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Hi I am Christopher2625649908

Hi this is Christopher, who you welcomed yesterday. Unfortunately, due to strict censorship where I live, I will no longer be able to log onto the Chinese Wikipedia site from Jun 9th on, and until Aug 20th. As you know I am a beginner in Wikipedia still, despite that I have had my account for over one year. Therefore, to continue our conversation, just feel free to put it here in the English site. I sincerely apologize for all the inconveniences this has brought to you.

You might also have seen me modifying your user page just now - well that's my fault sorry. Now I move all the above here. Christopher2625649908 (talk) 04:03, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Christopher2625649908: :) --Artoria2e5 emits crap 04:26, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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First reply from User:Vicipahkou (In Chinese)

您给我留言用了中文，所以在这里我也用中文。

关于我写的文章

我已经加了source, 就在GB2312_Blocks这篇文章第一句中GB2312-80，是个外部链接，链到中国语言文字网。每个区块哪些码位分配了哪些没有我都是参考它的。 如果要删我也无所谓。

所以我强调是GB2312-80是因为中国语言文字网上的文档是GB2312-80的。

关于我用了EUC-CN的问题，我的文章整体架构是一个个区块来的，每个区块94个码位，并标注了区号，这与GB2312标准相符。 GBK/2这篇也是先区号位号，再用EUC-CN.

至于Wikisource or archive.org，我没听说过，可能也打不开。

关于番羽墙

以前翻过，但网速超慢，所以懒得翻了。 还有您给的CJKV Information Processing链到谷歌我也打不开，聊天室打开也慢，就是这个英语维基打开也很慢。 所以我大概与中文维基百科无缘了。 英文维基百科也懒得写了

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A barnstar for you!

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Thanks for fixing reference links for Economy of Iran. KnowledgeForEvery1 (talk) 17:39, 23 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@KnowledgeForEvery1: thanks! --Artoria2e5 contrib 17:52, 23 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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[1]. Fixing that would require making changes in infoboxes on a lot of pages. But if you have a lot of time and desire to fix it, I can tell you what to do. My very best wishes (talk) 19:15, 14 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello! Could you help me to find chinese original name for Governar № 5,6,7 in link above?--Kaiyr (talk) 10:34, 3 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Kaiyr: Sorry for the late reply. I have found a (not-so-reliable) Chinese source at [2] (accurate until 2016, when 黄三平 got a raise); the table on the left are secretaries, and the one on the right are Governors. The problem is that none of them seem to match up with any names from the article. It's quite likely that it is the article that is wrong, because searching for these Chinese names (plus 伊犁) in my link does return official (Xinhua, etc.) sources naming them as Governors, while many of the "Governors" in the articles appear seem be return National People's Congress representatives instead. Some big restructing of the names might be in order. --Artoria2e5 🌉 17:13, 20 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for answer. Is there any information about governors and secrataries of CCP of Altay Prefecture and Tacheng Prefecture? Or here: 伊犁哈萨克自治州地方志编纂委员会 (June 2004). 伊犁哈萨克自治州志 (in Chinese (China)). Urumuqi: Xinjiang People's Publishing House. p. 282. ISBN 7-228-08827-1. Retrieved 3 May 2019. --Kaiyr (talk) 05:54, 23 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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@Jhawkinson: I get the idea behind multiline stuff, but I've never seen anyone put the pipe (|) symbol at the end of line before. What's the story behind it? --Artoria2e5 🌉 11:55, 25 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
There's not a lot of guidance on Wikipedia or in Mediawiki help in general (or in the CS1 templates in specific) about how to format template parameters (just spent way too much time looking!), we're pretty much on our own. For named parameters, whitespace is removed at the beginning or the end, so vertical bars can go at the beginning of the line or the end of the line (aka "vertical format"). I don't think too hard about it, I just type it the way that comes naturally, evidently with the | at the end. Sorry for not having a story. jhawkinson (talk) 20:01, 25 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Liz, the thing is it is empty and the only thing that has ever put stuff in it is a fixed typo in a template. Hope that clears things up. --Artoria2e5 🌉 18:04, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

……That's odd. It's not refreshing properly. --Artoria2e5 🌉 07:12, 6 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Vertical ruby character template

