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Weather templates

Hi! I see you reverted my template changes, apparently I was reading the wrong dataset. That's fine. What actually made me do the edit was the word "trace" in the middle of otherwise numeric values. I'm using the weather data in my application, and I now have to hard code the "trace" into the code, just to convert it to 0. In short, I do not think it's a good idea to have classified values in the middle of numeric values. --rdnk (talk) 14:16, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

@Rdnk: It's understandable...I had to hard-code against errors in even the NCDC sets as well. Just treat them as 0s in sums / averages as does the NWS. CaradhrasAiguo (talk) 18:19, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

Re: Edit on Xianyang

Hi I rolled back the edit here because the editor didn't supply a summary and the editor had previously had an edit on the same article reverted. I will advise the editor what the edit summary area is for. Regards,   Aloha27  talk  21:08, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

Weatherbox

I'M THE ONE WHO ADDED THE MEAN MAX AND MEAN MIN PARAMETERS IN THE WEATHERBOX TEMPLATE AND I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO IMPLEMENT THAT DATA TO VARIOUS WEATHERBOXES FOR DIFFERENT CITIES. I just want to ask if you are retrieving the data manually from NOW data, or is there a different source for this? Koopatrev (talk) 12:21, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

@Koopatrev: Yes, NOWData, which uses XMACIS interface anyway. I just copy-and-paste the 1981–2010 tabular data into a spreadsheet, minimising the manual work. CaradhrasAiguo (talk) 14:12, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

Single use weather boxes

Hi, why are you undoing the merger with the articles? There has been significant consensus at TFD over years that single-use weatherbox templates should be merged with the article and deleted. Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 23:30, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

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Weather comparison tables

Hi! I personally like sortable weather comparison tables, which you have removed from a few United States climate pages. It allows the cities to be compared. It's much harder to do that with {{Weather box}}.

However, I recognize sorting by high temperature is silly. So perhaps I could make a template that takes max, min, and avg as input, and displays max and min while adding the mean as sortkey using data-sort-value="avg temp". It would confuse some people, but there could be an explanatory note. I think I'll experiment with that idea using the table in Climate of California, though first I have to add sources for the data, which I failed to do while I was adding cities to the table.

The other thing is that the tables should have color like the List of cities by temperature that I'm working on. — Eru·tuon 18:11, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

Multiple weather box templates in Central Valley breaks references

The transclusion of multiple weatherbox templates at Central Valley (California) has introduced multiple references with the same name, causing errors in the References section. Can you fix? thanks! —hike395 (talk) 01:24, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

Just noticed the same problem at Long Island. This may be happening whenever you transclude multiple weatherbox templates. Could you kindly fix? Thanks! —hike395 (talk) 01:27, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
@Hike395: I had noticed this problem at Geography of North Carolina and {{South Carolina weatherbox}}, so fixed it there. Once I get back to editing, the other places will be first priority. CaradhrasAiguo (talk) 02:01, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
This has also happened at Climate of California. It would be good to check the references section whenever you add multiple weatherbox templates to a page. — Eru·tuon 02:11, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

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Labeled section transclusion for Minneapolis weatherbox

Could you explain why you would prefer not to use labeled section transclusion? (Or perhaps I am presuming your motive and you simply reverted me because I made the change without discussing it somewhere.) I like having the weatherbox editable on the page of the city that it describes. — Eru·tuon 21:50, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

@Erutuon: 1) It is against existing practise / consensus across multiple templates (e.g. all templates at Category:United States weatherbox templates that were not nominated on 4 Sept). 2) You mentioned the template option, not LST, at the Sept discussion, so it seems amiss to change mind that rapidly. CaradhrasAiguo (talk) 14:03, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
@CaradhrasAiguo: I reserve the right to change my mind as quickly as I want. But in that TfD, I was commenting on what I thought other people's reasoning was. I was agnostic on the subject.
When someone mentioned labeled section transclusion, I had never heard of it before, and I thought it was a more elegant solution than creating a separate template. It's quite annoying coming to an article and discovering that you cannot edit the weather box, but have to go to another page. So now I think LST is a better solution than separate templates. I think it was never discussed when people were creating all these separate templates, and perhaps they would have chosen LST instead if they had known about it. — Eru·tuon 19:59, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

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Samsnow engaging in tendentious editing

Hi,

Can you please help me try to engage Samsnow in mediation to stop their tendentious editing? They keep deleting the majority of the criticism section or including clearly biased text explaining why the organization should not be criticized.

