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I know: I filed for it to be deleted back in October and an admin kindly deleted it per my request and I haven't thought about it since until today. Cheers AngelOfSadness talk 18:22, 10 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sorry but completely replacing perfectly sourced content with unsourced content that is quite questionable isn't exactly seen as fine. It would be best if you talk about your changes on the article's talkpage seeing as it was not the first time today which you have been reverted so it seems other editors also have problems with the changes. I and other editors would gladly discuss the changes as creating and upkeeping the article is a continueous community effort. Cheers AngelOfSadness talk 21:05, 16 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Okay that is not true because all I did was make it more informal, because that page has been the same ever since it was made its time for changes and what im doin isnt vandalism or anything.TJ Terry (talk) 22:27, 17 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That's an idea but only if the edits do not improve, source and verifiablilty wise. I was thinking that if Kurt was still alive and the content was inserted, it could have almost been handled as a BLP violation. But that's just what methinks :) AngelOfSadness talk 22:02, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Well I thought better to revert just in case and then suggest to them to seek your permission before uploading content without a source or at least indicating a source :) AngelOfSadness talk 18:39, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I've removed the accountcreator flag from this account. It should only be given to users who have been active at WP:ACC, and after reviewing your user creation log, it doesn't appear that you are. Anyhow, we can always use a few more people to assist with fulfilling requests, so please see WP:ACC/ADMINS and WT:ACC for more info. - Rjd0060 (talk) 14:26, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Ah...that's my doing: I didn't understand the right at the time, and was just trying it out by giving it to someone trustworthy. Now I realize I shouldn't have done it, and instead, should have waited. Acalamari15:36, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
No problem. It normally wouldn't have been a big deal, but for reasons that I cannot discuss here (because of BEANS), we should only give it out to users who will use it. AngelOfSadness is more that welcome to help us out with account creating though! - Rjd0060 (talk) 15:56, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
My change on the rank 1 page was not meant as a viloation of any rights. I am from teh artist recordcompany and justw anted to update their biography.
As I'm new to this, appearantly I did it the wrongway, but never meant as doing anything illegal.
Well, it would be best if you didn't edit the article as it presents a conflict of interest as you work with the subject of the article. You could however, maybe post the updates you wish to add on the article's talkpage and other editors can put in the changes with the relevent sources. But unfortunately copy/pasting content from elsewhere on the web isn't allowed on Wikipedia as because of copyrights etc. and a lot of the times such content is not written in a neutral point of view which is an important factor in all Wikipedia articles. Hope this helps. Cheers AngelOfSadness talk 13:38, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Nomination
Acalamari would like to nominate you to become an administrator. Please visit Wikipedia:Requests for adminship to see what this process entails, and then contact Acalamari to accept or decline the nomination. A page has been created for your nomination at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/AngelOfSadness . If you accept the nomination, you must state and sign your acceptance. You may also choose to make a statement and/or answer the optional questions to supplement the information your nominator has given. Once you are satisfied with the page, you may post your nomination for discussion, or request that your nominator do so.
It's not quite June 1st UTC, but as I said, I'd get the RfA created a bit before. :) Just waiting for you and co-nominations now. :) Whenever you're ready. Acalamari23:26, 31 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Great. I tell you it's strange (a good strange) to see that page all of a sudden on the top of my watchlist and as a blue link. I guess I have about eight days to get used to it :) AngelOfSadness talk 23:36, 31 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I have three nominations on my watchlist at the moment now that yours is a bluelink. :) KOS will be pleasantly surprised too. Acalamari23:37, 31 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I supported the page's deletion because originally I had proposed for it to be deleted (my reasoning is in the article's page history but it doesn't stray far from my comment at the Afd) but the creator removed the PROD tag, which is allowed, but on condition that they would work on finding sources for the content. But really, when I googled "Heather Dylan" nothing about a car accident, death threats or even music came up so, ultimately, I doubted the creator would find any reliable sources. But anyway, the Afd will run for five days, and if the creator can't find any sources within that time, the article will most likely be deleted.
