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When you are about to work on the section about global atmospheric and hydrological conditions, here is a quote from Hurricane Noah to Iseriously (one of the most active contributors to the Tropical cyclones in xxxx articles):
The Global Atmospheric and Hydrological Conditions should focus more on the conditions leading to storm formation (or lack thereof) rather than the activity itself. By this, I am meaning Ocean Heat Content, Sea Surface Temperatures, Vertical Wind Shear, etc. Don't forget about the Southern Hemisphere! There is also the Southern Indian Ocean and the South Pacific. Moving on, make sure you add references for all the damage and deaths for each storm. Each month should have a paragraph or so of text detailing the notable storms throughout the month. Lastly, when we were discussing the structure of these pages a couple of years ago, I had thought that the Global Effects section could also have text discussing TC impacts during the year on a continental scale. As others have said, Wikipedia really isn't about recognition as it is creating quality articles. I have gotten nine articles to featured status and another six to good article. Most of the time, I don't get recognition for doing that. In the end, I think what's really important is creating a quality article that someone can read to get a clear picture of what happened.
With that quote, I hope you can learn how that section about Global Atmospheric and Hydrological Conditions should work. There is still plenty of time, as I honestly believe that this draft should be published after October 5 (not before that date). With that time to finish your draft and to learn more about that section as well as the whole Wikipedia, I'm certain that you can make the jump in progress of becoming a Wikipedian that Cabayi hoped from you. :-) SMB99thxmy edits13:01, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
The NHC says nothing about Paulette. Just because a low is near the Azores does not mean it's Paulette. That is WP:OR. This is the NHC's surface analysis:
"Tropical Weather Discussion for North America, Central America
Gulf of Mexico, Caribbean Sea, northern sections of South
America, and Atlantic Ocean to the African coast from the
Equator to 32N. The following information is based on satellite
imagery, weather observations, radar and meteorological analysis.
Based on 0600 UTC surface analysis and satellite imagery through
1000 UTC.
...SPECIAL FEATURES...
...GULF OF MEXICO GALE WARNING...
A cold front extending from 27N82W to 16N93W will continue to
support gale force winds in the SW basin behind the front through
12Z this morning. Scattered moderate convection is noted along
and NE of the front affecting the Yucatan Peninsula and Bay of
Campeche. Seas ranging between 12-16 ft will diminish through the
next 24 hours as the front weakens and dissipates. Please see
the latest High Seas Forecast at
https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/text/MIAHSFAT2.shtml for more details.
...TROPICAL WAVES...
A tropical wave extends its axis along 27W from 01N-15N, moving
west at 10-15 kt. Scattered moderate convection is noted from
02N-14N between 23W-33W.
A tropical wave axis is along 50W from 01N-16N, moving west at
10-15 kt. Scattered moderate convection prevails along and east of
the wave's axis from 08N-15N between 44W-52W.
A tropical wave axis is along 66W from 03N-19N, moving west at
10-15 kt. No significant convection is noted in the vicinity of
this wave at this time.
A tropical wave moving across the central Caribbean is currently
located along 77W, moving west at about 10 kt. Scattered moderate
convection is noted from 09N-22N between 75W-82W. This wave will
continue moving westward across the basin through the period
accompanied by active weather and enhanced winds. This feature is
expected to become part of a broad low-pressure area over the
western Caribbean within the next few days.
...MONSOON TROUGH/ITCZ...
The monsoon trough extends from the coast of Africa near 11N15W
to 06N37W. The ITCZ extends from 06N37W to 09N48W. Besides the
convection mentioned in the tropical wave section above, no
significant convection is noted near these boundaries at this
time.
Gulf of Mexico...
Refer to the section above for details on the Gale Warning
currently in effect for the SW Gulf.
Drier air is moving into the northwest Gulf behind the cold
front as surface ridging builds across the area. The most recent
scatterometer data depicts fresh northerly winds NW of the front,
while gentle to moderate southerly winds prevail SE of the front.
The front will continue to move E of the basin through today. A
second front will enter the northern Gulf on Sat. Strong high
pressure building behind this front will support fresh northeast
winds over most of the SE Gulf by the end of the week. These winds
may reach strong speeds on Sat along with building seas.
CARIBBEAN SEA...
A tropical wave is moving over the west Caribbean, while another
one is approaching Puerto Rico. Please refer to the Tropical
Waves section above for details.
Across the southwest Caribbean, the extension of the EPAC's monsoon
trough is analyzed along 10N between 75W-83W with scattered to
numerous moderate convection. Scatterometer data depicts light to
moderate trade winds across most of the basin except east of 76W,
where fresh to strong winds are noted.
Fresh to strong trade winds will prevail over the
eastern Caribbean. Moderate to fresh winds will prevail
elsewhere, except for gentle winds over the northwestern Caribbean
through Thu morning. The tropical wave along 77W will move over
the Gulf of Honduras by Thu evening inducing fresh to strong winds
and building seas. There is a medium chance for this feature to
evolve into a tropical cyclone through the next 5 days.
ATLANTIC OCEAN...
Refer to the section above for details on the tropical waves
moving across the tropical Atlantic.
Surface ridging prevails across the basin, anchored by a 1032 mb
high is centered over the central Atlantic near 41N45W.
Fresh to strong winds mainly to the NE of the Bahamas will
prevail this morning ahead of a cold front that has entered the NW
forecast waters, extending from 31N79W to 28N81W. The front will
stall and dissipate through Thu. A tropical wave that will move
across the west Caribbean will support moderate to fresh winds
over the SE forecast waters this weekend.
LOL Chicdat. That's ok. However, next time please don't warn me of edit-warring when I'm just reverting clearly unsourced information. I had to file something at RPP/ANI because of persistant socking of the page. The people reverting me (excluding you), were arguably the same person; they have been warned with a final warning (4). The admins were very nice and helpful, and now the page has protection. ~Destroyeraa🌀12:38, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
Jupiter50 The best thing I can say is for you to look at this page. It has instructions on how to create an article. Also, if you don't know about anything you can put in the article but you know the title you want, you can put it here. Thanks, 🐔ChicdatBawk to me!09:58, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
The Hurricane Herald is the semi-regular newsletter of WikiProject Tropical Cyclones. The newsletter aims to provide in summary the recent activities and developments of the WikiProject, in addition to global tropical cyclone activity. The Hurricane Herald has been running since its first edition ran on June 4, 2006. If you wish to receive or discontinue subscription to this newsletter, please visit the mailing list. This issue of The Hurricane Herald covers all project related events from September 1–October 5, 2020, which is the 15th anniversary of the WPTC. This edition's editors and authors are ChessEric, Chicdat, Destroyeraa, Hurricanehink, and our member of the month, SMB99thx!