Thanks,

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Template:Columbus, Ohio weatherbox

Don't forgot to update the Template:Columbus, Ohio weatherbox. You must of forgot about that, but I just thought I let you know.

The all-time record February high temperature of 78°F was recorded on February 24, 2017 at John Glenn Columbus International Airport for Columbus, Ohio NOAA. The old all-time record February high temperature was 75°F on February 26, 2000. OHWiki (talk) 03:35, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

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Regarding our editing war on PRC vs China

I'm afraid you have misinterpreted what MOS:NC-CN means. The original text states When discussing geography, those places within the territorial control of the People's Republic of China should generally be said to be in "China". I think it has justified my edits. So please refrain from reverting my changes. Thanks!--211.142.189.66 (talk) 03:06, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

And in the infobox, there is a strong case that the fields refer to political divisions, not mere "geography". There is no harm in 3 extra words in an infobox where everything is separated line-by-line.
And stop shopping for editors to join in on a WP:POINTless edit war that you began, per WP:BRD. It does not reek well, especially when you interpret their drive-by "welcoming" as an endorsement or support of your edits; it should be very apparent from the mass Twinkle template usage that (s)he was driving by. CaradhrasAiguo (talk) 07:47, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Infobox flags

Please don't change/remove the PRC flag and 'China' in the infobox on the Wuhan page until you have successfully changed the infobox on the Beijing and Shanghai pages. Most major cities on wikipedia have the flag of the country followed by the name of the country in the infobox- see New York City, London, Mexico City, etc. Geographyinitiative (talk) 07:07, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

I do not think WP:OSE is a convincing argument here, since the vast majority of the mainland settlements do not have a flag. Per WP:MOSFLAG, there is nothing to add here, unlike with sportsperson articles where the relevant MOS seems to override WP:MOSFLAG. CaradhrasAiguo (talk) 04:29, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
As with MOS:INFOBOXFLAG, the relevant MOS you are speaking about that overrides for sportsperson's articles also overrides for cities. Waddie96 (talk) 18:53, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

Revert

Hey

Regarding the revert diff to Beijing:

According to WP:DWS:

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Is this one of those complicated procedures? If not, why revert an edit that is legitimate and fully supported by MOS:INFOBOXFLAG? Otherwise, please explain... Waddie96 (talk) 16:54, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

@CaradhrasAiguo: Simply writing see my talk and reverting my revert (diff)? I've read the above but it does not answer my question as above. Once again, it is a legitimate edit; it has nothing to do with the sockpuppeteer's political stance on WP, the edit is valid. Waddie96 (talk) 17:24, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
@Waddie96: The sockpuppet is displaying a disruptive (covered under or is clearly disruptive) pattern of harassment by following my edit history, enough to the extent that Shenyang ([1]) and Chengdu ([2]) have both been protected. Allowing this sockpuppeteer to circumvent these protections by answering WP:POINTy edit requests is not sound.
Nope, consistency across articles in a particular region (here, mainland China) overrides any excessively nationalist whims of sockpuppets like Whaterss. Note there was no frivolous flag at Beijing's infobox until a single-purpose IP added it. CaradhrasAiguo (talk) 17:27, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
Explain to me how replacing People's Republic of China with China and their flag is nationalistic? They're synonyms, and the flag assists readers in identifying the country. The consistency was flags until you removed them from Shanghai here. As with most major cities – see New York City, London, Mexico City, etc. as mentioned above. Waddie96 (talk) 18:47, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

