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Questions RE adding incorrect template data, chart bots
Hi, I came across an edit which added 2 singlechart templates with the wrong song name in the "song" parameter. Both were Canadian RPM charts: Top Singles (Canadatopsingles) and Dance (Canadadance) charts. Also, I was able to easily find the charts using the correct song title, using the bac-lac.gc.ca site.
1) Will adding the wrong song info cause any problems in these charts (now or in the future), or were these relatively harmless edits?
2) Also, I read in the MOS/Record charts documentation for the singlechart template macro that a bot would eventually be using the info in the template as well--would the wrong song title (or errors in any of the other template parameters) create a problem for the bot, and would it affect the bot's handling of the chart and/or chart data in any way?
@Big universe: In some cases, e.g. Australia, correct song and artist information is mandatory for the creation of a correct URL. Not listing an artist will also interfere with reference creation, and listing the wrong artist will create undesired automatic references. However, in most cases this is, at most, a cosmetic issue. A bot such as described in that MOS page is very unlikely to ever be created, and even if it will be created, I don't see how it could use the song/artist information to do anything useful. On the other hand, in at least one case in the past, UKChartStats, artist information which was only cosmetic to begin with, became mandatory when a website changed. Bottom line: if you see song/artist information which is wrong, correct it. If you see someone maliciously or unknowingly adding wrong data, I think a polite notice may be appropriate. Otherwise, it the correct references is created and the cosmetics are fine, it is not a big deal. --Muhandes (talk) 10:16, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
@Muhandes: Thanks for your reply. It was an IP editor who didn't have enough edits for me to tell whether these were good faith edits or not. So I reverted, planning to review and correct the info myself. Just wanted to know if lack of proper song title would be a problem. ...Actually, just noticed something on the singlechart template page ("full version" syntax box): "It is a good practice to always include "song=" and "artist=", even though some uses of the template do not require them. This makes it easier to modify the template in the future if there is a change in the archives referenced by the template." So it looks like I should go ahead and correct the song title anyway. Good to know. Thanks! Big universe (talk) 05:25, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
@Big universe: just to say, I've noticed you've changed some Canadian certifications from manual entries to entries that use the template... there's no need to do this if the manual entries work OK. I actually don't like using the template for Canadian entries, and I've explained why on another page – I'd like to get it changed. Richard3120 (talk) 14:33, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
@Richard3120: Thanks for the heads up. Ironically, I don't normally change from manual entries to template, and in fact I've been adding entries manually. But I discovered that the project "strongly encourage(s)" the use of the singlechart template, so I replaced a few manual entries I had added earlier with singlechart templates, to test them (since I've not used them before). They worked, and didn't output "Issue: xxxx" in the ref, as you mentioned in your response in the section above. Looked in this page's archives but couldn't find your discussion about Canadian templates, sorry--should I revert back to the manual entries I had added? Big universe (talk) 05:25, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
@Big universe: No, it's okay, I just meant that there was no pressing need to do this right away. I just wanted to sort out the "issue" problem first before I start using the template for all Canadian chart entries. For an example of what I'm talking about, look at the outputs in the references section for the Monica version of "Angel of Mine", which uses the template for the Canadian RPM chart positions. Richard3120 (talk) 14:06, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
@Richard3120: Hmm, that's odd. The RPM entries you indicated on "Angel of Mine" were the same entries that I thought I'd reverted--because those are the edits that I was referring to when I started this thread.
...Okay, I experimented a bit with the Canadian RPM templates in the text editor for that article. Here are some clues RE the Canadian chart ref output errors.
1) Deleting the "chartid" parameter gives the following error: ERROR: MUST PROVIDE DATE FOR CANADIAN ADULT CONTEMPORARY CHART. (Note: no actual date parameter was even included in the chart template entry--other than accessdate, which is optional. Pretty sure, though, that the Canadian RPM charts only need chartid, not date. So this error is itself erroneous.) It seems that for the Canadian charts, the template thinks that the chartid parameter is actually a date parameter.
2) To test this, removing the "date" parameter (which is actually present) in the Scottish chart a few entries down returns a similar message, i.e. "date is required". So in the Scottish chart macro, the date is correctly recognized as a date, though not added to the ref per the template documentation.
3) Assuming that the template parses the chartid parameter as a date of some sort, the ref output error in the Canadian refs has the form, "Chart name: date", where "date" = "chartid". However, as just stated, according to the template documentation, the info in the "date" parameter isn't normally displayed in the ref, much less appended to the chart name. But one chart template that does have a similar ref output format is the one for the Ireland chart (but not not Ireland2, 3, or 4), where the ref output format is "Chart name: Week, Year"; so for example the output would be: "Chart Track: Week 22, 2018" Irish Singles Chart. Retrieved March 20, 2019.
4) So perhaps the Canadian RPM chart template macros were built using the Ireland (or similar) macro as a template. The date may have been intended to be included in the ref output, since some of the older RPM charts don't always have dates printed on them; if so, the error message and template documentation would need to be updated to specify both chartid and date requirements. And in the macro, the chartid would need to be unlinked as a "date", and the actual date would instead be added to the chart name in the ref output. In any case, the link in the ref is functional as long as the chartid is present; but it appears that, somewhere in the code, the chartid is being defined as a date, and then appended to the chart name in the ref output.
You may be over-complicating things. The reason is less important, but right now the display is Top RPM Adult Contemporary: Issue chartid. If you think this is inappropriate, form consensus as to what should be displayed and I'll implement it. --Muhandes (talk) 11:35, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
@Muhandes: Hi Muhandes; sorry, but I was just trying to help Richard3120 troubleshoot the problem that he was concerned about, based on some observations I'd made while testing out the template. Richard3120 had said he'd prefer for the macro for the RPM charts to not be used until the chartID issue is sorted, and that he'd discussed this elsewhere. I assumed therefore that it was already agreed that there's a problem that needed sorting. Based on what you've just said, I'm not so sure that's the case.
I'm not trying to make more work for you, Muhandes; I can see that you've put a lot of time and effort into this project already and you should probably be sainted for it. Since you guys have a lot more experience with the template than I do, you two (and others) should probably be the ones discussing and making the decisions on this. So I'll leave it up to you. But thanks for all your hard work! Big universe (talk) 19:56, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
Much of the prose at Self Control (Raf song) talks about German chart success circa 1984. I think those should match what our chart table shows, and would expect all pre-1990 German references in the prose (and year-end and sales charts) to now say "West Germany". But then we have article series with names like List of number-one hits of 1984 (Germany) included in this song's See also section. Should those be updated too? Are there other similarly titled articles that need to be updated? What were the number-one hits of 1984 in East Germany? Is it OK if the prose doesn't match the chart? I get that the country was technically called "West Germany" at that time, but could that be understood to be "Germany", especially for non-political articles? Where does this issue fall on the WP:PRECISION scale? Hoof Hearted (talk) 14:01, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
Another point: should songs that charted before and after October 3, 1990 (such as "Tom's Diner") be shown with peaks in both West Germany and Germany? I fear the following table would be viewed as a mistake. Hoof Hearted (talk) 17:51, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
Unless the 1984 list was intended to include the GDR (which I doubt), the page title and references in articles should use "West Germany" or "Federal Republic of Germany". The German page title cited should also be more precise ("Bundesrepublik Deutschland"). Jmar67 (talk) 13:38, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
It's unclear to me if GfK Entertainment Charts (our German source for this template) makes a distinction between GDR and FRG. I get the impression that they treat West Germany as equivalent to Germany. Is it completely wrong to think of West Germany as "part of Germany"? If someone described a company as the "largest in Germany in 1984", I would interpret that to include both East and West Germany. Hoof Hearted (talk) 15:32, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
It seems this discussion has fizzled out without a clear change in consensus. In the interest of emptying the missing parameter and obsolete "Germany" parameter categories, I will continue designating pre-October 1990 uses of this template as West Germany. This is technically correct and still identifies articles that may be changed (to "Germany") in the future. However, I do not have plans to change any prose from "German(y)" to "West German(y)", nor rename any articles at this time. I only want to tackle the template for now. Hoof Hearted (talk) 19:32, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
I have no strong opinion about it either. But I will point out that the charts prior to September 1977, that have now become accepted in retrospect as the de facto official German charts of the time, were those published by Musikmarkt. These were also published in Billboard magazine in their "Hits of the World" chart section, and the country and the charts are described as "West Germany". Richard3120 (talk) 14:06, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
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@Muhandes: it looks like the default refnames for Germany2 and West Germany were incorrectly named. Instead of ac_{{{1|}}}_{{{artist|}}} it should be sc_{{strip whitespace|{{{1|}}}}}_{{{artist|}}} like all the rest (prefix typo and add strip whitespace). I'm trying to fix a named reference at Express Yourself (Madonna song). Hoof Hearted (talk) 13:45, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
Could you please add secure URLs (https) to all entries that use "www.chart-track.co.uk" (Ireland) and "www.ifpi.fi" (Finland) in both the album and single templates? For some reason, non-secure Chart-Track links are no longer working.
