Callaway is just blowing smoke. They and every administrator know that even if the article history must be kept, it in no way indicates that the current article content must be kept as a stand alone article. The "delete" !votes just get converted to "convert to redirect and permalock". -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom21:08, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I see. Makes sense; I was skeptical that by merging something into another article you could somehow legitimately prevent the parent article from being deleted. Thanks! AgnosticAphidtalk21:30, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
MOS
Interesting. "I don't think it's really necessary to say this again, but a great deal of effort went into the MOS section in question, and absent some sort of ultra-compelling reason -- which 'Wikipedia is wrong' really is not -- I cannot see this ending up differently than all the other similar discussions." I can not think of a better reason for editing a guideline, than to stop it from introducing errors into Wikipedia. My first edit was prompted solely because Wikipedia was wrong, and I corrected it. While many of my edits add information, a large portion of them correct errors. What sort of ultra compelling reason is more important than "Wikipedia is wrong"? Sounds ultra compelling to me. How can we expect anyone to trust Wikipedia if we believe that being wrong is acceptable in an encyclopedia whose sole purpose is to provide accurate and correct information? Apteva (talk) 18:40, 16 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I would submit that there is a difference between substantive errors in Wikipedia's encyclopedic content, which definitely should be corrected, and differences between our in-house style manual and common usage, which is more a matter of opinion and consistency. I don't think that there's any requirement that the MOS reflect common usage. Obviously we shouldn't choose rules that are hopelessly confounding or grammatically incorrect, but the rule in question here is crystal clear -- just use an en dash -- and it's not like using the en dash in this way is prohibited. AgnosticAphidtalk18:57, 16 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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bold justice
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Hi, I'm just writing to let you know I have contested the PROD of the above article. My reasons are explained on the talk page. The phrase may still not be in regular enough usage, but given the sources currently in the article, I think that should be decided via an AFD. Kind regards, AtHomeIn神戸 (talk) 11:53, 15 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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19:20, 27 February 2015 Agnosticaphid (talk | contribs | block) . . (47,692 bytes) (-266) . . (Undid revision 649119189 by PBS (talk) wary of adding a lonely punctuation rule to WP:AT when WP:MOS expressly states to refer to it bc "WP:Article titles does not contain detailed rules about punctuation.")
It is not "a lonely punctuation rule" see for example "Do not enclose titles in quotes".
See Wikipedia talk:Article titles/Archive 40#RfC on COMMONSTYLE proposal (January 2013) , WT:AT#Stylization of the "common name" (February 2015), Just because the MOS contains an express statement does not mean there is consensus for such a statement -- surly you must know that as you took part in both discussions. The MOS is a guideline, AT is policy and as WP:POLICY says "Policies explain and describe standards that all users should normally follow, while guidelines are meant to outline best practices for following those standards in specific contexts". In this case it is a standard not best practice.
But telling editors not to end titles with a period is surely a "best practice for following" the article titling standards "in [the] specific context" of what punctuation should or should not be used. Right? The whole section of WP:AT is a bunch of rules for things "used in deciding on questions not covered by the five principles" which actually means the whole list is really more of a guideline than a policy since it's applying the 5 principles to "specific contexts". Also, where do we draw the line with these punctuation rules? Do we put all of the rules in WP:AT? Should we have an extended discourse on whether titles should use an en dash or hyphen? These are all sorts of stylistic considerations involved in titling articles but that's why we have a manual of style, I thought. Finally, a variation on the sentence we're discussing has been in WP:MOS for much longer than three years. AgnosticAphidtalk17:04, 28 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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