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@Waddie96: I already pointed out the flag was absent from Beijing's infobox continuously until July 2016; a similar situation exists with Shanghai as I noted at Talk:Shanghai. Your summary (The consistency was flags until you removed them from) is a misleading description of the timeline of events here. Harbin and Lhasa are yet more major cities without the flag.
This edit summary is not welcome, presenting the flags as an established convention, when WP:MOSINFOBOXFLAG does not mandate their use (and never has, likely never will) and neither does WP:MOS-ZH.
The sockpuppeteer has been blocked for taking edits excessively in favor of the CCP line, and note the edit summary here; he regards my removal of a redundancy to be "censorship". So everything he does should be regarded in a nationalist light. CaradhrasAiguo (talk) 19:48, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

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ISO 3166-2:CN

The ISO 3166-2:CN codes for China has been updated it is no longer numbers they are now aligned with the GB/T 2260-1995 CSBTS. — ASDFGH (talk?) 20:32, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

@ASDFGH: I took the ISO-3166-2:CN from each of the provincial articles. So do you mean Administrative division codes of the People's Republic of China (GB/T 2260-2007)?
Ah, I see, you have simply replaced the digits XX with the two-letter abbreviation. I'll take care of my previous edits via AWB then. CaradhrasAiguo (talk) 20:35, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

Manchu people

Sorry, I recently reverted the new user Uavanaz's lengthy and irrelevant edit of Manchu people, but I believe I accidentally reverted your constructive edits as well. How do I only restore your edits in this case? Thanks!--Šolon (talk) 00:10, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

@Šolon: Sorry for not seeing the history of Uavanaz's edit in AWB. I just edited from my last revision and removed that which Uavanaz inserted after Cluebot. CaradhrasAiguo (talk) 01:45, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

David Chu (Hong Kong politician)

Just wanted to thank you for your ongoing work cleaning up Chinese-language-related formatting issues. Too bad that manual formatting inside citation templates (like this) is still necessary, what we really need is "script-journal" and "trans-journal" parameters inside CS1 templates (like the already-existing script-title and trans-title parameters). Happy editing! quant18 (talk) 01:53, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

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your awb script is broken

With this edit, your awb script added {{lang}} templates to the |chapter= parameters of cs1|2 templates. The content of |chapter= is made part of the cs1|2 template's meta data which is corrupted then the content of |chapter= holds anything but plain text. Here is the content that the Module:Citation/CS1 sees when |chapter= holds:

|chapter={{noitalic|{{lang|zh-hans|南唐再兴金陵城}}}}
<span style="font-style:normal;"><span lang="zh-Hans" title="Chinese language text">南唐再兴金陵城</span>[[Category:Articles containing Chinese-language text]]</span>
Please adjust your awb script so that it no longer makes these kinds of edits.
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@Trappist the monk: Thank you for correcting my error (and thus I have seen that the solution is to use the script-chapter parameter) instead, but I did that change manually. Do you have any ideas on a RegEx to detect non-Latin script titles in citations and fix them without replacing any of the characters? CaradhrasAiguo (talk) 14:18, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
Adding {{ping}} to an existing message, as you did here, does not work.
See here for detecting non-Latin characters.
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Just out of curiosity

It seems that it is politically correct for you to refer China as People's Republic of China which nothing but a blatant violation of MOS:NC-CN and Talk:Chinese civilization/Archive 26#Primary topic of China that are both consensuses of English Wikipedia. You, however, have been repeatedly ignoring community consensus and impose your own point on English Wikipedia that perfectly disobeys WP:POINT. --123.161.169.114 (talk) 00:56, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

