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Note: Articles intended to be held for special occasion dates should be nominated within seven days of creation, start of expansion, or promotion to Good Article status. The nomination should be made between at least one week prior to the occasion date, to allow time for reviews and promotions through the prep and queue sets, but not more than six weeks in advance. The proposed occasion must be deemed sufficiently special by reviewers. The timeline limitations, including the six week maximum, may be waived by consensus, if a request is made at WT:DYK, but requests are not always successful. Discussion clarifying the hold criteria can be found here: [1]; discussion setting the six week limit can be found here: [2].
Note for promoters: please be sure to add an "invisible" comment after a hook when you've placed it in prep, noting that it's a special occasion hook and including the date it is supposed to run. This should keep the hook from being moved after promotion, as sometimes happens to hooks when a queue needs a slot filled or a prep set needs to be made more balanced by swapping hooks between preps.
Source: [3] "Ya está puesto el +65 con los nombres de los fallecidos calados en la cruz. El soldador sube a dar los últimos toques para que el antimonumento quede firme." (The +65 is already in place, with the names of the deceased engraved on the cross. The welder climbs up to give the final touches to ensure the antimonument is secure.) Page 62.
ALT1: ... that the Antimonumento +65(pictured), dedicated to the miners who were trapped in the Pasta de Conchos mine disaster 19 years ago today, is complemented by a cage filled with hard hats buried in coal? Source: [4] Pero también traen una gran jaula [...] Uno a uno, los deudos se acercan a la jaula. Cada quien trae un casco que lleva escrito el nombre del familiar atrapado dentro de la mina y un pedazo de carbón mineral extraído en Coahuila [...] La jaula queda llena de cascos amarillos, blancos y azules. Llena también de grandes trozos de carbón que se deshacen, sueltan ceniza. (But they also bring a large cage [...] One by one, the relatives approach the cage. Each one carries a helmet with the name of the family member trapped inside the mine and a piece of coal extracted from Coahuila [...] The cage fills with yellow, white, and blue helmets. It also fills with large pieces of coal that crumble and release ash.) Page 67.
Moved to mainspace on January 11, 2025, long enough (over 6,000 per DYK check), cited, neutral, Earwig reported violation unlikely (5.7%), QPQ done. Hooks interesting, cited, ALT1 seems long. Image checks ok.
@Tbhotch: Do you want to add that the miners died to the hooks? Without knowing about the event, they could have been trapped and later rescued. Thanks, Zeete (talk) 14:20, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Source: Mill Hill reference "This statue was initially displayed at the Centennial Exposition in Philadelphia in 1876." "It was relocated to Douglas Place in 1976 as part of a bicentennial project "
... that the private showings of Alexander McQueen's posthumous final collection Angels and Demons (final look pictured) ended with a whisper saying "There is no more"? Source: A Requiem for Alexander McQueen
New enough, long enough, well sourced as usual, another nice article for the McQueen collection collection with no obvious issues. QPQ has been done by someone else, which is fine. Image is OK to use (although the white ceiling is a bit suboptimal). The hook is interesting, but I do have one comment: it is sourced differently in the article than here; I can confirm the hook from the Telegraph source (both "private" and "There is no more"), but it is not cited in the article. Snippet view on GBooks and Internet Archive confirms the accuracy of the hook content also from the sources cited in the article. It might be worth considering the use of the (more easily accessible) Telegraph source also in the article to avoid confusion with this nom. But in any case, this seems good to go. —Kusma (talk) 09:39, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the review Kusma! I did mean to do that and I completely forgot. I've put it in there now. Cheers! (It just occurred to me - I've never done a date request before so someone please let me know if I need to do anything else - could this be held for March 9th?) ♠PMC♠ (talk)09:58, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that Hans Dieter Beck(pictured) usually used a bicycle to work as a leader of C. H. Beck legal publishing, running the family business in the sixth generation, until age 92? Source: [5]
The hook is actually interesting, but it lacks focus due to being too long and trying to fit in too many facts into one hook. Suggesting a split into two separate hooks, with the decision on what hook to use to be left to the reviewer:
ALT1 ... that Hans Dieter Beck(pictured) usually used a bicycle to work as a leader of C. H. Beck legal publishing?
ALT2 ... that Hans Dieter Beck(pictured) ran his family business, the C. H. Beck legal publishing house, until the age of 92?
Thank you for the offers, but how about leaving the fact in that I found most stunning: that the used the bicycle until age 92, a few weeks before he died while in office? + I find the office more interesting when knowing what kind of long-run family tradition there is behind it, and he one of two leaders, from 1973. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:49, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT3 ... that Hans Dieter Beck(pictured) rode a bicycle to work until shortly before his death at the age of 92?
ALT3a ... that Hans Dieter Beck(pictured), one of the two leaders of C. H. Beck, rode a bicycle to work until shortly before his death at the age of 92?
Thank you for trying, but I'm not happy with wasting characters on mentioning his death, - work at age 92 seems impressive enough, and then in a company-leading function. ALT3a is closer to what I'd like. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:25, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I too prefer the original, but it is rather long. How about the following rearrangement:
ALT4 ... that as co-head of the publisher C. H. Beck, Hans Dieter Beck(pictured) rode a bicycle to work until he was 92?
Article length and age are fine, no copyvio or plagiarism concerns, reliable sources are used, and ALT4 is fine by me. However, this article has already appeared on the main page In the News, so according to my reading of the DYK rules, it is not eligible. Munfarid1 (talk) 10:32, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Could you indicate the page where this distinction is made? On the page for DYK reviews, I haven't seen this distinction, but am happy to learn about this. Munfarid1 (talk) 11:52, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Munfarid1: It's listed in WP:DYKNEW: Bolded names with dates listed at the bottom of OTD are not disqualified, nor are names listed in "Recent deaths" section of ITN. As Beck only appeared in Recent deaths and was not a blurb, the article is still eligible for DYK. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:23, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Source: Bergland, Joel (2000). "The Farm Beneath the Sand". In Fitzhugh, William W.; Ward, Elisabeth (eds.). Vikings: the North Atlantic Saga. Washington, DC: Smithsonian Institution Press. pp. 295–304. pp. 302–303: Ivar Bardarson was sent to the Western Settlement to contact the people there, since in the more southerly and larger Eastern Settlement no on had heard from them for many years. He found no people, only empty farms and stray farmy animals. The quantities of animal manure that lay in all rooms in this abandoned farm appear to confirm the story of untethered domestic animals.
New, long, comprehensive, well-sourced, and I love the haunting vibe of the hook. I shall propose another hook just for the fun of it: ALT1: ... that Ívar Bárðarson's 14th-century reports of feral livestock inhabiting a failed Greenlandic colony were corroborated by the discovery of a frozen goat and animal feces inside an abandoned home? If you like ALT1, it will have to be approved by another editor. Surtsicna (talk) 12:58, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I am fine with that ALT hook and generally with an ALT hook that talks about the archaeological work in the Western Settlement. Thanks for the feedback and the ALT. And yes another reviewer will have to take a look, Rjjiii (talk) 03:06, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This article, promoted to GA on the 9 January, is long enough, new enough, and well-cited. Image in the public domain. QPQ done. Offline source for ALT0 accepted in good faith; source for ALT1 checks out; however, the nominator probably should have added Barber 2012, p. 265 as a source for ALT2 (as the quote "of degenerate morals" is given there). My favourite hook is ALT0. Good to go. Tenpop421 (talk) 01:12, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Given that April 1 entries are allowed to screw around with formatting a little for the sake of the joke, I strongly recommend that in this context we refer to Ms. Mus as "an Alien". Otherwise it just sounds broken. (Indefinite articles do go with personal names - "in my office, I work with three Steves and a Cindy", e.g., so it;ll work here.) DS (talk) 21:03, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Overall: The article has been revised to address my concern, and it is now good to go. Unfortunately, I see some too-close language from this source. They say The Mozart scholar Volkmar Braunbehrens points out that, while Mozart did stay in Munich in 1790, there is no mention in his letters of any portrait of him being commissioned by the Elector or anyone else during his short visit to the city, nor does the name Edlinger occur anywhere in his correspondence. Indeed, Mozart writes that he only intended to stay for 1 day in Munich but was persuaded by the Elector to stay for 6 days to entertain his court guests; during this time he also busied himself by visiting his many friends. and the article says The composer wrote in a letter that he only intended to stay for one day, but was persuaded by the Elector to stay for six days to entertain his court guests, also visiting many of his friends. [...] On the other hand, scholar Volkmar Braunbehrens pointed that, while Mozart did stay in Munich in 1790, there is no mention in his letters of any portrait being realised, nor does the name Edlinger appear. Please revise this section to avoid close paraphrasing. But the other Earwig hits all look like quotes and unproblematic phrases, so I think you're OK after you tidy up that one. Please ping me when it's ready for a second look.~ L 🌸 (talk) 06:05, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Adequate sourcing: - Per the guidelines at WP:GENREWARRIOR, the genres in the infobox, MPB and world music, should either be supported by prose in the article, or by a citation in the infobox itself. "Love Me Tender" being listed as a "bonus track in the digital download" seems to be unsourced. The fact in the Legacy section also doesn't seem to be affirmed by the citation (it doesn't say that it was the first book published); I'd honestly suggest getting rid of the section altogether (since I'm not a big fan of one-sentence paragraphs/sections), but it should be okay as long as a different citation is added.
Other problems: - WP:DYKCOMPLETE notes that an article that is to appear on the front page should be "reasonably complete", so I'm going to be a bit picky (though hopefully not unreasonably so) and ask that a Personnel section be added into the page. All of the recent DYKs of albums include one, after all, and this site currently used in the article includes an full listing.
Other problems: - While I really like the content of this hook, I think that it should probably be re-phrased to put more emphasis on the fact that these songs are included on A Foreign Sound itself; as the hook currently stands, it reads more like he's simply giving critique on these two songs in a context unrelated to the album. See my overall comment for a bit more.
QPQ: None required.
Overall: For your first DYK nomination, this is a great job! Earwig shows 34.2% similarity, which is rather high but is considered "violation unlikely"; it could probably be reduced with a bit of work on the reception section (see WP:RECEPTION), but I'm not going to let that stop the DYK from proceeding. However, I have listed a few sourcing concerns which need to be addressed, and the hook may benefit from a bit of a re-write to emphasize the album itself (perhaps something along the lines of ALT0A: "... that A Foreign Sound includes a song that Caetano Veloso called "a fake American song written by a Brazilian" and a song he called "a fake Brazilian song written by Americans"?).
I also request that a personnel section be added to the article, in the spirit of WP:DYKCOMPLETE. I do understand that it's going to be quite a bit of work, so I'm not going to let this be the *only* thing which stops the article from moving forward if it comes to that, given that DYK articles are allowed to be of a lower quality than GA or FA. However, I believe it's a reasonable ask, because a personnel section is something which any album article is expected to have, and per WP:PERSONNEL the entire thing does not need to be included if it truly ends up being excessive. Sorry if this is a lot, but I have confidence that you can resolve these issues in a timely manner, and I hope that you're up for it! Leafy46 (talk) 04:36, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Leafy46: In editing the problems raised, I kept the Legacy section and replaced it with another reliable source that emphasizes that this is the first book in the series. I would also consider the Personnel section to be a pretty decent size and not excessive. Lastly, the genres in the infobox have been supported by references in the Musical style section. Cattos💭21:28, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Cathodography: Having looked through your edits, I believe that you've satisfactorily addressed my concerns. I have removed "rock" as a genre in order to better reflect the source (as he merely called it an influence on his music as a whole), but feel free to undo it if you think it's not an improvement. Approving both the original hook and my minor adjustment above, which I've retroactively marked ALT0A (allowed per Note D in WP:DYKG, given that it is simply a restructuring of the original hook). Thank you for your fast work, and, once again, great job on your first DYK nom :) Leafy46 (talk) 05:59, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nominations by a veteran DYK contributor, including a GA, make for some of the easiest DYK reviews. The Matlock and Dead! articles are new, long enough, and well-sourced. The GA is recent. The image looks very good. I see neither neutrality nor copyright concerns in any of the articles. Could you remind me of the DYK rule allowing for orthography bending outside of April's Fools hooks, Launchballer? I see that the band is often called DEAD! in the cited sources. Perhaps such all caps would be better than either dead! or Dead! in ALT0. Would it be fun and semantically appropriate to replace "formed" with "had" or "has"? The separate alternative hooks are all very interesting too, though it might be kinder to let Sam shine in his own right. I do love the meta element in ALT3. Surtsicna (talk) 11:45, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry to keep you waiting on this; I hit a wall shortly between nominating and your comment. (I put Dead! and Sam Matlock together quite quickly.) I don't see anything at WP:DYKG regarding capitalisation but WP:DYKAPRIL suggests it can only be done for hooks on that day. There are some interesting hooks in [6] such as "that Sam Matlock of Wargasm and Dead! has likened paid meet and greets to prostitution", but I'd need to add them to the article. For now, I can suggest ALT3a: "that Wargasm, featuring Dead! guitarist Sam Matlock, have been described as "looking like the Wikipedia definition of modern rock stars"?"--Launchballer15:35, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I still like ALT0 best, Launchballer. It is concise and very punchy. The sense of urgency created by the interrobang is irresistible. It drew me in despite the topic being outside my normal zone of interest. What do you think about replacing dead! with DEAD!, as I see it written in some sources? ALT0a: ... that Sam Matlock(pictured) formed Wargasm with a woman who photographed DEAD!? Surtsicna (talk) 15:08, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that the Albis Tunnel (built 1894) was the second-longest railway tunnel in Switzerland at its time?