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As we rapidly approach the 15th anniversary of the project in October, it has been proposed that the Climate, Tropical cyclone, Severe Weather, and Non-tropical storms (defunct) wikiprojects get merged into a single project: Wikipedia:WikiProject Weather. This brand new project would remove the overlap that exists between the projects. It provide us with a better opportunity to develop articles such as List of named storms A, B, C etc; Tornadoes in Fiji/New Zealand/Hawaii/etc; Floods in 2018, 2019, 2020, etc; Floods in Bangladesh/United States/Egypt, etc; Weather of 1997, 1998, 2020, etc; Weather in Tokelau/South Africa/France, etc; Hurricanes in the United States, Hurricanes in Mexico, Typhoons in China, etc. The discussion continues on WP:Meteorology. Any feedback would be appreciated.
A series of goals, proposed for the project, has been extended to January 2021 for Wikipedia's 20th anniversary. Goals include tropical cyclone effects for every location around the world, merging the hundreds of disambiguation articles into lists by letter, and featured topics for every list of retired names. Some of these goals might take another 20 years to complete, but some are doable with some sustained effort.
Hurricane Noah announced an initiative to get a featured topic for the year of 2018 with complete subtopics. The Eastern Pacific portion is very close to achieving a featured topic, and the Atlantic and North Indian Ocean are around a B-class average. The Western Pacific, Southern Hemisphere, and the global article for 2018 need your help! A lot of work is needed to get those three items up to par. For more information on which articles need specifically, please check out the project talk page. Getting a featured topic for an entire year would be an impressive feat for our project.
20th Anniversary push: some goals for the 20th year of Wikipedia (January 15, 2021!) include the creation or improvement of many other articles listed in the first section on the WPTC talk page.
Storm of the month and other tropical activity for September (and the first 5 days of October)
Ianos, was a Mediterranean tropical-like cyclone, also known as a Medicane. The Mediterranean isn't officially a tropical cyclone basin, so there aren't any official intensity estimates for the storm. The system originated from a low pressure area north of Libya, and it developed organized convection while moving northeastward. On September 18, Ianos struck the Greek island of Cephalonia, and later moved across the Greek mainland. The World Meteorological Organization mentioned the medicane and its similarities to tropical cyclones. Although these medicanes are unofficial, Wikipedia covers them like other tropical cyclones, using the same reliable sources and news articles to document the event. As Ianos was created, not many users edited it, as coverage of tropical cyclones and storms outside of main development regions are, unfortunately, low. However, as Ianos was nominated and posted at ITN, a current news section on the main page, many users outside of the TC WikiProject began working on it, As these storms are becoming more common and better documented, these storms may be officially classified in the future.
Atlantic - September 2020 was the most active month on record in the Atlantic, with nine named storms forming, as well as Omar which formed on August 31 but was named a day later. Nana formed on September 1, rapidly intensifying into a minimal hurricane before making landfall in Belize. After a short lull in activity, Paulette and Rene both formed on the 7th, with the former intensifying into a strong Category 1 hurricane while making a rare landfall in Bermuda. The latter made landfall in the Cabo Verde Islands, causing minimal damage. Hurricane Sally had its origins over the Bahamas, and after stalling in the northern Gulf of Mexico it struck Alabama, dropping 36 in (910 mm) of rainfall on the Florida Panhandle; Sally left about $7 billion in damage and three deaths. On September 12, Hurricane Teddy formed, which grew into a powerful Category 4 hurricane, and later swept across Atlantic Canada. Near the Cape Verde Islands, Tropical Storm Vicky formed on September 14, and four days later, Wilfred formed in the same region. Tropical Storm Beta formed in the Gulf of Mexico on September 17 ahead of Wilfred and Alpha, and later brought heavy rainfall to Texas. A day later, Subtropical Storm Alpha formed near the coast of Portugal, marking only the second time that the Atlantic hurricane naming list was exhausted, thus requiring the usage of the Greek alphabet for names. Beta also formed, though before both Wilfred and Alpha. Beta would hit Texas and Louisiana with moderate flooding and kill one person.
Eastern Pacific - The month of September was not very active. Tropical Storm Julio formed from the mid-level circulation of Hurricane Nana in the Atlantic on September 4; however it stayed weak due to wind shear. In mid-September, tropical storms Karina and Lowell formed southwest of Mexico and were short-lived tropical storms. Toward the end of the month, Marie formed, becoming a hurricane on the last day of the month. Marie would later go on to be the current strongest storm of the EPAC season this year.
Western Pacific - The month of September was fairly active for the WPAC. Typhoon Maysak, which formed in late August, struck South Korea early in the month, followed days later by Typhoon Haishen, which became the season's first super typhoon. Haishen caused 4 fatalities and heavy damage in the Korean Peninsula. Later, Tropical Storm Noul formed on September 17, hitting Vietnam and causing 6 deaths and $30.4 million in damage. Later, Dolphin formed on the 19th, brushing Japan. Toward the end of the month, Tropical Storm Kujira formed northeast of the Marianas Islands.
SMB99thx first joined Wikipedia in 2013, but didn't officially join the WPTC until August 2020. Since then, they have been a prolific contributor, helping with less visible pages such as project talk pages, or splitting older season articles in the North Indian Ocean and the Western Pacific. They are a such a tireless contributor and kind user, who appreciates others' contributions while being humble about their own. It was SMB99thx who gave barnstars along with kind and encouraging messages to countless other WPTC contributors and Wikipedians. SMB99thx also worked on several lists, including area affects lists, various drafts, and List of named storms (T). We'll take that T and say TY to SMB99thx for all of their contributions, and wish them luck at college.