Regarding special characters in Hung Medien links, I see there was a similar discussion in the album chart template talk page a few weeks ago. Is there not a way to have the template replace such characters? Or do we really have to use those ugly encondings rather than the actual characters?
There seems to be something wrong with Slovak Radio Top 100 archives. Whenever I try to access any archived chart from before 2016 here, I get an error message saying "This chart is not processed during the selected period." Just thought you should know. Sadly I'm afraid there's not much to do about it. snapsnap(talk)22:55, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
@SnapSnap: The more I work on this template (which I did not author) the more I want to rewrite it from scratch. Every region's code was done separately with no code reuse, so every correction needs to be applied gazillion times. Hopefully I'll have time to look at it this weekend. --Muhandes (talk) 09:24, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
Actually, adding https is easy, I went ahead and did that. The other issue should be resolved with {{Urlencode}}. It wont necessarily look better. --Muhandes (talk) 09:35, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
@SnapSnap: Regarding special characters with Hung Medien links, I found this and this two and a half years ago. @De728631 and Frietjes: perhaps you could have addressed this request in a better way than I did. I suppose I could learn how all this works, but you seem to already be familiar. --Muhandes (talk) 19:01, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
@Muhandes: For Slovak Radio, Hitparadask has 200635 to 201634 not 44. 201634 brings up an errorpage saying albums (which is wrong), but clicking on the button again gives the correct song chart. Hitparadask also has Slovak digital from 201426 to 201634, not 44. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 15:56, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
Hello. I just found out that GFK Chart Track is shutting down as of the end of July. This will affect the Irish Chart for albums and singles. I'm currently trying to archive all the weeks from 2000-2016 for all of the charts before it shuts down. However, " The Shutdown of the website will not affect any other service provided by GfK Entertainment." --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 23:11, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
Update. Found out today that all the chart archives are gone. Before they were deleted, I only got to do the 2000 + 2001 weeks for the top 75 singles and top 75 albums :( --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 00:48, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
Irishcharts.ie website no longer online
The Irishcharts.ie website has been down for some days now and shows no sign of coming back. It's been offline before, but only briefly... this time it looks more permanent. This is a big headache, because not only was it the only source of Irish single charts before 2000, it was also the only remaining site with any Irish certifications listed (from 2005 to 2013). Richard3120 (talk) 22:08, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
@MrLinkinPark333: well, that's something at least. I don't know what IRMA is doing, they seem to have washed their hands of all responsibility of the Irish charts since handing over the compilation of it to the OCC a couple of years ago... they removed the certifications from their website a few years ago, their archive at irishcharts.ie has now gone, and they've even deleted their Twitter account (the IRMA website just shows the OCC's tweets now). I suppose we could hope that they are planning a major revamp to include all chart archives and a certifications database on their website, but I'm not holding my breath... Richard3120 (talk) 23:28, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
@MrLinkinPark333: I may do that, but I would assume that GfK Entertainment still own the rights to the Irish charts up until the end of 2016 (they still have them on their website), so the OCC may have nothing to do with it... it'll be in the hands of IRMA. Whatever the situation, it means that right now there are no archives at all of any chart positions before 2000, which is a pain in the backside, to put it mildly. And even if an updated chart archive does eventually appear, we will have to hope that it is on the existing irishcharts.ie website and not on IRMA's website or elsewhere, because then the Ireland2 parameter in this template becomes completely redundant and every article that uses it will have to be transferred over to the new location with a new Ireland5 parameter. I'm going to let IndianBio and Ss112 know about this situation, as it may affect some of the song articles that they have worked on in the past. Richard3120 (talk) 19:11, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
@Richard3120 and MrLinkinPark333: The irishcharts.ie website is back online, but whenever I click on a reference linking to this site, I get a 500 Internal Service error. I'm not sure what this signifies, but I thought I should let you know. Nowmusicfan2816 (talk) 22:48, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
@Nowmusicfan2816: Awesome!. Though I just found out that chart-track.co.uk is closing as of the end of this month. However "The Shutdown of the website will not affect any other service provided by GfK Entertainment.". Could you provide an example of issues with the irishcharts.ie website? --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 22:56, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
@Nowmusicfan2816: I figured out why it's not working. The link should be this instead of that. The current redirect points to [title]=Come+with+Me and the [title] part needs to be removed in order to make it work. @Muhandes: Could the link be updated to prevent future errors? Thanks! --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 23:09, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
@MrLinkinPark333:@Nowmusicfan2816: So looking at that message on the GfK Chart Track website, does this mean that IRMA are going to put all the archive chart information on their own website? Because at the moment it only goes back to November 2014... This is an issue because irishcharts.ie has no album chart information at all. Richard3120 (talk) 23:13, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
@Richard3120: I'm not sure. It's also an issue because I just spent several weeks adding Irish Dance positions to 100+ articles, so we'll no longer be able to view those positions either. We'll just have to see what happens over the next few weeks. Nowmusicfan2816 (talk) 23:28, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
Good idea, but I'm not sure I'm going to have time to help with that, if it has to be done in the next two weeks. Hopefully the artist albums can be done next, then the compilations and specialist charts – this is probably the order of most importance. Richard3120 (talk) 23:52, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
@Richard3120: Any preference of archive site? So far, Archive.is has most of 2000 top 50 singles in comparison to archive.org. Would it make a difference when we add the archives to the links? Both tend to have server problems for me. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 23:58, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
The Wayback Machine at archive.org tends to be preferred by most editors, and at one point in the past archive.is was blacklisted because allegedly it had problems with viruses, although that blacklisting has now been reversed. But I think it shouldn't be a problem whichever is used – if one site already has most of the pages archived, it doesn't make sense to waste time archiving them again via a different archiving website. Richard3120 (talk) 00:32, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
They were both neck and neck with the 2000 top 75 ones. So I might as well check both and archive what's missing from each. If archive.org is most preferable, then we could use these links for wikipedia and anyone else can use archive.is if for whatever reason they can't access the archive.org version. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 00:57, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
:-( Nothing that can be done then, apart from contacting IRMA and asking if the archive charts will appear on their website at some point, and hope that they reply. Richard3120 (talk) 17:16, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
Billboard artist search chart archives gone
Editors may have noticed that over the last few days Billboard's chart archive search by artist has disappeared. This is troublesome, as it's this search function that this template uses for Billboard charts, which means that none of the song articles that use the {{single chart}} template for Billboard charts work at present. There's a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Record charts#Billboard online archives gone? which editors may want to contribute to. Thank you. Richard3120 (talk) 13:59, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
New source for Euro, Portugal, and Luxembourg Digital Songs; removal of broken citations for European and Brazilian Hot 100
I've made a new version of the template in the sandbox where I've changed the source for Portugal Digital Songs, Luxembourg Digital Songs and Euro Digital Songs since they're no longer included in the normal billboard chart history. Instead they use the BillboardBiz search function. I've also removed the broken citations for European Hot 100 Singles and Brasil Hot 100 Singles since they're not included in the chart history either and we haven't been able to find a source with the complete peak positions list as would be required to systematically add it using the template. The reason the citations are removed instead of keeping the broken one is to make clear to readers that this statement currently isn't verifiable. I've also added a maintenance category Category:Singlechart without citation for these cases so a source can manually be added where there is an archived version of the chart. For previous discussion about this edit see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Songs#Source for chart rankings of international billboard charts. If no one objects to this in the coming few days I will add an edit request to sync implement these changes. -- Trialpears (talk) 00:02, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
@Trialpears: You completely removed the sources for Billboardeuropeanhot100 and Billboardbrasilhot100 and I don't think this is acceptable. In order to keep the discussion in one place, I suggest we don't discuss it here and instead I will make a comment at the main discussion place and see what other editors think. --Muhandes (talk) 07:29, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
I tried to put in the Australian chart entry for A Message to You, Rudy. Week 10 of 1980 means it was Kent Music Report - not ARIA - but the template doesn't have a way of entering that.