Source: "Der Bau kam planmässig voran und der Durchstich des damals zweitlängsten Tunnels in der Schweiz (!) wurde am 15.5.1894 in Baar gehörig gefeiert." Stuber, Martin (21 August 2020). "Rückblick - Wie der Kanton Zug zum Eisenbahnknoten wurde". Zuger Zeitung (in German). CH Media. Retrieved 10 January 2025.. Non-paywalled copy at: [7]
ALT1: ... that the Albis Tunnel in Switzerland has been described as a bottleneck of railway services? Source: "Es gibt aber zwei Nadelöhre, die eine Erweiterung des Bahnangebots verunmöglichen. Eines ist der einspurige Albistunnel bei Sihlbrugg, das andere der Knoten Thalwil." Kälin, Adi (24 March 2022). "Zimmerberg-Basistunnel: Viertlängster Bahntunnel der Schweiz". Neue Zürcher Zeitung (in Swiss High German). NZZ Mediengruppe. Retrieved 8 January 2025.
Reviewed:
Comment: First DYK, so let me know if I messed anything up. Happy to run it without the image as well. ALT1 is for if a fact about the present railway traffic is preferred over the historical fact.
Moved to mainspace by YuniToumei (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
The article looks good and the hook is interesting. The image is freely licensed. The hook matches the article and I don't speak German so I can't verify the source. (I haven't reviewed ALT1). Personally I would remove the "(built 1984)" and change the ending so it says "when it was made" or something similar (I'm unfamiliar with tunnel terminology). QPQ not needed ―Panamitsu(talk)07:13, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that Johann Reinhold Forster, who together with his son George(both pictured) took part in the second voyage of James Cook, was described as "one of the Admiralty's vast mistakes"? Source: Beaglehole, John C. (1969) [1961]. The Journals of Captain James Cook on his Voyages of Discovery. Vol. II. Cambridge: Published for the Hakluyt Society at the University Press. p. xliii
I don't have access to the source, but I'm most interested in ALT0. Could you get a short passage from the book to help verify? It's not clear what was the mistake here, was it Forster's participation in the voyage, or the voyage itself? That January 11 expansion was one hell of an edit. The article is otherwise new enough. Earwig shows 51% for copyvio, but this appears to be excerpts from Forster's journal which is unambiguously public domain by now. I'll complete the rest of the review once you address the hook issue. Departure– (talk) 17:58, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Departure–, thank you for the review! Embarrassingly I actually misquoted this, fixed now. A more extensive quote is "But who is going to envy John Reinhold Forster? We have come to one of the awkward beings of the age, the patently conspicuous phenomenon of the voyage. Let us admit at once, where we can, the virtues of Forster, his learning, the width of his interests, his perceptiveness in some things, the fact that, sunk deep beneath the surface, there was said to be some geniality. Let us admit that the surface itself must have been, at first sight, sometimes impressive—or how else could he have taken in, temporarily, so many excellent persons? Let us concede, as a mitigating factor, that for ocean voyaging no man was ever by physical or mental constitution less fitted. Yet there is nothing that can make him other than one of the Admiralty's vast mistakes. From first to last on the voyage, and afterwards, he was an incubus." The "mistake" here in Beaglehole's eye is to hire Forster as the expedition's scientist. —Kusma (talk) 17:29, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The Earwig 51% are with respect to this and just come from the fact that I and the author of that page both quote similar things from the same sources. —Kusma (talk) 14:30, 31 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Kusma: Most of Earwig shows nothing I'd consider a copyvio. From there, everything looks sourced, QPQ done, but before we go, I'd advise changing the hook a bit for proper attribution etc. What do you think of the blurb...
Attribution to a name and a more concise blurb would be excellent here. Let me know where you stand on the blurb I propose and we'll be ready to go. Great work! Departure– (talk) 16:15, 31 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Beaglehole actually liked Georg Forster (whether he's Georg or George is another debate also held on Talk:Georg Forster; usually he is "George" in the Cook-related literature but "Georg" in the literary/philosophical/French revolution related literature; he was German but actually baptised "George" after an English ancestor), so we should not extend the criticism to the son. Departure–, what do you think? —Kusma (talk) 17:08, 31 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Kusma: My only issue with that hook is length - it's right on 200 characters of prose so I'm unsure if it can be used. Are you alright shortening "second voyage of James Cook" to "James Cook's second voyage"? Departure– (talk) 17:11, 31 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Not going to bother asking for the removal of "the" before Cook (unless we're calling explorer James Cook by the awesome cognomen The Cook, which would be a better nickname than anything I could come up with) as it's obviously not a controversial change, but that hook is otherwise good to go from here. Departure– (talk) 18:13, 31 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that recycled housing for street dogs, a recruitment platform for international students and a podcast about Latin-American students in Ireland were all created by Diana Vicezar(pictured)?
Source: Street dogs: "Vicezar leitet seit September 2017 die Organisation Mymba Rayhu, die sich zum Ziel gesetzt hat, die Lebensqualität von Hunden auf der Straße zu verbessern, von denen viele von ihren Besitzern aufgegeben werden, indem sie Unterkünfte mit vollständig recycelten Materialien errichtet." [Since September 2017, Vicezar has led the organization Mymba Rayhu, which aims to improve the quality of life of street dogs, many of whom are abandoned by their owners, by building shelters with fully recycled materials.] https://wochenblatt.cc/paraguayerin-unter-den-einflussreichsten-menschen-der-welt/
Podcast: "The first of its kind in Ireland, 'La Sociedad' (The Society) is the brainchild of UCC student Diana Vicezar. The podcast features students from Peru, Spain, Mexico, Brazil, Argentina, and Colombia, and aims to provide a space in which they can share their stories and increase the positive representation of their communities." https://www.corkindependent.com/2023/04/14/podcast-sheds-light-on-hispanic-and-latino-students-in-ireland/
Created by Lajmmoore (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 114 past nominations.
I based her based notability on GNG - in that there are three separate topics where she featured inregional, national and international coverage: the recycled houses for stray dogs (Wochenblatt), the recruitment app for international students (Forbes, ABC Paraguay), plus podcast (Cork Independent) plus the awards, especially the Diana Award. There's more coverage on ABC Color that could be added, and it's is considered Paraguay's national newspaper "of record". I focussed on the international coverage but am happy to add to it. Lajmmoore (talk) 09:59, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Lajmmoore: Aargh! Now we are two characters short of the 1,501 character minimum. (WP:DYKLEN) Can you add a few more words? (And while you are at it, fix "whilst is the", which I think should be "which is the", but that would cost you a few more characters. Hawkeye7(discuss)21:34, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Excuse the slightly late nomination; only found the hook yesterday evening. Lambrini Girls was moved to mainspace on 11 January and Who Let the Dogs Out was created on 15 January; I've expanded both today.
I just love how you make proper encyclopedic articles out of source material as unserious as "having cum on my shirt" or "doing a poo at your friend’s house". The articles are newish, long, comprehensive, well-sourced. The photographs look good and are free to use. I am particularly impressed by the quality of the sources. This will be fun. Surtsicna (talk) 23:04, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that historians have described Oliver Cromwell's (pictured) decision in 1648 to launch the attack which became the Battle of Preston as an enormous gamble and hardly credible?
Source: "enormous gamble" Wanklyn, Malcolm (2014) [2006]. Decisive Battles of the English Civil War. Barnsley, South Yorkshire: Pen & Sword. ISBN978-1-78346-975-8. Page 199.
"hardly credible" Bull, Stephen; Seed, Mike (1998). Bloody Preston: The Battle of Preston, 1648. Lancaster: Carnegie. ISBN978-1-85936-041-5. Page 60.
ALT1: ... that Oliver Cromwell's (pictured) decision in 1648 to launch the attack which became the Battle of Preston was an enormous gamble and hardly credible? Source: As ALT0
Excellent article, new GA within the nomination timeframe, detailed, well-written, and well-referenced. Hook is interesting (personally prefer the ALT0 variant), in the article, and referenced (AGF on offline sources). Image is in the article and appropriately licensed (dispute notwithstanding). Took the liberty to bold the article in ALT0 and add the ''(pictured)'' in both. QPQ done, so good to go. Constantine ✍ 14:40, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Created by nominator yesterday, long enough, well sourced, fully referenced, accessible sources, passes EarWig, well written. (I hope this is heading to GAN.)
QPQ looks good.
Both hooks are sourced to the BBC, are interesting, hooky, and short.
Strictly the article refers to loans taken out by men. I think not specifying that in the hook is probably allowable at DYK, but let's see if we can work it in.
I much prefer ALT1, but could I suggest a slight tightening up and the inclusion of "men", to give:
ALT2 ...that a government intervened after 80% of personal loans taken out by men were to cover wedding expenses?; or
ALT3 ... that a government intervened after 80% of men's personal loans went to cover wedding expenses?
@Gog the Mild: Hi there! Thanks for the review, much appreciated; though I personally prefer ALT0, I do not mind the second hook; I think ALT3 is works nicely as being short and concise. The only slight issue though, "wedding expenses" being the boldened text implies an article about wedding costs, hence why I made it the alternate hook. I wasn't sure on how to frame it differently. If you don't think that is an issue, then I'm fine with it being the hook. Thanks! jolielover♥talk14:57, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think we are allowed to be a little cheeky to create a catchy hook. The hook information is in the article and directly relevant to it. Let's see if we get any objection, if not, ALT3 it is. Gog the Mild (talk) 15:12, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1: ... that Caetano Veloso and Os Mutantes were booed and pelted with food at the III Festival Internacional da Canção? Source: Dunn, Christopher (2010). "It's Forbidden to Forbid: FIC 1968". Brutality Garden: Tropicália and the Emergence of a Brazilian Counterculture. University of North Carolina Press. pp. 129–138. ISBN 978-0-8078-4976-7.
ALT2: ... that twelve musicians, including Vinicius de Moraes, Antônio Carlos Jobim, and Chico Buarque, were arrested for refusing to perform at the V Festival Internacional da Canção? Source: Cabral, Sérgio (2016). Antonio Carlos Jobim: Uma Biografia (in Brazilian Portuguese). Lazuli Editora. pp. 298–299. ISBN 978-85-7865-108-4. Resultado: a polícia, tendo à frente o seu próprio chefe, general França, e o inspetor Sena, da polícia política, saiu em campo e conseguiu deter 12 dos compositores envolvidos, inclusive o próprio Jobim.
Reviewed:
Comment: There are many, many interesting facts about this festival that could work. Let me know which you prefer or if there are any others that catch your eye while looking over the article. If the first one is chosen, I would love for this awesome photo of Nascimento to be used. If not, then potentially the poster in the infobox, designed by Ziraldo, could be used.
Created by Why? I Ask (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
New enough, long enough, no copyvio detected, article is presentable, images in article appear to be correctly licensed (seems like Brazil has pretty generous copyright laws; anything commissioned by a govt organization), article is well-sourced and presentable. AGF on foreign-language hook, although google translate tells me it's accurate. I prefer the orig hook to the alts. Wording and length of hook is fine. Nice work! seefooddiet (talk) 11:29, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The article is a newly-promoted GA and meets requirements for length and close paraphrasing. A QPQ has been provided, but the given review forgot to check for inline citation (only that it was "in the article"), so that will need correction. Not exactly a DYK issue, but the provided review also gave a green tick, even though my understanding of the situation is that it should be at least a question tick since there's an unresolved concern regarding the blue links. KBYR-TV never being built needs a citation. Both of the hooks are cited inline and verified, but ALT1 is very confusing, and would probably baffle non-American readers, so I would suggest going with the first hook. It is a "first" hook, but given contemporary reports say so, it probably satisfies the burden of proof requirement here. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:58, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Let me respond to each of these, Narutolovehinata5. KBYR-TV drops off the table right after they get the permit, as in by the end of 1960. I can't find proof of the permit being deleted, which is unusual. I've reworded to be a little clearer while still having an inline citation. (The fact Anchorage still lacked a "third" TV station by the mid-60s indicates that channel 13 never got going.) I felt that the linking issue, not affecting verbiage or the hook fact itself but merely linking, is not something that should forestall approval; I added a comment there. ALT1 would really be a quirky, but with the Super Bowl within a month, it might fit there, or it could be rewritten like this: ALT1a: ... that Alaska's SuperStation withheld broadcast of two Super Bowls to the Alaskan Bush? Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 04:58, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment — The main hook kind of borders on word salad. More importantly, the GAN reviewer raised concerns about whether the manner of Bill Harpel's death is really so relevant to the overall context that it merits such a prominent mention. Choosing to ignore that advice and finding another venue to push it further confirms what I said about this being a hat-collecting exercise, rather than a sincere attempt to collaborate with fellow editors who have also been involved with building this article over the years.
The alt hook wins points for trying to be clever, but it also forces the reader to click on the article and read the whole thing in order to have the first clue of what it refers to. Items appearing on the Main Page should appeal to the broadest possible audience. A long-ago historical anomaly regarding television programming in a small handful of television markets sharing the same time zone may not be easily understood by a general audience no matter how hard you try. If you really want to go there, explaining the two-week tape delay might be a better way to go, since it had a much broader and longer-lasting impact on the station's history. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 16:13, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT2: ... that the mayor of Anchorage, Alaska, resigned after admitting to an "inappropriate messaging relationship" with a news anchor at a local TV station?
Thanks. I think we can go with ALT3 as an interesting hook, one that is cited inline, and verified in the linked newspaper clipping. ALT2 should be rejected on BLP grounds (and is probably too sensational for DYK anyway). Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:24, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that the song "French Letter" was banned in all French territories due to its anti-nuclear message?
Source: Turner 2024, "Herbs played... in Tahiti, where “French Letter” had been banned, as in all French territories"
ALT1: ... that despite the song French Letter being banned in all French territories, the band Herbs performed it while playing in Tahiti? Source: Turner 2024, "Herbs played... in Tahiti, where “French Letter” had been banned, as in all French territories, but where British French Foreign legionnaires sang along to it when Herbs ignored the ban."