Seeing as it is the third time to be created within two days, I don't think it would hurt to request the administrator, who deletes the page, to salt the page which will protect the page from being created seeing as the page has been deleted twice already for being both a hoax and a BLP violation. Hope this helps. AngelOfSadness talk 16:03, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks
Thanks. I'm a complete newbie so it's a miracle I even figured out how to bring this article to the Afd process. Depending on the outcome, I may ask for help in how to request the adminstrator to salt the page.
As a long time fan of jakob dylan and Bob dylan, I've been reading every webpage and news article about them for years. There's never been even a rumour of this person--so I'm positive this is an well thought-out hoax.
Daffidd (talk) 17:23, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
No problemo. Also well done with filing the Afd as I remember both my first Afd and having immense difficulty understanding how to file the thing. Anyway, I'll gladly help you when requesting the salting of the page. :)
The most reliable source I have seen regarding the subject of the article was the TV.com entry for Heather Dylan but the site itself is completely unreliable as users can edit it's content just like Wikipedia except with Wikipedia, the users here actually question the content. But I'm glad to know that someone who knows a lot about the Dylan family can confirm my suspicions of the article being a well-thought out hoax. AngelOfSadness talk 17:38, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'm with Daffidd on this one. I am also a longtime Jakob Dylan fan and was very disturbed by all this misinformation. I don't know Jakob personally, but having read many articles on him I can say this whole Heather Dylan thing is really far-fetched. Never once have I read anything that even hinted at this adopted daughter. In fact, in a recent Vogue article, he mentioned he has four sons (no mention of a fifth child). It's very frustrating that people are continuing with the misinformation/unverified information, so thanks for helping us Dylan fans keep the pages accurate. Separatehorns (talk) 21:42, 4 June 2008 (UTC)Separatehorns[reply]
I've actually be trying to find the printed articles that the !keep voters have added as sources but the dates of the magazine releases don't add up. Also all of the Rolling Stone articles that both relate to Jakob and The Wallflowers are on the Rolling Stone official website and not one of them mentions a daughter. Even though I know very little about Jakob myself, I was suspicious about the content of the Heather article when I went to check the references and not a single one of them worked. Google shows up nothing usable as a source as all the hits are either blank pages on celebrity websites or mentions on yahoo answers or Tv.com, both which anyone can edit and, like you said, are extremely unreliable. AngelOfSadness talk 21:55, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This was exactly the type of website I was looking for, cheers for cutting down my search :). I thought you guys should know that a sockpuppet report has been filed, not by me, on the supporters (the ones who voted keep") of the article, as it has become extremely clear that it's more than likely most of them are the same person (I mean not even Afd debates relating to Britney Spears get that much attention from new accounts within the same half hour). Anyway, the sockpuppet report is viewable here if your curiosity gets the better of you (I know mine already has :)). AngelOfSadness talk 10:47, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, too, Seperatehorns. The WF Network most definitely has every article ever in print or on the web about Jakob Dylan from the early 90's until 2005. I can say I've read every one of them and there has never even been a rumour of this daughter. The Dylan's might be private, but they aren't magic. The press would jump all over such a situation whether they liked it or not. Anyway, preaching to the choir here.
Glad to be of help. This whole fiasco is actually what prompted me to create a Wikipedia account, so I could help restore the accuracy (boy, is this thing confusing for a newbie!). Hopefully this will all be put to rest soon, and I hope the Jakob and Bob Dylan pages are restored to being accurate without somebody coming back constantly to add this daughter reference. Daffidd: I visit Jakob's and the Wallflowers' websites every day too. Maybe we've come across each other? I'm more of a lurker, but I'm familiar with the regular posters (not sure if you're one of them or if you lurk too). Separatehorns (talk) 15:01, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
A question for you: What is the process for having the sentence about Heather Dylan removed from Jakob Dylan's and Bob Dylan's biographies? I've tried editing the document but they just put it right back up each time. Is there a similar process to go through to have it removed since they cannot back up the fact with a reference?