  • CaradhrasAiguo, I came here to see if there was any fallout of that AIV report of yours, and came across this. I am no expert on this matter, but is the IP not correct? I have no problem blocking IPs, IP ranges, socks, etc. if they are disruptive--you can check my log if you like--but the question of whether they're right or not is certainly of interest. Drmies (talk) 16:31, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
  • No, he is not with the incendiary assertion that I have been impose your own point on English Wikipedia, as I have not been changing the short form to the formal name in any of the edits I have made to stations on the Shanghai Metro, Beijing Subway, or Guangzhou Metro (which usually have a "country" field). This is, dare I say (and I hope this is not a personal attack), projection from Whaterss, so I chose to ignore his message. In addition to the behavior I've already noted, I previously complained about the canvassing-like actions of another Whaterss sock; there's also the puerile nationalism accompanying a bad-faith edit summary. CaradhrasAiguo (talk) 16:42, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

@Drmies: He's (Whaterss) back with another disruptive wave using the IP 223.104.109.51. Little doubt that by the time I awaken there will be, yet again, another IP engaging in circular firing with him. CaradhrasAiguo (talk) 04:55, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

  • I placed a block or two, including a range. Ha, I need more coffee--I blocked an IP or two without looking at the dates: they had made those edits last week. Ah well. What you can do to help even more is to update the SPI, maybe--add IPs and ranges. Can't remember if you'd already done something like that. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 13:58, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

Infobox station and zh-hant text

There's already a switch in {{Infobox station}} to turn off bold for zh-hans text, or at least i think there's one. Should this be done for zh-hant as well? Jc86035 (talk) 16:46, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

The switch works for "zh" or "zh-Hans" with the H in Hans capitalized; it doesn't function if it is in lowercase. Please get it going for "zh-hans" lowercase, "zh-hant", "zh-Hant", "zh-hk", "zh-tw" as well. I just took care of (or I believe I did) the Singapore MRT stations. CaradhrasAiguo (talk) 16:50, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
It should be working now. What's the reason for doing this, actually? The Chinese Wikipedia bolds the station names in both Traditional and Simplified Chinese. Jc86035 (talk) 21:17, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
To save several clicks as opposed to a scroll? You still have to toggle between the variants when navigating to Chinese Wikipedia. CaradhrasAiguo (talk) 21:37, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
Never mind; I found WP:CHINESECHARACTERS. Jc86035 (talk) 21:47, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

@Jc86035: Thanks for the work on the MTR stations. Could you also turn off the bold for KO text (all variants, i.e. ko, ko-kr, ko-kp, ko-cn) as well? CaradhrasAiguo (talk) 23:32, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

@CaradhrasAiguo: Done. Jc86035 (talk) 00:18, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

regarding to Chiang Kai-shek and Chiang Ching-kuo

hello, don't act like a kid, LOL! don't think that when you try to delete my comments in here, then pretend that nothing is going on. your behavior proves that you are afraid of my argument of neutral information. 

in my point of view, the Republic of China is neutral and Official name, taiwan is just a name of island, it is like the great britain is name of island, the name of nation is call United Kingdom, so when you treat taiwan as country, it is totally wrong for name of it, the correct name of country is call Republic of China, and known as Free China. it is common sense and neutral point of view: there are two china in the world(truth), first is the Republic of China(Free China), another one is the People's Republic of China(Red China), both 2 China have said that they are the only legitimate government that represents China. Both sides deny each other, when you only treat the People’s Republic of China as China, you are not neutral because you recognize the one-China policy of PRC, please consider my opinion, thank you!--219.79.116.5 (talk) 02:37, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

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Lantian County Infobox Pushpin map problem

Hey- do you have any suggestions about how to fix the Pushpin map in the Infobox on the Lantian County page? I'm trying to figure it out myself right now. Geographyinitiative (talk) 23:48, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

I would remove it altogether because there already is the Xi’an subdivisions map included. CaradhrasAiguo (talk) 00:02, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

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@TaerkastUA: You should be speaking to Uaat, who has in the past few hours also edited similarly at Premier of the ROC; I only reverted to Uaat's version when an IP began incessantly inserting the antiquated and POV "Free China" all over the place. My latest edit (as of this post) was only to reinstate language tags as mandated by WP:MOS-ZH, and not modify any text meaning. CaradhrasAiguo (talk) 15:13, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

