totally dismiss rural discontent, but I don't think the second crisper version does that. Even if something is not a "primary" factor, that does not mean it never existed, or even was very important. Sorry for such a terribly long, boring, and probably mistake filled list. I hope you can set me at ease here, and again, I'm very sorry for some of the edits, especially the one that made the Constantine appropriation seem real. I hope you're not totally distraught ;) Qizix (talk) 19:12, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
Go ahead and make whatever changes you see fit, I'll revert only if necessary. For anything else, feel free to ask! Cheers, Constantine ✍ 11:55, 18 July 2011 (UTC) Constantine- Thanks for the response. I'm still not entirely convinced that the article needs some of these.
"but its precise circumstances are unclear due to competing historical narratives, including one fabricated by Michael that has distorted accounts of the revolt." Or something like that? I really don't want to leave the sentence as it stands, it's quite the wordy mouthful. Also, I really think your details here should go in the body, not the Lead.
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Kalispera, rixe mia matia sto ar8ro tis Lefkosias kai boi8a ligo, enas diaxeiristis ekei den me afini, tourkalas sigoura, na miliso kai otan to kano me apili me BAN , prospa8o na tou exigiso ki arnite na mou milisi o an8ropos einai aparadektos, isos na ton pigename sta META i kai kamia minisi na tou kaname pou ipotirizi tourkoukika symferonta tou psebdokratous. tony esopiλέγε 12:19, 18 July 2011 (UTC) Το αν φαω εδω ΒΑΝ η οχι αδιαφορω, σπανια μπαινω ετσι κι αλλιως , το θεμα ειναι οτι προσπαθησα να μιλησω, και με αυτον τον αμερικανο και συνεχως μου τα εσβηνε ολα και τα αποκαλουσε βανδαλισμο! δεν μου εξηγησε καν τι επρεπε να κανω, κατι που το θεωρω απαραδεκτο. Επισης τα λογια του ειναι προβλητικα . Ο κυριος αυτος απο οσα ειδα θελει νγινει διαχειριστης και αναρωτιεμε ποσοι χρηστες εχουν φραγη και διωχτει για εχει βραβεια βανδαλισμου αυτος? δεν νομιζω να υπηρχε προβλημα αν με αφηναν να μιλησω ? δεν ξερω αγγλικα τοο καλα πρεπει να χρησιμοποιησω μεταφραστη, αυτο ειναι το προβλημα μπυ εμενα , και αυτος με εμποδιζει χωρις να μου πει τον λογο και να μου υποδειξει την αναλογη πολιτικη που το λεει αυτο που κανει. αν θες μετεφρασετο και πεστο τους αυτο που ειπα εδω . tony esopiλέγε 14:14, 18 July 2011 (UTC) Paidia diavasa ti syzitisi sas. Symfwnw me Constantino prepi na syzitithei me epixeirimata an kai de kserw posi oreksi exoun na syzitoun afou oloi oi admins akolouthoun tin idia grammi - ban se opion thelei na syzitisei. Exw apntisei se afton to Peter alla xreiazomai voitheia sta epixeirimata an mporeite. Toulaxisto as kataferoume na theorithei oti den einai NPOV to na deixnontai kai oi dyo dimoi, afou to debate gia ti nomimotita einai ousiastika oloi enantiwn tis tourkias. Einai krima kai adiko pragmatika na meinei toso xalia h selida. H proti entypwsi pou kanei ston episkepti einai arnitiki. Sto metaksi yparxei idi selida gia North Nicosia pou ena peripou leei ta idia. Den tous ftanei mono afti theloun na lene ta idia kai gia tin eleftheri lefkosia. De lew oti den prepi na anaferetai o tourkikos dimos afou ontws yparxei (an kai einai paranomos) alla to proto pragma pou diavazei kapios molis mpei einai oti yparxei diaxwrismos vasi syntagmatos, pou den einai ortho. To ortho einai oti yparxei eisvoli kai katoxi edafous tou nomimou dimou lefkosias kai to opoio einai gegonos adiamfisvitito kai prepi na mpei me lekseis opws occupation kai illegal pou einai h koini thesi olis tis diefthnous koinotitas. Otan diavazeis to summary ligo poly nomizeis oti den ta vriskane ellines kai tourkoi kai ta xwrisane. Episeis tha eprepe na provaletai perisotero h omorfi plevra tis lefkosias para o diaxwrismos kai ta syrmatoplegmata. Mporw na vrw wraies fotografies alla apoti fenetai de mas afinoun na allaksoume tipota. Koitakste ligo to istoriko twn edits sto Discussion kai sto Page na deite ti fasismos epikratei. Masri145 (talk) 13:03, 25 July 2011 (UTC) Thanks for your message Constantinos. I myself i'm very busy with real life as well but I try my best. On the Nicosia page, even though the existence of separate municipalities is mentioned in the Republic of Cyprus constitution and the reference provided is correct there was never any territorial separation agreed between the two municipalities as the Nicosia article suggests. It doesn't provide any references. As far as I know in 1963 there were para-military enclaves created in Cyprus (one of them being in Nicosia) which were controlled by the para-military group TMT (a turkish-cypriot nationalistic group that wanted to break away from the Republic of Cyprus). These sectors had nothing to do with the turkish municipality of nicosia. The territorial seggration was only imposed after the Turkish Invasion of 1974. All these should be mentioned. After the invasion the turkish nicosia municipality in the form that it's being described in the constitution essentially ceased to exist as it's now under the control of TRNC. So they can't have both the legitimacy of the constitution and at the same time being controlled by an illegal state. I have made some suggestions in the discussion page, please feel free to chime in with your thoughts. Thanks. Masri145 (talk) 10:13, 26 July 2011 (UTC) Good Article promotion