I looked at the source code and balked at that parser functions guacamole. How easy or hard is it to add Kent as a chart source? Given Kent's chart was the accepted chart at the time - David Gerard (talk) 13:07, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
@David Gerard: looking at the above-mentioned guacamole I don't see direct support for Kent Music Report as source either. It's no big deal to use direct sourcing, see what I did at A Message to You, Rudy. If you still find it useful to add it to the template, and you intend to use it, I can do that over the next weekend. I would need more details as to how you expect the referencing to be done since I don't really know the source. --Muhandes (talk) 14:56, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
The sources at the time were Kent's weekly newsletters, although obviously almost nobody has these in 2019. The major source now for pre-ARIA charts is his Australian Chart books, in particular Australian Chart Book 1970-1992, and the template would be similar to the one Muhandes sorted out for us a few months ago using Dean Scapolo's chart book for New Zealand.
The British Library in the UK has Kent's Australian Chart books, and I use them from time to time when I am back in London. However, if you need to check a chart position or page number in the book, the Australian editor Nqr9 has a copy and is usually very obliging if you ask politely for the information, so a template based on the NZ one would work. Richard3120 (talk) 17:16, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
Hello. I would like to know how to create a template for Argentina's official singles chart, the BillboardArgentina Hot 100. Billboard Argentina's website does not count with artist pages that show peak positions yet, so in order to access a song's chart position, it is required to introduce the date of the chart at the end of the chart's link (See example). Billboard.com does show songs' peaks positions but only if the song has charted on any other Billboard chart. For example, the website shows the peak position for Lali's "Lindo Pero Bruto" on the Argentina Hot 100 because it charted on the Latin Pop Songs chart, but it does not show any other Lali's peak position because none of them have not charted on any other Billboard chart (Example). Would it be possible to create a template to use in songs articles by using any of the two methods I just mentioned? --Swe97 (talk) 22:04, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
Swe97, https://www.billboard.com/biz/search/charts looks like it's supposed to have it, but it seems like it's not working at the moment. There has been a lot of billboard related issues recently so there's quite a good chance this is just a temporary problem. If it start working in the future I've made a version in the sandbox that supports it. --Trialpears (talk) 22:38, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
Hello. I was wondering if anyone wanted to help clean up Category:Singlechart with dead link. This is primarily composed of Billboard dead links per previous discussions. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 22:59, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
It is entirely composed of pages using European Hot 100 or Brasil Hot 100 because we don't have a good source that works for all of them. The way to go about it would be adding a custom citation using an archived page such as this (found by Muhandes). It seems like most of the brasilian ones should be verifiable through that, but from what I know we aren't as lucky with the European ones. Also I haven't actually added an option to override the dead link yet, but will do so shortly in case someone actually wants to work on it. --Trialpears (talk) 23:27, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
Hello. Thought I let you all know that I'm working through the category Singlechart used with missing parameters (760). This is mostly populated with missing songid for Germany and some missing years/weeks for Slovakia and Czech. I'm working through Slovakia/Czech as they are easier to do. If anyone else wants to work through this category as well, feel free to :) --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 23:34, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
You're doing well – I did about a thousand of them, but I'm in the middle of both applying for jobs and attending interviews, and moving house, so I haven't been able to do much on this lately. Richard3120 (talk) 23:38, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
That's funny because I think it's just the opposite - it's much easier for me to fix the German charts. I'm happy to leave the Czech/Slovakian charts to you guys! Hoof Hearted (talk) 14:42, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
I suspect they were bogus. You may have noticed that once you have a chart you can click an author and see all the singles that charted. At least in one of those cases I can be positive it never charted. --Muhandes (talk) 13:04, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
Template:BillboardURL is currently being merged with Template:BillboardURLbyName and this template is its only usage is in this template where it was used for Brasil Hot 100 Airplay and European Hot 100 Singles. We do currently not have any source for these charts and they were recently deprecated, but this last working citation was decided to be kept per WP:KDL. My suggestion then for removing the last few uses for billboardURL would simply be substituting it into this template. This wouldn't change the output and allow billboardURL to be redirected and the merger completed. --Trialpears (talk) 16:57, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
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Since no one has objected in a couple day I'll activate an edit request. The sandbox revision Old revision of 909200477 contain, apart from what's described above also the citation override option for charts with deadlinks so they can manually be fixed. This is discussed farther down the talkpage. --Trialpears (talk) 20:41, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
Muhandes Done. I missed the edit in the main page only looking for new edits in the sandbox and didn't see that it broke anything since kent has no testcases leading to the removal. Sorry. For the citation override I feel like it's necessary if we're going to fix the dead links, but I can see that now is too early. Thanks for spotting my mess. --Trialpears (talk) 13:26, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
Hello. I've noticed that the Bubbling under hot 100 charts are not there in the chart search from 1959 to 1985. Billboard only has the charts from when they were revived in 1992. In the chart search, there's a note that says "Note: For years prior to 1983, we have limited data." --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 19:21, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
Yes, I would imagine that's very much the case – Nielsen only started collecting actual sales data in 1991, so I would guess that any Bubbling Under charts before this date were heavily based on radio airplay and additions, and the further back you go, the harder it was to collect this data from across the country. Richard3120 (talk) 19:35, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
musicline instances outside of the single chart
Hello again. As Musicline is being replaced with offiziellecharts.de, I should note that there are numerous instances of musicline cited outside of the single chart, and that a cleanup should also be performed. Again, this is a general note. I think this should be left after the singlechart is dealt with. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 23:03, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
If I understand correctly, this is not a url change, the entire website structure changed. This would require painstaking manual work. --Muhandes (talk) 11:50, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
Trialpears, Yes, this is a bot job because charts.org.nz is dead, links may now have |archive-url= that need remove. And possibility some links didn't make the transition in those cases (404) |archive-url= should be added. Post request at WP:URLREQ, thanks. -- GreenC03:45, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
Hello. I've noticed that there are usages for chartarchive.org and chartstats.com outside of the singlechart template usage. I'm pretty sure that the chart archive site should be removed cause Category:Singlechart usages for UKchartarchive was removed, but not 100% sure about the chartstats one. I persume it was the same link before it got redirected to the Official Charts website. Should a cleanup of these instances be done? If so, I can do the chartarchive ones as the chartstats one are really large. This is a general inquiry--MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 23:00, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
@MrLinkinPark333: chartstats used to be an older version of chartarchive and in 2012 or 2013 it became a simple redirect to chartarchive. This worked until some time in 2015. This means that in essence, chartstats and chartarchive are the same. In fact, the bot approval was for both chartarchive and chartstats. I am uncertain why the bot did not to change the |publisher= field while doing it. --Muhandes (talk) 12:02, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