New WikiProject Members since the last newsletter
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To our new members: welcome to the project, and happy editing! Feel free to check the to-do list at the bottom right of the newsletter for things that you might want to work on. To our veteran members: thank you for your edits and your tireless contributions!
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How WikiProject Tropical cyclones should move forward by SMB99thx
As we have seen in the month of August and September, there is a surge of new articles. Most of these new articles are season/decade articles and Pacific typhoon articles, and most of these articles are assessed by me as either Start-class or Stub-class. These articles I believe would have been rejected by WikiProject Tropical cyclones in the earlier years (especially 2008-2012) - and these reflected the changes in WikiProject Tropical cyclones after I joined in July 2020.
In order to counteract that surge of Start-class and Stub-class articles in recent months, I have been closely working on the Article requests page (used to be a primary contributor of the surge that happened in August and September), trying to make this recently-extended WikiProject 15th anniversary as some serious effort as well as revamping WikiProject To-Do (and completing some, but not all tasks) - and the results of my work on these three projects led into the explosive growth of the WikiProject Tropical cyclones draftspace (I tried to prevent this by publishing the half-finished drafts into mainspace (which is primarily composed of C-class with some speck of Start-class articles coming out of it, and these are the ones that aren't as obviously unfinished like Draft:Effects of Hurricane Dorian on the Mainland United States), and made several drafts on articles that are not considered notable like Draft:Hurricane Barbara (2019) into redirects or deleted, but there is less kinds of these drafts now) as well as discovery of several drafts that isn't done by this point or are not listed as part of WikiProject Tropical cyclones. These drafts are later linked to the Article requests page. I don't my work is done yet, and in order to consider that effectively done, I need to get these drafts done and submitted as C-class or higher.
However, there is a personal problem I had to face in order to getting this work done when I'm still new to WikiProject Tropical cyclones. Article creation from drafts are not my strength. I create articles mostly from splits, not from drafts. As such, I consider article creation from drafts to be personally tedious work. As our 15th anniversary gets near, it appears that things are changing. As the draft space exploded, it appears fellow WikiProject Tropical cyclones are helping me out in getting these drafts complete, especially Destroyeraa (helping me out in deciding which drafts can pass the cut), ChessEric (working on Draft:Tropical Storm Noul (2020)), Robloxsupersuperhappyface (for developing current events articles, alongside ChessEric), I like hurricanes (Tropical cyclone lists), Chicdat (for the work on Tropical cyclones in 2002 and will probably work on others), Janm 7 (for working on Tropical cyclones in 2011 and 2003), and Iseriously (for useful season summaries, and this isn't a WPTC member!). I also began to frequently give out barnstars to these hard-working people like Jason Rees and Hurricanehink.
These events led me to believe that, if this WikiProject has to move forward then in my opinion this WikiProject should:
Take things in Article requests, WikiProject To-Do, WikiProject Tropical cyclones draftspace and WPTC 15th anniversary push (now extended into January 15th, 2021) seriously. I have seen some serious neglect from this area of the WikiProject and i believe this really held back the growth of this WikiProject. In my opinion, this WikiProject could have been easily have 2500 articles, or even 3000 articles by now if that area of WikiProject had been taken seriously. Even possibly, this WikiProject could have a lot more quality articles than it is today!
Frequently collaborate with each other. Don't bite the newcomers, but help them! They will help you.
If someone wants to take a break, e.g. Yellow Evan, let them be. Don't hurt their feelings! (i.e. moving their userspace drafts into mainspace) If you are hurting their feelings, then this could discourage future collaborations that could advance this WikiProject.
Thanks for reading this opinion piece! And happy 15th anniversary, WikiProject Tropical cyclones!
OPINION PIECE - by ChessEric
Accuracy has always been one of my biggest sticking points when it comes to editing on Wikipedia. When I came here back in April, my first edit was a revert of misinformation on the 2020 Easter tornado outbreak article. Of course, I understand that as a relatively new user, I still have a lot to learn and I don't profess to know everything, even after I started several large projects that I will probably be working on for quite some time. My first tornado outbreak pages used only the Tornado History Projects which, while generally good for tornado tracks, provides no damage info and if weren't for editors like CapeVerdeWave and Halls4521, my "breakthrough" articles would be so incomplete. However, I've been able to research more and more and find ways to complete these articles and that has carried over into the tropical cyclone projects as well. My thing has always been is that If I can't find a source for it, then it's not true. I will continue to follow that motto and hope that others will do the same.
Current assessment table
Assessments valid as of this printing. Depending on when you may be viewing this newsletter, the table may be outdated. See here for the latest, most up to date statistics. As of this issue, there are 157 featured articles and 70 featured lists. There are 135 A-class articles, and 1,002 good articles. There are only 65 B-class articles, perhaps because because most articles of that quality already passed a GA review. There are 369 C-class articles, 736 start-class articles, and 151 stub-class articles, with 31 lists, and 8 current articles. These figures mean that slightly more than half of the project is rated a GA or better. Typhoon Warren was the 1000th GA in the project.
WikiProject Tropical cyclones was founded on October 5, 2005. By that time, Wikipedia had its small share of articles, including the four deadly hurricanes that hit the United States in 2004. The hyperactive 2005 Atlantic hurricane season featured a series of deadly and historic hurricanes, the first of which was Hurricane Dennis. This is how the article looked on 10/5/05. It might not look like much, considering how much larger storm articles tend to be today. However, Dennis quickly became a featured article by February 2006. Its quality showed a marked improvement from the 2004 hurricanes. For comparison, here is what Hurricane Charley looked like on 10/5/05, with barely any references, no preparations, no aftermath, and one sentence worth of impact for a location with $1 billion in damage.
