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As someone who may live or work near Washington D.C., you may be interested - if you've not heard already - about the meetup scheduled for Saturday, May 17th, at Union Station. For details, please see Wikipedia:Meetup/DC 4.
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Am I the only person that received 2 weeks worth of news? I forgot that I didn't get the newsletter last week. APKyada yada06:13, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
Hi, APK - just wanted to point you to a handy tool - Flickr Upload Bot. It's pretty awesome - it will automatically create a description page, review the license details, and upload the highest-resolution version of a Flickr image. Try it sometime! Kellyhi!14:44, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
I've had many discussions about this subject with college friends (I was forced to attend a fundamentalist Baptist college if I wanted help from my family) and I visited St. John's Metropolitan Community Church and other liberal churches in Raleigh a few times. I talked about it with the preachers and they basically said the same thing. Thanks for the link. APKyada yada00:19, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
You're welcome. I find it sad so many people who actually want to practice their faith are turned away from their religious institutions because of their sexual orientation or gender identity. There are a few other resources too.
The World Congress of Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, and Transgender Jews: Keshet Ga’avahThe World Congress of Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, and Transgender Jews: Keshet Ga’avah consists of around 50 member organizations in Argentina, Australia, Austria, Canada, France, Germany, Hungary, Israel, Mexico, The Netherlands, Spain, Sweden, the United Kingdom, and the United States.
United Churches of ChristOpen and Affirming is the way many in the United Church of Christ (UCC) declare their welcome and inclusion of gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) persons into the full life of the church. The message of love and compassion, justice and peace are at the very core of the life and ministry of Jesus.
Al-FatihaAl-Fatiha Foundation is dedicated to Muslims who are lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, intersex, questioning, those exploring their sexual orientation or gender identity, and their allies, families and friends.
I almost visited the Unitarian church in Raleigh that we discussed. I tried the UCC and spoke to the pastor for 3 hours. He wanted me to help him start some kind of LGBT outreach, but I declined. I remember pulling into the UCC parking lot and noticing all of the cars had Kerry/Edwards bumper stickers. I was in shock. You would understand why if you knew how I was raised. We were taught real Christians didn't vote Democrat, at least not for the really liberal candidates. Ahhh, I was so sheltered growing up. APKyada yada06:14, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
That doesn't surprise me. I know there are some that think all liberals are minions of Satan. clicking checking to make sure her horns are well hiddenAletaSing14:45, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
Image source
You may find this site of great value in locating US Govt pictures for places in North Carolina. I used it to find some 30s and 40s pictures for a couple of Mississippi related articles. Since US Govt images are free of copyright, it makes it easy to upload them to Commons. Just type North Carolina in the search box or Raleigh, North Carolina , etc. -✰ALLSTAR✰echo10:19, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
Nevermindz, I haz it figure out now. Let me show my appreciation by linking to this. (for any male hetero readers, I wouldn't recommend clicking the link) APKyada yada
Gracias. The link isn't working right now. The same thing happened with one of the Orton links, so I used switched it to the cached version. I don't know what's going to on with that nc govt website. APKyada yada22:07, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
That's bizarre. It worked for me immediately before I posted the link to your page, and it's working now. Let me know if you can't get it again, and I'll put the text (which is sadly brief) into an email to you so you can at least see what it says. AletaSing02:20, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
The same thing happened with the Orton link. It works on and off. Maybe it was just a system glitch the past day or so? I'm going to write the Russellborough article tonight so I'll see if that link can be used. BTW, look at the bottom of the page here for some sources I found for NC Pride. If you want to add some sources for Equality NC to the page, we can just use that sandbox as a place to store sources for team-up articles. I'm going to write the NC Pride & Equality NC pieces after I finish Russellborough, Brunswick Town, and the Temple of Israel. APKyada yada02:35, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
Who knows what's up? Maybe they need a new server or something. That's cool about the storage box for sources. I'll look for some for NC EQ. AletaSing03:25, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
Can this picture be used for the Russellborough article? I don't know if it would be considered fair use since the building was destroyed in the 1700s and there's no picture of it. APKyada yada23:53, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