ALT2: ... that despite the song French Letter being banned in all French territories, members of the French Foreign Legion sang along when the band Herbs performed it while playing in Tahiti? Source: Turner 2024, "Herbs played... in Tahiti, where “French Letter” had been banned, as in all French territories, but where British French Foreign legionnaires sang along to it when Herbs ignored the ban."
ALT3: ... that New Zealand radio stations refused to play the song French Letter until it was renamed A Letter to France, due to the title's innuendo? Source: Bourke 1990, "But timid local radio stations could only see a sexual innuendo in the title, and wanted it changed to ‘A Letter to France’ before they’d play it."
ALT4: ... that the song French Letter has become a symbol of New Zealand's strong stance against nuclear weapons? Source: Turner 2024, "It is regularly used today to signal the theme of mainstream radio broadcasts about New Zealand’s strong stance on banning nuclear weapons and nuclear-powered ships"
Comment: Alts 0 through 2 are variations of each other, while 3 and 4 are distinct. Haven't done a QPQ yet as it's late here, but will do one shortly and update this
Created by Turnagra (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 6 past nominations.
Article looks good and Earwig's is clear. I'll only review ALT0 because I think it's the best. First of all I've added bolding to the link. I've also added speech marks because that's how I think songs are supposed to be formatted but do correct if I'm wrong. The hook matches the article. The source says it was banned but it doesn't say the ban was because of the anti-nuclear message. Do you have a source that does say this? Still waiting on a QPQ. ―Panamitsu(talk)06:09, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm, fair point - could've sworn I'd read that but can't seem to find the source again. Perhaps one of the other alts would be better then, as I don't know how good "French letter was banned in all french territories" would be as a hook...
Well it could just say that it was banned in all French territories. ALT1: Interesting, matches source, matches article. ALT4: Interesting, matches source, matches article. ―Panamitsu(talk)22:49, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think I'd prefer ALT2 to ALT1 personally, and ALT4 is probably my least favourite - I put it in in case the other options weren't suitable. Turnagra (talk) 09:13, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that Frank Lloyd Wright paid more for a well at his Taliesin West estate (pictured) than he had paid for the land itself? Source: Secrest, Meryle (1998). Frank Lloyd Wright: A Biography. University of Chicago Press. p. 451.
ALT1: ... that Aladdin was once suggested as a name for Taliesin West(pictured) in Arizona? Source: Levine, Neil (1997). "IX: The Traces of Prehistory at Taliesin West". The Architecture of Frank Lloyd Wright. Princeton University Press. p. 272.
ALT1: ... that the Fatimid Caliphate used their high-quality gold coinage(pictured) as a propaganda and political tool prior to their conquest of Egypt? Source: On use as propaganda tool: Ehrenkreutz & Heck 1986, pp. 145–146; on use as political leverage: Halm 1991, p. 365, Brett 2001, p. 304
ALT2: ... that the widespread and sub-standard imitation of high-quality Fatimid gold coinage(pictured) by the Crusader states may have caused "a loss of confidence in the Fatimid currency"? Source: Sanders 1994, pp. 85–86, with part of the quote in the article itself.
New enough (moved to mainspace), long enough, meets sourcing and neutrality requirements.
I strongly prefer ALT0 to the others as it is simple and (in my opinion) the most interesting to a general audience. It is cited and verified by the source.
The image is appropriate and meets the requirements.
QPQ done.
Cplakidas good to go. My only suggestion is that the link "gold coinage" be expanded to "its gold coinage" since it links to a specific gold coinage rather than "gold coinage" in general. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 19:39, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that up to 1827, University of Oxford students had to vow never to reconcile with Henry Symeonis, although it appears that by the 1650s everyone forgot why or who he even was?
Source: "Even by that time, one suspects that the oath was of such antiquity that no-one knew anything about it and it was thought best to leave it be ... The oath against Henry Symeonis continued in the University’s statutes for centuries after the events of 1264. ... it was finally abolished five and a half centuries later. The records of the decision taken in 1827 are frustratingly brief and unenlightening."[8]
ALT1: ... that the University of Oxford held onto its grudge with a certain Henry Symeonis for five and a half centuries, long after everyone forgot who he even was?
ALT2: ... that the University of Oxford ignored a royal command to reconcile with Henry Symeonis, put the grudge into its statutes, and held onto it for c. 550 years, even after forgetting who he was?
Really interesting article! Well-sourced, long enough, and new enough. QPQ done. All hooks cited and in the article. Though quite long for DYK hooks, I think the subject deserves it. The first hook is the most interesting in my opinion, but maybe replace "1650s" with "17th century" to make it punchier and to hew it closer to the article. Best, Tenpop421 (talk)
Overall: Hook is fine, but I do wonder whether there's something more interesting that could be used? The article mentions Jin's escape being covered daily, inspiring cocktails, and a massive manhunt (or otter hunt, as it were) to try and capture her - not to mention the array of otter-related puns. Happy to sign off the current one if you really want but I reckon there are better options. Turnagra (talk) 17:51, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Overall: The article is neutral, new enough, long enough, and the Earwig tool does not indicate that copyright violations are likely to be present. The claim made in the hook, which is both short enough and interesting, is supported by a citation. Additionally, QPQ has been satisfied. Overall, I see no reason not to approve this DYK submission. JJonahJackalope (talk) 16:18, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I was looking to move some hooks to the prep area when I came across this. I gotta say, I really don't think this meets WP:DYKINT. Two places competing with and lowering their price a bit isn't DYK worthy from my perspective, and I'd expect it to be one of the lower view counts of the month (possibly year) if accepted. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:54, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Article is long enough and was improved to GA article 7 days prior so it is eligible. It is very well sourced and notable and and has no copyright violations. Both hooks are interesting but I think the main hook will draw in more people. QPQ has been done. I think it is good to go DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 14:28, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Overall: Very nice article, well sourced throughout and well written. I changed the hook slightly to include "billed as" to provide more clarity. Ready to go. jolielover♥talk09:29, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1: ... that Cold War-era Polish sci-fi novel Małe zielone ludziki critiques colonialism while portraying "hope for Africa" as reliant on external socialist-communist and anti-colonial influences? Source: same source
Long enough, promoted to GA on 14 January, well-written and within policy. No image. QPQ done. Both hooks are fine and supported by citations to reliable sources. Should be good to go. Yakikaki (talk) 14:18, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1: ... that the dog Private Chesty was demoted from Private First Class for willful destruction of government property? Source: "He was cited for “willfully… ripping and tearing up a everlast striking bag, of value of about $176.80, military property of the United States.”, same source as above, quoting a rap sheet.
Overall: The article is new enough and long enough. Source verifies hook. No copyvio detected. Hook is interesting and cited. QPQ not needed. I removed some cites from the lead. I don't see any other issues here. Both of these hooks work well in my opinion. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 08:45, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Cited: - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith
Interesting:
Other problems: - Thank you for your work on the article! The hook is certainly interesting, but IMO it doesn't provide enough context to the reader, and the article doesn't mention the letter "-H-" anywhere. Are there any other possible hooks?
The article is eligible for DYK (is long enough, recently became a good article and Earwig's is clear). I'm going to just review ALT0 because I think it's the most interesting one, but if you disagree I can review another hook. I can't actually find that fact in the source, but it is in that article and I have verified the Medium article that the article cites. (This one). ―Panamitsu(talk)02:56, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not overly attached to ALT0, but I do think it's interesting that this was the first time that it happened and that it was as early as 1953. TompaDompa (talk) 06:10, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The problem is that "suspected" in ALT0 feels weird. How about:
The suspected detection was in 1943, whereas the first appearance of the fictional planet was in 1953. ALT1a doesn't really make that clear. TompaDompa (talk) 18:29, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
"The detection was in 1943" feels superfluous to the overall concept, which is that the interesting part here is "the (suspected) exoplanet detection occurred decades earlier than the reader expected", right? It's not "Mesklin was created in 1953", which is the essence of your original hook. So how about:
ALT1b works for me. My point was that ALT1a could be interpreted as saying that the suspected detection was in 1953, which is not the case. The interesting part is indeed that "the (suspected) exoplanet detection occurred decades earlier than the reader expected". TompaDompa (talk) 16:13, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Article was promoted to GA recently enough; article is long enough; hook is interesting, cited, and short enough; article is presentable; copyvio detector says 19.7%, which is fine; sourcing is good; article is neutral; QPQ is fine. We're good with ALT1b. DS (talk) 04:19, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Overall: Article is new enough, long enough, neutral and plagiarism free. Hook is cited and interesting - although I wonder if it might be 'hookier' if it was flipped i.e. ... that a venomous ... was discovered by Jill Yager? and put her at the end. I hesitated on the sourcing, as (although I not doubt her notability) it felt a little sparse on secondary material. There's a mention here & I think mentioning she has an eponymous species would be good to, see. I'd like to see a link in the article to her Wikispecies entry too (but that's just me being extra). Overall, great addition! Lajmmoore (talk) 20:31, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that Canadian heritage minister Pascale St-Onge(pictured) was the bassist on an all-lesbian alternative rock quartet from Montreal in the early 2010s?
Overall: Photo's fine, but a bit lackluster and awkward cuz she's visibly in the middle of saying something. I'd chop the hook down to something like ALT1: ... that Canadian heritage minister Pascale St-Onge(pictured) was the bassist on an all-lesbian alternative rock quartet? since the extra info at the end doesn't really add much interest and makes the hook a bit lengthy. AryKun (talk) 18:40, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm fine with that blurb as well, it is more concise without losing key info. I'm also ambivalent on the picture and not going to scrape the video looking for a better freeze frame. It's there if needed. -- Patar knight - chat/contributions04:40, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Overall: Meets all the eligibility guidelines and the hook is interesting and sourced. Proper nouns led to one source having a 25% copyvio hitrate. Did two spot checks for plagiarism with The Pillar and the Crux source without issues. Two quibbles. The Pillar article [9] notes that the Vatican has recently taken over the administration of the IVE because it continues to revere Buela, but our articles ends the story with the continued pro-Buela stance, which leaves with the incorrect impression that the Vatican isn't doing anything about it when that's not the case. Hapy to approve this once resolved. Less importantly, if the French abbey Buela was supposed to be exiled to is Abbaye Sainte-Marie de la Pierre-qui-Vire [fr], than using an interlanguage link there would be nice. -- Patar knight - chat/contributions05:13, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Yes, I didn't want to use "it is said that" for many reasons, but since we will never know the true intention behind the work, and that "The Universe" analysis seems to be the common practice per the museum page, and the English WP:COMMONNAME per the jawiki version and a lot of sources, I have no choice.
ALT1 is just a reworded one. Felt like using the actual article name would confuse people reading the main page, and the title is a bit cluttered.
What an intriguing article. Assuming good faith on the offline/Japanese sources, I think this is just about new and long enough. The proposed hooks are all very interesting, although I personally like ALT2 the most--how often are paintings named like so (and the reader is compelled to click, if only to find out what exactly it's a painting of...). QPQ not required. Great job ABG. KINGofLETTUCE 👑🥬10:39, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Source: ORIGIN STORIES: Signage Dept., by Andrew Marantz, in The New Yorker; Vol. 89, Iss. 24, (Aug 12-Aug 19, 2013) (via ProQuest via the Wikipedia Library) (it was surprisingly difficult to find a proper source for "on Jamaica Avenue")
Comment: Earwig score is high, but that's because I've directly quoted many reviews, and because there are multiple sources analyzing specific lyrics. Also, this should probably be an April 1 hook (if possible, the last one in the set).
Created by DragonflySixtyseven (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 8 past nominations.