Hey, I'm not very experienced with templates, but I noticed that you edited the ruby documentation page, so I have a question about the possibility of adding an optional vertical zhuyin option to the template similar to this - https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61zjfa4g3FL.jpg. While ruby characters for Chinese languages (particularly traditional Chinese characters) are not widely used on Wikipedia, I feel like the addition of vertical ruby characters (as opposed to horizontal zhuyin like 愛(ㄞˋ)) for Mandarin would increase global usage of the format. If there is anything you can do to advance this, I I would really appreciate it. - Esmost talk 15:21, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Esmost, you are right that the lack of vertical zhuyin is a major issue for Wikipedia's Mandarin content. The general way to lay it out is specified in CLREQ. As for putting it to HTML tags, there's basically only one mature way to do it as seen in https://www.moedict.tw/ and https://hanzi.pro. So here's how it goes in the two systems:

  1. On the HTML authoring side, the author writes standard <rb>...</rb> tags with <rtc>...</rtc> in it. The annotation type is marked in the zhuyin/pinyin properties.
  2. Now <rtc>...</rtc> is obviously terribly supported by browsers, so the JavaScript component transforms it into some more palatable bunch of tags. The zhuyin part is expressed in a completely custom tag, while pinyin uses the normal <rt>...</rt>. Some CSS magic then tells the browser to put the custom tag to the right of the text.

I think with some adaptation this thing can be ported to Wikipedia: we will basically do what the JS does in Lua, and replace the custom tag with a div-with-class to appease the MediaWiki software. Wikitext is not sufficient because while a pinyin string can and often should refer to many syllables (orthography), zhuyin always has exactly one character to be stuck to; this "rbspan" logic needs to go into Lua. (Well, since I've written so much, I really think we should move the discussion into the template. Or maybe just wait until I write the module.) --Artoria2e5 🌉 16:16, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, the idea is at Module:Ruby-zh. It's not usable yet -- see the comments at bottom. --Artoria2e5 🌉 16:50, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Artoria2e5, thank you so much for starting the essential work on this. Sorry that I can't help on the coding side, but I'm insanely grateful for the type of work you do. I hope you can get this module up and running. Also, solidarity to you with your mental health issues - please take care of yourself. Again, thank you. 好彩頭(ㄏㆦˊㄘㄞˊ-ㄊㄠˇ) -Esmost talk 06:04, 20 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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SpinningSpark, it appears the addition was done by the file importer tool. Maybe a phab ticket should be opened for that? Artoria2e5 🌉 06:44, 31 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It's your responsibility to use tools appropriately and your responsibility for any mistakes the tool makes. If the tool isn't getting something right either don't use it or correct the mistake afterwards before moving on. I don't know who maintains that tool so I don't know whether or not the devs will take responsibility for it with a Phabricator ticket. By all means put in a ticket, but even if it is accepted it is unlikely the devs will put any priority on an issue that is only local to one wiki. SpinningSpark 09:06, 31 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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@ElderZamzam: Thanks! I think the NVG stuff is better documented at https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/01/world/asia/taliban-night-vision.html, regarding a Nov 2017 attack. Taliban says they are captured, and I don't find much reason to not think so.
The uniform side is more finicky. They are known to use old uniforms. They also showed off some gear in "special forces" propaganda vids (2017), but I don't have a clue whether these are captures or clones. Artoria2e5 🌉 02:52, 16 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Awesome, thank you for those :D I will check them out. Regards.ElderZamzam (talk) 12:04, 16 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi Artoria2e5, thank you for the recent edits of the article Ribosomal DNA. I am not an expert in this field, but I think it should also include information on rDNA plasmids found in some eukaryotic species (see: The Ribosomal DNA Plasmids of Entamoeba). What are your thoughts? :-) --Pinoczet (talk) 11:15, 12 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Fascinating! Yes, I will include that along with the bunch of missing information I added when I have time. Maybe today! Artoria2e5 🌉 05:03, 13 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the reply. Great job! While editing an article, I found some papers on the linear mitochondrial plasmids S1 and S2 present in maize that can integrate into the main mtDNA chromosome. See e.g.: Characterization of a Novel Thermosensitive Restorer of Fertility for Cytoplasmic Male Sterility in Maize and Integrated R2 sequence in mitochondria of fertile B37N maize encodes and expresses a 130 kD polypeptide similar to that encoded by the S2 episome of S-type male sterile plants. Other related mitochondrial plasmids also exist: the R1 and R2 plasmids in maize, the M1 and M2 plasmids in teosinte, and the N1 and N2 plasmids in sorghum. That is a very interesting topic, but I do not know where exactly this information should be added. Perhaps you will find a proper way to do it? :-) Have a nice day! --Pinoczet (talk) 18:00, 14 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Niacin split reverted