ITN

Why did you revert me without an edit summary? The alt blurb someone suggested said that the US President arrived for a summit with Donald Trump... you can’t hold a summit with yourself. Trump can’t arrive to meet himself. Additionally, I have the right to challenge claims that my use of “dictator” as “POV” when they indeed were not. Please undo your revert, so that I don’t have to, since I don’t want to edit war. 38.122.127.226 (talk) 19:59, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Too late to do either, because the nomination was closed. I clicked the wrong button on Twinkle, but I reverted the fact-devoid commentary on the Russian Federation being "communist" as a violation of WP:NOTFORUM. CaradhrasAiguo (talk) 20:32, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
Except the fact that Russia is communist is indeed a well-known fact. It’s not my own thoughts. And you have not addressed your reinstatement of the alt blurb regarding the US President meeting Donald Trump that made no sense. 38.122.127.226 (talk) 22:22, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
Except the fact that the Russian Federation underwent shock therapy, the CPRF / КПРФ hasn't won any State Duma elections after 1999 or any presidential election, and the ruling party is national conservative.[1][2]
You cannot modify or insert new comments after a discussion has been closed, per this policy. CaradhrasAiguo (talk) 23:34, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
You still have not addressed your reinstatement of the spurious alt blurb, referring to Donald Trump arriving for a summit with himself. 38.122.127.226 (talk) 23:56, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
This is the last time I will ask you to please address your reversion of me reverting a strange altblurb that made no sense. 38.122.127.226 (talk) 12:00, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
Someone else has removed it again, but you are still liable to explain why you reinstated it in the first place. 38.122.127.226 (talk) 02:40, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

Thank you for help me to fixed the format and do the copyedit in Mangshi.

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Pinyin July 2018

I am not removing pinyin arbitrarily. I am removing what it is redundant. I just do not understand why is it needed to have a clarification for let's say "Hualien" when the name has already been "romanized", "hanyu pinyin" does not help because:

1. The city, place name is not identified by that Kaohsiung instead of Gaoxiong. Take the ninth legislative yuan article for example. Can you point me the reason why names are in hanyu Pinyin when nobody from the body actually identifies with it? 2. Pinyin exists for people who cannot read the Chinese characters but if they already exist (whether it is Wade-Giles, Tonyong, etc), then what is the point of having it? You could put that in the extra column where it is listed all the different ways to "transcript it" (which is why I left it and haven't touched it) 3. hanyu pinyin could work for simplified Chinese articles or Chinese articles but not Taiwanese articles when it isn't commonly used and and when used, majority of times is not even hanyu pinyin.

Asoksevil (talk) 17:49, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

You removed them en masse from over a dozen articles, all inappropriately marking them as minor edits, and all without explanation. And, since 2009, pinyin has been the official romanization for the ROC government. CaradhrasAiguo (talk) 17:53, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

Please re-read my previous message.

Yes I did remove them from the articles that were redundant (ninth legislative yuan) and kept it for places where they wanted to have the transcription in all different forms (cantonese, Taiwanese, etc like in the Taipei article). I acknowledge that I did make a mistake by not communicating properly why I did that. However, I opened a thread in the Taiwan Portal discussion asking why was pinyin used so inconsistently across articles and why was it needed? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Taiwan

The fact that the Taiwanese government has adopted HP as standard system does not mean that the names, historical places, cities have to be in that way nor why it should be on the Wikipedia. From that article: "While the public will be widely encouraged to use the system, individual preferences on which Romanization system to use will be respected when it comes to personal matters such as the spelling of their surnames, Chen said.".

So again, I am arguing that we should use the ONLY romanization accepted for personal names, historical places, etc and not include Hanyu Pinyin because it does not add any value according to the two reasons I have previously stated. If Hsinchu is Hsinchu, there is just no reason why next to it should be "pinyin: Xinzhu" as it adds confusion and it does not refer to the actual city "Hsinchu" in Taiwan.