Article was new enough at the time of the nomination, it is of an appropriate length, and is free from close paraphrasing (apart from the aforementioned false /positives). A full QPQ was done. The hook is mentioned in the article and is verified in the sources. While I understand that this was proposed for April Fools Day, I am not convinced that this would make a good AFD hook as the hook itself is rather nonsense, and I'm also not convinced this would make a good quirky either. It might only baffle readers rather than encourage clicks. If possible, can you suggest more "normal" hooks instead? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:23, 27 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, but that's the gimmick: the song repeats the line "I'm at the combination Pizza Hut and Taco Bell" over and over. This is why I felt it would be amusing to have as an AFD entry: it's blatantly unlike the rest of them. "That's why there's rules, understand? So that you think before you break 'em." - Lu-TzeDS (talk) 18:30, 27 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Just so I can be sure that I understand you correctly: you're saying that if I want to submit a silly hook for April Fool's Day, it shouldn't be silly? DS (talk) 01:30, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Per WP:DYKAPRIL, see "Proper capitalization, title formatting, and linking standards may be disregarded only if adhering to them will tend to give away the joke. This should be done as little as possible. [...] All other Wikipedia rules and guidelines still apply.".--Launchballer01:57, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Explain why you feel it is 'unlikely to etc'. "the hook itself is rather nonsense" - you read the article. You understand what it means. DS (talk) 02:46, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There are a few issues with the hook. Firstly, even if it were to be accepted as a quirky, the hook is exclusively about a song lyrics. There was an issue before about hooks that were just song lyrics and there was a move to kibosh such proposals since they became overused (Launchballer can explain more about what happened then). Secondly, even without the issue regarding song lyrics hooks, one could argue that the hook as currently written fails WP:DYKFICTION as it's talking about an event that only happens in the context of the song (and thus a work of fiction). Now, one can disagree on the intricacies of DYKFICTION, but that's the current stance here. Thirdly, there are the other issues raised, including WP:PRONOUN. Finally, the hook as read makes no sense to the reader. What does it mean that the speaker is "at the combination Pizza Hut and Taco Bell on Jamaica Avenue"? Well the meaning is self-evident, but what's the context? How is the hook encyclopedic? It may also be worth reading WP:QUIRKY: Note that quirky hooks still need to meet the regular guidelines on sourcing and accuracy: quality and truthfulness should not be sacrificed for the sake of being quirky. I understand you really want this to run on April Fools Day and to use that particular hook, but for various reasons it just doesn't seem feasible. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:20, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That's a technicality. It would be like having a hook about Fly Me to the Moon that was about flying to the moon playing among the stars, and claiming the hook isn't in-universe because the moon, the stars, Jupiter, Mars, etc. actually exist. The point is that the hook as currently written, and arguably the angle itself, are unlikely to fly. Are you willing to propose completely different hooks/angles? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:48, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The reason I used the <small> tag was to indicate that I was "speaking softly" - as in, not making a serious contribution to the conversation. It's humor value. If you genuinely didn't understand that, and also don't understand the hook, then perhaps you're not the best person to be reviewing this one. Can you explain why you don't think "silly and weird" is appropriate for April Fool's Day, without pointing to policy which can be obviated for the sake of IAR? DS (talk) 02:05, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@DragonflySixtyseven: For what it's worth, it wasn't just me who objected to the hook but Launchballer as well. I also mentioned above that the hook was unsuitable for several reasons, not all of which was related to it being "nonsense". You, for example, did not acknowledge the concern about DYK's opposition to hooks that are solely song lyrics, nor the one regarding the use of pronouns. April Fools Day is not a blanket justification to ignore all rules, guidelines still have to be followed, as Launchballer mentioned. You are essentially saying we must ignore the rules just because it's AFD, when neither DYK nor AFD work that way. Again, WP:DYKQUIRKY also applies here: regular guidelines still apply even in the case of quirky hooks. Again: are you willing to propose a "normal" hook, or are you not? Because if you are not, the nomination will be marked for closure, as the hook you want is unsuitable and would likely fall under scrutiny at WT:DYK even if another editor were to approve it. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:15, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oh my goodness. Death by a thousand cuts. Eh, OK. "PRONOUN" applies to article writing; a hook is not an article, so that is not a valid argument. The hook is not nonsense, obviously. I don't see how "Proper capitalization, title formatting, and linking standards" are violated in this hook. I don't know that the hook is "about" a song lyric; one might argue that it is a song lyric, of course, but first of all it's a hook, a shiny thing to attract fish. I've never seen issues with song lyrics, and I doubt that this particular hook is going to open up the floodgates for further abuse, if this is abuse in the first place. "The regular guidelines on sourcing and accuracy" don't seem to be violated here at all (it's sourced, it's accurate), nor are "quality and truthfulness...sacrificed". I mean, how? I think the real complaint here is that it is "in-fiction", but I don't think that's a valid complaint, and as for "missing context", that's another argument I don't really understand if we're talking about hooks. My own DYKs are boring as hell compared to this one, but I did get "DYK that 'sorcery for your vagina' can result in second-degree burns?" on the front page, with 8,500 hits--and what context was there? I still don't see which "regular" guidelines forbid this, and I believe we should let this ride on April Fools. Drmies (talk) 02:36, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It's not that it could lead to abuse. Rather, there's precedent against such hooks, and I don't see why an exception should be made even if it is for AFD. The "hooks that are just song lyrics" issue was actually quite a big deal on DYK a while back, and there was a discussion about it that ultimately led to such hooks being kiboshed moving forward. I actually do think the hook would do well if it were to run, but just because it's a good hook doesn't mean that guidelines have to be ignored. DYK doesn't work like that, even for AFD let alone for quirkies. You personally may not have an issue with lyrics hooks, but others did, hence the discussions.
This doesn't necessarily mean that the idea behind the hook is unsalvageable, just that the original hook as written is probably unsuitable for DYK. That doesn't rule out proposing more "normal" hooks that still revolve around the general idea about being at the combination restaurant while still following the guidelines. Honestly I'm a bit stunned at the apparent insistence on the proposed hook instead of proposing alternatives or even perhaps a compromise option. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:45, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Normally I have no problem with adjusting hooks, with reaching into the article and dragging out another, better fact to serve as a replacement.
Here, however, the point of the song is that it repeats the same line over and over and over and over.
Repeating the same line over and over and over and over, is what the song is about.
Repeating the same line over and over and over and over, is what made the song a success.
Repeating the same line over and over and over, has been mentioned in just about every single review I was able to find of the song (which is, in case you hadn't realized, about repeating the same line over and over and over and over). Some reviews (which I have cited) say that repeating the same line over and over and over and over makes the song meaningless. Other reviews (which I have cited) say that repeating the same line over and over and over and over makes the song much more meaningful. Still others (which I have also cited) say that repeating the same line over and over and over and over makes it simultaneously meaningful and meaningless.
Repeating the same line over and over and over and over is also at the center of the two scholarly analyses I found of the song, which both address the fact that the song repeats the same line over and over and over and over.
Repeating the same line over and over and over and over is what got the band their initial reputation as a novelty act. (I have a cited source for that)
Repeating the same line over and over and over and over is what made the song popular on Tiktok 14 years after its initial status as a smash hit. (I have a cited source for that)
Repeating the same line over and over and over and over is why, when Suri and Vazquez were interviewed by the Village Voice (which is one of my cited sources), Suri said that his five favorite poetic devices are "repetition, repetition, repetition, repetition, and repetition", and Vazquez said that his five favorite poetic devices are "repetition, repetition, repetition, repetition, and plagiarism".
Repeating the same line over and over and over and over... is the joke.
Therefore, the intention of having the hook be yet another example of repeating the same line over and over and over and over, is to imply that there is some sort of ridiculous memetic contagion or something, such that the Interesting Fact that can be extracted from the article and put on display is... another example of repeating the same line over and over and over and over. That's the joke. It's a joke about repeating the same line over and over and over and over.
If the hook is not an example of repeating the same line over and over and over and over, then you have killed the joke, because the joke is about repeating the same line over and over and over and over.
This is why I am intent on having the hook be, specifically, an example of repeating that one line from the song over and over and over and over. Because that is the joke. On a normal day, of course, this would be less than appropriate at best, and flatly unacceptable at worst. But that's why I recommended that it be saved for April Fool's Day. Because that's a day for silliness, and making the DYK hook into yet another example of repeating the line over and over and over and over, is silly.
You mentioned that you don't see why people would click the link, which is an example of repeating the same line over and over and over and over. If one recognizes the song—as a great many people do, because it was very, very, very successful in 2008, and launched Suri and Vazquez's careers, and had a resurgence in popularity on TikTok in 2020, with over 400,000 separate videos that used audio from the song —then one will click on the link because one wants to see what Wikipedia has to say about the song (which is about repeating the same line over and over and over and over). If one doesn't recognize the song, then a modicum of familiarity with Wikipedia's main page will at least enable one to recognize how ridiculously unlike a standard DYK entry it is; combined with the knowledge that it is April Fool's Day, this will lead people to click the link to figure out what the hell is going on. "The mouseover indicates that it's the name of a restaurant?" a putative reader might say. "A Wikipedia article about a restaurant... uh? That's not interesting... except... why is it saying that ''I'm at the combination Pizza Hut and Taco Bell'? That doesn't make sense... Who is 'I'?"
and then, because this would be April Fool's Day, they will click the link to understand what the hell is going on. At which point, they will realize that the hook they were just confused by, is an example of repeating that one line from the song over and over and over and over.
The one point on which I'm open to negotiation is whether the phrase "on Jamaica Avenue" should be included, because, although the song does specify that Suri and Vazquez are in not just any combination Pizza Hut and Taco Bell, but in the combination Pizza Hut and Taco Bell on Jamaica Avenue, that is not part of the line that gets repeated over and over and over and over; rather, "Jamaica Avenue" is mentioned only six times (as opposed to "I'm at the combination Pizza Hut and Taco Bell", which occurs 20 times, and I have a cited source for that fact), and only one of those times is in the full phrase "the combination Pizza Hut and Taco Bell on Jamaica Avenue". However, I feel that including the phrase "on Jamaica Avenue" makes the hook feel... more "Wikipedia-ish".
@DragonflySixtyseven: Unfortunately, the hook already has multiple issues, and as mentioned above, April Fools Day is not a blanket reason to disregard or ignore rules. I don't want to sound like a broken record, but even if the "makes sense" issues are ignored, there are still other concerns with the hook. There are the use of the pronoun, its in-universe nature, and again, DYK's disdain for hooks that are purely song lyrics. Indeed, just WP:DYKFICTION alone would be enough to sink the hook since it's talking about a event that takes place within the universe of the song (and thus fails the guideline). DYKFICTION is a guideline that is taken seriously by editors, and the fact that the combination Pizza Hut/Taco Bell exists in real life would not be enough to meet the real-life connection criterion. See my earlier example with Fly Me to the Moon to see what I mean. And no, just because it runs on AFD doesn't mean that actual established guidelines will have to be ignored. AFD does not automatically mean IAR. If you are truly not willing to propose an alternative hook, especially when two editors have objected to the original, then unfortunately the nomination is marked for closure for lack of an acceptable hook. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:38, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Having said that, if you are willing to accept any of these other options:
ALT1 ... that a song whose lyrics primarily revolve around being at a combination Pizza Hut and Taco Bell has been used in over 400,000 TikTok videos?
ALT2 ... that a song whose lyrics primarily revolve around being at a combination Pizza Hut and Taco Bell has been used in TikTok videos dealing with ADHD and depression?
ALT3 ... that hip hop group Das Racist produced a song whose lyrics primarily revolve around being at a combination Pizza Hut and Taco Bell?
Then the nomination could continue. ALT3 is probably the closest to the original hook's intent, and if that hook could be reworded to make the repeating lyrics aspect, that would essentially solve the original hook's issues and meet the guidelines better, while still ultimately conveying the same hook fact or idea. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:59, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That's also a good hook. Would like to hear Drmies' thoughts on it first given they really liked the original hook. If you really don't want to use ALT1-ALT3, then I can approve ALT4 once we hear back from Drmies, because if you think ALT1-ALT3 are possible then we will need a new reviewer to give the final tick. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:13, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I'm just really, really disappointed. Indeed the joke is murdered with a non-factual statement, "the hook already has multiple issues", issues which were countered by two experienced article and DYK writers. User:Narutolovehinata5, "the rules"--I have shown above why I do not believe at all that any rules are legitimately cited here in objection, and I'll repeat that the personal pronoun thing, which is the crux here, applies to articles, not to DYK hooks. Again, it's just very disappointing. DS, your ALT4 is more interesting than the others. Good luck with it. Drmies (talk) 13:22, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm ready to approve ALT4. My concern with it is that the relevant sentence in the article is really really long and arguably a run-on. It's not clear where the footnote should even go because the sentence is that long. I suggest breaking that part into multiple sentences, with the supporting reference to The Tartan being found at the exact sentence mentioning Quintillian. I've checked the source and the information is verified, so this will be approved once this is resolved. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:27, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Other problems: - There is a minor discrepancy between the hook and article. The hook says that the hospital was "reportedly" the largest, and the main body of the article cites a historian as saying that it was the largest, which is fine. However, the lead of the article says "In the 1850s, the State Emigrant Refuge and Hospital was the largest hospital complex in the world", without specifying that it was reportedly the largest or that this was a claim made by a historian. I'd just add "reportedly" to the lead to fix this.
QPQ: None required.
Overall: @DefeatingLine: Nice work on this article. I just had one concern above, but everything else checks out. Epicgenius (talk) 15:14, 24 January 2025 (UTC)
User:Epicgenius Hey, thanks for taking the time to review my nomination! Regarding the issue you identified, the sources cited in the article (including Gotham, pg. 738) all state as fact that the hospital was the largest. I wrote "reportedly" only because I have not myself verified this claim, which was as far as I can tell originally made by historian John Duffy. Following the sources, which all accept this claim, would it therefore be better to remove "reportedly" from the hook as too much of an editorial insertion by myself? I assume I should follow what the sources actually say, which is that it was the largest, even if I can't verify the claim myself with reference to primary sources. Let me know what you think. DefeatingLine (talk) 18:46, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
DefeatingLine, thanks for explaining your reasoning, I appreciate it. I would recommend one of two things. If modern sources all agree that this was the largest hospital complex in the world at the time, which seems to be the case here, then I would remove "reportedly". In a worst case scenario, I would say "that according to one author, from 1853 to 1855 the State Emigrant Refuge and Hospital on Wards Island in New York was the largest hospital complex in the world?" However, if modern sources disagree, I'd explain as such in the article. Epicgenius (talk) 19:48, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
User:Epicgenius Thank you for the feedback! The sources all agree in calling it the largest hospital in the world during the mid 1850s. Following the sources, therefore, I will remove "reportedly" from the hook. This is my first DYK nomination, so I appreciate you taking the time to help me with it. DefeatingLine (talk) 23:26, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that Bill Pulte is the self-described "Inventor of Twitter Philanthropy"?
Source: Detroit Free Press ("Pulte calls himself the 'Inventor of Twitter Philanthropy' in his Twitter bio and presents the outward manner in real life of a man two decades older.")
Overall: Sized at 2238 B and created seven days before nom. The 23.7% Earwig score is from a large quote. Made sure everything was verified. ミラP@Miraclepine16:35, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Sammi Brie: ALT0 says that a relatively unknown news anchor eulogizes his boss. That doesn't grab my attention. I initially rejected ALT2 because it was early in Couric's reporting career; not a surprise she wasn't ready for anchor. If "later" was removed, it might be more interesting. We can go with whatever you choose. Mgrē@sŏn (Talk)
@Mgreason: Reworded ALT1. I can see how ALT0 is a recognizability issue. By the way, pings don't work without a timestamp. I do have an ALT3 idea now that might be a little lighter and more approachable: Sammi Brie (she/her · t · c) 03:42, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT3: ... that the movies available to Florida's first TV station were so bad early on that the host called his show "The P.U. Club"? [10]
Overall: Article is new enough and long enough. Earwig doesn't spot any issues. Hook fact is unfortunately not supported by the source; it only says that the Francisco Mascarenhas was governor during this time, rather than the tapestries being dated to that period. It's a logical inference, but still not supported. Image has issues; it's far too detailed to really do justice at 100px. I'd recommend running without it. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 23:34, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that statements about the character Ridley's reasons for not being in the fighting game series Super Smash Bros. led to internet memes about the character's large size?