Daffidd (talk) 14:11, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Well if the sockpuppet report comes back positive, all of the offending socks will be blocked so that can prevent some of it. If it's been happening very often, maybe request semi-protection at WP:RFPP if multiple IPs and newer accounts are involved in inserting the material. All anyone can really do is revert and warn at this point.
Thanks again. I am trying for semi protection but not sure if we'll get it. We'll see... Talk about a learning curve for all of this stuff. I love the terminology: Salting, sock puppets and meat puppets. haha And Separatehorn: check your talk page.
It's really depends on the most recent occurance and if the occurences are frequent enough on whether the page gets semi-protected or not. I know all of the terminology must be making your head spin, I know it did when I first stared anyway :) AngelOfSadness talk 18:24, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Just letting you know we received a total protection on the Jakob Dylan bio and it seems jjonjonjon has been banned for 12 hours. Thanks for the help!
Daffidd (talk) 14:35, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
I know as I have WP:RFPP on my watchlist as well as the sockpuppet report. Actually it appears his block has been changed to indefinate in the last few minutes, but we'll have to wait until the sock report returns to see if any of the suspected socks get blocked aswell. Glad I caould be of some help :) AngelOfSadness talk 14:41, 6 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Wow. I can't figure out what he's been doing in the meantime to get himself banned indefinitely, but he's making it easier on everyone by proving our case for us. We'll keep watching...
Well really he was blocked not banned as the two are two different policies on Wikipedia. He was blocked from editing by an admin which means, he can't edit any pages on the whole of Wikipedia. However bans, on the other hand, are a formal revocation of editing privledges after a discussion by the Wikipedia community which has gained consensus to such. Bans can apply to the whole Wikipedia project or even just a specific topic. Blocks can be used to enforce bans as a ban, by itself, is a social construct and does not disable a user's ability to edit any page.
I know all of this can be hard to grasp but I guess it's just some terminology (I know that is not as fun sournding as meat puppets :D) that shouldn't be confused with one another. :) AngelOfSadness talk 13:59, 7 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I know, sure even recent events made me make up the following motto/saying this morning "Socks are evil: Another reason to edit barefoot". It's kinda strange but it cheered me up when I thought of it. AngelOfSadness talk 19:04, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I have a shared IP address and keep getting messages that I am vandalising Wikipedia and if this continues to happen I will be blocked from editing. Why am I being persecuted just because another user is vandalising talk pages? Please help.
All I can do is tag your userpage with a shared IP template, and if it comes to the time when the IP has to be blocked (usually from editing for 24 hours, it doesn't prevent you reading wikipedia in any way), then the deciding admin should take that into consideration. If you want to edit constructively but not on the shared IP, I suggest you make an account. AngelOfSadness talk 23:10, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Your RFA
Congratulations, I'm pleased to let you know that I've closed your RfA as successful, and you're now an administrator! May I suggest you visit the Wikipedia:New admin school to get a few ideas on the best way to start using your shiny new buttons? If in doubt, feel free to give me a shout! Well done and all the best, The Rambling Man (talk) 19:38, 8 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Congratulations from me, AngelOfSadness! I am very pleased that your nomination passed, and at a high tally of 81/0/1! If you need any help or advice, feel free to ask me, Rlevse, Nishkid64, or any other admin! Best wishes. Acalamari20:40, 8 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks everyone. I really appreciate it and the offers for assistance. I think right now will be a good idea to read up on those links before I accidentally block Jimbo :) AngelOfSadness talk 20:45, 8 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Aw, man, I saw the new message bar and clicked it immediately, hoping to help with some conflict or concern or answer someone's question, but no, you're just fixing your formatting. Thanks a lot. I should've known, I saw you fixing the formatting on talkpages in my watchlist. :P Useight (talk) 00:19, 9 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry about that, but it was only after I posted all 82 thanks on the user talkpages that I noticed part of the formatting was missing so I had to go and fix all of them which isn't exactly fun at twenty past one in the morning. :) AngelOfSadness talk 00:24, 9 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Well done! I'm very pleased to see you did well. I always knew you would be a good admin, all the way back from July last year, when I first met you on here. Best wishes, and happy editing! Lradrama12:05, 9 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Well I'm reading this just in case there is any