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User talk:7804j
Translating from other language WikipediasHello! I noticed that you recently created Box turtle. This appears to be a close translation of es:tortuga de caja, which is a featured article on the Spanish Wikipedia. Thank you for putting in the work to translating the article. However, please note that translations require attribution under the terms of Wikipedia's license. When translating from one Wikipedia project to another, this is supplied at minimum in an edit summary at the page into which you've inserted translated content, disclosing the copying and linking to the source page, e.g., I found the same issue when reviewing Kassite dynasty which was translated by an OKA editor, Racnela21. The OKA instructions list attribution as a necessary step but I reckon that OKA work needs a stronger and more formal checklist to ensure that such things are actually done. The article in that case was featured (FA) on the source wikipedia and such articles tend to be quite large and complex. There's lots to be done with such a big article and, for example, no categories have been added to the translated version yet. A checklist would help catch such omissions and so the work would go more smoothly. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:17, 25 October 2022 (UTC) Thanks Andrew, that's actually a good idea! I have created a checklist for our translators and will include it in our processes.7804j (talk) 18:58, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
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Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Onel5969 TT me 16:39, 1 April 2023 (UTC) Gender Equality Act (Switzerland) moved to draftspaceAn article you recently created, Gender Equality Act (Switzerland), is not suitable as written to remain published. It needs more in-depth coverage about the subject itself, with citations from reliable, independent sources in order to show it meets WP:GNG. It should have at least three, to be safe. And please remember that interviews, as primary sources, do not count towards GNG.(?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of " Disambiguation link notification for April 12Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. 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Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of " Swiss Federal Pension Fund moved to draftspaceAn article you recently created, Swiss Federal Pension Fund, is not suitable as written to remain published. It needs more in-depth coverage about the subject itself, with citations from reliable, independent sources in order to show it meets WP:GNG. It should have at least three, to be safe. And please remember that interviews, as primary sources, do not count towards GNG.(?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of " Swiss Abroad Act (Switzerland) moved to draftspaceAn article you recently created, Swiss Abroad Act (Switzerland),is not suitable as written to remain published. It needs more in-depth coverage about the subject itself, with citations from reliable, independent sources in order to show it meets WP:GNG. It should have at least three, to be safe. And please remember that interviews, as primary sources, do not count towards GNG.(?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of " Host State Act (Switzerland) moved to draftspaceAn article you recently created, Host State Act (Switzerland), is not suitable as written to remain published. It needs more in-depth coverage about the subject itself, with citations from reliable, independent sources in order to show it meets WP:GNG. It should have at least three, to be safe. And please remember that interviews, as primary sources, do not count towards GNG.(?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of " Copying licensed material requires attribution (second request)Hi. I see in Federal Consumer Credit Act (Switzerland) you included material /translated from the French Wikipedia. That's okay, but you have to give attribution so that our readers are made aware that you copied the prose rather than wrote it yourself. It's also required under the terms of the license. I've added the attribution for this particular instance. Please make sure that you follow this licensing requirement when copying from compatibly-licensed material in the future. — Diannaa (talk) 13:41, 8 May 2023 (UTC) Federal Consumer Credit Act (Switzerland) moved to draftspaceAn article you recently created, Federal Consumer Credit Act (Switzerland), is not suitable as written to remain published. While it appears to be notable, it needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. There are large sections which are wholly uncited. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of " Disambiguation link notification for May 24An automated process has detected that when you recently edited Federal Department of Home Affairs, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Federal Statistical Office. (Opt-out instructions.) --DPL bot (talk) 06:01, 24 May 2023 (UTC) Federal Office of Personnel moved to draftspaceAn article you recently created, Federal Office of Personnel, is not suitable as written to remain published. It needs more in-depth coverage about the subject itself, with citations from reliable, independent sources in order to show it meets WP:GNG. It should have at least three, to be safe. And please remember that interviews, as primary sources, do not count towards GNG.(?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). 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It needs more in-depth coverage about the subject itself, with citations from reliable, independent sources in order to show it meets WP:GNG. It should have at least three, to be safe. And please remember that interviews, as primary sources, do not count towards GNG.(?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of " Federal Office for Agriculture moved to draftspaceThanks for your contributions to Federal Office for Agriculture. Unfortunately, it is not ready for publishing because it needs more sources to establish notability and the article is predicated purely on primary sources. Any secondary source would contribute to reliability/notability.. Your article is now a draft where you can improve it undisturbed for a while. Please see more information at Help:Unreviewed new page. 