The busy 2005 season featured Hurricane Katrina, and in the aftermath of the storm, dozens of articles related to the hurricane were created. Some still exist, such as Katrina refrigerator, Memorial Medical Center and Hurricane Katrina, and Effect of Hurricane Katrina on the Louisiana Superdome. I don't know if those hyper-specific articles would be created today, and many of these old articles are still of low quality. On the other hand, one of the most notable changes since 2005 is the improvement in articles throughout Wikipedia, both new and old. Every Atlantic season from 1945 to 2019 is a good article, and all but 31 seasons since 1851 are a good article. More impressive is how much other basins around the world have improved. As of June 2006 (the oldest date for our assessment tables), the EPAC only had articles back to 1970, WPAC with yearly articles back to 1945 (with a rump article for everything beforehand - there are now decade articles going back to 1850), and the NIO only had one yearly season article (with five-yearly articles going back to 1980, and one rump article for everything beforehand), with only six storm articles. There are now yearly NIO articles going back to 1960. Also as of June 2006, all SHEM storms were put into yearly articles going back to 1995, with three five-yearly articles going back to 1980, and then one article for everything beforehand. The SHEM is now split into its three sub-basins (plus a distinct article for SATL storms), with yearly articles back to 1970. There are also now yearly articles for tropical cyclones back to 2009.
15 years might not feel like much, or for some of you it's an entire lifetime. Users should be reminded of eventualism, in work will improve over time, especially with sustained editor attention. There are now over 2,000 articles in the project, versus less than 500 15 years ago, or 1000 10 years ago, or 1500 13 years ago. The project's growth hasn't always been even, but it has trended toward inclusion, with hundreds of articles that are the best resources available anywhere on a given storm/season/topic. As Mother Nature throws us hyperactive seasons, it will be difficult, but not impossible, to keep up with the annual cycle of tropical cyclone activity, so the world can remain informed of these swirling furies.
Project Goals & Progress
The following is the current progress on the three milestone goals set by the WikiProject as of this publishing. They can be found, updated, at the main WikiProject page.
Please stop trying to police Wikipedia as you are making to many rash judgements and mistakes, which could potentially put other users off. In particular, did Hurricanestudier123 (talk·contribs) really breach WP:OR and WP:Too Soon by adding a section on Talk:2020 North Indian Ocean cyclone season about BoB 03 possibly forming in the next few days? Jason Rees (talk) 13:15, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
Can I offer you some words of encouragement? At the start of the summer I came across three new, young editors, including you, who were strong on enthusiasm and short on skill who kept telling other editors what to do. The other two kept on down that path and got themselves blocked. Your switch to working on content, especially Tropical Storms, in collaboration with Hurricanehink & others has been an encouraging and hopeful exception to that cluster.
It's my honest belief that the most supportive thing the community can help you with is to urge you to keep away from those administrative areas for the time being.
Chicdat, I'm also happy with how your edits have progressed. You've gotten better at talking with others, building a consensus, identifying problems, and writing content. I believe you'll get those featured articles before long. Owen was a good exercise at the level of detail and sourcing you'll need. Hopefully you'll find storms that you'll want to do that much work for. It can be tough working in a basin you don't care for. Your early practice with the different lists got you used to working in different basins. Is there any project you're interested in that you might need some help on? ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 18:43, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
What I need some help on is Owen. Also comprehending how active the hurricane season is. Looks like we've found the third time the most active basin in the year is the Atlantic! 🐔ChicdatBawk to me!10:19, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
OK, what specifically do you need help with Owen? And yea, this hurricane season is quite busy. For what it's worth, really good records only go back to the 1970s, and even then, there might be 3-5 storms in a given year that were missed. That means that 1969 could've had almost as many storms, or 1933, or 1887, especially if they were short-lived or fish storms like a lot of the 2020 ones are. We now have the benefit of really good technology that gives us more detail on a faraway storm than ever before. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 19:04, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
First, Owen. Two weeks ago I found a really great source that is the only source in an entire paragraph of Queensland impact. I commented on it to Jason Rees, the reviewer, but he's very busy with other TC stuff (like convincing CycloneYoris that the dabs/SIAs should be merged) and hasn't given me any instructions since, so instead, I decided to work on Tropical cyclones in 2002. Speaking of which, on 10 September, right in the middle of working on Tropical cyclones in 2011, Janm 7 abruptly stopped editing and abandoned the article. Anyway, so, I'm beginning to think that Owen will never become a GA. As for 2020, I presume it isn't exactly active if it only has 2 majors. I'm wondering, though, when the last storm will dissipate. And what its name will be. Probably further along than Zeta. P.S. I like the banner on the top of Destroyraa's userpage. "We're Going Greek!" 🐔ChicdatBawk to me!11:08, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
Alright, later today I'll give Owen a fresh set of eyes. It could still become a GA. Jason just likes to be thorough and proper. As for 2020, it's active for sure but it hasn't been super strong - we'll see how people react when/if we have the first Greek major hurricane of the year. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 13:26, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
Could you please either: a) give me a set of stuff that are wrong with Owen after a not-so-quick look through the article b) close the GA review as fail or c) close the GA review as pass? Because I want to get finished with Owen. 🐔ChicdatBawk to me!10:33, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
Happy belated birthday Chicdat! Damn I feel bad failing Owen right after your birthday. That being said, I want you to be proud of your work on the article. I hope you aren't too dejected. Sure, it wasn't perfect, but most new users aren't perfect editors. They make mistakes, figure out what works, and gradually evolve as editors. You can learn more from your failures than your successes with the right outlook :) Also, don't forget that there's no deadline for anything on Wikipedia. We're all just volunteers writing about what we're passionate about. I'm guessing you learned a lot with Owen, so I hope you take that knowledge with you moving forward. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 00:47, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
That's a great idea for an article! It should be quite doable, since most of the storms worldwide in 2002 are already a GA or better. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 01:44, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
You said I think it wouldn't be to hard to get Typhoon So-and-so (2002) to GA - all of the storms in 2002 PTS are already GA or better! That was a big project of mine a few years back. I applaud Noah's efforts for 2018, and I think we should aim for as many global GT/FT's as possible. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 14:40, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
Yes. We're already in better standing than most WikiProjects, of course. Also, what's the difference between a good topic and a featured topic? 🐔ChicdatBawk to me!10:08, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
A good topic is a topic in which every article in it is a good article or better. A featured topic has at least half the articles being featured. So if a topic had 10 articles, 5 would have to be featured for FT. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 13:30, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
Thank you for all of the edits you do, and for the Football! Also, giving you one to bring it up to two that you have received today! 🌀Weatherman27🏈 (talk). 17:41, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
I'm very very lucky I didn't. And I won't, that's for sure. Also, I think you meant that I would have probably gone into the ways of PythonSwarm and prahlad balaji 🐔ChicdatBawk to me!10:46, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
Hi Chicdat! The thread you created at the Wikipedia:Teahouse, Technical problem, has been archived because there was no discussion for a few days (usually at least two days, and sometimes four or more). You can still find the archived discussion here. If you have any additional questions that weren't answered then, please feel free to create a new thread.