"Over the years, these words have been interpreted and re-interpreted by the community, which broadly settled on the notion that Ridley wasn’t playable because he was too big."
"When it became apparent that he wouldn’t be on Smash 4's initial roster, people mourned with an outpouring of half-ironic, half-sincere memes."
"For the past couple months, places like the Smash subreddit, Twitter, and Tumblr have seen new Ridley and Ridley-adjacent topics and memes on a near-daily basis. People comparing his size to Bowser and pondering why he couldn’t just be shrunken down a little—or even turned into a baby. People pre-mourning because they were certain Nintendo would skip Ridley again. People asking if the whole thing came from a place of sincerity, or if it was just a never-ending maze of memes"
Article has no issues as far as I see and is in good shape. QPQ has been done. I think the first hook is more interesting but could potentially be shortened. I am a fan of the second hook too but I think maybe rewording it to something like "character artist Mike Sneath took "about 20 to 25 days" to model and texture Ridley's re-appearance in the game Metroid Prime?" Overall well done 😊 DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 15:12, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
QPQ done, no copyvio concerns, hook is verified, interesting, and short enough, and the article is new and long enough. Shame we can't make this a photo DYK. I do have concerns over original research in the article - especially the note that reads See Hayes 2011.[1] In spite of Hayes, there is no verifiable evidence indicating that the photo was actually published in the Daily Mirror or anywhere else during that time frame. It is possible the newspaper archives were destroyed during the war, the photo was published in an altogether different newspaper, or the relevant records are not available to the public. There isn't a reliable source to challenge this claim. In addition, a few paragraphs go an awfully long time before reaching their inline citation, especially in this section, so spreading them out more frequently would be greatly appreciated. Other than that, no concerns. Departure– (talk) 20:34, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Departure–: I've had multiple people try to track down the provenance of the initial photo when it was first published after 9 Oct. 1940. There's no evidence that it appears in the Daily Mirroror anywhere else for that matter. I don't think we should publish this claim without a footnote noting that the provenance is suspect. Reporters make mistakes, and while it is not our job to correct them, neither is it our job to act as unquestioning stenographers. It is claimed that the photo was published by Daily Mirror, but there is no public evidence to support this. How do you think we should note this? Occam's Razor would suggest that due to the complexity of the Hulton photo archive changing hands so many times, the paper trail was lost or distorted, resulting in this error. Viriditas (talk) 21:13, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Note, I think it's a safe bet that the reporter misread the statement about the Daily Mirror in this article and connected the two together by accident. I will remove the claim in its entirety. Viriditas (talk) 21:29, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that the Texas nipple cactus(pictured) is so easy to grow that connoisseurs look down on it?
Source: "Mammillaria prolifera is one of the most well-known, widespread, easy to cultivate Mammillaria species, almost looked down upon by the connoisseurs of the genus, but nonetheless one of the most rewarding in the genus to grow." (Pilbeam 2000)
Interesting plant, nice expansion on good sources. The image is licensed, great and attractive, showing what is special about the cactus: flowers and fruit together. Why the hook is using "look down" I don't know but if that's what you want to say I go along. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:49, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I read the Kerrang! piece, and they made it sound exciting there, but this simplifies to "the band was ready to perform on schedule". What if we add more details (that aren't currently in the article), like the fact that they had to re-download the files for the performance, live, on stage, while the presenter was announcing them? DS (talk) 18:24, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hooks are supposed to be tight, but I can suggest ALT1: ... that technical issues in the minute before their November 2024 BBC Radio 1 performance meant that South Arcade had to set up while the presenter was announcing them?--Launchballer20:06, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Length is good. Newness is good - moved out of draftspace. I'm not thrilled with source #1, as it's not independent, but it's only being used to support their year of formation, and you've properly established notability. I'm similarly <frown/> re: citing their "supporting tours" to their social media, and would be more pleased if you had some more non-them sources. Citing their discography to Spotify... that's pretty standard, I think? Earwig says 17%, which is fine. Hook is cited and hooky. No pic. QPQ is fine. If you can address those issues, we'll be good with ALT1. DS (talk) 22:37, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I was under the impression there was significantly more latitude given to non-prose content, but I've replaced one ref and taken out three others.--Launchballer15:44, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Source: "From Isabel Coursier to Nels Nelsen: Revelstoke's pioneers on a pair of skis". Revelstoke Review., “Isabel Patricia Coursier was born in Revelstoke on March 21, 1906…At the Revelstoke Ski Tournament on February 7, 1922, over a month before her 16th birthday, Isabel participated in the Boy’s Class D Jump and came in third with 108.5 points, and a jump of 84 feet. This made her the women’s world champion ski-jumper.”
"Sliding, Gliding and Soaring: A history of skiing in Revelstoke, British Columbia". Revelstoke Museum & Archives. p. 18. “In 1922, at the age of 16, Isabel Coursier debuted on the Big Hill, jumping with the boys for a distance of 84 feet and setting a world record…In 1923, Coursier was presented with a Gold Medal by the Revelstoke Ski Club in appreciation of the skill and daring displayed by the only lady ski jumper in America.” (Note: Source rounded up her age)
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Comment: This is my first DYK nomination so feedback is greatly appreciated
Created by Pyropylon98 (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
I just realized that I moved the article to the mainspace today (Jan 18) and not yesterday (Jan 17). I guess it’s not too big of a deal, I just mindblanked on when I created the article when submitting this nom. —Pyropylon98 (talk • contribs) 23:47, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
None of the sources seem unreliable to me, I will assume good faith on the Polish one since I cannot read Polish. Quid pro quo is not required as this is the nominator's first DYK. WP:EARWIG finds no copyright violations. Page is new enough and long enough. Hook is definitely interesting. Looks good to me! Di (they-them) (talk) 21:35, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that the artist Fang Rending was likened to caged chicken after rebelling against his teacher?
Source: Zhu Haoyun (朱浩云) (20 December 2021). 岭南画派方人定的艺术及市场走向 [The Art and Market Trends of Fang Rending of the Lingnan School]. The Paper (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 17 June 2024. Retrieved 17 January 2025.
@Crisco 1492: New enough and long enough. Article is well sourced, neutral and doesn't have copyright concerns. Hook is short, interesting enough and verified (not just AGF, I read the Chinese article myself). I need to wait for the QPQ before I can give this a pass though. S5A-0043🚎(Leave a message here)03:04, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The article is new/long enough and Earwig's is clear. Both hooks are interesting. Although the Cave Rock link should be bolded in both of them so I've added the bolding. It matches the source and article so it is good. ALT1: I've added a comma after "New Zealand" to follow MOS:GEOCOMMA. The hook matches the source and article. Everything looks good to me. ―Panamitsu(talk)22:20, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT2: ... that a Doctor Who story used the largest staged fire in a BBC studio at the time of its release? Source: Wright, Mark, ed. (2016). "Planet of Evil, Pyramids of Mars, The Android Invasion and The Brain of Morbius". Doctor Who: The Complete History (24). London: Panini Comics, Hachette Partworks, page=57
Reviewed:
Improved to Good Article status by DoctorWhoFan91 (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
Overall: Outstanding article in terms of length, sourcing, illustration, etc. While a Good Article now, I still made sure to check each box individually, and each pass with flying colors. For hook preference, my personal opinion is that ALT0 is the least interesting of the bunch, at least in comparison to ALT1 and ALT2, but that's just me. Keep up the good work! Johnson52406:15, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Source: "Swen Swenson emigrated from Hallingdal. Norway, in 1857, together with his parents. four brothers and a sister. [...] Mr. Swenson took a leading part in all matters pertaining to the development and the welfare of the community; in agriculture, drainage. road building. stock breeding" Gresham, William G., ed. (1916)." Gresham, William G., ed. (1916). History of Nicollet and LeSueur Counties, Minnesota (2 ed.). Indianapolis: B. F. Bowen & Company, Inc. pp. 470–472. Retrieved January 16, 2025.
ALT1: ... that Swen Swenson was considered a pioneer in advocating for a drainage system in Nicollet County? Source: "Mr. Swenson took a leading part in all matters pertaining to the development and the welfare of the community; in agriculture, drainage. road building. stock breeding" Gresham, William G., ed. (1916). History of Nicollet and LeSueur Counties, Minnesota (2 ed.). Indianapolis: B. F. Bowen & Company, Inc. pp. 470–472. Retrieved January 16, 2025.
Reviewed: [[]]
Created by Roc0ast3r (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
Article is new enough, no QPQ needed, no copyvio concerns, no neutrality / sourcing / other concerns (my only minor concern is the amount of redlinks, but it's not enough to stop the DYK). The hook is verified. However, I don't think it's interesting. How about...
@Departure–: Thanks for the interesting expansion to the hook. I've added it as the lead hook for this nomination with a quote to the source, and made the text of the last link to the original page name New Sweden, Minnesota. Just leaving it as New Sweden might be misleading to some people (Sweden). Since this is my first DYK nom, I'm not that sure of the norms, so please correct me: Is there any particular reason to not link to Norway?
@Bunnypranav: Norway shouldn't be linked because ITN doesn't require well-known terms and locations to be linked. In addition, the modern country of Norway didn't exist, and at the time of Swenson's birth it was in a union with Sweden. The Minnesota disambiguator after New Sweden probably isn't needed, as just New Sweden alone would bring up the hook's interest, while simultaneously not being misleading (New Sweden is in Nicollet County). New Sweden was an obscure failed colonial project, and New Sweden is a still-existing populated place in Minnesota, so there isn't too much chance of misleading readers.
Much less do I think that New Sweden (the colonial project) would be able to establish a system of governance like the USA's county system. Departure– (talk) 14:13, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Departure–: Noted, and I have removed the disambiguator. Thanks for clarifying!
Overall: All hooks are sourced, I don't think ALT1 is necessarily interesting so I would prefer to only pass ALT0, ALT2, and ALT3. A minor plagiarism issue in the article that can be fixed easily. All sources are placed after their respective sentences in prose. Prose is long enough. Locust member (talk) 21:15, 26 January 2025 (UTC).[reply]
@Locust member: Thank you so much for the review! :) I have fixed the quote issue, though I am wondering whether to revert this revision [19] as I am worried that this is important to readers. I personally prefer ALT0 or ALT2. Thank you again :) DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 21:37, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Looks good now, DaniloDaysOfOurLives! I think that it is fine to keep it as you just edited because Luke and Laura's cultural impact is still mentioned in the next sentence. This looks good to go now! Passing ALT0, ALT2, and ALT3 Locust member (talk) 22:05, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that on 18 February 1478, the King of England had his own brother executed in the Tower of London, probably by drowning in a butt of malmsey? Source: * Hicks, M. A. (1980). False, Fleeting, Perjur'd Clarence: George, Duke of Clarence 1449–1478. Gloucester: Alan Sutton. pp. 200–204. ISBN978-1-87304-113-0.* Ross, C. D. (1974). Edward IV. Berkeley: University of California Press. p. 241. OCLC1259845.
Comment: This is the most obvious hook, as the story of "Butt of malmsey Clarence" is known to many, through Shakespeare, although perhaps not the historical basis for the tale.
Created by Serial Number 54129 (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 44 past nominations.
Hook is very interesting! Article looks good, and was created within 7 days of nomination. QPQ checks out. Offline source accepted in good faith. To be less wordy, might I suggest ALT1: ... that Edward IV had his own brother executed in the Tower of London, probably by drowning in a butt of malmsey?
@Sammi Brie: This is my first DYK hook review, so let me know if anything's improper with my assessment. Article was promoted to GA status in the last seven days, and is long enough. Cited hook is interesting, short enough, and verifiable by the source. QPQ has been done. My one issue is that the source used in this DYK hook isn't cited in the article at all from what I can see, and the claim is instead cited to a different source in the article. This needs to be changed per WP:DYKCITE, which requires the claim to be cited in the article body with the same source used in the article. Once this is remedied this should be good to go. Magneton Considerer:Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 01:09, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that Fuzhou Road(pictured) was once the centre of the Chinese publishing industry?
Source: 福州路文化街 [Fuzhou Road Cultural Street] (in Chinese). Huangpu District Government. Archived from the original on 18 January 2025. Retrieved 18 January 2025.
ALT1: ... that one could go to work, browse books, grab a bite to eat, hire a prostitute, and smoke opium without leaving Fuzhou Road(pictured)? Source: 福州路文化街 [Fuzhou Road Cultural Street] (in Chinese). Huangpu District Government. Archived from the original on 18 January 2025. Retrieved 18 January 2025.
This is a new article, which is well written, well referenced to reliable sources, and of an appropriate length. There are no copyvio issues (confirmed by reading the sources in English-language translation). The image is in the public domain, and works at a small size. The two hooks are interesting, and verified by the source(s). Both would work, but ALT0 has the advantage of being shorter. QPQ has been done. Nice work! Chaiten1 (talk) 13:23, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Overall: New enough, long enough. Hook facts are cited and interesting. Earwig gives no issues. No QPQ required, but with your current rate that won't be true long. Good to go! — Chris Woodrich (talk) 16:51, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Clear at 100px: - The details of the photograph's subject are not clear.
QPQ: Done.
Overall: Approving the hook but not the accompanying image. The article is well-written and citations 1, 4, 5, 6, 13, and 14 were spot-checked with no issues arising.
The image provided for the hook is likely to be public domain in the U.S. and internationally, but this is not certain given the accompanying license and lack of publication details in the source provided. Regardless, the image itself is not of great quality due to the limitations of the photographer at the time. The shadows are intense to the point where the outline of Barrett's body is hard to make out. Not having the photograph may take away from the hook, but I don't think it's absolutely necessary. The promoter is welcome to disagree with this assessment.
