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Very disappointed that this short article is again thretened with deletion, I must say I'm puzzled. 'Largoplazo' initially threatened to delete it, I strongly contested this and he moved to 'Serious Issues'. Now 'Jmertel123' is not happy! I'm a bit puzzled again, as the point he makes seems to be quite minor - could you not just suggest whatever you think should be changed? Anyway, I am preparing a substantial rebuttal of this threat, but due to other commitments etc it will take me a few days, so I would be very grateful if you would do nothing for now Thanks @Largplazo:@Jmertel123:ArchaicW (talk) 15:56, 23 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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An article you recently created, Institute of Advanced Architectural Studies, does not have enough sources and citations as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page.
I am moving this to draft space to allow you some more time to work on it because the sources pose a real problem. there looks like some COI problems as 1 of the sources, a blog links to this article which refers to this person as a notable alumni, one of the other sources is a paper written by a past director so is affiliated, another source is just a passing mention and the York civic trust is affiliated. Dom from Paris (talk) 13:31, 29 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Hi Lotje Yes, I think that is an aerial view of Stirling Castle. However, I would be reluctant to add that to the Draft, as really the Stirling Castle Great Hall restoration was a totally different thing from the type of small scale tower house restorations that the article describes. The Great Hall restoration was a massive project, organised by Historic Scotland - a real 'Civil service' project, if you know what I mean! Better to leave out! Ross ArchaicW (talk) 14:46, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Definitely not!!!! Lovely picture, like the welly boots - but not for castle restorations! Have you been to Stirling Castle? Second best castle in Scotland after Edinburgh Castle, but actually more interesting and complete from the period. Did a lot of survey work there once. Ross ArchaicW (talk) 15:45, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Sorry, I'm seeing the same thing as Theroadislong. I think this topic is worth including in Wikipedia, though, so here are some suggestions:
1. Reduce the amount of "talking to the reader". I think this is what the previous reviewer might mean by "feels like an essay".
2. Write about individual castle restorations, on their own articles.
3. Convert this article to "List of restored castles in Scotland" or similar, cutting most of the paragraph-format prose.
4. Write an article on the debate, possibly. (I'm not sure the sources exist for this.)
5. Consider adding a brief section on restorations to Scottish castles, if it looks like that would benefit the article.
Those are all just my suggestions about what you could do with this material, not any kind of requirement. Personally, I think the list is the way to go. I do think the topic in general ("restoration of castles in Scotland" or something) is notable - there are at least two entire books on it in the bibliography here. But I have the strong sense that this would be draftified or sent to AfD if you or an AfC reviewer moved it to mainspace in its current state. If you want to try your luck, go for it - you're not obligated to use AfC.
Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.
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Restoration of castles in Scotland
Hi ArchaicW, an editor suggested that I might be interested in a draft you've been working on. Restoration is an often overlooked subject, so it's encouraging to see someone addressing it. I'll take a closer look at the article over the next few days and see if we can work the article into. There are some excellent sources in there, so good building blocks. I've not come across Janet Inglis' PhD before so I'll add that to my ever growing reading list. Richard Nevell (talk) 12:11, 21 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Dear Richard Thank you very much for getting in touch with me and thank you for taking an interest in this draft article. Trying to get this article published has been quite frankly the most frustrating business imaginable for me. I first thought well over a year ago that this was a relevant topic in the ‘Scottish Castles’ field, but only got round to putting it up as draft a few months ago.
First of all I contacted Theroadislong, with whom I have had several dealings over the last few years. At first, he indicated that he thought the subject was appropriate for Wikipedia, so I went ahead and added all the refs etc. But when I asked him to take another look, he’d changed his position and said that he thought the draft ‘read too much like an essay’. I edited out anything that to me sounded like an ‘essay’, asked him to have another look and at that point (most unfairly I thought) he posted the comment on the draft that he was declining to review the draft but still thought that it read too much like an essay!
Then Asilvering came along and in absolute fairness must have spent quite a bit of time going over the draft. He thought that there was a place for the article as well, but still came up with this essay business! He made I think five suggestions, the first of which was to remove anything that sounded like ‘talking to the reader’, so I edited it again. His other suggestions were interesting, but I thought took the article too far away from it’s intention to describe the modern phenomenon of Scottish castle restorations.