Hi Chicdat! The thread you created at the Wikipedia:Teahouse, A question, has been archived because there was no discussion for a few days (usually at least two days, and sometimes four or more). You can still find the archived discussion here. If you have any additional questions that weren't answered then, please feel free to create a new thread.
You deserve this barnstar because it's clear you care a lot about this project! Take pride in your work, even when it's not perfect, and even if others don't appreciate it. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 00:48, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
Hey there Chicdat! Having two GANs failed can be really disappointing. But take heart, people still very appreciate your contribs and your dedication to the project! ~Destroyeraa🌀15:29, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
Are you saying I put the OR in on purpose? There is only one sentence that is not cited to a particular source, directly or indirectly (indirectly means in the lead): "Severe Tropical Cyclone Owen was a long-lived and erratic tropical cyclone that hit Australia in mid-December 2018". That's all I can think of. 🐔ChicdatBawk to me!10:43, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
Agreed, I wasn't sure whether it would be better as FL or FA, but considering how much text and tables there are, I think the end game for these global TC articles should be FL. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 02:03, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
@SMB99thx and Hurricanehink: Yes, they should be FL. But there will be a lot of work involved in getting one of these there. Honestly, this is one reason why the 2018 FT project exists. We have to establish a precedent for what these articles will look like once finished. However, one can't really call an article like this an FL without having researched the storms of the year. NoahTalk10:51, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
As long as you can pull out from the trouble, getting 2002 FT done might get you into the contention for WikiProject Tropical cyclones Member of the Month. I'm hoping that you can do things all right. SMB99thxmy edits04:42, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
Hey Chicdat! I wanted to ask you on some advice for Tropical Cyclone editing. I am sorry if my summaries and edit were not needed, but I was trying to condense information and replace those that I deleted; I am still pretty new to Wikipedia, so if there is a better way to help out, I am certainly there to do it. All I really want is to help out on the tropical cyclone pages and not confuse new readers, since they get pretty popular during an active season (I assisted in multiple seasonal articles since 2018). Please let me know if you know a better way I could work, or if you have any articles that need assistance/fixing!JoeMT615 (talk) 22:44, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
I think that if you want to do big removals like that, then you should ask on the talk page until you get more experience. On the other hand, if you're making a small edit that won't be controversial, then do it, no asking needed. 🐔ChicdatBawk to me!11:35, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
Thank you so much! I really value Writer's Barnstars. I really hope that I can finish 2002 before Wikipedia turns 20. 2002 is the chicken, Wikipedia is the egg. Who comes first, the 🐔 or the 🥚? 🐔ChicdatBawk to me!12:59, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
I don't think that Eta's impact there was enough to warrant a subarticle, but for input from other editors, go to the talk page, and by all means ask. 🐔ChicdatBawk to me!12:24, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
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It seems that all storms in that TCWC get their names automatically retired. Honestly, I think that one day they'll run out of names, but if/when Isaias is retired, what will it and Imelda get replaced with? Are there any more I names out there? 🐔ChicdatBawk to me!11:15, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
Merger
Regarding this edit, are you actually planning on merging the article? All you did was redirect a good article, which is disservice to the edits made to the article. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 14:21, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
That's good. Just be sure, in the future, to actually merge in the content, and not just remove the article link, especially for a GA. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 14:37, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
On the same subject, this doesn't cover 90% of the impact. There shouldn't be a loss of encyclopedic content during merges. SMB99thx's already completed this merge but if you decide to carry out more mergers in the future please actually incorporate the merged content into the target article. ~ KN2731 {talk · contribs} 13:15, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
After looking at your time card, your editing seems to fall off after 9:00, and there are a few edits after that. Your latest edit was at 9:00 PM. Anyway, it appears that message was sent at 5:59. HurricaneTracker495 (talk) 13:31, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
The damage of Amphan was higher than that of Nargis, as numerous sources say so, and therefore it can be included on Wikipedia. Such unsourced additions are not accepted on Wikipedia. 🐔ChicdatBawk to me!11:40, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
Please do not accuse me of not providing a reason for my edits in my edit summary when deciding to revert them. The reason is clear in the heading. If you decide to revert them because you strongly disagree, please give a valid or real reason reason in your edit summary. Thank you.Encomendado (talk) 11:23, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
I understand why you didn't get to keep rollback-due to misuse. But that was half a year in the past. I strongly urge you to get rollback because it would help with antivandalism fighting. Whatever you did in May is 6 months in the past. --HurricaneTracker495 (talk) 20:27, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
I disagree with what you said in your request. Enabling Huggle is really the only good reason and the way things are going, I unfortionately think it's going to be declined. Be more careful in your wording. --HurricaneTracker495 (talk) 13:47, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
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If he is were to get into sockpuppetry again (and might have to get into 6 month-time away from Wikipedia), I might have to step up in his role and fill the void - which is going to be hard personally for me. SMB99thxmy edits!13:00, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
Hello, Nioni1234. Before you make this draft, please, please, read Wikipedia's policies on articles and article content. I don't want your draft to be full of copyright violations, unreliable sources, unsourced information, or any of that stuff. Tropical Storm Chantal is only notable if it has large amounts of coverage in reliable, published, secondary sources. If you don't understand what that means, read Wikipedia's policies on articles and article content. Once you're done with all that, then you can create a draft. 🐔ChicdatBawk to me!11:10, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
If I may jump in, every storm is notable enough to appear on Wikipedia. The only reason to make a sub-article is if there is substantial amount of content that isn't in the season article. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 15:55, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
Disclosure
I have edited Destroyeraa's talk page after he has been blocked. This is in conflict with my agreement to stay out of blocks/unblocks. However, I'll keep this to a minimum in the future.