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If you wish to participate in the 2023 election, please review the candidates and submit your choices on the voting page. If you no longer wish to receive these messages, you may add Legal topics7804j, thanks for your OKA project to improve/expand Wikipedia's coverage of foreign language Wikipedia topics. I am involved with a similar, medium-to-long-term project to improve Wikipedia's coverage of legal topics at Wikipedia. The list of articles that need to be created for this project is long (multiple years, probably). I have started with criminal law in France and in Brazil. Nav boxes show the possible range for expansion for creation of new articles in the red links at ({{French criminal law}} and {{Brazilian criminal law}}. These are just two of the 193 nations in the UN, and criminal law is just one of the types of law in France and Brazil, others being: Constitutional, Administrative, Family & Succession, Property, Contra○t, Civil, Corporate, Taxation, Labor, and Civil procedure and arbitration., with variations according to country. So an estimate of notable topics for this project is 193 x 10 or 1930, not all of which exist as articles (most do not) for your translation project. But this may give you an idea of what topics are available to be created or translated, and I will be creating more of them as we go. Adding Elinruby. Mathglot (talk) 09:13, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
Regarding long translations: my understanding is that you are pretty much creating a bin of foreign article titles, and letting your members rummage through, pick what they want, and at that point, it's up to them to do what they want, while following Wikipedia policies and guidelines as would be required for any new, translated article, is that it? Or, does OKA pick them and assign them, or something else? In particular, I'm concerned whether there is a requirement or even a suggestion to translate the entire article, once an article has been decided upon by a given translator. I hope that the answer to the latter is 'no'. A lot of foreign Wikipedias are lax about basic policies and guidelines that would get their articles deleted or decimated if published here, and I'm concerned that if we translate rubbish, we increase the amount of rubbish on en-wiki, and obviously that would not be good. Another problem, could be copying a poor overall article section structure into en-wiki. Let's stipulate for a moment that all the foreign articles are model articles: clearly notable, and perfectly sourced. Even if that were the case, translating the whole article (especially if it's long) may not be the best strategy for OKA imho, or at least, for Wikipedia (hopefully there's no conflict there). Creating a new article where one didn't exist before is one of the most difficult tasks at Wikipedia, doubly or triply so in the case of a translation. People who know how to do that (i.e., all your members, presumably) are a scarce resource. I question whether we need/should ask them to translate entire articles. Once a notable, well-translated and -sourced stub is in place in English, the remaining task of expanding it is far easier—either by monolinguals doing it the regular way, or by translators who can just contribute a section or two of translated content here and there, if they wish to. That approach would open up these articles to a larger pool of editors who can handle the much easier expansion task. So in my opinion, the best use of OKA from the point of view of Wikipedia, would be to maximize throughput of new translated articles, at the expense of fully-translated articles, by creating a shortish stub (maybe a several paragraph lead, or a short lead plus a few shortish sections; for a BLP, that might mean a paragraph each on Early life, Career, and Works) and then leave the other 90% of it untranslated, and move on to the next one. Remember that some large percentage of readers never read past the lead of an article, anyway. So, I see that approach as optimizing your resources as well as maximizing benefit to Wikipedia's readers by quintupling the number of articles being created, in exchange for reducing the average length from, say, 30,000 bytes to 6,000. There is WP:NODEADLINE, and if the article topic merits expansion, it will be at some point. (And if it doesn't, then why waste your members' time, and pay for it in the bargain?) One other thing: judging how to best organize a large topic (by that I mean, what sections and subsections to include and in what order and nesting levels) is yet another skill, which probably isn't required for your members but which some may have, anyway. Typically, the organization of a large article (foreign or not) has grown organically, rather than been thought out as a long treatment from the start. That is completely normal, given how Wikipedia operates. However, often the overall organization is severely lacking due to the horse-designed-by-committee problem, and rationalizing the overall structure of such an article (even without adding or subtracting any text) is very complex; I've done it several times, and it's a thankless task. However, when faced with translating a long article from a foreign source, we now have a golden opportunity: namely, to look at the whole topic, decide how it ought to be organized, start from a scaffolding consisting of nothing but the section/subsection headers, and go from there. (It can still grow organically from a reduced set of sections so you don't start out with 25 empty sections in the article, but at least with a full design in mind that can grow from a logical starting point and a progression strategy thought out in advance.) I think that to translate a long article, which I assume for most of your members means following the original section organization, is a gigantic missed opportunity. Worse, once the new structure is in place, the likelihood that it will ever be overhauled and recast into a more logical section organization is minimal. So, that is another reason not to translate whole, long articles—or at least, not until the whole topic has been analyzed, and the proper section organization determined. And if they do decide to translate the whole thing for whatever reason, the scaffold is a great way to chop it up into manageable pieces that can be revisited whenever, almost without any context or memory of what came before. Furthermore, it lends itself very well to specialization and task-sharing, i.e., other translators of the same language dipping in to just handle a section or two here and there, or even multiple translators all at the same time, divvying up the sections in order to get one particular article released quickly, if there is ever a reason to do that. You could assign your translator-organizers, a more limited group, the task of building scaffolds and adding the proper {{find sources}} queries per section, and all your other translators the task of going through, picking out section chunks, and translating them.