In addition, you said that I was removing them arbitrarily. I would say that I was keeping it consistent across other articles were HP is not even used like Taipei, Taichung, Kaohsiung, Tainan, etc.

Asoksevil (talk) 20:33, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

@Asoksevil: I read the response that Siafu wrote to you, and agree with his points.
You were also removing Hanyu Pinyin from {{Infobox Chinese}} at Hsinchu, among others; this, along with your complete lack of edit summaries from the 20 July batch of edits, led me to conclude your removals were arbitrary. CaradhrasAiguo (talk) 23:57, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

That was a mistake and I did not intend to do it (I edited several articles so there are articles where it was left intact and others were I mistakenly removed it as I was doing this manually by replacing it with the replace function), otherwise why would I say that we should leave the different transcription methods? I will answer @Siafu answer more thoroughly in the dedicated thread.

I hope I have conveyed my ideas clearly because so far you have not answered to my main points.

Asoksevil (talk) 11:03, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

This is my reply for @Siafu. I would appreciate your thoughts on this to keep the dialogue open:


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Please use DMY date format instead of MDY[editar] Most of the world and most of Wikipedia uses DMY (Date format by country). The official system in Taiwan isn't MDY either. Please use DMY instead of MDY.

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Please see MOS:DATE. Thanks! -Multivariable (talk) 12:08, 8 January 2018 (UTC) I've read it and I know there is no hard rule. However, I believe using the international standard will improve readability for most people and would be beneficial. Szqecs (talk) 12:25, 8 January 2018 (UTC) Shouldn't we use the format most widely used in English-language content in Taiwan? I believe that this is the general rule for Wikipedia language style, including for dates. As such, I'd say it should be MDY, as that is what I most frequently see, from government (Presidential Office and MOFA) to media (Taipei Times, CNA, Taiwan News and China Post).27.247.167.139 (talk) 06:55, 2 March 2018 (UTC) Please come and help...[editar] A requested move debate at Talk:Taiwan independence movement#Requested move 12 January 2018 could benefit from your input and expertise. Please help! Paine Ellsworth put'r there 07:13, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

Pinyin and Romanization[editar] I was wondering why is hanyu pinyin used when there's an actual romanization?

For instance this article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ninth_Legislative_Yuan have their names in Chinese, English (romanized) and pinyin. The pinyin column doesn't make sense because there's already a romanized way for non Chinese speaking people to read. It also doesn't help to identify them because their official names are not written like that.

This could be further extended to most Taiwanese articles where pinyin is added.

Asoksevil (talk) 08:37, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

W-G romanization does not provide sufficient information for pronunciation, and is generally not used except archaically in Taiwan, as it's basically deprecated. Pinyin is the modern standard for rendering Chinese in the Latin alphabet, includes tone marks, and is much more widely known than W-G. It adds a great deal to have a pinyin pronunciation given in the article, and also fits with other articles on subjects with Chinese names. Taiwan also uses pinyin for various place and street names, and has been moving away from W-G romanization for quite awhile. I recognize that most Taiwanese don't necessarily know pinyin, but equally many don't know W-G, and suggesting using zhuyin (the actually most common input method/pronunciation guide for hanzi in Taiwan) would be entirely absurd on the English wikipedia. siafu (talk) 07:28, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

Hi,

Thanks for showing up.

First of all, let me clarify that this is not a debate of what system is better, I am not advocating that W-G is better than HP even though there are clear examples where it is superior to HP for pure phonetics sounds like letters (C,X,ZH,Q,E, etc) whereas HP is better in other areas such as the removal of apostrophes.

So again, what I am saying here is that HP does not add any added value to the article because: 1. There is already a "romanization of the name" (no transcription needed people who are not familiar with Chinese characters). If Tsai Ing-wen name is written like that, there is not point on clarifying that under HP should be Cai Yingwen. It is like if someone's personal name is written "Jacques" and you rewrite it as "Jacks" because that's how it is accepted in other forms.

That being said, let me quote your answers.

"W-G romanization does not provide sufficient information for pronunciation, and is generally not used except archaically in Taiwan, as it's basically deprecated."