This is just a repeat of something I posted in the album chart template talk page since it affects the single chart as well - the urls for Billboard chart appear to have changed, for example the old Billboard 200 url takes you to the Hot 100. The new url for Billboard 200 ends in TLP. The changes seem to affect all the urls, the chart names have all been given three-letter identifiers. Hzh (talk) 01:14, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
Hello. I would like to know how to create a template for Argentina's official singles chart, the BillboardArgentina Hot 100. Billboard Argentina's website does not count with artist pages that show peak positions yet, so in order to access a song's chart position, it is required to introduce the date of the chart at the end of the chart's link (See example). Billboard.com does show songs' peaks positions but only if the song has charted on any other Billboard chart. For example, the website shows the peak position for Lali's "Lindo Pero Bruto" on the Argentina Hot 100 because it charted on the Latin Pop Songs chart, but it does not show any other Lali's peak position because none of them have not charted on any other Billboard chart (Example). Would it be possible to create a template to use in songs articles by using any of the two methods I just mentioned? --Swe97 (talk) 22:04, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
Swe97, https://www.billboard.com/biz/search/charts looks like it's supposed to have it, but it seems like it's not working at the moment. There has been a lot of billboard related issues recently so there's quite a good chance this is just a temporary problem. If it start working in the future I've made a version in the sandbox that supports it. --Trialpears (talk) 22:38, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
Hello Trialpears! I'm sorry to bring this back, but Billboard has updated its website and it now shows Argentina Hot 100's peaks on artists pages (See example). Would it be possible to create a template for the chart like most Billboard charts have already? The update also shows the Mexico Airplay chart and others, but I am more concerned about Argentina's chart. What do you say? --Swe97 (talk) 23:29, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
Swe97, will take a look at it later this week, there are probably some other charts that need updating as well if there has been yet another update to the billboard website. ‑‑Trialpears (talk) 23:52, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
I've taken a look at the URLs again and oh god this is a lot of dead links. The chart history links were changed and I've gone ahead and fixed them. I've also sandboxed a version with the Argentina link changed to chart history, but will let it stand here for a day or two so the others actively watching this page can take a look if they want. There are still a few broken charts. ‑‑Trialpears (talk) 23:06, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
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Billboard Biz search has now been replaced with Billboard chart search. I have implemented this change in the sandbox and would like it synced. The affected charts are Euro Digital Songs, Portugal Digital Songs, Luxembourg Digital Songs and European Hot 100 (which we haven't had a source for in a while). I would also like to get Argentina Hot 100 added as discussed further down on this talk page but if you don't feel comfortable adding it just remove it before syncing. --Trialpears (talk) 20:12, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
@Trialpears: The chart search does mention European Hot 100 in the list of charts, but for some reason they're linked to the year end charts and don't work. Maybe they'll eventually be active? As for the Euro, Portugal and Luxembourg songs, there are sales charts for all three in the list of charts, but not the actual main chart (unless Euro Digital Tracks is the same as Euro Digital Songs?). --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 19:59, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
MrLinkinPark333, I have zero knowledge about charts and am just a template editor who tought this would be a fun task. I see data for all charts mentioned and they don't seem to be year end charts since they have multiple listings for consecutive weeks. I'm not sure what the relation ship between Euro Digital Tracks and Euro Digital Songs is, but it gives data consistent with what is reported in the articles based on a few spot checks. --Trialpears (talk) 23:20, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
Not done for now: Looks like stuff isn't quite working right according to MLP. If you have a partial change that can be synced while you work on the other, please let me know. Izno (talk) 18:02, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
I've been looking at this several times in the last week and it has behaved differently every time. This shouldn't be done before billboard has stopped messing around with the feature. Regarding the year end thing: It seems to not be there anymore and it has always been giving the same information as our articles. --Trialpears (talk) 18:24, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
MarioSoulTruthFan Doesn't look like it! The yearend thing isn't happening anymore either so I think everything could be implemented now including Euro Hot 100. They're however going to put a paywall on it eventually, but we don't have any better options. --Trialpears (talk) 18:48, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
I actually thought it was supposed to be moved to the artists' Chart History like Hot 100 as when the template is used it appears all the songs with respective weeks four/five times for every week it appeared, peak and re-peak. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 10:57, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
MarioSoulTruthFan, Sorry, I thought I replied to this but apparently not. That wasn't the case when I started this process, but I will convert to it now, especially since the soft pay wall makes it hard to use. --Trialpears (talk) 07:44, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
@Trialpears: I had no idea of that, just to let you know that some charts had their name changed such as "Portugal Digital Songs → Portugal Digital Songs Sales, the same aplies to Luxemburg and to other single sales charts regarding every country from Ausralia to Switzerland. I don't think they will put the artists peaks, on their chart history, behind a paywall. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 23:25, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
@Trialpears: I'm afraid I was away for some time and didn't follow the discussion. Can you please point out a section of the sandbox which demonstrates these changes? I'm assuming there is consensus here, but I'll also let @MarioSoulTruthFan, MrLinkinPark333, and Richard3120: voice their opinion on the necessity of these changes, and on whether we reached a stable state. --Muhandes (talk) 19:01, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
Muhandes Moving from chart search to chart history where possible to avoid the paywall has been discussed. Changing the names to comply to the names used by Billboard was mentioned by Mario and I agree with it. Adding subscription needed and changing the Euro Digial Songs label has not been discussed, but I would expect it to be quite uncontroversial. As this include things. For testcases see #Luxembourg, Portugal, and Euro Digital Song Sales, for the major changes. The subscription needed addition are shown in #Argentina and #Brasil and European Hot 100 --Trialpears (talk) 20:49, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
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Please sync with the sandbox per discussion above. Since noone has complained and Mario has supported I see no problems with consensus. --Trialpears (talk) 13:05, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
Muhandes, I started out using {{Subscription required}} but substituted it to avoid categorisation since I thought the category was used to consolidate the template into citation templates in which case adding a ton of extra irrelevant items would be counterproductive. Since this doesn't seem to be the case in reality after some more investigation I've replaced them with {{Subscription required}}. --Trialpears (talk) 18:52, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
@Trialpears: Have you wondered regarding adding other digital charts such as Greece? Btw what's the difference between Euro Digtal Tracks and Euro Digital Songs Sales?
I'm really not a chart guy and can't actually answer whether more charts should be added or what the difference between the songs and tracks charts are. I tried looking into the later during the chart search remake when the tracks charts usually gave no results. If you have any suggestions for more features/charts/changes I would gladly try to implement them. --Trialpears (talk) 16:00, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
After the latest of the billboards many URL changes it seems like canada hot 100 disappeared from the chart history. Am I just blind or is it indeed broken? Are there any other sources if not? ‑‑Trialpears (talk) 21:03, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
Done a couple days ago, didn't respond completely after making the edit since I wanted to do some extra checks for some other charts at the same time which I didn't have time to complete at the time. ‑‑Trialpears (talk) 22:43, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
Date formatting?