I undid the split of Niacin, as a consensus had not been reached back when you proposed it and I opposed it. Please change the titles from Niacin (substance) back to Niacin and Niacin (nutrient) back to Vitamin B3. I did not delete the content you moved from what was Niacin to what was Vitamin B3, but you may want to consider cutting some if not all of it. My strong opinion here - having raised Niacin to Good article - is that Wikipedia visitors interested in the vitamin are going to enter "Niacin" as a search item, and will be better served if all of the information is in one place. The pre-split sections are modeled to deliver the same information as in the other nine vitamin articles I have raised to GA. For many of those, there are vitamers, and separate articles, but the main set of information is at the common vitamin name. David notMD (talk) 02:42, 25 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

David notMD, I do not thinl hanging onto the GA status for a poorly-grafted article is a healthy thing in this case. If keeping the GA is the purpose, the GA shall be transferred to the "main" topic, which is the vitamin in this case. If search term is the purpose, then we shall let "Niacin" be the nutrient title and "Nicotinic acid" be the substance title. (See also the etymology of "niacin" -- the word was only intended for use by casuals talking about nutrition; what has happened afterwards to common use is, well, extremely unfortunate. We can't revert the COMMONNAME, but choosing to not use it for disambguition is completely acceptable.) The current status cannot last, and the removal of SPLIT tag is a very wrong way to end the discussion. Pinging User:Doc James (created B3 article) for input on this page. --Artoria2e5 🌉 03:46, 25 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for inviting DJ to this. My concern is that there was no successful attempt at consensus prior to your major changes to what were the Niacin and Vitamin B3 articles. David notMD (talk) 10:11, 25 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note that the name change caused Niacin to lose it Vital article connection, and that the creation of a disambigulation page has caused problems. David notMD (talk) 10:16, 25 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This split has thrown red flags, that I, as a Wikipedia referee, patrol for – i.e., it was not done in a competent technical manner. In trying to make sense of this, I quickly noticed this contradiction:

This strikes me as WP:Content forking as both the "substance" and "nutrient" articles cover the same topic... the vitamin!

Explain to me how a "nutrient" is not a "substance". wikt:nutrient says it's a "substance that provides nourishment".

So your disambiguators fail to disambiguate! wbm1058 (talk) 17:29, 27 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

User:wbm1058:

  • There’s a conceptual difference between a nutritional entity and a pure chemical substance. Glucose and starch are unified in the nutritional entity of carbohydrates. Collagen and hemoglobin are different proteins, but when you eat it both are unified in the category of proteins. (Not to go into how both of these terms refer to a collection of molecules grouped by compositional similarity that can come from any species!) Would you like to dispute the statement "protein is a nutrient"? Nutrients come in forms.
  • I am not even sure where you got that wiktionary quote from. The last edit is from 2 weeks ago and it mentions nothing about substance.

Niacin, in the sense of the line on nutritional facts, as the thing found in all kinds of food, is different from the sense of a blush-inducing substance we call nicotinic acid. To quote the NIH niacin fact sheet,

Most dietary niacin is in the form of nicotinic acid and nicotinamide, …

So your technical argument fails to argue technically! Artoria2e5 🌉 00:33, 28 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