I bet you could use it as fair use if there's not a free source of the image somewhere. Since it's so old though, I wonder if a free copy does exist that could be found. AletaSing02:32, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
OMG, look at today's featured article. Leaving out the scientology aspect, that has to be one of the dumbest movies ever. I guess it shows that if an article is well-written and sourced, anything can make it to the front page. APKyada yada03:41, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
Haha, that's pretty amusing, and I think your analysis (about the mp - I haven't seen the movie) is spot on. AletaSing04:16, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
Ha, ok. BTW, I'll have the last ghost town article for NC finished in a little while. At least I think that's the last ghost town, there are only 5 on the state listings page. APKyada yada08:56, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
Hey, I've just given you rollback because I think you might find it useful, and I don't believe you'd abuse it. Know that rollback is only to be used for blatant vandalism; terrible but good faith edits should be reverted manually. If for some reason you'd prefer not to have rollback ability, just let me know, and I'll disable it. :) AletaSing03:54, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
Ah, gracias! I've seen many rollback discussions on various talk page. The lesson I learned from watching people lose rollback status is to not use it for edit warring and like you said good faith edits. This will come in handy for articles such as North Carolina, Cary, North Carolina (it seems it's the new vandal hangout the past few days), and Halo. That last article is on my watchlist when I added Halo (bar) to the list of uses. For some reason it appears to be vandalized on a daily basis. (maybe semi will be in order soon for Halo, just a heads up Aleta) Also, I'm reducing my normal WP editing this week (Mon-Wed) because I don't want to get burnt out. I decided an occassional 2-3 day semi-break (not completely absent from the site, i'll just be checking this page and my watchlist) would be in order so I don't get tired of the site. If any of you guys/gals believe in prayer (and thinks it works), put APK down on the list because he sick (hence this semi-break). Laterz. APKyada yada04:37, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
I have removed the tables with which you were having trouble changing your available times. Instead it now it is automatically updated by SoxBot V. That should make HAU much easier to use and more accurate. Useight (talk) 05:23, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
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There is a message left on my IP address's talk page about vandalism. However, I don't understand - when I checked "my" contributions, they were not mine. Why is this? 89.240.209.151 (talk) 15:49, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
Slurp Yum! ;-) I'm feeling a little better. I slept most of the day and it looks as if I missed quite a bit. Hopefully I'll finish the articles I was working on a few days ago. I didn't feel like it yesterday, so I just patrolled recent changes for a few hours. For some reason, that was therapeutic. APKyada yada02:50, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
Mentally or physically? :-P Yes, I've been feeling a little under the weather. Not to get too graphic, but I've hugged the toilet more than a college freshman at a keg party. APKyada yada02:55, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
I'm glad you're feeling a bit better. That's miserable. On a different manner, did you see your clone? AletaSing02:59, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
Ah, I see it now. It took me a while to get that far on my watchlist. Yes, I fathered a child back in the late 80s. He was born with 12 toes and deformed penis, so I left him on the doorstep of the local 7-Eleven. I always wondered what happened to that lil bastard. APKyada yada03:09, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, and I'm staying out of it, as I said my piece. Too much drama there (and elsewhere). Hell, this place even has more drama than that place. If I didn't know I would be back anyway (due to major wikiaddiction), I would retire also. "Let it Be" (Beatles) — BecksTalk to me03:32, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
Hello again. The Highly Active Users project has gone through a complete revamping per popular demand. We believe this new format will make it easier for new editors to find assistance. However, with the new format, I must again ask you to verify your information on this page. I attempted to translate the data from the old version to the new, but with the extensive changes, I may have made some errors. Thanks again. Useight (talk) 04:11, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
The auto-updating status has a slight lag of anywhere between 5 and 15 minutes. Keep editing and hopefully it will change to online in a few minutes. If it doesn't, let me know and I'll take a closer look at your case. As for the checkmarks, no, they're not just for admins, they're for all editors. Based on what you said on my talk page, you'll probably want to check Vandalism, Noticeboards, and Content. Useight (talk) 04:21, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
It doesn't check whether you're logged in or not, it checks if you made an edit within the last 15 minutes. Yours is showing you as online right now. Useight (talk) 04:40, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
5/16 DYK
On 16 May, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Orton Plantation, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.