Hi, hope all is well. 01U is not the first case for a TL from the Australian region to exit the basin towards the SWio. Don't you think it's unofficial should the MFR not recognise the system since only the BoM was tracking it? It would be nice to hear from your perspectives on this. Typhoon2013(talk)23:26, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
@Typhoon2013: Wait and see how things develop over the next few days before calling it official or unoffical - MFR has called it a Zone of Disturbed Weather and hinted that its got a shot at development later in the week.Jason Rees (talk) 23:56, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
2017-18 needs to be looked at carefully - was the August system really TL 01U? I doubt it and would need to see a source for it being so. Especially when you consider that Cempaka was 02U.Jason Rees (talk) 01:53, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
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The Hurricane Herald is the semi-regular newsletter of WikiProject Tropical Cyclones. The newsletter aims to provide in summary the recent activities and developments of the WikiProject, in addition to global tropical cyclone activity. The Hurricane Herald has been running since its first edition ran on June 4, 2006. If you wish to receive or discontinue subscription to this newsletter, please visit the mailing list. This issue of The Hurricane Herald covers all project related events from October 5–November 30, 2020. This edition's editors and authors are SMB99thx, Weatherman27, Chicdat, Hurricanehink, Cyclone Toby, Typhoon2013, and ChessEric.
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From the Main Page documents WikiProject related materials that have appeared on the main page from October 5–November 30, 2020 in chronological order.
20th Anniversary push: some goals for the 20th year of Wikipedia (January 15, 2021!) include the creation or improvement of many other articles listed in the first section on the WPTC talk page.
Current assessment table
Assessments valid as of this printing. Depending on when you may be viewing this newsletter, the table may be outdated. See here for the latest, most up to date statistics. As of this issue, there are 164 featured articles and 70 featured lists. There are 133 A-class articles, and 1,010 good articles. There are only 71 B-class articles, perhaps because because most articles of that quality already passed a GA review. There are 415 C-class articles, 788 start-class articles, and 182 stub-class articles, with 23 lists, and 9 current articles. These figures mean that slightly more than half of the project is rated a GA or better. Typhoon Warren was the 1000th GA in the project.
The following is the current progress on the three milestone goals set by the WikiProject as of this publishing. They can be found, updated, at the main WikiProject page.
Storms of the month and other tropical activity for October and November
SotM for October: Typhoon Goni / Rolly
Typhoon Goni formed from east of The Philippines towards the end of October, just as Typhoon Molave ravaged the country. Taking in the plentiful favorable conditions, Goni, known as Rolly in The Philippines, explosively intensified into a Category-5 equivalent hurricane just three days after it became a tropical depression. An eyewall replacement cycle managed to curb its intensification. Goni finished the cycle a few hours before it made landfall, and explosively intensified again into winds of 195 mph (JTWC) and a pressure of 884 mbar. This allowed it to tie with typhoons Haiyan and Meranti as the strongest typhoon by wind speed. Goni made landfall at peak intensity, killing 25 people and causing US$368 million in damage.
SotM for November: Hurricane Iota
Hurricane Iota developed in the central Caribbean Sea in mid-November. Like Goni, it explosively intensified, strengthening 120 mph in 48 hours, and deepening 81 mbar in the same amount of time. Iota explosively strengthened late on November 15 and early on November 16, becoming a Category 5 hurricane at 15:00 UTC on the 16th. By the time Iota had achieved C5 intensity, three people were already dead in Colombia due to landslides. As the storm made landfall, and subsequently weakened and dissipated, adding to the destruction from Hurricane Eta. Iota killed at least 61 people.
Atlantic - Gamma, Delta, Epsilon, Zeta, Eta, Theta, Iota.
The active Atlantic hurricane season continued. In early October, Tropical Storm Gamma dissipated over the northern Yucatan and was absorbed by powerful Hurricane Delta, which was the season's third major hurricane. Delta weakened before hitting Quintana Roo, but restrengthened in the Gulf of Mexico, later hitting Louisiana as a low-end Category 2 hurricane in nearly the same location as Hurricane Laura in August. Delta killed six people and left US$4 billion in damage. A few days later, Hurricane Epsilon developed southeast of Bermuda, becoming a major hurricane and brushing the island to the east. Hurricane Zeta followed a similar path as Delta, striking Quintana Roo and later striking southeastern Louisiana as a Category 2 hurricane; it killed 8 people and left U$3 billion in damage. At the end of the month, Hurricane Eta developed, becoming a strong Category 4 hurricane before striking Nicaragua. After killing hundreds of people in Central America, Eta reformed in the northwestern Caribbean. It made another landfall in Cuba, moved over the Florida Keys, and briefly became a hurricane again in the eastern Gulf of Mexico, before weakening and striking Cedar Key, Florida as a tropical storm. In early November, Tropical Storm Theta developed from a non-tropical low and moved across the eastern Atlantic.
Eastern Pacific - Tropical Storm Norbert was the basin's only storm in October. It formed southwest of Mexico, though wind shear killed it off within a few days. Norbert then pulled a surprise on meteorologists: it regenerated into a tropical storm again on October 13, although it eventually dying again two days later. In early November, the season's next system, Tropical storm Odalys, formed, which remained weak off southwest Mexico. After an 11-day lull in activity, Tropical Storm Polo southwest of Mexico, which dissipated two days after its formation.
Western Pacific - In early October, Typhoon Chan-Hom passed south of Japan and turned to the southeast, dissipating after 12 days. A series of storms affected Vietnam, causing deadly floods that killed over 200 people. In short succession, tropical storms Linfa and Nangka struck the country. Typhoon Saudel moved across the Philippines and later struck Vietnam. Typhoon Molave crossed the central Philippines and later hit Vietnam, killing 71 people. After the powerful Typhoon Goni, Tropical Storm Atsani reached peak intensity southeast of Taiwan before dissipating. In early November, Tropical Storm Etau struck southeastern Vietnam, followed days later by Typhoon Vamco, which crossed the Philippines and hit central Vietnam.
2020 North Indian Ocean cyclone season - after a long hiatus, the season sprang to life with one deep depression and two tropical depressions in October. Deep Depression BOB 02 killed 98 people in Central India, and flooded the city of Hyderabad. The system redeveloped into a depression in the Arabian Sea. Later in the month, a depression struck West Bengal. In November, Cyclone Gati explosively intensified before hitting northeastern Somalia, becoming the strongest tropical cyclone on record there; Gati killed at least eight people after dropping more than a year's worth of rain. Later in the month, Cyclone Nivar struck southeastern India. As the month ended, another depression was developing east of Sri Lanka.