I’ve heard it said that editors have got more and more picky in recent years – perhaps being bombarded with bio type articles on non-native English speaking persons and so many blatantly commercial articles which are just a plug for businesses has jaded them?
But this draft article could not be further away from that. It’s about a UK subject and follows on from the considerable Scottish Castles material that is already in place. I have absolutely no vested interest in the field – I certainly don't own a Scottish castle, nor do I know anyone that does. And what good would this article do them anyway?
Lastly, I just don't believe that there is anything of the ‘essay’ feel left. I think it reads in a straightforward manner. It tells you what the article is about, it describes the numerous castles that have been restored, it describes a typical project, gives other examples to follow up and lastly refers in a totally neutral way to the controversy over restoration versus conservation. It's well illustrated and has good refs.
It may not be the last word in Wikipedia articles, but my goodness I’ve read some shockers! And I would fully expect that if the article was up there, others would add to it – which I rather naively thought was what Wikipedia was all about.
I’d be delighted if you could have a look at it and try to help get it published. It’s not up as a draft for review at the moment because frankly I was pig sick of it. But if you can help I will put it up for review again. Thank you very much. Ross ArchaicW (talk) 14:59, 21 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The range of sources, in my opinion, make it clear that the topic itself is notable. I do think the style of writing is become a more minor issue as a result of recent edits. I wonder if it might be a case of removing a little bit of detail here and there, for example "into the 2000s fewer and fewer castle restoration projects have been undertaken, as can be seen from Inglis' table of completed restorations" (emphasis mine). It's not an exact science, but I think it's bits like the part in bold which are shifting the perception about the draft being an essay. The sentence has already summarised the information, and gives a reference so we might not need the last bit. It is very much stylistic because as a piece of writing it not only works, but I like that it gives prominence to the source of information.
One thing that stands out is the 'Sources & further reading' section is essentially an annotated bibliography. That is a useful resource, but I can't remember seeing that on any other Wikipedia article. That slightly unusual nature may count against the article when editors are reviewing it. And that's not to say there isn't space for that kind of approach, but in some ways it is harder to take a different approach with an article that hasn't yet found its feet in terms of notability. I wonder if it might be worth posting a copy on the talk page for reference, and then removing the commentary. You could split it into two parts, one for sources already used in the article and one to highlight further reading. That's a fairly common approach.
The suggestion to turn it into a list is viable, but I think this should remain as an article, and perhaps there's space for a standalone list (eventually, I wouldn't do it now!). Typically a list would only have a few paragraphs of explanation of the topic, and there's plenty to be said here. Of Asilvering's remaining suggestions, #2 and #5 would definitely be worthwhile, but I see it as the next step after the draft becomes a full article. It is important to incorporate this information elsewhere, and it could lead readers to this page once it goes live.
I've made a handful of changes so far and recommend you have a look to make sure you're happy with them and that I haven't inadvertently changed the meaning of something or removing an important point you wanted to make. I'll keep making edits to the draft over the next week or so. Richard Nevell (talk) 12:00, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Dear Richard
Thank you very much for having a look at the draft article, and obviously very thoroughly. From what I have read of your comments – and, please, I am not trying to put words in your mouth – you seem to be saying that the draft is broadly more or less OK! It can do with a bit of tidying up here and there, but it has got the basics of the subject right.
Now, I’m sure it’s not written quite as you might have done, or anybody else for that matter, but I think that's not the key issue? Does the draft cover the ground, does the subject have ‘notability’ and is it written in the manner appropriate for an encyclopedia? I think only the last point might have had some validity, but any ‘essay’ feel I am sure has long gone.
That’s a very interesting point you make about the ‘Sources & further reading’. I never thought of it like that, but it seemed to me to be a good idea to tell people what they might expect if thinking to consult a book or reference? In fact I wrote the article on Fonthill Splendens and followed a quite similar track, but only with two important references.
I'll look out for any suggested changes. Just wanted to send you a quick reply for now, hope to send you some further comments tomorrow. Many thanks. Ross ArchaicW (talk) 17:31, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Dear Richard
Further to my note yesterday, reread your comments and I’m just responding to some specific points:
Inglis Table ref – I actually put that extra line in, as I felt it was a statement that needed specific justification! It can come out, but I think you are saying it reads OK in any case?