Goddamit, I had two great pictures that took alot of work to get for the article and they weren't used for the main page. Oh well. No APK dance this time. APKyada yada04:25, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
This possibly bipolar user who has harassed me in the past has taken upon herself to copy and paste material from my sandboxes. Here is her "reasoning." Aleta, remember the article we were going to write? (Equality NC...sources near the bottom of the page) Look at Equality North Carolina, created after you added the sources to my sandbox. She also created City Market in Raleigh, another article I had listed on the to-do list on my user page. She is free to create articles that were listed on my user page, but copy and pasting material from my sandboxes is fucking pathetic. I started a thread at ANI about this and I expect the Moore Square article to be deleted. I will finish the one in my sandbox today and move it to the mainspace. She only did this because she is continuing her psychotic infatuation with me and because of our history she should know better than to pull some cheap stunt like this. APKyada yada09:22, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
Her version of the article was deleted and I went ahead and moved my stub version to mainspace before she tries to copy it again. Geez, some people need a life. APKyada yada12:33, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
Wow, all the drama was over before I saw any of this. It's good Seraphim deleted the version of Moore Square with broken GFDL, but what a pain. AletaSing15:06, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, the links and diffs I used above are no good unless you're an admin. You may have missed this drama, but there's always more at ANI. BTW, there's backlog at AIV in case you're bored. APKyada yada15:09, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
The only problem we are having is with tha age of the sources, the reviewers think some are too old, a source from 2000 is to old in their eyes. Some need replacing with newer sources that are equally reliable, other than that its ok. Realist2 (Come Speak To Me) 17:32, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
Eating Post-it notes and pencils? WTF! (One pencil=26 calories? Who knew.) The author of that book looks near death from extreme weight loss. As to Cristal, I don't care how many calories, since it's just too wonaful and the best Champagne evah. I be durrin great after drinking that. — BecksTalk to me20:57, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
King Cobra malt liquor 40 oz.
Congrats on the GA which is only one letter short of being flaming. Now that you're done drinking that pansy water, have one of these..
Ok, so i know i have been very rude to you over this site threw talk pages and i have argued as well. I wanna say i'm very very sorry for my actions and behaviors towards you, and i hope you will accept my Apology because your also very cute :D but ya.. i look forword to working with ya! ;) -Peace
I actually found a picture to use from flickr w/o resorting to begging! Another one even! Too bad they're not of the actual hotel and just the infamous statue boobies. APK has rubbed those things when he was a lil tipsy. APKyada yada21:56, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
Eureka! Um, I need advice to whoever might be reading this. That picture shows the hotel's name, but it's a closeup of the mammaries. I know WP isn't censored and all that bullshit. I'm not worried about showing her girls. I just don't know if it seems too in-your-face for the hotel's picture. Suggestions? APKyada yada21:59, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
It doesn't really add much to the hotel that the first two photos don't. But what the hey, that's just my wooden nickel's worth, since y'all axed. ;-) — BecksTalk to me22:07, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
Ok, so 1 for no mammaries. Any other opinions? I like this picture, just because the chick in the white chair looks like she might be high. I wish there were some free ones for the Topaz Hotel. (FYI, I can walk to all of these place but I'm not lazy, I just don't have a camera at the moment) Becks, I wish I had known about these other hotel articles I was going to write. We could have taken some more pictures! Becks was in D.C. this past Saturday night for the DC meetup. We met and talked shit about all of you!!! :P I kid, I kid, that was the adminstrator and former Arbcom member doing that. APKyada yada22:13, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
Um... The lobby photo at the Rouge is no-commercial, so no good. Although the woman does add a touch. Sigh... all the good ones are unavailable, whether Flickr photos, dates or significant others. As to taking more photos of DC hotels and buildings, I'll be back. — BecksTalk to me22:42, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
zOMG10 I just found several hundred high-quality, free-use flickr photos of places in D.C. and other cities. Does this make me a nerd that I'm excited? I might need some help adding the pix to appropriate articles. APKyada yada02:53, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
Sadly, the two flickr users have zero NYC pictures. One user's collection is almost entirely of D.C. The other user's collection is of D.C., SF, Chicago, Nawlins, Boston, and Rome. I'll e-mail you the links. APKyada yada23:40, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
Brothers take arms against this threat A fate that’s far worse than just death A righteous man is always straight He'll stand behind you and there’s no escape The chalice of bone is filled with the blood of saints You’ll look at “bros before ho’s” in a whole new way Gay by Dawn Gay by Dawn Gay by Dawn Gay by Dawn Gay by Dawn Gay by Dawn Gay by Dawn You’ll be Gay by Dawn There’s no escape.
"Cletus, did you really make that story up?
What do you think stupid?
Don't know, heard they lived in the cities.
My cousin, he seen 'em.
Seen 'em kissin.
Took his sight.
He blind Cletus." APKyada yada16:45, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
lmao Best exhange in the whole film. I also watched an interview with the guy that made it and he said he's got a full length Gay By Dawn 2 in the works. -✰ALLST☆R✰echo16:58, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
Can you give us a spread of all your various WMATA photos that you're considering posting? I'm sure you've got some real winners in there that ought to go up, but I'd like to see the whole body of work. SchuminWeb (Talk) 02:10, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
Ok. I'm not sure of how many there are yet because I haven't finished looking through the user's free-use gallery. BRB. APKyada yada02:12, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
I notice you're reverting my edits. I assume it's because you took the pictures I'm replacing? The Columbia Heights picture I added is of excellent quality and I reverted your edit. APKyada yada03:26, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
I actually really like the Columbia Heights picture that you swapped in, but I don't think a B/W photo is a particularly great idea when dealing with a non-historic matter on Wikipedia. I'm halfway inclined to go over to Columbia Heights station with my camera after work or something and snap a shot from a similar angle. The Shaw photo legitimately does have issues, because the escalator is distracting there, and it's angled in such a way that most of what you see is ceiling, with most of the station in the bottom half of the photo.