The technical aspects of templates are not in my wheelhouse. Would it be possible to update the template so that dates are presented consistent with other dates in the article (e.g. so that it honors tags like {{Use dmy dates}}) as do other templates like {{Cite web}}? Currently it seems this template displays dates in whatever format they're entered, which can cause inconsistency in how they're displayed. B.Rossow · talk16:51, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
Brossow, should definitely be implemented, but I'm not gonna do it right now. I'll make a todo list for the template and add it there, but don't expect it to happen especially quickly. ‑‑Trialpears (talk) 10:08, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
European Hot 100 Singles
Hello. I've noticed that there are some artists that have European Hot 100 singles charts while others don't. There should be a whole lot more artists based on template but a lot of them don't exist. I'm saving what I can see behind the paywall and archiving the individual artist page for that chart. Artists that do have them in their individual artist page are:
MrLinkinPark333, this is very interesting. I've been checking a few artists and found a few more with Euro Hot 100 in their chart history, but most still don't. Hopefully their just taking their time rolling it out and we can change to the non pay wall version. I don't anything can be done here for now though. ‑‑Trialpears (talk) 09:46, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
As Chart Track is no longer working, both Ireland and Irish templates require to be switched to Ireland2, 3 or 4. The Irish template is much smaller than the Ireland template (500+ vs 2300+). I was wondering if anyone would like to help clear these out. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 00:37, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
Seems like Ireland1 used week and year to get the citation, this isn't used by any of the others so a straight change over won't be possible. Ireland4 also use a date, so that should be convertable, the problem being that Ireland4 only has archives from June 2017. Luckily most uses have extra information so most of them should be able to be converted into Ireland2 or Ireland3, however due to different formatting at different sites this may not work perfectly. I think the best option would be using Ireland4 for post June 2017 which should be able to convert 100% of the time. If that isn't possible use Ireland2 which since it's a search function should deal with partial matches or excess information resulting in very few losses and then finally if all else fail due to insufficient information tag it for manual conversion. Is there some better option here or should I go ahead with this plan? ‑‑Trialpears (talk) 22:59, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
@MrLinkinPark333: Sorry for not getting back to you sooner, but I'll periodically search through Category:Singlechart usages for Ireland and try to convert the Ireland template to Ireland2 and Ireland3 for songs that charted between 2000 and 2005—maybe later if I feel like it. I'm responsible for adding positions 31–50 to several articles for these years (and converting Ireland2 to Ireland, whoops), so the Ireland3 template should fix that since the discographies are still up on irish-charts.com (here's an example: [1]; the positions here match those on irishcharts.ie). I'm just praying they don't remove the discographies since we can't access the chart weeks. Nowmusicfan2816 come to my window03:49, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
Stuff on Irish-charts.com but not on irishcharts.ie
Hello. Today I've found two chart peaks on Irish-charts.com but they don't exist on irishcharts.ie. I've checked the artists as well and they don't come up. They are 7/11 (song) and 1234 (Feist song). Does irishcharts.ie have a limit to their archive? It shouldn't be considering these two songs are recent than other ones. Thanks! --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 18:43, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
Italy FIMI urls
Hello again. The URL for ItalyFIMI template has changed. It should go from this to that. Any specific year/week charts should be like thisas well. While I do see there are parameters for year / week, the chartid doesn't go anywhere. Luckily there's only a handful of these template citations but this isn't in the overall single chart template. Also, these are not the same as Italy/Italian as they go to italian-charts.com --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 00:52, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
So everything is good since you can site that page using {{singlechart|Portugal|3|artist=Coldplay|song=Adventure Of A Lifetime}}? I'll add it to the documentation. ‑‑Trialpears (talk) 10:22, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
Could you please add the Swiss Romandy charts? The website is lescharts.ch (operated by Hung Medien), the URLs are formed in the same manner as on lescharts.com.
It isn't actually "Media Control Romandy", as in "the Romandy affiliate of Media Control"... But Ultratop charts look like this, so I think it's okay.
--Moscow Connection (talk) 16:31, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
Thank you very much once again! (I see now. The category was red simply because it didn't exist. I thought that was because the {{single chart}} template detected an unsupported value.) --Moscow Connection (talk) 15:07, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
Cleanup of Chartstats.com
Hello again. Per [[3]], I was wondering if anyone wanted to help with this cleanup. As we were previously cleaning on chartarchive/chartstats from single chart before, there's still 2000+ instances of Chartstats that needs to be moved to the apporiate link at Officialcharts manually. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 20:10, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
@Muhandes: Yep. I've been working on them as well. Once these are gone in the single chart template, these url ones need to go too. I know it'll be easier to wipe out the template ones first :) --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 18:58, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
Missing from Irish-charts.com but on irishcharts.ie
Could an authorised personnel add a single chart for Oricon aka the official music chart of Japan? The URL is https://www.oricon.co.jp/rank/js/w/yyyy-mm-dd/ where the parameter yyyy-mm-dd (i.e. 2013-09-02 for the weekly chart dated 2 September 2013) is required. Thanks so much in advance, HĐ (talk) 13:18, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
HĐ, I can take care of the technical part; I just want a second opinion on whether there's consensus for including it. Shouldn't be a problem since it's listed at WP:GOODCHARTS, but better to ask anyway. ‑‑Trialpears (talk) 13:41, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
Taking another look at the source it doesn't seem to give peak positions, just the position that week. I may be missing something though; google translate is far from perfect. Without the peek position being given all we can verify is that the peek is that or higher. I think adding it would be a net positive, but of there is a source with peek data that would be preferable. ‑‑Trialpears (talk) 10:02, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
The peak position is one click away, just click on the single you want. If you want the peak position clearly listed on the destination page, you'll need to do something like what is done for Offiziellecharts.de. You'll need an "artist ID" and a "single ID". But I think that's too complicated and unnecessary. Usually a single's debut position is the highest it ever gets. (Same is true for albums and DVDs/Blu-rays.) --Moscow Connection (talk) 02:49, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
Here's an example: • https://www.oricon.co.jp/prof/664685/products/1260415/1/ • https://www.oricon.co.jp/prof/"artist ID"/products/"single ID"/1/. You can do it like this, yes. But the https://www.oricon.co.jp/rank/js/w/yyyy-mm-dd/ format is more user-friendly and in 99.99% of cases will give you the same number. (I mean, if you just link the first week, it will give you the same number as the single's page.) --Moscow Connection (talk) 03:01, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
While implementing this I saw this google translated banner:
[About past rankings] Starting January 31, 2020, the ORICON NEWS site's single and album rankings will include weekly and annual rankings for the past five years (260 weeks per week). . Similarly, the annual ranking of indie singles / albums and DVDs will be limited to the past 5 years. Thank you for your understanding.[About past rankings] Starting January 31, 2020, the ORICON NEWS site's single and album rankings will include weekly and annual rankings for the past five years (260 weeks per week). . Similarly, the annual ranking of indie singles / albums and DVDs will be limited to the past 5 years. Thank you for your understanding.