Sources & further reading - Just looked through that list and actually every one is already a ref! Asilvering never mentioned this at all and I just assumed that it would not be read by anyone as part of the actual article? But if you feel the detail should be cut down, can do.
Re Asilvering’s suggestions, I agreed to his points 1 and 5, but believed I put forward sensible arguments as to why 2, 3 and 4 really weren't appropriate/necessary for the article. I think expanding sections on individual restorations (point 2) is a sound idea, but the ‘restoration’ article gives that work focus – and there would be not much point in doing that until the article is up there anyway. Glad you agree (point 3) about not turning it into a list. Point 4, an article on the restoration debate would I think be a new topic which I would not consider myself to be knowledgeable enough to write. On his point 5, adding a section to the main ‘Scottish Castles’ page, absolutely, but again not till the article is there.
If you can see other things you feel should be changed I’ll watch out for them – but I really feel that there is not much wrong now with the draft as it now stands? Problem is getting another reviewer to accept it, Asilvering stating that he will not revisit articles that he has turned down. If you are in agreement, as a ‘castles’ expert, do you know of another reviewer who might take your word for it that the draft article is now quite acceptable? Thanks very much. Ross ArchaicW (talk) 17:04, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for taking the time to have a look at this draft article. If there are specific points which you feel if changed would help to get the draft accepted, please do forward them.
In the meantime, as you would see above, a 'castles' expert and experienced Wikipedian, Richard Nevell, has gone through the article and while, as I have said above I don't want to put words into his mouth, he with his expert knowledge of the subject seems to think that the article is OK!
I accept that the original first draft as read by Theroadislong may have had some essay feel to it, but I truly think that has gone! But I look forward to any suggestions you would like to make. Thank you. ArchaicW (talk) 10:52, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
We don't have "experts" here in the sense that we can't verify what qualifications or experience any individual contributor has. I'm not sure where Richard said that the article was "okay" but maybe he just meant in terms of content. Deb (talk) 17:47, 2 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Dear Deb Thanks for your comments. Actually, Richard Nevell is involved as he was asked by Asilvering if he would have a look at the article. Richard has now made several changes/improvements to it.
Apologies, my use of 'expert' and 'OK' perhaps a little casual - perhaps we could change that to 'very knowledgeable' about castles, as can be seen from his User Page. I said he seemed to find the draft Ok, since as you will see from his long comment above I can't myself see that he had any really significant objections? Perhaps he was a little hesitant in his comments, as Asilvering had rejected the draft and perhaps he wasn't quite sure why?
Anyway, Richard has made several alterations which to me have strengthened the draft and have surely removed any essay feel. If there are further points that you would like to edit/add I would be grateful if you would like to do so. Many thanks ArchaicW (talk) 11:28, 3 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I think Richard says that he will carry on making improvements to the article, which means he can see some areas that need improvement. I don't think the essay "feel" has been removed but I will have another look at it. Deb (talk) 14:37, 4 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Dear Deb
Thank you for carrying out several edits. On the bit about finds made during the building work I have added an example, but not removed your 'clarification needed' note - perhaps you could have a look at it and see what you think? Haven't heard anything further from Richard, so I don't know if he had any further edits in mind? Thanks ArchaicW (talk) 13:14, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Hi, JK, thanks very much for pointing that out to me – always thought you had to put something in that box, so from now on I’ll put nothing. Mind you, such a pity your message hadn't been,
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But, hey, to me your communication actually raises two interesting points:
1) Why on earth did you go to the bother of looking for, far less raising, this matter of quite frankly monumental unimportance? Don't tell me, some ‘bot’ auto trawls Wikipedia for solecisms (see point (2) below). Having looked at your Talk page, would it not be better for you to focus your further efforts on looking for the bad or stub articles that need some work done on them? Maybe some more Scottish castles edits?
and 2) What matters more? Adding new, useful material to Wikipedia or trying to follow the mountains of bureaucratic rubbish that Wikipedia has spawning in recent years? It’s unbelievable and 90% of it could be junked tomorrow. With its maturity, Wikipedia seems to have attracted a whole load of nit-pickers more interesting in producing bureaucratic rules then getting on with improving the information and quality of Articles. Best wishes ArchaicW (talk) 11:41, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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