Otherwise, I looked at the photos (not all of them yet, but thank you for listing), and it looks like we can turn up some winners in there. Lot of Red Line photos in there, too. I see the Red Line every day on my Glenmont-to-Dupont-and-back commute. Then I'm also agreed that we need to add something about the Walt Whitman passage to Dupont Circle. SchuminWeb (Talk) 10:58, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
If you don't think the B&W pix are good for the main pic, then they should still be used somehow because some of these pix are too good not to use on the site. It's rare that we can find free-use high quality photos. APKyada yada11:52, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
There's nothing wrong with black and white pictures, especially if they are better than the color options (which may or may not be the case with this one - I don't know). I don't think color versus b&w should necessarily be the deciding factor, unless the pictures are otherwise of comparable quality. AletaSing22:07, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
Rainbow photo, Hawaii
Hi, APK. Are you sure that picture is the Big Island? It looks more like Kaua'i to me, although I could be wrong. Awien (talk) 03:08, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
So it's not your own picture? I'm not sure that the caption of a picture from somebody's cruise is very authoritative - and in the set, it appears in the middle of his/her Kaua'i pix, too. I know the Big Island VERY well and Kaua'i a little, and the weathering of the rock looks wrong for the former and right for the latter. I suggest reverting to the waterfall pic - what do you think? Awien (talk) 01:02, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
I see no reason why the flickr user would say it's the Big Island if it wasn't. If you want to remove it, go ahead. I'm getting use to people removing the pix I've managed to find on flickr. I think this concludes my uploading free-use flickr pix. I uploaded around a hundred or so in the past day, but I don't think I'll be adding anymore to articles. There are several hundred to go, but going back and forth with people that don't like the pictures (or ones that own articles and don't like the fact I'm replacing the pix they took, like the Washington Metro articles) is getting old very quickly. APKyada yada03:38, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
APK will have this ferocious dog attack editors that remove the pix he's adding.
Because the flickr user made a mistake. However, I have no evidence so am not going to do anything. Also, I was just going to urge you not to get discouraged about adding pictures since WikiFairies like you are in much shorter supply than WikiGnomes like me, when I saw that you got another pat on the back for your activities. So don't give up (especially not on account of my questionig this one). Awien (talk) 17:55, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
I was sleepy and in a bad mood for RL reasons when I posted above, so sorry. If you're bored and want to add any of the pictures I uploaded to Commons, feel free. Thanks. APKyada yada18:02, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
Tried that once - ended up so frustrated I could have bitten through cold steel. Technophile I'm not! Thanks anyway, and don't worry about growling. Awien (talk) 18:11, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
So I bought a new camera this afternoon in Pentagon City and I plan to utilize it for new articles. Now, I just need to replace my laptop that was stolen. Donations for the APK Stolen Laptop Charity Fund can be sent through PayPal. It's tax deductible. :P On a side note, I snapped a picture with my cell of a somewhat infamous hotel located in Pentagon City. Who can tell two events that took place in thishotel that is notable? The winner gets a surprise. APKyada yada01:16, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
Oops, oh well. No idea! (I thought Watergate was in that name, but then made an assumption when I read your clue, and, well, I know what my mama always told me about assumptions!) AletaSing01:28, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
Hint for one notable event - "stained dress" (I'm going to write an article about the hotel because of these events) APKyada yada01:30, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
Yup. Linda Tripp recorded Monica's conversation at the Ritz Carlton bar and federal authorities took her to one of the rooms for questioning. Also, it's where Congressman William J. Jefferson accepted $100,000 in a bribe investigation and was videotaped doing it. You would think he'd realize the hotel is known for federal investigations. APKyada yada01:50, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
First, read this. The school is a very interesting subject. If it was a Christian organization sponsoring a publically-funded school, the ACLU would be all over that shit. (Imagine a public school sharing a building with a Baptist church and having prayer times.) Thanks to political correctness, this school is continuing its activities. The article could probably use an extra eye if someone wants to watchlist it. Edits like this where "POV" categories were removed is bullshit. Um, if the school is not an example of Muslim education, what is? Common sense seems to be lacking with certain editors. I'm amazed the article I linked to in the first sentence is only used once. That needs to change. APKyada yada05:29, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