Further, I personally find the hook interesting because it's apparent to me that playing high-contact sports with glasses is dangerous, but this might not be apparent to every reader and thus the hook might come off as unexceptional. If the promoter leans towards the latter assessment, then I suggest the nominator come up with an alternate hook that mentions the fact that he supposedly wore unshatterable glasses. Otherwise, the nomination passes without the accompanying image (under my assessment). Yue🌙06:27, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I love archaeology and locality articles outside of the Anglosphere, and this has both. Pengkalan Kempas just barely scrapes by 5x expansion fails on prose size but succeeds on word count; I'm inclined to give it here, but literally adding a couple words from a source could prevent problems here. Pengkalan Kempas Historical Complex is fine though. Both articles show no sign of copyvio and are in good shape. The hook checks out and is cited within Pengkalan Kempas (the same article is used in the archaeological site article but the hook fact is not explicitly stated - that might be good context to add.) QPQs are good. Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 07:50, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Someone found the original papers. I've added a sentence which is more than two words, so that should remove that edge case. CMD (talk) 11:14, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1: ... that the Chinese silent film Lustrous Pearls has been described as blurring the differences between male and female bodies through long shots? Source: Zhang, Zhen (2005). An Amorous History of the Silver Screen: Shanghai Cinema, 1896–1937. Chicago: University of Chicago Press. ISBN978-0-226-98238-0. The latter film is emphatically about the the mobile, indestructible heroine bodies that dare challenge any natural or artificial obstacles. The film is permeated with too many long shots of feet and legs on the move and of bodies wrestling to tell the difference between the female and male characters.
Overall: Article created on 19 January, and meets the length requirement. The sources are, as far as I can tell, reliable for the information they are cited for—but I would note that basing the entire article on the primary source and a single secondary source is not ideal. There are no obvious neutrality issues. Earwig reveals no copyvio and I didn't spot any instances of unacceptably WP:Close paraphrasing. Both hooks are interesting enough (though I find both borderline) but ALT0 is not properly sourced in the article (see below) and I would like to the "long shot" question (see below) to be resolved before I approve ALT1. QPQ has been done. Some comments about the content:
The film used few intertitles, though these were presented in both English and Chinese – I don't find this on page 152 of the cited source? Did you mean to cite some other page?
The intertitles were [...] presented in an ornate Art Nouveau style. – ditto.
Although the film is set in a rural fishing village, various markers of modernity are presented, including European-style riding breeches and concrete structures. – ditto.
Huaju had established a reputation for making such "modern costume dramas" – the exact quote from the source is "modern-costume romance".
It seems to me that the citation to pp. 187–188 should be to pp. 188–189 and the p. 188 one to p. 189.
obscured through long shots of movement and fighting – does the source mean "long shot" in the sense of a wide shot or a long take here? I've seen it used to mean both and it's not entirely clear to me from context which is meant (I would have thought that close-up shots with rapid cuts would be more effective at producing this effect?). An alternative here would be to make a vaguer reference of some kind (e.g. "the way the scenes are shot" or similar).
Intertitles: You're right, should have been page 187 (the bilingual intertitle cards in Lustrous Pearls are kept to a minimum,)
Art Nouveau: Also 187
Markers of Modernity: Ditto. Seems I lost track of my page when writing that paragraph.
It's not a direct quote, but rather to indicate that the genre is non-standard (i.e., in contrast with contemporary producers of wuxia, who favoured traditional costumes). That being said, I have changed it to the exact quote.
As for sources, unfortunately 夜明珠 is quite common on the Chinese internet in reference to pearls. The string thus brings back a lot of fluff, though this snippet suggests a staircase was borrowed from another film (not in the available snippet); and this one has some plot and a cast list, which is already available in English with Zhang. A lot of other sources referring to specific works seem to be making reference to a novel/story about a young man who becomes obsessed with a Shanghainese dancer, which is obviously a different work. In English, Bao mentions that Zhang showcased his swimming abilities in several films, including this one, which is not quite about the film and probably WP:UNDUE. This is already a solid review of the available literature that I can read. There would likely be reviews and whatnot in the archived copies of Shen Bao and other contemporary newspapers, but with OCR on Chinese not being the best in these archives as well as no specific date of release, looking for them would be a needle in a haystack. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 14:32, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that a set of 12th-century murals(pictured) in Finja Church is the main achievement of a workshop which decorated at least 10 other churches? Source: Lindgren 1995, p. 312
Article is new enough and long enough. The sources used are reliable and primarily academic, due to language/availability barriers I will assume good faith on the offline/Swedish sources. I see no neutrality issues or potential copyvios. The hook is interesting, short enough and sourced with an inline citation. I have added a link to Church murals in Sweden as it's a good article, although it might be too much of an easter egg to be linked to a single word so fine if it's removed. QPQ is done, the image is used in the article and is correctly licensed. Potentially either this or File:Finja detlaj av norra väggen.jpg could be alternative images that make the murals more visible at smaller resolutions. Thanks for the article Yakikaki! ITBF📢11:11, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the kind and constructive review! I'm fine with changing the picture in the article and the nomination if anyone thinks some other is better, no problem. Yakikaki (talk) 11:55, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that Los Angeles's Hollyhock House was built for someone who lived there for only one year? Source: Kaplan, Sam Hall (February 6, 1988). "Wright Stuff-In and Out of the Gallery". Los Angeles Times. p. 4.
ALT1: ... that Frank Lloyd Wright once sent sheriffs to repossess two Japanese screens at Los Angeles's Hollyhock House? Source: Hoffmann, Donald (2011). Frank Lloyd Wright's Hollyhock House: The Illustrated Story of an Architectural Masterpiece. Dover Publications. p. 100.
ALT3: ... that Hollyhock House's living room has a moat? Source: Smith, Gordon (July 15, 2005). "Wright". Daily Breeze. p. K22.
ALT4: ... that Hollyhock House was the first house in Los Angeles designed by Frank Lloyd Wright? Source: Rivera, Carla (May 30, 2000). "Popular Barnsdall Art Park Prepares to Close for Up to Year for Upgrade". Los Angeles Times. pp. B11, B16.
New enough, long enough, no copyvio in article, hook is properly sourced (found the article using Wikipedia Library), image is properly licensed to my understanding of the copyright of it. I fixed a typo in the main hook. I think I lean towards preferring the main hook, although the other hooks are also interesting. I haven't verified the ALT1 or ALT4 hooks though. seefooddiet (talk) 03:39, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1: ... that a Taiwanese livestreamer accidentally solved a missing person's case? Source: https://www.ettoday.net/news/20201109/1850439.htm "直播主「晚安小雞」於7日凌晨，至大同區廢棄醫院探險，赫然發現一具上吊屍體，且不知是否因懸吊時間過久，上、下半身更已風乾分離，警方獲報到場，比對出屍體為一失蹤男性，送往二殯後，也報請士林檢察官相驗；據直播主透露，家屬報了一年多失蹤，終於尋回家人，對此非常感激。" -> "The livestreamer "Goodnight Chicken" went to an abandoned hospital in Datong District to explore in the early morning of the 7th, and surprisingly found a hanged body. It was unknown whether the upper and lower body had been dried and separated due to being hung for too long. The police were reported to the scene. The body was found to be that of a missing man. After it was sent to the second funeral, it was also reported to the Shilin prosecutor for examination. According to the live broadcast host, the family members reported missing for more than a year and were finally found. They were very grateful for this."
Comment: Lots of interesting things about this guy, he's most notable for faking his own kidnapping but I wasn't sure how to frame it exactly in a hook.
Created by Jolielover (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 7 past nominations.
Overall: The ALT0 is negative and against WP:DYKBLP, so ALT1 is the one I'm taking. The only problem is the controveries section, I suggest removing the "controveries" section header of the article. When that fixed, this is good to go. (Note: this is my first time reviewing, second opinion is open) Warm Regards, Miminity (Talk?) (me contribs) 08:10, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Overall: Article recently passed its GA nomination; all of its text is sourced and Earwig only flags minor instances of similar text.[22] The citations for the hooks can be found in the article (but please, in future DYK noms, provide the hooks in the DYK submission itself; it makes verification easier). I think ALTs 1 and 2 are interesting, but I can't say the same about ALT0 (it just doesn't strike me as a particularly unique factoid). Picture is freely licensed under the CreativeCommons by its creator, and is clear at a small size. QPQ has already been satisfied. I approve AL1 and ALT2. --Grnrchst (talk) 09:42, 21 January 2025 (UTC) Grnrchst (talk) 09:42, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that while George Rolph (pictured) sued six of his assailants in the Ancaster incident for ₤1000 each, the trial only awarded him ₤20 from two of the assailants?
Source: Petty, Ross (2022). "The 1826 Ancaster Tar and Feathers Outrage: Three Defendants' Perspectives"
... that in 1990, the North Korean prime minister ate at a restaurant in Seoul twice? Source: [23] "1990년에는 북한 총리 연형묵이 서울 체류 동안 두 번이나 용금옥 추탕을 먹고 간 일도 있었다." -> "In 1990, North Korean prime minister Yon Hyong-muk at Yonggeumok chueo-tang twice while staying in Seoul."
I thought the point of interest was that these two countries are enemies with each other and typically never visit each other except for in a small room on their border. The fact that during an unusual, short diplomatic trip an important politician chose to eat at the same place twice is a little interesting I think.
Alternate hook. ALT02: ... that North and South Korean politicians have expressed fondness towards Seoul's third-oldest restaurant?
Sources: Third-oldest -> [24] (see list), [25] "1973년 남북회담에서 북측 대표로 참석한 박성철 부수상이 “용금옥은 아직 잘 있습니까”하고" ->"In a 1973 North–South conference, the [North Korean representative] asked "is Yonggeumok still doing well"?, [26] "고(故) 이만섭 전 국회의장도 용금옥 없이는 못 살았다" -> "Old speaker of the [South Korean] national assembly Lee Man-seop couldn't live without Yonggeumok." seefooddiet (talk) 01:56, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Article expansion new enough and (just) long enough. The inclusion of the etymologies for columbine and Aquilegia are not normal for a species level page. Additionally the Aquilegia sentences contradict the etymology section on the genus page and should be moved there not dealt with at this article.--Kevmin§18:21, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Pbritti: I forse this hook being called out by prep and que builders as being a little too close to a WP:BLUESKY fact, give the very common nature of organisms being misidentified and renamed rather frequently. If this was of more cultural impact, such as the synonymy and then resplitting of Apatosaurus and Brontosaurus i would go with it. We aren't at that level with this situation though.--Kevmin§17:19, 31 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Aneirinn and Pbritti: That is a little less niche, but may still run into push back. The lead specifically calls out the issue of hybrids masquerading as Aquilegia alpina in the plant markets. That isa great starting point for a strong hook.--Kevmin§18:52, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Kevmin: the latter, which I have modified ALT4 to accurately present. Thank you so much again for your patience here, as this has been quite a lengthy review for just one article. I have a DYKN out for eight articles, so Heaven help the poor soul who goes in for that one. ~ Pbritti (talk) 20:33, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Pbritti no worries, better good now than pulled latter for something. Gentes wording is that most of the Aquilegia alpina at that time were "closer to A. vulgaris, with only a smaller selection actually being hybrids. is there a modern reference that we can supply to support a hook wording implying its a modern problem? If not we should word the hook to reflect it as a 1946 problem involving mislabeling of specimens and incipient hybrid propagation under the wrong name. We also need to massage the wording in the article itself a little. As I read Munz, I take him to be saying that the stock being sold as A. alpina was more likely straight A. vulgaris material, not that it was hybrid material. Munz only speaks to hybrids with the last line covering the 1927 Wisley testing--Kevmin§02:37, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This is not the understanding I have gathered from the source nor from Nold 2003. Regardless, the hook should work. If there remains an issue, I can spend some time checking sources to ensure everything aligns. ~ Pbritti (talk) 04:45, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Pbritti I do not have access to Nold, what do they specifically say? I read through both the A. alpina and A. vulgaris sections of Munz (which is the only reference currently being used for the hook so the 1946 issue stands) and neither entry talks of hybrids between the species, let alone in the plant trade.--Kevmin§04:55, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Kevmin:Here's Nold 2003 on IA. When discussing columbines in cultivation, a plant being "closer to" a particular species generally refers to its status as a hybrid (the genus is a prolific hybridizer). I'll add Nold as a citation to verify the claim for the hook but he explicitly notes that the plants with the telltale spurs are hybrids. Sorry for the confusion. ~ Pbritti (talk) 16:34, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thats the reference that was missing for certain, now the hook is fully cited and verifiable. Article expansion just long enough and new enough. No citation issues identified and article is neutral in presentation. Alt4 hook is cited and verified. no identified close para or copyvio isuues. Looks good to go now.--Kevmin§17:41, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The article is new enough, long enough and the hooks are interesting, though I'm partial to ALT0. For that, I would appreciate more context as to how the subject sings "from a female perspective" as that doesn't appear in the article. The source is in Japanese so WP:AGF applies here, but if there is any additional context from the source that can be put in the article that would be great. Also, some slight polishing of the prose (there are some minor errors in grammar, such as missing articles or plurals) would be deeply appreciated before moving ahead. --Sky Harbor(talk)22:57, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Sky Harbor: thanks for reviewing!, I added more context to the article about Mosawo's singing in female perspective, I also copyedited what I can think of as wrong, I'm not that fluent in English so, I might've missed a few.
Source: [27]Kpop4planet invited Melon to attend the Valentine’s Day dance; the company declined because of scheduling conflicts but agreed to meet for a private discussion. That’s when it made the promise to “move all the data to the cloud that does not emit any carbon emissions by 2030,” Lee says.