ConstantinopleI know that you must have a good reason because you wouldn't do it otherwise. But why are you listing people who were born in Constantinople when it was called Constantinople and who died when it was still called Constantinople as "People from Istanbul"? It is not historically accurate to say that they were born in Istanbul when the whole world called it Constantinople at the time. Is this another one of those Wikipedia "you must do it this way because we all voted and agreed it should be done this way, even though it does not reflect what actually happened in history"? Wikipedia is erasing the name Constantinople all the way back to when the Ottomans first took Constantinople when the name was still used officially and predominantly up till the late 1920s. How is that right? Nipsonanomhmata (Talk) 23:39, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
Census helpHi, could you, please, check User:Lunch for Two's edits on articles of Greek villages. He is saying there are no Greeks living in those places. I am not familiar with Greek censuses but I am positive this is not what they actually show. --Laveol T 08:01, 19 July 2011 (UTC) John the ArmenianHi, as you are interested in Byzantine history and know a lot about it, then maybe you could comment this article in its talk page? Talk:John the Armenian#Reliability. Thank you! :) --Barosaurus Lentus (talk) 11:38, 19 July 2011 (UTC) Quick Thomas QuestionsHey Constantine, I wasn't sure whether to post this in the previous Thomas the Slav section, but it's just a quick question: When Michael addressed Thomas's troops, exhorting them to defect, did Thomas's army take this as "a sign of distress" meaning that they thought Michael was showing how weak he was, or were they distressed by Michael's speech? I assumed the former, but I wanted to be sure. Also: "Even Gregory Pterotos, whose family was in Michael's hands, resolved to desert Thomas, followed by a small band of men loyal to him" Should this read: "whose family was in Thomas's hands"? Thanks, Qizix (talk) 21:13, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
Greek GeneralsHuh, you may have misunderstood. I do not have access to ALL ΔΙΣ works, I have access to the series (some 10-12 volumes) about the Asia Minor Campaign, which is a historical narrative, with no particular biographical information. I would be glad to help if you need something I can help with, but I honestly have never cared to look after the biographies of Greek generals, and I cannot think of which book I could look up such thing. Have you tried the site of ΔΙΣ? Although not very well made, it does have a free-access digitalized library with (part of) its archives. Perhaps there is something there.--Xristar (talk) 14:56, 21 July 2011 (UTC) Check Finished Thomas copyedit?Hey Constantine- Do you think you could check the Thomas the Slav copyedit, make sure everything is O.K? Thanks, Qizix (talk) 17:13, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
OpinionHi Constantine. Do you have any opinion on Talk:Battle of Sakarya#Preciceness, sourced information & Talk:Baltacı Mehmet Pasha, Talk:Cenani Mehmed Kadri Pasha, Talk:Ibrahim Hakkı Pasha, Talk:Hafız Hakkı, Talk:Mahmud Mukhtar Pasha etc.................... ? Have a nice weekends. Takabeg (talk) 00:55, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
Guys, I am totally swamped by real life currently, and any time I have for Wikipedia will go to the Thomas the Slav FAC and a few other obligations. When I have more time I'll have a look. Cheers, and best to both. Constantine ✍ 11:55, 25 July 2011 (UTC) DYK for Domestic of the Schools
The DYK project (nominate) 04:42, 26 July 2011 (UTC) Desert SquadronsSeems we have an article for every squadron now. Since you were the main contributor of the two other articles, it would be of great help to check the 13th MEB article and maybe think about a good hook.Alexikoua (talk) 09:26, 26 July 2011 (UTC) Ottoman family tree templateis similar to the following http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Pharaohs Hence the following is more informative
Thanks for your answer, but there is another issue: The dates and the names of the periods in Ottoman History in English Wiki are not consistent with those dates and the names of the periods of the same Ottoman History in Turkish Viki. For example, growth period ends in Turkish Viki in 1579, but it continues until 1683 in English Wiki. Similarly, the foundation and the rise periods in English Wiki are written on the very same page, but these are different periods in Turkish viki. Decline and dissolution periods don't match as well, therefore we had generated those explicit template distinguishing these unmatched periods. Now, how will you handle with those mistakes?193.255.108.20 (talk) 21:18, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
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