I am still developing and trying out different approaches for this, and one that has worked for me recently, is to build a kind of scaffold consisting of a proposed section organization of an imagined completed article, even if I don't plan to write the whole thing myself,, and save it as a subpage of whatever Draft I am working on. In the case of a translation where many of the sources can only be found by using the proper search terms, which may not be obvious for foreign keywords, I add {{Expand section}} templates below the headings and include the proper search terms right in the template so that anyone clicking it will be directed to the sources. (See here for an example of that. Note that this is strictly a scaffold, and is content-free; that comes later, and is in progress here.) Everything else being equal, English sources are preferred, and the find-sources can/should be in English where that makes sense. I may also include one or more of {{Main}}, {{Further}}, or {{Further ill}} at top of section, for those cases where there is already some information available about the subtopic that is worth linking to (and possibly copying from, when we get to expanding that section). Perhaps this is getting a bit far afield from what you view as your mission, but since you asked for feedback, and I have done a fair number of translations, these are my thoughts about it. There is one meta-issue, namely, that of talk venue: this being a wiki, in order to encourage more participation, you might consider creating a WP:WikiProject if you don't already have one. These are places where like-minded contributors interested in a topic can congregate and share information about improving something at Wikipedia; they can be topic-oriented (WP:FRANCE, WP:ASTRONOMY, WP:WikiProject Ancient Rome) or platform- support- or other-oriented (WP:AFC, WP:RETENTION, WP:WikiProject Template, WP:PNT). You could certainly create something like WP:WikiProject OKA Translations or call it anything you wish. This discussion we are having here on your Talk page really shouldn't be here, because it is not about your behavior or contributions as an editor, it is about a project to improve Wikipedia, which is exactly what WP:WikiProjects are for. If you need help setting one up, lmk. Mathglot (talk) 02:10, 3 May 2024 (UTC) Your paid editing organizationI note you state you are the founder of "oka.wiki". I have looked through some of the editors from this, and they are not following the conflict of interest or paid editing requirements. Specifically, editors who are paid must declare that using {{paid}}, not with any freehand written statement, must declare the client (which, if they are a donor to your organization, must be disclosed as such), and COI editors must, to propose a new article, write a draft and request review by articles for creation, and make substantial edits to existing articles via the edit request process, not directly edit mainspace. You may not have known that, so I am not going to block anyone yet, but I will be keeping a close eye and will block anyone who fails to abide by these policies from today forward, so please communicate to the editors you pay that they must do those things. Seraphimblade Talk to me 04:40, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
Your name is missing from the listHi 7804j. I noticed that the talkpage template for OKA articles links to: Wikipedia:List of paid editing companies#Open Knowledge Association (OKA). Here, there are links to OKA editors, but your username (and function: founder) seem to be missing. I'm wondering why. Thanks. --Rosiestep (talk) 21:38, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
Markov Chain Edithttps://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Markov_chain&diff=prev&oldid=929227907. Was searching for a quote of from this article. You deleted it describing the edit as "Removed some of the duplicated content and restructured lead". This is pretty reckless editing. Please control yourself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Meef4H (talk • contribs) 18:14, May 10, 2024 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
Your guide for the translatorsAt [1] is very useful and I'd suggest wikifying it here, on en wiki. I am involved in translations myself, as a teacher who has his students translate stuff, and I have written some guides myself and I am aware of others, ex. User:TheLonelyPather/Essays/Guide for a translator. I am currently rewriting my guides for my students, but I noticed a section in your doc about recommended scripts. I recommend a few more - see User:Hanyangprofessor2/Instructions/1. In particular, some of the drafts by your translators I've noticed have links to disambigs that can be easily spotted with one of the gadgets. And I would recommend to add a recommendation or requirement to your section about linking related to using Template:Interlanguage links to link to articles that exist on other wikis, but not target ones. I recently started requiring my students to do this, see User:Hanyangprofessor2/Module/MoS (Assignment 6). Perhaps you'll find some other useful stuff in my guides (note they are right now being rewritten/renamed, so they are in flux - they are linked from User:Hanyangprofessor2 for now). Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:47, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
Feedback at meta Message added Mathglot (talk) 20:37, 29 July 2024 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template. Polish articles to translateI can give you a list here to review, mostly for Polish literature (with focus on sf/fantasy) themed articles of good quality that I and some others have recently written on pl wiki (I decided to write about Polish sf there as I feel more readers will care about this topic there than here, particularly as it mostly concerns works that have no translations to English yet and are unlikely to get them anytime soon - I mean, side note, almost nothing gets ever translated to English, compared to the other direction...). As I said, I feel that my time is better spent writing content, but I'd be happy to see this stuff in English and help c/e resulting translations. I'll start with two broader articles, one mine and one from another editor:
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 07:01, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
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