I'm thinking about doing the inevitable major rewrite. This template duplicate a lot of code making it difficult to work with, creates inconsistencies and possibly unnoticed errors and to solve this I suggest moving most of the content to subtemplates. The main template would look something like this:
If this was implemented it would be a lot easier to implement structural changes to the citation such as changing date formatting depending on {{use dmy}} and {{use mdy}}, combining the tracking categories for different chart aliases and adding archiving support if so wanted. It would also make it easier to add new charts since you don't have to worry about the code duplication and slightly easier to modify existing transclusions since you don't have to deal with irrelevant code. While this will require a lot of effort the history of this template is likely to be long and these changes should be worth the investment quite quickly given the large amount of changes. So, should I be working on implementing this system or do you have any other suggestions for how to deal with this code duplication? Pining Muhandes since they mentioned wanting to do something similar a while ago. ‑‑Trialpears (talk) 09:44, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
@Trialpears: Indeed rewriting this has been something I've been looking to do, and if you have the time I think it's worth the effort. I already did something like this in {{certification Table Entry}} and I think it works well. Some points to consider. Please consider using {{cite web}}, I think it makes the references much more standard. Also consider automatically checking the required parameters for each chart. Let me know if you need any assistance. --Muhandes (talk) 11:27, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for your advise! I will modify my plan accordingly and use cite web. Another benefit of using {{cite web}} is that it would also fix the date format issue as well. ‑‑Trialpears (talk) 19:58, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
@Trialpears: I know nothing about coding, so I can't be of much help here, but the automatic parameter checking sounds like a good idea to me as well, so that it's easy to spot errors. Would the subtemplates be for individual countries, so that if a website like Billboard or the OCC or Offizielle Deutsche Charts change their web addresses, for example, it would be easier to go in and make changes there on their individual subtemplates, rather than trying to search through the whole template? Richard3120 (talk) 21:20, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
Richard3120, automatic parameter checking would be huge, especially after seeing just how lacking our current checks are. I think it would be possible to make it fully automatic using some lua magic ensuring that all transclusions with missing parameters are caught in the tracking category. The plan would be to have subtemplates for specific parts of the template, one for categorization and error tracking, one for keeping the links and one for listing chart names being the big ones. This would keep all the refname, accessdate, refgroup, publish date, chart note and other code used for all citations in one place instead of duplicating it 115 times like we currently do. ‑‑Trialpears (talk) 21:53, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
I've noticed that several artists on Billboard have had their urls changed to include punctuation. For example, "rem" [4] changed to "r.e.m." [5]. I've gone through several of the band's song articles and made this change, but I suspect there are plenty of other cases out there in which not including periods in the url will load a blank page. Note that for some artists, such as P!nk and Hootie & the Blowfish, the pages will now load whether or not punctuation is included ([6]; [7]). ResPM come to my window23:17, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
Germany cleanup update
Hello. As of right now Category:Singlechart usages for Germany has 1,160 Pages. These need to be merged to either Germany2 or West Germany based on their chart entry year, but both point to the same website. This one is going to be awhile to cleanup as well. I was wondering if anyone would like to help with this one? --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 18:22, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
@MrLinkinPark333: I'll try, now that I'm back online here. There's an equivalent one for the German albumchart uses as well, right? Would be good to get these cleared and just have a single German parameter for both singles and albums, then the Ireland chart mess can be tackled... Richard3120 (talk) 19:39, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
Ugh, I thought we had this under control! Remind me why we had to make a new category for "Germany2" rather than changing the code for "Germany"? Is there a way to throw an error when "Germany" is used? Otherwise this will continue to be an uphill battle. Hoof Hearted (talk) 20:36, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
@Hoof Hearted: it wasn't created, it already existed in parallel with "Germany" and editors used one or the other. Then "Germany" became obsolete, so the only option is to move all the articles that used this template to "Germany2", which many articles already used. Richard3120 (talk) 21:25, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
Sorry if I'm not understanding, but what is preventing us from copying the code from "Germany2" into "Germany", so they would both produce the same results? Hoof Hearted (talk) 21:32, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
This may be more of a question at WP:SONG, but I thought I'd start here.
Are chart tables (and by extension, this {{single chart}} template) intended to show peaks on a yearly basis?
Happy Xmas (War Is Over)#Chart performance show UK weekly chart peaks for the following years: 1972−73, 1975, 1980, 1981, 1982, 1983, 1984, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, and 2012 (phew!). I can appreciate the accuracy and the fact that it falls in and out of the weekly chart every year. But this seems like a list of indiscriminate information, which WP is not.
Note that other perennial Christmas songs combine chart history.
Bohemian Rhapsody#Charts contains multiple year charts, but this makes more sense to show surges in popularity for its original release, then use in the films Wayne's World and Bohemian Rhapsody. I can also understand separate tables for reissues such as 99 Luftballons#Chart positions.
@Hoof Hearted: I've brought this issue up elsewhere in passing... see Wikipedia talk:Record charts#Rolling Stone chart problems. Clearly this is an issue that mostly affects Christmas songs, which now chart on a yearly basis, but it doesn't seem to be done consistently – for example, "Fairytale of New York" has yearly chart tables, but "All I Want for Christmas Is You" doesn't. Yearly tables give a better indication that these songs chart on a regular and separate basis, but on the other hand, after a couple of decades the article is going to become absurdly long, trying to fit all those tables in. It does need discussing. Richard3120 (talk) 18:35, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
Edit: I should point out that the table for "White Christmas" is incorrect... the Bing Crosby version peaked in the UK at Christmas 1977, immediately after his death, while in other countries it didn't chart for almost 35 years after that. So that doesn't give any indication as to its longevity or when the peak was achieved. And of course, the record is much, much older than that... it would have sold the vast majority of its alleged 50 million sales before charts existed in any country. Richard3120 (talk) 18:38, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
I thought that seemed too recent for such a standard!
Hi, looking for some advice using this template. In the article The Unforgiven (song), by Metallica, there are three different incarnations of this song, each with its own separate chart table. Having used this single chart template it causes problems with the out put of the reference links, having been defined multiple times. I have tried rectifying this using examples on another page (In Utero (album)), which includes adding the URL and giving it a title. But this doesn't work either, I am assuming because that was an album template and it is different with the single template ? Please can someone advise on how to rectify. Cheers.QuintusPetillius (talk) 20:10, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
@QuintusPetillius: Have you tried adding a "refname=" parameter to the template? What I usually do is name it something like "aus1"/"aus2" or "uk1998"/"uk2002", etc. Whenever I do that, this issue almost never occurs. ResPM come to my window21:23, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
Kindly include a similar note like one below included for Finland, for Czech Republic and Slovakia, that if the song has charted on the comprehensive Single Top 100 that the Radio Top 100 should be omitted.
Non-Finnish artists: If the release has charted on the comprehensive chart above, this chart is to be omitted.
Finnish artists:If the release has charted on the comprehensive chart (above) and not abroad, this chart can be added.CoolMarc12:23, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
There has been no consensus for this change. Whoever may see this and consider implementing it, please hold off until there is a decisive conclusion at Wikipedia talk:Record charts#Czech Republic and Slovakia. The editors involved in the linked discussion appear to believe that the Czech Republic and Slovakian Digital charts are "comprehensive", meaning airplay contributes to them and that on this basis, the Radio chart should be omitted, but this does not seem to be the case for these countries. Ss11203:56, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
Why does the template for Ultrapop charts insist on returning Ultrapip? ("Adding "Tip" after chart name (e.g., "Wallonia Tip") forces Ultratip reference.") Emeraude (talk) 08:47, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
There should be both Ultratop and Ultratip charts for both regions in Belgium. Ultratop is the main chart, Ultratip is an extension like the Bubbling Under is for the Billboard Hot 100. → Lil-℧niquԐ1 - (Talk) - 13:24, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
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Hello. I was wondering if Archiveurl/archivedate parameters could be added for Billboard. For example, the billboard weekly charts at Unlove You (Elise Estrada song) are dead but archived copies exist. Also, these Canadian Billboard charts do exist like for Avril Lavigne, but I guess Elise Estrada's billboard profile was taken down for some reason. This would be very helpful for Billboard chart listings that are broken but have archived copies available. Thanks! --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 21:14, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