People's names are not meant to provide "exact pronunciation in the English language" it is at the person's own discretion to choose what system they want to use to transliterate it as long as it is complied with the country's rules of romanization. Taiwan has a lot of flexibility here according to MOFA: https://www.boca.gov.tw/sp-natr-singleform-1.html (you can choose HP, W-G, MPS II, combination of several, etc) compared to Japan where they use Hepburn for passports but they teach Nihon Shiki. So W-G does provide sufficient information to pronounce it because you are not aiming for a 100% match in the original language but a way to render that characters into roman letters. W-G, is still the de-facto system for personal names, famous places and institutions used by the large Taiwanese population and they want to keep it as it is (with the hyphen) to distinguish themselves from the Chinese. In no way this system is "deprecated". The system will become deprecated if it is no longer used for transliterating Chinese names into Roman alphabet and the majority of the population of Taiwan decides to stop using it.

"Pinyin is the modern standard for rendering Chinese in the Latin alphabet, includes tone marks, and is much more widely known than W-G. It adds a great deal to have a pinyin pronunciation given in the article, and also fits with other articles on subjects with Chinese names"

Again, we are not debating what system is better we are just debating that having roman letters in whatever transliteration system is good enough. HP is not a flawless system and require mastery of it. Tongyong Pinyin also has tone marks and it is used by the southern part of Taiwan. HP would only fit in articles that are Simplified Chinese or China-related stuff, akin to using British spelling and words for British articles and American spelling for American or USA-related articles.

In addition, not all articles Taiwan-related articles have HP, only some of the have it (for instance, Taipei, Kaohsiung, Taichung don't have any references in the article except in the "box for transliteration") therefore it wouldn't be consistent because we have not decided whether we should"

1. Remove HP from articles and leave it where the transliteration box is 2. Add HP to all articles and the transliteration box. 3. Remove HP altogether from both sides.

I am advocating for just leaving HP in the transliteration box considering that we have added other forms of transliterating. If no transliterating is needed I would just erase all of them and leave it with the official spelling and the Chinese characters.

"Taiwan also uses pinyin for various place and street names, and has been moving away from W-G romanization for quite awhile."

Taiwan uses HP for street names, stations only in the northern part of Taiwan while the southern uses Tongyong Pinyin. Some known places have retained their W-G spelling (Hsinchu, Taipei, Taichung, Kaohsiung) while others changed like Ilan became Yilan. Other historical places had their HP name reverted to to W-G or other forms such as Danshui became Tamsui and Lugang became Lukang.

"I recognize that most Taiwanese don't necessarily know pinyin, but equally many don't know W-G, and suggesting using zhuyin (the actually most common input method/pronunciation guide for hanzi in Taiwan) would be entirely absurd on the English wikipedia"

Using ㄅㄆㄇㄈ in the Taiwanese Wikipedia could be useful to transliterate words of English for pure pronunciation purposes as it will be more accurate than using pre-defined Chinese characters, however zhuyin in English articles should have the same value as then transliterating that article names into other system like cantonese, POJ, HP, TY, etc.

Asoksevil (talk) 10:23, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

It appears you copied a good portion of the WikiProject Taiwan talk page, so I won't be replying on my talk page to the points you made over there. I suggest in the future that you use diffs such as this to quickly link to posts/changes you have made elsehwere. CaradhrasAiguo (leave language) 23:12, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

Hi,

I think we need to discuss this otherwise there are no arguments for which we should have HP in the articles. I assume that if you do not want to further engage in this discussion, I am allowed to edit Taiwanese articles as per my view?

Thanks Asoksevil (talk) 14:01, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

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Why did you remove the mean temperature by month? If the figures are incorrect, what are the correct figures? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 8.41.84.4 (talk) 20:04, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

My edit summary answered that question, and the figures were unverifiable for Dallas Love Field, making them a violation of Wikipedia's policies on verifiability. CaradhrasAiguo (leave language) 20:10, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
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