Robloxsupersuperhappyface joined Wikipedia in July of this year, and has become the most prolific tropical cyclone editor relating to current events, as well as playing an enormous role in creation of newly formed tropical cyclones that eventually became destructive in many regions they are affected in (Hurricane Sally to Gulf Coast of the United States, Typhoon Goni to the Philippines, and Hurricane Iota to Central America respectively - Also, both Goni and Iota are Storms of the Month!). Because of that reason, Robloxsupersuperhappyface's articles are the one of the most viewed tropical cyclone articles in this year - as well as helped us on inviting prospective tropical cyclone editors to this project as they edited Robloxsupersuperhappyface's articles, leading into why we have more than 100 members in this WikiProject leading to this issue. As the result of brilliant Robloxsupersuperhappyface's contributions, we want to give many, many thanks to Super for helping this WikiProject grow so much recently. Happy Thanksgiving!
New WikiProject Members since the last newsletter - project membership is over 100 now!
More information can be found here. This list lists members who have joined/rejoined the WikiProject since the release of the last issue. Sorted chronologically in order of which they joined.
To our new members: welcome to the project, and happy editing! Feel free to check the to-do list at the bottom right of the newsletter for things that you might want to work on. To our veteran members: thank you for your edits and your tireless contributions!
Let's talk about that - An opinion piece by Weatherman27
Before I start, I would like to link everyone to a new essay regarding Force Thirteen. Here it is: WP:F13. I recommend users (old and new) to read this to understand why we don't use Force Thirteen as a source, and why it isn't a reliable source. If you want to see what good reliable sources are, read this: WP:WPTC/AS Now, I will get to the main point of this opinion piece.
Recently, I have gotten more involved in talk pages, and sharing my ideas and/or my opinions on different issues or ideas that have come up, primarily on 2020 Atlantic hurricane season's talk page. As I have discussed these thoughts and ideas with other editors, I have noticed and experienced some things such as being personally attacked, which has led me to want to reiterated some key points here. Despite the fact that they are mentioned commonly at the top of talk pages, I want to bring these up as it is important to have a good base where people can properly chat and discuss topics in peace.
1. Treat others with respect This one can't be stressed enough. Especially on talk pages, it is a place where you and your peers communicate issues, opinions, or ideas to each-other. This means discussing topics in a kind and adult manner. There is nothing wrong with disagreeing in what somebody may say, but that does not mean that you have the right to put them down for not having similar views. It is simply the Golden Rule.
2. Assume Good faith Along with my first point, I feel this one needs to be brought up. People have different opinions, and that is all right, but just because you may not agree with it or what they say, does not mean that it was not out of good faith. They were most likely voicing what they think on the subject, and that is alright. This also goes for edits. Unless it is pretty obvious that a user as vandalized something, it is always good to assume good faith, as other people might not know the rules as well as a more experienced editor.
3. Avoid Personal attacks This is a very important subject that needs to be remembered not just on talk pages, but on all other parts of Wikipedia as well. On talk pages, discussions can get pretty tense and heated, and I admit that I have gotten into a few of these arguments as well. Despite this, it is never okay to attack someone. As a user who has gotten personally attacked before, I can definitely say that it does not feel good, and usually the person who made the attacked will get warned or blocked, so please be kind and accept what other people have to say, because you will get nowhere by being rude.
4. Come to a consensus (preferably a clear one) On talk pages, whenever there is a discussion regarding something important like the merging of an article, people need to decide what the outcome of something important on a talk page. For example, if there is say, a merge discussion for an article on a tropical cyclone, many people will give their input. Usually, different people will have different views on whether to merge or keep the article. Sometimes, the editor will close the discussion early, but this is usually for unrelated reasons, though it sometimes may be because the editor had a change of mind. Now, if there is support for say a merge of the article, then that will be the consensus and the discussion will be closed and the article merged. This can also happen on the opposite side, if an article is to be kept, the discussion will be closed and article kept. Simply put, it is important to discuss and come to a clear decision if there is a consensus involved, to avoid difficulty with the article or page in the future.
These are just a few examples of things that editors of the WPTC need to remember when using talk page discussions. There are plenty of other things not mentioned here that are just as important when it comes to using talk pages. I made this simply to help remind editors the key points when using the discussions, and I hope these were helpful to new users as well as veterans. We need to really get better at staying calm and keeping civil. I have noticed lots of hostility and arguing lately, as well as edit warring and disputes. We need to work this out. We are supposed to work together as WPTC editors, so please fix it. It is sad seeing so many editors getting reported or having to get blocked from this. Once again, keep discussions civil and have a good day. Signing off,
My experiences as a WikiProject Tropical cyclones member by SMB99thx
Hello again, people of the WikiProject Tropical cyclones! In here, I want to tell how my experiences with WikiProject Tropical Cyclones changed my views on WikiProjects, helped me out of trouble and to be able to regain the trust of many people in Wikipedia.
When I joined WikiProject Tropical cyclones, it was the second WikiProject I have ever joined. The first WikiProject I have ever joined is WikiProject COVID-19, and the reason why I joined that project is to gain trust of people when I contributed to COVID-19 articles and as well as my fight against an IP editor which turned out to be the LTA named Bedriczwaleta (and has been active much more longer than I thought, since February of last year (!!!!)). I have the same thought process (and combined with my plans of editing old season articles, which is not done yet) when I first joined this WikiProject, but joining the WikiProject Tropical cyclones turned out to be something different. It led me to know what are the purposes of WikiProjects are and in turn led me to join many other WikiProjects since.
As such, what made me change my views on WikiProjects during my time as a WikiProject Tropical Cyclones?
First of all, I have seen that WikiProject Tropical cyclones members always actively work together to advance project goals, actively participating in discussions and give much-needed advice on new WikiProject Tropical cyclones members (including me). Second, WPTC really cares about our articles (and the assessments) as part of their project goals. 2018 FT project and Meteorological history of Hurricane Dorian (Four Award!) is a prime example of this. Third, we are actively welcoming the new members of this WikiProject and giving these members opportunity to succeed with us by i.e. giving out WikiLove (barnstars). Fourth, we, like WP COVID-19, actively fight against vandals and other LTAs e.g. Sidow........., UnderArmorKid, and Iphonehurricane95.