Chart-track.co.uk
Hello. There is some link rot with Chart Track per Wikipedia:Link rot/cases/chart-track-uk. I've replaced a few of them, but I'm not sure where to find the remaining ones (Ireland Dance). Does anyone know if music magazines/websites archived these years? They go from 2000 to 2009 skipping 2008. Thanks! --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 15:05, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
It's not an existing single chart option. The chart was added to the documentation by an inexperienced user but the template itself was unchanged. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me01:10, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
Is there a reason why Billboard Dance Club Songs chart ID name is Billboarddanceclubplay? This is confusing as it's not an airplay chart like Dance/Mix Show Airplay which has the chartid of Billboarddanceairplay. Should this be renamed to Billboarddanceclubsongs or Billboarddanceclub? Thanks! --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 18:59, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
MrLinkinPark333, "Dance Club Play" was (one of) the previous name of the chart, so I'm guessing that's why it still has that ID. I'd go for "Billboarddanceclub", but I'm not that familiar with templates and editing them, so not sure how that works with regards to it being used on existing song articles? AshMusique (talk) 02:30, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
Hello. I was wondering why IFPI is being used for Finland instead of Finnish Charts by Hung Medien. I realize it's the same data, but was curious as the template uses a lot of other Hung Medien sites. Thanks! --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 23:31, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
@MrLinkinPark333: I guess it's because unlike some of the other Hung Medien sites, the official website for the Finnish music industry actually has complete archives from when it started in 1995. For example, SNEP's archives only go back to June 2018 while lescharts.com goes all the way back to when SNEP's official charts started in 1984, and ARIA doesn't archive any charts on their website, but australian-charts.com has all the ARIA listings back to when it took over officially from the Kent Report in 1989. And if you can link to the official website rather than Hung Medien's lists (which as we know from Mexican charts and others, can go offline at any time), that's the better option. Richard3120 (talk) 14:49, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
Dutch Tip charts
Hello. I was wondering if the Tip charts for Dutch100 and Dutch40 could be added. I'm wondering as we have the tip charts for Belgium (both Wallonia and Flanders) so I wonder why this isn't the case for Netherlands. Thanks! --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 00:13, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
@MrLinkinPark333: I see your proposal reached no consensus but I personally would really like to see it happen. The Single Tip could be formatted in the same way as Ultratip: with the target URL being the song page on dutchcharts.nl. As for the Tipparade, it seems as if it could easily be formatted in the same way as the Top40 since the URLs are similar (top40.nl/tipparade/2020/week-27 vs. top40.nl/top40/2020/week-27). HeyitsBentalk14:41, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
@HeyitsBen: I don't think it's a lack of consensus, more that the editors who can make the necessary changes to the template haven't seen this request. Personally I have no strong opinion on this, and if it goes ahead that's fine with me, but I feel if a song can't sell enough even to make the top 100 songs in the Netherlands, it probably isn't very notable... Richard3120 (talk) 15:25, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
@Richard3120: Apologies for my bad wording... I initially meant to imply the reason you've given :). Repeating what MrLinkinPark333 mentioned, we already use tip charts for the two Belgian Top 100 charts. I don't see why we shouldn't treat the Netherlands the same way? If anything, I believe that if a song fails to chart (despite having double the chances) in a small country like Belgium whose charts are already divided into two regions, it shouldn't be considered notable. I personally am more focused on vouching for the inclusion of the Tipparade, as it can be seen as a more reasonable extension of the Dutch Top 40. HeyitsBentalk16:08, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
I actually think the original proposal and yours are both fair enough... if we have the "bubbling under" charts for Belgium, we should include them for the Netherlands as well. I just meant that I find all these types of charts, including the Billboard Bubbling Under Hot 100 and the New Zealand Hot Singles, as kind of reaching for notability. But as we already include all of these, the Dutch ones should be included as well, it's only fair. Richard3120 (talk) 16:18, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
@MrLinkinPark333: you mean the NZ Hot Singles Chart? No idea if it's been accepted for use by consensus, but I've certainly seen in used in several articles. Basically, it's got to the point where the big chart providers (Billboard, OCC, ARIA, etc.) now produce so many specialist charts, there's bound to be a chart where a song has charted, and people are using whatever official chart they can find to create song articles. Richard3120 (talk) 02:11, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
I would support the use of both the Dutch Tip charts and New Zealand Hot singles in articles and think they should be added to the single chart templates. Cheers.QuintusPetillius (talk) 20:39, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
Square brackets in URL
Hello. I was wondering how I can generate URLs that have square brackets in them. For example, The Jets are under The Jets [US] for Hung Medien. If I correct the artist name at Crush on You (The Jets song) to The Jets [US], the ref generates to "[US&titel=Crush+on+You&cat=s Charts.nz – The Jets [US] – Crush on You"]. Any idea how I can fix this? Thanks! --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 15:00, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
New chart IDs are needed for Hot Alternative Songs and Hot Hard Rock Songs. Actual chart names for those with chart IDs of Billboardrocksongs and Billboardalternativesongs have changed to Hot Rock & Alternative Songs and Alternative Airplay, respectively. While it is simple enough to keep the Billboardrocksongs ID and change the name of the chart and create a new ID for Billboardhardrocksongs, how should the alternative charts be handled? Can the chart ID for Alternative Songs be changed to Billboardalternativeairplay with the articles that currently use it properly updated? That way, Billboardalternativesongs can be repurposed for use with the new Hot Alternative Songs chart. Suggestions? StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me23:52, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
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The only difference is that {{strip whitespace}} has been replaced by {{trim}}, which it already redirects to anyway (and has for the last 5 years).
This shortens the code and is in accordance with WP:NOTBROKEN, which includes the following: "In other namespaces, particularly the template and portal namespaces in which subpages are common, any link or transclusion to a former page title that has become a redirect following a page move should be updated to the new title for naming consistency." Jdaloner (talk) 02:03, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
To editors Jdaloner and Pppery: technically the quoted clause does apply because a special kind of page move we call a "merge" took place, so done. If anyone thinks the merge should be specifically mentioned in the guideline, then feel free to do so. I don't think it's necessary; however, this edit request may have proved me wrong. P.I. Ellsworthed.put'r there03:53, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
Add Latin Rhythm Airplay
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To editor Erick:Partly done: the former name has been replaced by the present name, and I see you have sandboxed the LRA addition. If that tests okay, then I see no reason why it can't be added, so let me know. P.I. Ellsworthed.put'r there21:49, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
Hi, I am trying to access Billboard.com and I am getting a pop up which I "accept all" but then I am still not allowed to use the site, no matter what browser I am using. Is anyone else having this problem or is it just me ? QuintusPetillius (talk) 17:17, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
@QuintusPetillius: The site seems to be working fine for me. I've checked the main page, several subpages, and several artist histories, but nothing came up. Is there something in particular you're trying to access? ResPM come to my window17:50, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
I'm just trying to access billboard.com full stop because I do from time to time add charts on Wikipedia from there. No matter which browser I use I get a pop up asking me to accept new cookies etc and I click accept all, but it still does not allow me to navigate the website at all. I am going to check my browser settings but not sure why it would suddenly be a problem with all browsers. Cheers.QuintusPetillius (talk) 19:11, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
I'm not having any trouble accessing the site or various chart pages. Sounds like the problem is specific to your device. Richard3120 (talk) 19:33, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
Probably not the best place to discuss this, but does anyone know why the official Scottish singles chart still does not include streaming data ? Streaming is the way most people access their music these days and it seems strange that unlike the official UK chart, the Irish OCC chart and many other charts around the world, Scotland's does not include streaming.QuintusPetillius (talk) 18:24, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
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Remove the pipelink [[Latin Pop Airplay|Latin Pop Songs]] to simply [[Latin Pop Airplay]] as it has been article name since 2011. Plus it's referred to as "Latin Pop Airplay" on Billboard's website. Erick (talk) 21:42, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
I recently want to After Hours article and go to this source for the Weeknd's chart history in Billboard, it appears the chart has been deleted. I notice Billboard has been deleting artists' chart histories recently and I wondering if we should change the format.