And do we want to talk technical? I would love for the pages to be called "niacin" and "nicotinic acid", but moves to existing titles are a pain. Artoria2e5 🌉 00:35, 28 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Specifically the technical issue is that Talk:Niacin redirects to Talk:Niacin (substance), putting it into Category:Articles with talk page redirects, the category that I'm currently working on cleaning out. Then there's the issue that there are nearly 400 mainspace links to the now-ambiguous term Niacin that require prompt disambiguation. For example, in the article on cooking: "The bioavailability of some vitamins such as thiamin, vitamin B6, niacin, folate, and carotenoids are increased with cooking by being freed from the food microstructure." That sentence calls niacin a vitamin, so I suppose I need to disambiguate that to niacin (vitamin). Oops, red link. Is that a substance or is it a nutrient? I think it's both. A vitamin is both a substance and a nutrient. – wbm1058 (talk) 01:17, 28 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Specifically the technical issue is that... We could've saved time and argument by saying that in the first place. Like I said, I would love for the Vitamin B3 page to be called "niacin" and the niacin page to be called "nicotinic acid", but such moves are bothersome. And FYI, not all of the links to the disambig refer to the nutritional entity: the many Hydroxycarboxylic acid receptor pages refer to the acid, the nicotinate pages refer to the acid, the bunch of trade names refer to the acid as a drug, plus some chemical articles... A review of the links will be needed anyways.
A vitamin is both a substance and a nutrient. A vitamin is not always a chemical substance (and come on, we are clearly talking about the chemical definition given the context); a vitamer, probably. What's with the insistence on doing ontology on a field you are not familiar with? (Forgot the ping. wbm1058) Artoria2e5 🌉 00:57, 29 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Another technical issue has come to my attention. When you moved Talk:Niacin to Talk:Niacin (substance) you failed to move its subpages. Talk:Niacin has 4 subpages:
I think you missed this issue because only WP:Page movers and administrators can move subpages with a single click on a checkbox allowing automatic moves of up to 100 subpages. But, in this case, since only 2 of 4 pages should move, the moves must be done manually.
When you moved Niacin to Niacin (substance) you should have moved it without leaving behind a redirect, but again I think only WP:Page movers and admins have the checkbox that allows that. Not a big deal in itself as I can just delete the redirect as a WP:CSD#G6 cleanup operation. My point in mentioning that you threw red flags was to let you know I found these page moves independently and not because someone asked me to help.
So you recognize that some "moves are bothersome". I don't follow your rationale in deciding that moving Niacin to Niacin (substance) and Vitamin B3 to Niacin (nutrient) would not be bothersome. You should have considered these to be potentially controversial moves and followed the instructions at WP:RM to start a requested move discussion. – wbm1058 (talk) 16:44, 29 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Thanks! You are doing pretty well. Artoria2e5 🌉 13:20, 15 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks to you as well, in particular for your quick reply.
Dealing with all the Lists of EC numbers (not just EC 2) is going to take a while, so don't expect definitive results tomorrow. Also, when I'm working on a large job I sometimes get bored and work on something else for a while. That's what happened previously to the Lists of EC numbers, which I temporarily put in abeyance last September and am picking up the pieces now. Athel cb (talk) 16:28, 15 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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I think I saw a Twinkle talk page failure message when I added the templates, but didn't think more about it. Ahh.. Artoria2e5 🌉 05:43, 6 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hey, this time it went through. Artoria2e5 🌉 05:45, 6 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Noted your change - I tried to add context from PHARMA and FOOD - but got seriously attacked - I worked in a PHARMA aseptic processing facility for some 20 odd years - but in this world I learned that expertise is often dismissed - and I do get that - I approached the original author think they might be long gone - I am going to revisit this in the future - my changes are apparent in the log - I still think they are acceptable - but I have so may Admin warnings I fear to go near the article cheers Dr. BeingObjective (talk) 13:03, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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@MPGuy2824:, changed alias list at Q18058296 per listed names at https://www.uniprot.org/uniprotkb/Q6HA08/entry. Artoria2e5 🌉 11:02, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Marking the redirect as reviewed, but could you add this ref to the alias list as well, please? -MPGuy2824 (talk) 11:14, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Uhhhh... I don't think Wikidata allows refs in alias lists. Artoria2e5 🌉 11:23, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, ok. It is getting that data automatically from wikidata. Cool then, nothing more needs to be done. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 11:26, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Niacin → Nicotinic acid

Hello, you might want to check: Talk:Niacin#Requested move 15 December 2024

"Niacin" renaming to "Nicotinic acid"

Thanks :) -- Arthurfragoso (talk) 20:02, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I am indeed interested in getting it fixed. Artoria2e5 🌉 13:23, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, I see in your user page that you are fluent in Chinese.

A while ago I improved the drugbox referring to the legal status in Brazil. (Things like drug schedule I, II, etc)

I think it would add a lot of value to wikipedia if there were also information about how China categorize substances.

I was wondering if you could help me with a few things.

I found in the zh:Template:Infobox_drug that they categorized in: (followed by google translation)

  • 处方药（Rx） - Prescription drugs (Rx)
  • 甲类非处方药（OTC甲类） - Class A over-the-counter drugs (OTC Class A)
  • 乙类非处方药（OTC乙类） - Class B over-the-counter drugs (OTC Class B)
  • 第一类精神药品 - Class I psychotropic drugs
  • 第二类精神药品 - Class II psychotropic drugs
  • 麻醉药品 - Narcotic drugs
  • 非药用类麻醉药品和精神药品 - Non-medicinal narcotic drugs and psychotropic drugs

For legislation, I found this:

For the Brazilian drug legislation, there were already an article and an outdated list of substances, I then updated it, and wikilinked it all at: Brazilian Controlled Drugs and Substances Act

I then went on each one and edited the infobox with the correct information.

The list doesn't include the unscheduled drugs, like anti-hypertensive. It's funny that those have a label saying Rx-only, but are not enforced and people can actually buy without prescription. I think the list for unscheduled drugs would be massive, and it would not be easy to work with it on wikipedia.