These kinds of activity led me to change my belief on what WikiProjects truly are. You could see this kind of activity on other good WikiProjects like WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors, which I just joined recently on 26 October 2020 as of this newsletter and WikiProject Articles of Creation, which I have interest on joining but I might not be able to.
Now, why WikiProject Tropical cyclones brought me out of trouble (and Chicdat, for that matter)?
WikiProject Tropical cyclones is generally a content-creating WikiProject. We really care about improving tropical cyclone coverage on Wikipedia. Members of this WikiProject generally encouraged to communicate and discuss (in Wikipedia, in Discord, or in IRC channel), and this is what helped me and Chicdat out from trouble since our discussions from what I have seen is not always administrative.
Before I joined WikiProject Tropical cyclones (and when I was still new to WikiProject Tropical cyclones), I have been putting myself on trouble numerous times. I was an ANI regular, and as an ANI regular I detailed about my struggle to deal with the LTA Bedriczwaleta and I'm was also putting up IBAN proposals of User:Jadebenn and User:Moamem as well as User:U1Quattro and User:1292simon. While I have managed to get my proposal succeeded and finally got Bedriczwaleta back on track for a while (what I thought), in August 20 (as I was about to finalize my decision to enter my college I'm currently in right now) I got myself into serious trouble against IP range 185.66.252.0/23 (which is apparently good at programming - I'm not). I tried to get them blocked for PA (calling me a thief who has a black soul), but this is where when I realized that I had to attribute things I copied within Wikipedia and I had to apologize to the user. Since then, I did my best to attribute everything I had copied articles from (Example) and I also realized that ANI is not for me (as I do not want to get into troubles by just being there), which led me to quitting ANI until November of this year when I decided to involve myself on Miggy72 dispute (now banned for sockpuppetry - Miggy72 could have been invited to WPTC if he stopped on insisting to create non-notable topics).
After that incident with the IP range 185.66.252.0/23, I have stated that I do not want to get myself into trouble as a presence in ANI. As such, I decided to focus on what I want to do, which is to continue my project of splitting season articles of the yesteryear and began to increasingly involve myself within the project - to look for help and giving the best help that I can do for this WikiProject. The activity from that September led me to become Member of the Month in the previous edition of this newsletter. It was a comeback that I needed, and I want to thank WikiProject Tropical cyclones (especially Hurricanehink) for getting me on this situation. Without their help, I'm not sure if I could be here on this day.
Now, for the final question – why this WikiProject helped me (and Chicdat) regain trust of many people in Wikipedia?
As I stated before, this WikiProject encourages discussion within other members of this WikiProject, which in turn encourages close involvement in all sides of this WikiProject. Because of this, some people are actually helping us learning policies in Wikipedia as the time goes on, rather than falling in into blocks. As such, with time, I have seen that some admins are open for Chicdat to become a rollbacker, while I got hold on several automated gadgets that was more useful. It appears that these tools are the reason why these people are one of the more trusted people in Wikipedia, which in turn helped me a lot at gaining trust. Someday in the future, I'm looking to become an admin by myself. But that's for the another day. For now, what I'm currently doing now is to work at my craft to eventually prepare for the day when I will seek for adminship in the years ahead.
By the way, to me, both Binbin0111 and Miggy72 are young, but unfortunately they took on the wrong path (Binbin0111 was one of the earliest Force Thirteen insinuators - Binbin0111 is probably the impetus of Force Thirteen policy in this project (as it was made back in 2017), while Miggy72... we know what happened). I feel bad for them, especially Binbin0111. Had Binbin0111 is willing to learn and took steps forward to become productive young editor like Yellow Evan and two other resilient young editors I have mentioned did, Binbin0111 could have been one of the most valuable editors in this project, especially in matters related to Western Pacific basin, and in extension, Vietnam.
That's it. That's what I have to say. College is increasingly getting into my feelings right now, but I will do my best as I can coming into December. Sorry if I have a bad English. Thanks for reading this opinion piece!
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Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Cyclone Owen you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Hurricane Noah -- Hurricane Noah (talk) 13:01, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
Owen and other articles
Hey again Chicdat! Long time no talk. I see you're trying to nom Owen again. I'm glad you're still trying - that's important, even if you don't get it at first. Do you understand the concerns that Noah brought up in his review? The article is in generally decent shape. Your sourcing is pretty good. One of your issues is that you wrote the article like you were going source by source (mentioning the minor damage several times), instead of giving a good overall account of the storm. The Queensland section mentions "Queensland" 11 times in only three short paragraph, and includes a rehashing of the met history by going over Owen's effects in different parts of Queensland. However, you could achieve the same effect by saying "Cyclone Owen brought heavy rainfall to much of Queensland, extending several hundred kilometres inland." Also, one last note - you said in the caption of the image that Owen was "ex-tropical" on Dec 10th, but the met history says nothing about it being extratropical. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 15:37, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
Take it easy, Chicdat. You'll eventually get Owen to GA, even if it takes some time. I had a tough time with Barry, though the experience makes you a better writer. Keep at it, and have a wonderful holiday. ~Destroyer🌀🌀22:53, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
Hi, You seem to have rejected the page I created as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Forum_of_Indian_Food_Importers. I understand that as I have used certain parts from the website, which might have been copyrighted. Can you please guide me if I recreate a new page or re-submit the same. I am happy to do either. Also, I hope that Wikipedia is not fixated with the idea of not accepting a page if it has been rejected once. Thank you for your kind guidance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Juliansekar (talk • contribs) 14:58, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
@Juliansekar: Hello. On Wikipedia, we do not accept plagiarism, especially copying references. Therefore, it violates our copyright policy. If this happens again, then a user will press a big red button that stops you from editing, good or bad. Bottom line: I rejected this for a good reason. If you want to retrieve the page, then simply stop here and request it. Have any questions? Just ask me or, if you don't understand, the people here will help you. Thanks, 🐔ChicdatBawk to me!12:48, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
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