@Vigilantcosmicpenguin: Hook is interesting and cited in the article. Bit of a nitpick, but the cited quote doesn't say the dance was what convinced the company. It incited the discussion, but it wasn't the dance exclusively that led to the change, at least based off the quote and what the quote is implying. A more accurate summation would be something like "...that a planned dance by a group of K-pop fans opened talks with a company to commit 100% renewable energy?" Let me know on this but the hook as it stands is a bit misleading as a result. Magneton Considerer:Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 17:31, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Pokelego999: Good point, but your hook won't work either, since the source doesn't verify that it "opened talks". The source does make clear that the goal of the dance was to advocate for the change, so maybe this slight change will work:
... that thimble cactus(pictured) is one of the most commonly grown nipple cacti because it breaks into pieces at the slightest touch?
Source: "Because of its ease of growth and propagation, and its readiness to fall into pieces at the slightest touch, this is probably the most widespread Mammillaria in cultivation..." (Pilbeam 1999)
ALT1: ... that thimble cactus(pictured) is regularly seen at plant sale events, "except paradoxically at cactus-oriented events, where it would be ignominious to offer it"? Source: "... this is probably the most widespread Mammillaria in cultivation, featuring commonly at almost any event where plant sales occur, except paradoxically at cactus-oriented events, where it would be ignominious to offer it." (Pilbeam 1999)
ALT2: ... that one subspecies of Mammillaria vetula(pictured) is one of the least frequently grown nipple cacti, while the other is "probably the most commonly grown"? Source: "Now expanded to include the well-known M. gracilis as a subspecies, this species combines one of the least grown mammillarias with probably the most commonly grown." (Pilbeam 1999)
ALT5: ... that David Wright, the son of Frank Lloyd Wright, forced his granddaughters to make appointments when they visited his house? Source: Rose, Jaimee (March 14, 2009). "Growing Up Wright". Arizona Republic. pp. E1, E2, E3.
ALT2 is the best, I think, as it's both house-centric and unique (lots of houses become "overgrown and surrounded etc", nothing special there). QPQ is done, 5X expansion is recent enough, Earwig says 38.7% ("unlikely"), article is presentable, hook is cited, image is fine... we're good with ALT2. DS (talk) 18:51, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Article is in great shape and is eligible as it was recently brought to GA status, and QPQ has been done. I think the ALT1 hook is more interesting, particularly to non-fans, though I am wondering if it may be good I think it is good to remove the quotation marks. It seems good to go to me :) DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 14:34, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT2: ... that over 100 anarchist activists were deported after the Alt Llobregat insurrection, despite many of them not having participated in it? Source: Evans, Danny (2018). Revolution and the State: Anarchism in the Spanish Civil War, 1936–1939. Routledge. p. 8. ISBN978-1-138-06314-3.
... that the thumb cactus(pictured) crawls over other plants in cultivation–unless you grow it upside down?
Source: "...a creeping or sprawling plant, prepared to invade any space in cultivation, be there plants in the way or not. It can be conveniently grown by making a hole in the bottom of a hanging pot..." (Pilbeam 1999)
This is a new article, that is encyclopedic, neutral in tone and well sourced. There are no copyvio issues. The image is freely shareable and of good quality. The hook is delightful, and validated by the quoted source. QPQ has been done. Good to go! Chaiten1 (talk) 21:20, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
A simple, charming hook. No QPQ required due to lack of prior nominations. Spot-check of GAN and article came back good. Fact is split up over a couple sentences but each is appropriately sourced and cited. Hook is short enough. Nice work! ~ Pbritti (talk) 22:10, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that the crustacean Pagurapseudes pangtiruthuli is a portmanteau of ambassador Lamtiur Andaliah Panggabean and her two children? Source: "Pameran Flora-Fauna Indonesia Di Bukares". Berita Yudha. 24 April 1992. p. 11.; Studii si̦ cercetări de biologie: Seria biologie animală (in Romanian). Editura Academia Republicii Socialiste România. 1992. p. 155.
Everything looks good. Only suggest that you link portmanteau in the article and clarify that the species's name is the portmanteau (rather than the species itself). Excellent work! ~ Pbritti (talk) 13:18, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Pbritti: The above review might not be considered complete enough by other DYK editors, so I'd suggest expanding it to mention all the DYK criteria. In addition, the hook mentions a subject without an article, which is discouraged by other editors. Maybe something like "... that the scientific name of a species of crustacean is a portmanteau of ambassador..." might work? It would make for a slightly longer hook, but it might address any possible concerns. Besides, the mention of the actual name might not be necessary to show the hook fact anyway. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 06:49, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The above review seems incomplete because it isn't finished and is pending the provision of a more adequate hook. I would encourage Jeromi Mikhael to take Narutolovehinata5's advice and produce an ALT1 that looks approximately like what was suggested. ~ Pbritti (talk) 22:08, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The article is long enough, sourced adequately, and provisioned with an acceptable image. The only barrier I'm seeing is the inadequacy of the hook. It's not explicitly needed to get this through DYK, but also consider adding the bit about her also being the ambassador to Moldova to the lead. ~ Pbritti (talk) 22:19, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Still doesn't work grammatically, Jeromi Mikhael. It's not the ambassador or her children creating the portmanteau, but their names. You can also refer to the ambassador without explicitly stating her name. ~ Pbritti (talk) 04:25, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Source: https://journal.transformativeworks.org/index.php/twc/article/view/135/141 in several places, including "These texts explore Sam and Dean as fathers and homemakers, depicting family life, with all its traditional trappings, but without women. When pregnancy is brought into the equation, it brings concomitant narrative and social conventions, resulting in conventional stories set in a very unconventional universe."
ALT2: ... that even mpreg enthusiasts disapprove of "ass babies"? Source: https://journal.transformativeworks.org/index.php/twc/article/view/651/544 "One birthing technique that readers are highly unlikely to run across is anal delivery of what is notoriously called an "ass baby." ... Amy said that any author trying to take herself and her writing seriously would not use anal delivery because "the rectum is inherently funny—it wouldn't work for mpreg that wants to be anything other than crack fic""
Comment: I'd appreciate input on the hooks here. I'd like something that doesn't just rely on shock value or "look at those weirdos". I don't love any of these - #1 is slightly misleading, in that the full quote is "conventional stories set in a very conventional universe, #2 focuses entirely on the movie which isn't in conversation with the rest of the mpreg genre, and the last one is rather sensationalist.
Created by Rusalkii (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 5 past nominations.
Update: I got someone to release an image, so it could run with the image currently in the article. I'm not sure how much it adds as an image hook, leaving that up to reviewers opinions. Rusalkii (talk) 02:35, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I am amazed that we did not have this article before and jealous that I did not get to write it! New, substantial, comprehensive, and fun. DYK material par excellence. Arnold is not mentioned in the article, so we cannot run that (though he most probably should be mentioned), and I find ALT2 far better anyway. It is the single most hilarious hook I have ever read. Surtsicna (talk) 16:05, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Overall: Done. Cool article on a local landmark. Article still needs minor copyedits (looks like one other editor gave it a try recently but more are needed). Earwig shows a few matches that could easily be cleaned up and rewritten. ALT0 also needs copyedits ("Did you know that after a renovation with LED lighting, the annual operating cost of the Grain Belt Beer Sign went from $48,000 to $7,500?" You could also modify it by using "dropped" or "decreased" from $48,000 to $7,500 in ALT0 instead of "went from" for a dramatic touch. Viriditas (talk) 22:08, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Darth Stabro: I'm not sure how strict WP:DYKIMG is enforced, and it's an odd thing because from an abstract POV, we already have an "image" of the sign in the article from different angles. However, DYKIMG seems to imply that we need this image in the article to use it in the hook. Not sure if that is true or if I'm reading it wrong. It might be a good idea to add it anyway to forestall any objections. I think it's a great image because it shows the LED lights in contrast with the backlight of twilight. If you look at the timestamps of the other signs, this is the only one that captures the twilight effect at the earliest (or latest, depending on how you look at it) time. I would just add it right-aligned to the see also section, but that's just me. I think the other two images are pretty good, so you might want to leave them, I don't know. But if it's ok to use this new hook image without having it in the article (not clear on that), then don't do anything. Viriditas (talk) 02:52, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Approve both hooks. Image has been added. There were three editors working on this at the same time and unfortunately I encountered multiple edit conflicts. Please review the page history and restore anything you think deserves to be added back if I accidentally removed it. Good to go. Viriditas (talk) 03:32, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
New enough, hook verifies from the National Park source, Earwig does indeed register 87% but as it's a compatible license properly cited and attributed I think it can pass. Everything seems cited and the article is long enough and contains the hook, and everything else seems fine for DYK. I'd rephrase the hook a bit (that's just me though, it works as is) but I do think the hook itself is interesting. Good to go! Departure– (talk) 18:27, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Adjusted. I think most people would be interested in the first bridge over the most important river in the English-speaking world was, so it doesn't need to embellish facts or focus on anything else because it's independently interesting. Departure– (talk) 13:37, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Source: "Mammillaria albiflora is listed as Critically Endangered due to ... a continuing population decline as a result of illegal collecting that is also reducing its range. Its population has been diminished by an estimated 50% over the past 20 years, the decline in mature individuals is continuing. Although a portion of the site has recently been enclosed with a chain link fence to protect it, this did not prevent access to the site." (IUCN)
ALT1: ... that the population of Mammillaria albiflora(pictured) halved in 20 years and it is now critically endangered? Source: "Mammillaria albiflora is listed as Critically Endangered... Its population has been diminished by an estimated 50% over the past 20 years..." (IUCN)
The article was expanded 5x less than 7 days before the DYK nomination was done. It is long enough, and the hook is interesting enough for nomination. No copy-vio was observed. Maybe it is interesting to note that the one-line version of the page was created more than 14 years ago by a bot, and it's going to be featured on the main page now. I find ALT1 to be more clear than the original hook. --Mhhosseintalk11:49, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Source: [28] "Care for the 15 geldings and three mares of Belgian, Clydesdale, Shire, Percheron and Brabant breeding at the Circle D is meticulous. ... Each horse at the Circle D works for three days a week at Disneyland, hauling the horse-drawn streetcar on Main Street..."
Overall: New enough, long enough. Hook fact is cited and interesting. Earwig pings the longer quotes, which is unfortunate, but they do seem to be properly attributed. QPQ is done. Looks good to go! — Chris Woodrich (talk) 23:56, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
passing ALT1.The article was nom the day after promotion to GA status. Article is obvs long enough, neutral and well-sourced. The hook is cited in the article (fn 14) and well within length at only 123 chars. There are no close paraphrasing issues (names, titles and quotes throw up the usual false positives). Hook is probably interesting, as while it's just a road, it's an old road. QPQ not required, lucky you. GTG. Serial(speculates here)19:41, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1: ... that during a 1989 visit to the United States, Boris Yeltsin said that "there would be a revolution" if the average Soviet citizen knew of the quality of grocery stores in the United States? Source: Chron.com
JJonahJackalope Hello there, I'm here to check your article for the DYK criteria. Before I check though, there's one thing I'd like to ask: because I see that you clearly have GA aspirations for this article, have you consulted any Russian sources, or have you contacted anyone to help you edit with the addition of Russian-language sources? There should definitely be a lot about the visit written in Russian, particularly if it convinced Yeltsin that Bolshevism was nothing in comparison to capitalism? While I do not doubt the works of historians cited here, the article would definitely benefit from a Russian perspective if available (and I believe it should be there).
Overall: Yeltsin also planned to visit several AIDS clinics, including the Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center in New York City - did he actually visit it? Other than that, the article is impressive. Spot checks do not reveal any inconsistencies. While, as I said, the Russian perspective would be valuable, the article doesn't have to be perfect to pass DYK and it is definitely adequate for me as the reviewer (though if you aspire higher, I'd strongly suggest you consult non-English sources as well. As for the hook, ALT1 is better than the original proposal, though I'd suggest you take a look at
... that editors of The Philadelphia Inquirer deliberately held back information from the newspaper's TV newscast, Inquirer News Tonight, so as not to be scooped? Source: https://www.proquest.com/docview/213628468 "Editors were concerned that the Inquirer was scooping itself by running stories on WPHL before the paper came out, so they sometimes held back information from their broadcast brethren."
Overall: The article is new enough and long enough to qualify for DYK. Additionally, it is sourced, neutral, and does not appear to have any egregious copyright violations associated with it. The hook is interesting and properly cited, and QPQ has been satisfied. Overall, I see no reason not to approve this submission. JJonahJackalope (talk) 20:36, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This article is new enough, long enough, and well sourced. I have to AGF on the Japanese-language sources. Article appears to be written neutrally. ALT0 and ALT1 are sourced inline and appear to be interesting enough. ALT0 may need a slight rewrite though as this cafe "was", and is no more. No QPQ is required as this is the nominator's first. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:25, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Recent, well-sourced, interesting... but not long enough. While it consists of some 1750 characters, it is fewer than 1400 characters long when the lead is taken out. Because the lead repeats the content of the only section, it means that the article has fewer than 1400 characters of unique content. I also wonder if any effort has been made to find a photograph of the subject or of some of her work. I see a photo on Flickr. Surtsicna (talk) 09:35, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Surtsicna - I've added some more to the article, but I did look at WP:DYKLEN and I don't see it stating that the lead is excluded, rather text copied from other articles, which I interpreted as different. I've added a link to the photo, but I don't think as its an artwork the photogrpaher would have permission to openly licence it. It's a great find though. I'm away for ten days from tomorrow, in case you don't get a reposnse to a ping Lajmmoore (talk) 21:33, 31 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It is not the letter of the law, true, but it is the spirit. The article of that size does not actually need sections, and creating a lead section which repeats information to meet the character count is a sort of workaround. The coverage looks much more substantial now. You are right about the image :( It would have to be taken in public in a country with the freedom of panorama. I think the hook is good to go now. See you in 10 days! Surtsicna (talk) 22:20, 31 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: If anyone feels the first is not properly sourced, the alt 2,3 are good enough options for me. Alt 2 mentions play a 3D minigame, while alt 3 mentions complete a unique 3D captcha minigame. Either one is fine for me, added two because the second one expicitly mentions captcha, but is slightly on the longer end.
