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Proposal to detail both lines and junction 118
A news video shows the Larisa station control panel as well as the layout of the lines associated with the train crash and rail junction 118, which played a key part in the accident. Consider enhancing the template to show both lines and junction 118.
Template might not be 100% accurate
I might be the only one who is saying this, but the template isn't 100% correct. In the sense that the template makes it look like IC62 (the passenger train) was going southwards instead of northwards. Also i think the accident occured much closer to the A1 motorway bridge, if not right under it. Also what are those "abandoned small station" icons for, am i missing something? Also i genuinely have no clue about a tunnel between Larissa and the site of the accident, and i have some good knowledge of the Athens-Thessaloniki railway line.
Hi @TrainSimFan, yes, the template is not 100%; more work is needed on it... not least as more information as to the sequence of events leading up to the crash comes to light. The north-south axis is from the Piraeus–Platy railway diagram... which has the same layout; I'm happy to change it round to better represent the trains direction. The A1 motorway crosses by bridge further down the line, the location of the bridge it crosses over the enclosed tunnel before curving round... ✠ Emperor of Byzantium ✠(talk)18:27, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The Emperor of Byzantium. Yes, kudos for the route map. I do not know about the facts of the above comments from TrainSimFan but I can tell they are sincere and in good faith.
Emperor, as the template author and guru, can you please center the 'navbar' & the 'title' output from the template? Because the template has a dark border, those two elements make the template look off-center in respect to the multiple image template above it when in the mobile/vertical view. Can you see that?
Good job. Carry on. Cheers! PS: I added the word 'flowchart' to the title. Please edit it, as needed, to comport. I probably should have written 'route map' instead. {{u|WikiWikiWayne}} {Talk}14:37, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The Emperor of Byzantium, i can tell you what needs improving since im accustomed to the route, even if its just watching YT vids. Some of the points mentioned:
The IC62 was going northbound when the map is facing southwards. Which will be confusing for people, even for me who i have decent route knowledge.
There's no railway tunnels between Larissa and the accident site, just roads passing over them. The nearest tunnels are the Tempi Valley tunnels which are north of the crash site, having opened in 2003 bypassing the old route.
There is a station south of the crash site called Evangelismos, but i don't know if its used or not (even if its there, surely there must be entrance/exit signals since it also has passing tracks).
The "closed small station" icons need to be removed, since, according to the BSicon guide, they are meant to represent closed smaller stations. Their presence adds to the confusion given that they make it seem that something was there, also making it seem that the crash site occured further than the A1 overpass (if it didn't actually happen inside the concrete cover).
I think that's basically it really, it needs a bit more detail but not too much to confuse the average reader. To be more accurate in relation to the site of the accident, images of the accident from news article could be a good place to start. ::::Eventually i imagine someone will do a 100% accurate drawing of the accident, since ive seen similar things in other Wikipedia articles. ALAS my drawing skills suck so idk who will do it.
Hi @TrainSimFan (sorry replying to the different threads at a time) if your happy to execute some of these changes your more then welcome to... its in need of being more detailed... but at the same time, what can be left out to stop it looking too cluttered? ✠ Emperor of Byzantium ✠(talk)18:33, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Well i can try even if im a bit inexperienced with this sort of thing... i cant guarantee it 100% though, i'll figure something out. TrainSimFan (talk) 18:38, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, TrainSimFan and The Emperor of Byzantium – We cannot use most news article photos as they are non-free content. We need to take our own, or find public domain stuff. Drawings are okay, if you draw them, or get a release. Carry on. PS: I posted on the routemap template talk page. Cheers! {{u|WikiWikiWayne}} {Talk}20:10, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Emperor of Byzantium – There is a tunnel under the roadway that the train was exiting when it hit the other train. It is easy to spot the crash site on a map, if you see the cross of the tracks and the roadway. Keep up the great work. Cheers! {{u|WikiWikiWayne}} {Talk}17:09, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Evangelismos station
Hi @ TrainSimFan, thanks for the edits; you beat me to the punch in changing the directions... just to clear Evangelismos railway station is long closed; we both know that but others won't; so just a disclaimer saying (disused) would help... a friendly feedback suggestion --✠ Emperor of Byzantium ✠(talk)19:02, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Before I mucked it up, it was linked to rws/Evangelismos which is a red-link, so I linked it to Metro/Evangelismos with an edit summary that I could be wrong, but I fixed the red-link. Putting it back to rws/Evangelismos will result in a red-link unless you create a Wikipedia article for Evangelismos railway station. The same nomenclature goes for rws/Tempi. No such article: Tempi railway station.Cheer! {{u|WikiWikiWayne}} {Talk}10:17, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I saw a red link in this template, poked around, poked and hoped with some test edits, and made it blue. The solution was to change "rws" to "Metro" within a nested template, then the nested template was able to resolve the proper destination link itself. Cheers! {{u|WikiWikiWayne}} {Talk} 19:17, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
The Emperor of Byzantium and TrainSimFan – And then... an editor changed it from the Metro station to the city, so I reverted their edit. Having fun! Cheers! {{u|WikiWikiWayne}} {Talk}19:46, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
Reping[reply]
I think we should rename "|title=" to something much more shorter as it takes up space. But what should we rename it to? IMO "Piraeus–Platy railway" is too long and doesnt 100% represent the whole line. Again, this is just my two cents on this. TrainSimFan (talk) 19:42, 4 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I didnt mean that, i meant the one where theres white text on a red background. Sorry if i wasnt really specific, its a bit difficult to explain. TrainSimFan (talk) 19:52, 4 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
TrainSimFan – Oopsie. My bad. Wrong title parameter. Sorry. I trimmed it by 3 letters in the interim. The current |title= does cover nearly 500 km of the line and is inclusive of the disaster site. I'm not stuck on it. Whatever works. Cheers! {{u|WikiWikiWayne}} {Talk}20:24, 4 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The template looks absolutley terrible. i understand the addition of Palaiofarsalos station but there was absolutely nothing wrong. I did the edits according to the details of the actual route, doesnt matter if the tunnels and the river bridge were mentioned or not, they are relevant in relation to the location of the accident and the surroundings. Not to mention the station at Tempi was on the old route (which doesnt appear in this template), which closed almost 20 years ago. The closest station north of the crash site is Rapsani.
The proper template was, to my knowledge, already there. Also, it apparently did not exist. If this is an error, feel free to revert it, and I will stand corrected. 23emr (talk) 17:02, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