Thank you for your message. That edition you own is one with which I am not familiar, but it is quite striking. My understanding is that the Rubaiyat went through a great many editions---I own 3 or 4, myself, and I am not sure any of them are listed in the article. The one for which you provided images should, it seems to me, be listed, though, and the images would enhance the article. Unfortunately, like yourself, I have no experience with images, or the uploading thereof, and I find Wikipedia's policies on the matter confusing. Cheers! ---RepublicanJacobiteThe'FortyFive'16:49, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
Thanks
Thanks for reverting my talk page. You'd think after four months, they'd move on, but no such luck! By the way, I love the conversation and congrats you got for the Old Stone House GA above - brilliant! :) Somno (talk) 00:26, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
I took advantage of the beautiful weather we're having and took 80 pictures with my new camera. Have a looksie. Twice I was asked why I was taking pictures of certain buildings. I'm not really surprised who they were, the Algerian embassy and the Church of Scientology. I assume an embassy would be considered notable, but does anyone have a second opinion? I don't know if someone would try to say the topic is already covered in an article like Diplomatic missions of Australia (typing in Australia embassy links to that article). I'm surrounded by embassies and I took a few pictures of them today. My favorite one today is the Embassy of Senegal. APKyada yada01:23, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
No one is answering. I'm discouraged. Anyway, APK walked several miles today and has the blisters to prove it. (Don't wear flip-flops if you plan on walking a long time. I learned the hard way.) I spent 6 hours taking pictures (152 to be exact) and spent 4 hours uploading and editing them on my computer, as well as 3 hours uploading them to Commons. I am worn the fuck out. APKyada yada06:48, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
Awesome. APK has a new (replacement) toy. Aren't digital cameras great. Really good pictures. And Becks was gonna visit DC and help APK by taking photos. (Becks was busy trying to save same articles and stuff so didn't answer right away.) — BecksTalk to me11:42, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
Haha, thank you for the compliments! When I said no one replied I meant about the embassies. Would an article about an embassy in Washington, D.C. automatically be considered notable? Aleta, I took several pictures of different churches if you want to work on those with me. (I guess we should finish the Universalist church first, no? <grin>) Some of them are NRHPs like Mt. Zion UMC, Friends Meeting, and United Church. Here is one that's no longer used as a church, but a historic building nonetheless. Here's another historic church not listed on the NRHP. APKyada yada17:17, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
Hmmm... my inclination would be to say that an embassy in Washington is likely to be inherently notable, but I'm not really sure. There's probably a relevant wikiproject, but I don't know what it would be. Sure, I'll work on the church articles with you. You're right though that we need to finish what we've started. I've got something else in the works, too. I'm too tired to do much tonight, but I hope to do some tomorrow. AletaSing03:06, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
Gracias. I actually found this list and created 5 stubs last night. Some of the embassies are difficult to find! I found the Embassy of the Dominican Republic by mistake when I walked down the wrong way on 22nd Street. I'm finding most of them by that "method". APKyada yada03:28, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
Hi, got your message and see that you've added some pics already. Great! Yes, I had worked on it, is now a complete list with stub for every one, and most or perhaps nearly all have NRHP/NHL text/photo references. So the collection of articles is in pretty good shape to support development of the list-article to FL. It would be great if you would work on descriptions, and I will contribute, too. I should say upfront that I prefer, fairly strongly, for the descriptions to be extracts/summaries of the articles, and that they should not include anything not in the article. To keep in sync this way, then sometimes to create a good description of the site, it requires developing the article a bit more. I am just saying this because i have struggled with some other list-articles where new stuff got into the descriptions, and/or the descriptions were developed while the individual NHL articles were still red-links. I trust this should not be a problem with this list, as the articles are at least all started. Cheers, doncram (talk) 02:19, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
Sounds good. I'll work on some of the other photos in the next week or so. A few of them are on the other side of the district, so it may take me a little while for those because I rarely leave NW. APKyada yada02:25, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
Dude, you seriously need to quit deleting my stuff! I don't where you get off editing out material that you know nothing about. Did you go to ECU or even know anything about the school? I think not, so bugger off and let people who were in organizations put information up about them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jlcruse (talk • contribs) 17:15, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
Hi dude. I'm not the one deleting it, but I am tagging it for speedy deletion. The article has been deleted several times and recreating over and over again doesn't change the fact it has been considered unnotable not once, not twice, but three times. I once lived in Greenville, so yes, I'm very familiar with ECU. APKyada yada
I think there might be more, but some of the articles he was editing have been deleted so I can't look through the edit history. It's pretty obvious he uses socks. APKyada yada04:24, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