Anyway, to sum it up, I would like to know if you could help me with:

  • define the classes that would go in the infobox: legal_CN= OTCA, OTCB, ....
  • find the official government website where the list is updated. It is okay if it is in Chinese. It would be even better if it has the INN or CAS number. They usually provide the CAS for prohibited substances with difficult names. [5]

Knowing just this two, I can then update all the pages.

-- Arthurfragoso (talk) 17:49, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

First reply

Systems orthogonal to the Rx These classes appear okay to me, although there is another orthogonal dimension here: 药品网络销售禁止清单（第一版）of 2022 defines drugs that must not be sold online. See the doc format attachment at https://www.nmpa.gov.cn/directory/web/nmpa///yaopin/ypggtg/20221130200847133.html. (Note: Some parts of this only applies to human drugs. For example, you can still get animal vaccines online, even the live anthrax vaccine for cows; same goes for animal-grade testosterone and estradiol injections. These three are still animal prescription drugs and should require a prescription, but you know how things are here haha.)

About the It's funny that those have a label saying Rx-only, but are not enforced and people can actually buy without prescription. thing, it's currently like this (but no, my words are not citable)

  • If you are inside a physical pharmacy, you can just get anything up to Rx-only, few or no questions asked. You do need to provide your ID info for pseudoephedrine, because that's an orthogonal system.
  • If you are on the Internet, you technically need a prescription. So the websites set up their own 互联网医院 for supplying you with one. Most of them are happy to give you a prescription for anything up to Rx-only (if the age, gender, and indication matches the drug), except the drugs that deal with psychiatric indications, for which they do want you to provide an offline prescription.
    But here's the funny thing: "the drugs that deal with psychiatric indications" are not the same as the two classes of listed "psychotropic drugs". Basically none of the typical antidepressants (SSRI, SNRI) are listed, but the Internet-hospitals do love to ask for them.

Psychotropics and narcotics For the regulated psychotropic drugs and narcotics, the official website is at https://www.nmpa.gov.cn/datasearch/home-index.html#category=yp. But it's not exactly easy to use because it only lets you search the 麻醉药品和精神药品品种目录 and not show the whole list. The last publication of the list is in 2013, and emendations have been made through official announcements.

There is also a separate list called 非药用类麻醉药品和精神药品管制品种增补目录, which is for narcotics and psychotropics with no medical use. This you can get at https://zh.wikisource.org/wiki/%E9%9D%9E%E8%8D%AF%E7%94%A8%E7%B1%BB%E9%BA%BB%E9%86%89%E8%8D%AF%E5%93%81%E5%92%8C%E7%B2%BE%E7%A5%9E%E8%8D%AF%E5%93%81%E7%AE%A1%E5%88%B6%E5%93%81%E7%A7%8D%E5%A2%9E%E8%A1%A5%E7%9B%AE%E5%BD%95, though I think they've also added some more "designer" LSD analogues through official announcements later. I don't have a source for the updated version either, though I swear I've seen it on Twitter...

OTC list The OTC list can be accessed through the NMPA search. You need to click the 非处方药化学药品目录 option below to switch to searching that list.

For a complete list (until 2017), go to https://law.pharmnet.com.cn/laws/list_2-57_5-0_1.html. The last two pages have the initial batch designations. The newer entries are, you guessed it, official announcements that modify the list without giving you the whole updated thing.

Data newer than 2017: https://db.yaozh.com/otc seems to be complete; this website is a third-party drug information database and search engine. https://data.pharnexcloud.com/6/table/51 is too, but it's paywalled.

You will notice that there are OTC and Rx-only traditional Chinese medicine preparations too. Inflates the list a bit.

All drug list The "proper" place to see if a (chemical) drug exists is https://www.cde.org.cn/hymlj/listpage/9cd8db3b7530c6fa0c86485e563f93c7, the 化学药品目录集.

(Yeah, doing stuff with government data in China isn't fun. What do you mean you only provide a search function? You have a database already, you can give us a database dump or a csv! And now there are whole businesses that offer easier-to-process data about drugs as a service. Talk about creating a demand.) @Arthurfragoso: --Artoria2e5 🌉 06:27, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks a lot! This is quite comprehensive and really helpful!
I just went on a trip and I'm replying using the mobile Wikipedia.
Last year I had organized and collected some data on drug policies in other countries, like India too, but I didn't had the time to work on it. This coming year I might have much more time.
I think I will create a subproject inside the WikiProject Pharmacology to organize the drug policies of those countries. I will start working on this as soon as I get back from my trip.
I will ping you later with the wikilink of the project, so you can also know the progress of it.
Thanks a lot!
-- Arthurfragoso (talk) 13:15, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 

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