advice, comments or complaints about my actions as an admin, but if there were complaints already I would be worried as I have only made one admin action so far. But as you said, Dustihowe, to WP:AIV I go :) AngelOfSadness talk 14:21, 9 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Any day, my friend. You've truly earned the responsibilities and therefore the outcome comes to no surprise. Good luck! — Dorvaq (talk) 15:55, 9 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Aww! Glad to know I was missed! I'm here on-and-off. Work has been hectic enough that I've had precious little time to contribute. I do rather miss the place, though! --ClubjuggleT/C21:26, 10 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Of course now I'm going to request that you should be on Wikipedia more :) But of course you were missed and now that you're here I'm afraid I can't let you leave *shuts the imaginary Wikipedia door* AngelOfSadness talk 21:46, 10 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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First, let me thank you for not spamming Wikipedia as you are closely associated with the product which would have presented a conflict of interest. Anyway, it would be best if you presented this idea to the talkpage of a relevent wikiproject,for example Wikiproject Software, as it would inform those used to writing articles about specific software and they would be able to help you with the article a lot more. Honestly, I'm not much of an article writer and the articles I do work on are 95% entertainment (music & TV) related so I don't have much experience writing about software whereas the users at WikiProject Software would. Hopes this helps AngelOfSadness talk 19:36, 10 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
They are almighty if I was to say so myself. And if I was to describe their almighty-ness with a strange comparision, I would say that they are like a dream. Specifically where the subject has giant vandal wacking hands similar to the giant hands of Dave Grohl in that Foo Fighters video for "Everlong". At least in reality, the "giant hands" don't prevent me from typing :) So to answer your question, I do like the new tools AngelOfSadness talk 19:59, 12 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
i you deleted my artical about andrew grainger, i was woundering why you did so.
plz respond, andrew grainger was a person from my religon so plz repost it or some thing because i would like people to know about some of the myths my people tell.
ty. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Monka98 (talk • contribs) 15:17, 14 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Well, the article itself didn't assert the importance or signifcance of the subject (Andrew Grainger) which made it eligible for speedy deletion. Such articles are supposed to give an indication of why the subject is notable, without the indication the article was deleted. Cheers AngelOfSadness talk 15:22, 14 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yes I do remember you and again thank you for the barnstar and again for the support :) No problemo. You should know that the IP has also been blocked for 24 hours aswell after the userpage edit. AngelOfSadness talk 18:24, 14 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
yes. I checked the talk, and left him a message. His vandalism on my userpage was actually, "From the guy you just busted: come on, you're a democrat, at least let me keep the thing that said Reagan was a fag, he was a terrible president and you know it. P.S. Bush is a fag too." Charming! The guy has the right mind! See you around! Shapiros10contact meMy work18:27, 14 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think I have ever seen userpage vandalism quite like that before. Maybe he should take his thoughts to youtube or something where people can truly appreciate his work :P. Or maybe he shouldn't. Anyway, see you around :) AngelOfSadness talk 18:34, 14 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Actually I think they meant "hole" which would mean they can't spell and indeed would match the critera of a vandal or the actually meant "whole" and were being nice in their threatening assertion. AngelOfSadness talk 21:03, 20 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Ok. It's looks like consensus to me as there weren't exactly any objections :). I have the Barack Obama presidential campaign, 2008 article on my watchlist so you can carry out the first page move and as soon as that's done I can delete the Barack Obama presidential campaign, 2008 article so the other page move can be done. AngelOfSadness talk 20:37, 23 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Ahh yes the flamming hawt conversation which I'm now trying to remember how that arose in the first place *starts searching through archives for an answer* :) AngelOfSadness talk 21:14, 23 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
You could still try. If they don't learn, just blame the students. That strategy seemed to work for a few of my college professors. --ClubjuggleT/C22:55, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Ahh I see that I had an unfair advantage with my broadband connection :) But yes the blocks were very much appreciated. I'm guessing they got bored after the fourth(?)or so block and with two admins against them. AngelOfSadness talk 21:04, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]