This is just only my opinion of how the Billboard charts should be format, if there's other editors who disagree with this, please explain. TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 05:33, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
The problem is that it would only work for the Hot 100 and Billboard 200 – all the specialist charts are behind a paywall so you can't see them. Richard3120 (talk) 19:42, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
We all do! Unfortunately I won't be surprised if the OCC and more chart companies start to put their information behind paywalls in the future – it's an easy way for them to make money. We rely on the Hung Medien websites for archives of European and Australian and New Zealand chart places, but these websites are only funded by public contributions... they could close the websites tomorrow and then we don't have these sources either. Richard3120 (talk) 20:03, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
Paywalls are no different then having access to a hard copy of a book or magazine. The information only has to be verifiable by someone not anyone at anytime. The only problem I have with using a specific chart week as a source is that it does not absolutely confirm that was the song's peak position (unless it reached No. 1). StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me22:00, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
This is true, but a book or a magazine will tell you information from the past... to add chart positions from the present and in the future, someone will have to have a Billboard subscription, and they aren't cheap. Richard3120 (talk) 23:01, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
@Paine Ellsworth: Thank you as well! By the way, there seems to be something wrong with the Billboard charts (Billboardsinglessales, Billboarddancesales and Billboardbubblingrandbhiphop) I added – "Singlechart usages for X" categories are showing for pages where those entries are used.Edit: Never mind, I've managed to solve this by creating tracking categories for the entries. snapsnap(talk)20:55, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
@SnapSnap: Can you please confirm that the Hot Singles Sales and Bubbling Under R&B/Hip-Hop Songs are valid uses for the single chart template. I've attempted to verify a few where it has been used and it takes to me to top selection from the drop-down list for the chart history pages for those artists. I don't even see these two charts as possible selections. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me00:54, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
So it’s not verifiable then because it’s not something we can simply take your word for. What source do you have that those positions are correct? Because that should then be the true source and not the use of this template. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me03:31, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
The chart's name is in the URL, so I wouldn't say it's completely unverifiable. For instance, compare Madonna's Hot Singles Sales page with her Hot 100 page. I can see how the fact that the chart's name in the box does not match the one in the URL could be confusing, but it's still a more convenient option than search through archived AllMusic links or hard copies of Billboard on Google Books. Billboard.biz is no longer a viable option either, it seems. snapsnap(talk)04:57, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
Sweden
I just found out that the official charts website for Sverigetopplistan now has a decent archive search that combines all charted releases of a given artist be they singles or albums. The url could easily be used to add a new template parameter in order to back up swedishcharts.com which sometime lacks certain releases. Cf. https://www.sverigetopplistan.se/search?query=The+Sounds The only caveat is that the site is entirely in Swedish, but I think the usage of the search results is somewhat self explanatory. So what do you think, should we add this to the template? De728631 (talk) 09:14, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
Yes, I like this – I'm always worried about being too dependent on the Hung Medien sites for chart placings, as these depend on having the licence to show the charts, and can disappear without warning (like the Mexican charts), and I think ti's much better to use the official chart websites where possible, and this revamped site now has all single and album entries going back to when the official chart started in October 1975. As a bonus it looks like it also includes all certifications awarded back to 1987, when the certifications started, although for earlier years it only gives the final certification for a record right from its first week on the chart, so you don't know when the certification was made. The fact that it's in Swedish isn't a problem as instructions in English can be added to the template, e.g. "type the artist name or song/album name in the Sok field and press Enter, then select the down arrow on the song or album of interest to see its highest chart position (Högsta Placering)". Richard3120 (talk) 13:39, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
I always support creating templates for official chart sites, but one thing I'm worried about is that this may turn out like Finland's template that leads to Musiikkituottajat, where pages don't load correctly if certain types of punctuation are included in the artist or song parameters. Unlike the other templates, I can't find a workaround. If a template is created for Sverigetopplistan and this issue isn't considered, editors and readers may have trouble verifying peaks if they don't know how to navigate the site or don't check other Medien pages. It may or may not happen, but I just wanted to bring up this potential issue. ResPM come to my window14:09, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
It seems like you're up to something there. E.g. https://www.sverigetopplistan.se/search?query=Motorhead does work, while a query with the stylised name Motörhead does not return any results even though the letter ö is part of the Swedish alphabet. Also a search for "Hemliga byrån" does not produce a result whereas https://www.sverigetopplistan.se/search?query=Hemliga shows their charted single. So it seems that their database is somewhat inconsistent regarding artist names.
A different approach might be going through the chart, year and week search they also offer: See https://www.sverigetopplistan.se/chart/54?dspy=2018&dspp=12 where 54 is the albums chart as opposed to 41 for singles, and then you have the year and week. The chart ID numbers can be derived from the "Listor" menu on top of the page. This, however, requires you to know where in time to look for your release. De728631 (talk) 20:51, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
I'd go for either just as long as it works correctly. The UK charts have two templates that work this way. Date templates take less time to prepare, but artist templates take less time to search. It could go either way. ResPM come to my window21:13, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
CIS and Russia
Please, change in table (Actual chart name) the name "Tophit Radio & YouTube Hits" to "Top Radio Hits" for CIS, because this can cause confusion, because most participants put down data from "Top Radio Hits" and not from "Top Radio & YouTube Hits". And "City & Country Radio Hits" for Russia because that's where the template leads.--Sanslogique (talk) 08:09, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
Spanish singles chart history - has it been recalculated?
Spanishcharts.com seems to be giving different historical charting positions than were originally given. For example, if you look at an archived version of the webpage for U2's 'You're the Best Thing About Me', it says the song charted at #8 on Sept 10, 2017. However, that position doesn't show up on a current version of the song page, and when I go to a historical view of that same Sept 10, 2017 chart date, the song is nowhere to be seen. On the PROMUSICAE website, Sept 10, 2017 is neither the beginning nor the end of a chart week (rather, it falls in the middle of one). So what gives? Have the Spanish Charts been retroactively recalculated? Has one site's data subsumed the other's? Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 17:09, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
I did a little more digging and found that "You're the Best Thing About Me" charted at #8, but it was on the Physical/Digital Single Top 50, which is distinct from the Top 100 Singles Chart. I'm not sure what the difference is, but it would behoove us to understand them, since I suspect we may have to go back and correct the charting positions for several songs. I'm also still not clear on which of the 4 song charts on Spanishcharts.com equates to the one published on PROMUSICAE's site. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 21:11, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
Bubbling under
Many charts other than the Billboard Hot 100 have bubbling under sections to their charts - and this is not reflected on the template. For instance, the song Moral of the Story by Ashe peaked at #4 on the bubbling under chart (see here: https://www.ultratop.be/nl/ultratip/2020/20200321) for the Flanders Ultratip chart, and also at #4 on the bubbling chart for Wallonia (the following week: https://www.ultratop.be/fr/ultratip/2020/20200328). The bubbling under charts are drastically different than the singles charts in every country, making distinction very important. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Katzrockso (talk • contribs) 07:14, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
I honestly wonder why we include the Billboard Bubbling Under chart, the Dutch/Belgian Tip charts, the NZ Hot Singles chart, or any other "bubbling under" chart at all... we are talking here about songs that didn't sell enough to make the main chart, so I don't see how they are important. In addition, I see lots of editors who don't seem to know the difference between these charts and the main chart – I've just had to make a correction on a article which stated that a song reached the top ten in Belgium and the Netherlands, and actually it was only on the Tip charts. I just think they're trivial and confusing, and I'm considering starting a thread to see if they should be kept on Wikipedia. Richard3120 (talk) 14:44, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
Germany parameters clean up
The effort started almost two years ago to clean up the Germany charts is finally coming to its end. With all instances of Germany replaced with Germany2 (by many editors, recently kleool, thank you all), I now removed the old code which produced a dead link, and temporarily made it so using Germany uses the Germany2 code. As agreed back then, I am now running a bot which will replace all instances of Germany2 with Germany, after which we can go back to using Germany. --Muhandes (talk) 12:05, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
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Change "Latin Tropical Airplay" to just "Tropical Airplay" per Billboard site. I know I made a similar request a few months ago, but I updated the article's name to match Billboard's website. Erick (talk) 13:39, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
Hello. There are defunct Billboard charts in the code of Single chart but atent being used according to singlechart usages. They are Billboard Brazil Hot 100 and Phillipines.
Alternatively, Billboard European Hot 100 is still there and used. I think that would need converted to Billbord to archived billboard chart website (if possible) or converted to specific Billboard issues that show these peaks.
1) Several categories are deleted like Category:Singlechart usages for Romandy but still appear in the Single chart template. They are: Australian, Finnish, German, Hungarian, Italian, Slovakian, Romandy, Suisse romande. I think they should be removed from the template as theres other ones already covering these regions like Category:Singlechart usages for Swiss Romandy for the above example.
2) There are several categories in the Singlechart usages category that are missing in the Single chart template. They are: Australiandance, Flanders Dance, Flanders Urban, Hungarytop10, Israelairplay, ItalyFIMI, Norwegian, Romania, Wallonia Dance. Norwegian points to the same link as Norway so that could be put as an alternative name for it. Romania should be deleted as it's split between Romaniaradioairplay and Romaniatvairplay. Hungariantop10 points to the Hungarian Single Top 40 (it used to be Hungarian top 10). Maybe that could be merged/split?
Moved from Template talk:Single chart/chartnote