There are two citation needed tags that need to be addressed, User:Bunnypranav. The information presented in the lead should also appear in the body of the article and a source for it should be cited. Surtsicna (talk) 11:33, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Surtsicna: I have removed the unsourced parts of the tagged lines and expanded on the ones with a source. I have also added the lead sentence to the features section, with a bit of expansion. Hope that helps! Thanks for your review. ~/Bunnypranav:<ping>12:44, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The article is new and well-written, but I do not see the information used for ALT0 in the cited source. Otherwise the sources are cited and they seem to be of high quality. I do find ALT1 more interesting anyway. How about we say that "before you can use UserBenchmark's free benchmark program, you must shoot 13 ships"? It seems punchier. Surtsicna (talk) 12:54, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I was actually in the editing panel just about to change the hook to be more interesting, when I saw your mention in my email. I'll be right back with a more interesting hook. ~/Bunnypranav:<ping>12:56, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Overall: Good to go. The article was recently created and has no copyright issues picked up by Earwig. QPQ already done. The only minor thing I'd say regarding the article is that I'd recommend adding archives to your citations where possible, but the bot is currently backed up, so that won't prevent me from this supporting this. -- ZooBlazer19:47, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Great article, SammySpartan. ALT0 is particularly interesting, and I believe the NAIAHF counts as a reliable source. I don't think that the source for ALT1 can be considered independant, though, so for that hook to run you'd need another source. Per WP:DYKIMG, any image to be included has to be in the article, so this image is ineligible. There are currently some copyvio issues - for example, the part about the GoFundMe seems to be directly directly out of the source without paraphrasing. Also, source [4] doesn't seem to be formatted correctly (sometimes the autofill doesn't get it right and needs correction). Overall, good and promising, but needs a little work before it can be approved.
Thank you for reviewing, Darth Stabro. I've changed the line mentioning the GoFundMe page and fixed source [4]. I've additionally added the photo to the article, though I did want to make clear that the sticks in the image weren't made by Jacques. If we end up needing to run the hook without the image, that's fine with me. -SammySpartan (talk) 17:16, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that Thomas Burdet was said to have so many enemies in Wiltshire that had he been present at a 1477 riot, he would have been killed? Source: *Baker, J. H. (1989). "A French Vocabulary and Conversation-guide in a Fifteenth-century Legal Notebook". Medium Ævum. 58: 80–102, p. 84.
ALT1: ... that Thomas Burdet supposedly plotted treason against King Edward IV in 1477 after the King killed Burdet's favourite white deer while hunting? Source: * Hughes, J. (2002). Arthurian Myths and Alchemy: The Kingship of Edward IV. Stroud: Sutton, p. 289.
ALT2: ... that one modern historian has described 15th-century Warwickshire man Thomas Burdet as being a man with "little to lose", because he was already a loser? Source: * Carpenter, C. (1980). "Sir Thomas Malory and Fifteenth-century Local Politics". Bulletin of the Institute of Historical Research. 53 (127): 31–43, p.35 +n.36..
New, long, and excellent quality. I do like a good spin off. ALT1 is by far my favorite. It is wild. I took the bold step of striking the last two words, which I do not consider essential. It Surtsicna (talk) 23:39, 27 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
National Weather Service Quad Cities, Iowa/Illinois
Hi Departure–, I've looked over this nomination for DYK. As was said in the GA review, there is a bit higher hit with Earwig for copyvio, but not high enough to say this article is a copy. It's a good read and nothing there discounts it from being featured on the main page for DYK. I think the proposed hook is great and is sourced from and within the article. The image is fine too. This is good to go. Cheers, ❯❯❯ Mccunicano☕️21:46, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Overall: @Surtsicna: Looks mostly good. My only concern is that I see in the Foster article Glass and Foster's shared passion for succulents led them on extensive expeditions. Between 1964 and 1974 they made 15 such trips to Mexico. However, in the article on Glass, it says Partnering with Robert Foster in 1968, the two undertook 18 expeditions to Mexico. – is it 15 or 18? Otherwise should be good to go. BeanieFan11 (talk) 04:25, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I wondered about that too, BeanieFan11, until I realized that there is actually no discrepancy. It's 15 expeditions between 1964 and 1974 and 18 altogether. Presumably there were three expeditions after 1974. Surtsicna (talk) 13:49, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that when Ankarette Twynho was hanged for poisoning a Duchess, it was a cause célèbre at the time and has been described by one modern historian as "judicial murder"? Source: * Kittredge, G. L. (1929). Witchcraft in Old and New England. Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press. p. 138. OCLC1544433.
* Hicks, M. A. (1980). False, Fleeting, Perjur'd Clarence: George, Duke of Clarence 1449–1478. Gloucester: Alan Sutton. ISBN978-1-87304-113-0.
Hicks, M. A. (2004). "George, Duke of Clarence (1449–1478)". Oxford Dictionary of National Biography. Oxford University Press. Retrieved 11 January 2025.
QPQ done, hook is interesting and cited in the article (I've wikilinked cause celebre because I sure didn't know what it was), the article is neutral, new, copyvio-free, and long enough, but citation placement could use some improvement (more inline especially after the birth year) and a few things are phrased oddly for Wikipedia but are sourced and the article is written well enough for DYK. I don't have access to any of the sources listed so I'm going to AGF as to their verifiability and pass this. Good to go! Departure– (talk) 20:52, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Source: Sugawara, Yoshino (2022). "From Teahouse to Classroom: Educational Screen Practice in Republican Shanghai". Journal of Chinese Cinemas. 16: 9–24. doi:10.1080/17508061.2022.2120750. Note that Sugawara uses the term "new drama", which broadly refers to huaju (spoken-word drama) vis-a-vis traditional drama (i.e., Chinese opera)
ALT1: ... that Ren Jinping fought backlash against a crime film by calling it educational? Source: Sugawara, Yoshino (2022). "From Teahouse to Classroom: Educational Screen Practice in Republican Shanghai". Journal of Chinese Cinemas. 16: 9–24. doi:10.1080/17508061.2022.2120750. Note that Sugawara uses the term "new drama", which broadly refers to huaju (spoken-word drama) vis-a-vis traditional drama (i.e., Chinese opera)
Overall: ALT1 looks fine. ALT0 has some issues - firstly, "spoken-word drama" is not mentioned in the text, but there is rather a link to "civilized drama". "Spoken-word drama" is also a rather puzzling term - does it mean he was involved in other kinds of drama instead? If "spoken-word drama" was linked in the hook to huaju, that would be acceptable to me, but then the article would also have to link to that, not to civilized drama. Gatoclass (talk) 10:50, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Gatoclass. This is one of those things that requires a bit of specialized knowledge. Ren was in a Peking opera fan club, though based on the available sources he doesn't appear to have produced any himself. As for the distinction between huaju and civilized drama, it's a matter of degree and labelling; civilized drama was more syncretic than the later attempts at spoken-word drama (huaju), and dramatists from the later generation tended to dismiss people like Zheng Zhengqiu who had penned works that blended Chinese opera with Western-style spoken-word dramaturgy (cited in our civilized drama article with the sentence "Histories of Chinese theatre have generally neglected civilized drama, considering the genre little more than a transition."). I've piped civilized drama to "early spoken-word dramas" to better reflect the wording in the hook. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 11:47, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I was originally planning to review this, but since there's already an existing review, I'm leaving this as a comment. There are some odd things about the article. The lead says he flourished between 1910 and 1928, but the article also states he was born in 1896. Is this how it's usually done for articles on people with known years of birth but not dates of death? I haven't encountered a case like this before so I just wanted to know. And speaking of his death, is there really no known information about his life after 1928? Unless there really is none, the article as currently written might not meet WP:DYKCOMPLETE unless that's clarified. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:00, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Narutolovehinata5, that is correct. He almost disappears from coverage after 1928; as cited in the article, "Little information about Ren remains; there are no surviving portraits of him, and his date of death is unknown." The last information about him dates to 1949, and appears to be cited to a passing reference in coverage of another film director's funeral.
Huang's 1896 is not supported by Sugawara, who did a bit more focused research; I don't know where Huang got that figure for her history of Mingxing, and given that Sugawara explicitly states that his date of birth is unknown (2015 article) or that he was born "sometime in the 1890s" (2022 article), fl. is the best approach to this. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 12:53, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If you want a copy of Sugawara's article to confirm, I can email it to you. As for the use of floruit, I've reviewed approximately 50 transclusions, and it seems the common approach is to just omit lifespan altogether for more recent biographies, though some (such as William Moore (mathematician)) do include rough periods. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 12:55, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe just avoid mentioning years in the lede entirely to avoid confusion? Maybe the 1896 year can be kept in the article but it could be attributed to Huang, while also mentioning that Sugawara is more uncertain. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:44, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree that biography articles need b&d dates for completeness, there are many notable people for whom these dates are simply not known. Regardless, the article still meets all the criteria. Gatoclass (talk) 23:37, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Article is neutral. I re-phrased one bit about its popularity, but this feels like a very minor edit. Otherwise, everything seems fine. Y
Article is long enough. Currently a start class, enough for a new article DYK. Y
Checked, Billboard and the other site seem seem reliable, per their own wiki article. Y
Hook is short enough, and seems timely in relevance to an interest level. Probably the most key bit of info outside just sales data within the article. I'm assuming good faith with the Japanese content on Billboard, but from my own minimal knowledge, there does not seem to be anything controversial here.
Author has given a thorough QBQ review of the other DYK article in question.
Source: Morell, Samuel (1995). "Review: Sperber, "A Commentary on Derech Ereẓ Zuta 5-8" (Reviewed Work: A Commentary on Derech Ereẓ Zuta: Chapters Five to Eight by Daniel Sperber)". The Jewish Quarterly Review. 85 (3/4). University of Pennsylvania Press: 445. doi:10.2307/1454738. JSTOR1454738.
Reviewed:
Comment: I will fulfill my QPQ obligation by reviewing the article Yuval Raphael.
Created by Davidbena (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 8 past nominations.
Article is new enough and long enough. Citations to reliable sources throughout. Offline source, foreign language references, and sources behind paywalls accepted in good faith; including verification of the hook fact which has an inline citation in the article to the Morell source. No copyright violation detected, and the hook fact is interesting. My only concern is the large amount of bulleted lists used in the article. @Davidbena per MOS:LISTBULLET and MOS:EMBED bulleted lists should be avoided whenever possible in favor of prose paragraphs. I'm not sure that all of these bullets are truly necessary, and its very possible that the article could be tagged for style issues if it ran on the main page in its current state. The last thing we want is to have the article get tagged and then pulled from the main page because it was tagged. I urge you to take a critical eye to reducing the number of bulleted lists wherever possible per the MOS recommendations. To be clear, I'm not saying you can't use some embedded lists in the article but not in the current excessive amount. Best.4meter4 (talk) 21:41, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@4meter4:This is for your information: I went through the article again and deleted portions that were less important or superfluous. I also improved on the general style, and deleted the vast majority of the bullets by reconstructing the sentences and putting them into prose paragraphs. I only left a few bullets in two sections: 1) "Use of honorifics" and 2) "Valedictions." It already looks better. If you feel that there is something else that needs removing, because it may be redundant or unnecessary, please feel free to do so.Davidbena (talk) 01:18, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1: ... that retired track and field athlete Naide Gomes(pictured) holds 21 Portuguese championship titles and 3 Portuguese national records? Source: Same as ALT0.
ALT2: ... that Portuguese retired track and field athlete Naide Gomes(pictured) holds 21 national championship titles and 3 national records? Source: Same as ALT0.
Comment: The number of national records can be changed to 3 if her São Toméan records are omitted (ALT1). I'm not sure how to reword the hook though without being redundant, i.e. "21 Portuguese national championship titles and 3 Portuguese national records." ALT2's wording isn't very precise either because "national records" could still include her São Toméan ones.
Improved to Good Article status by Yue (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 30 past nominations.
Overall: New enough (GA on January 23, 2025); Long enough (15863 characters); Sourced, neutral, and free of copyright violations (Earwig does return a high value, but it is due to direct quotations); The picture is free, clear at 100 pixels, and used within the article.
The hooks are cited and interesting, but as you mention in the comment, ALT2 is imprecise and ALT1 is redundant. ALT0 is somewhat misleading (I'd think from the wording that she held 6 Portuguese national records), but maybe I'm being too nitpicky. ALT3 is perfect. Approving ALT0 and ALT3 only, with a preference towards ALT3. AmateurHi$torian (talk) 21:14, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Looks like this nomination skirted in just in time, so good job getting it done. Please complete your QPQ ASAP. Looking at the article broadly, length is good, sourcing seems adequate, and no images makes that part easy. I think the hook isn't terribly good, though. Consider jazzing it up by yanking the book title and noting the that her varied career has included composing at the highest level and children's book writing. ~ Pbritti (talk) 22:02, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the feedback, Pbritti. Just completed my QPQ review.
How's this for an alternate hook?
ALT1: ...that the music career of Louise Beach has ranged from nationally-recognized composition to a children's book about the viola?
... that Walnut Valley, the neighborhood most affected by the 2023 Little Rock tornado (damage pictured), reported theft and illegal dumping during rebuilding efforts?
Comment: This article has a complex history; first created by a weather community regular as a copy-paste from the outbreak article in draftspace, then further copy-paste edited and moved to mainspace by sockpuppets, before being the subject of a four-times-relisted-yet-no-consensus AFD, then draftified and deleted. However, the article in its current state has no input from sockpuppet accounts and is the first earnest incarnation of this article.
Created by Departure– (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 5 past nominations.
Overall: New enough (converted from redirect on 24 January); Long enough (5361 characters); Sourced, neutral; Free of plagiarism issues (Earwig returns "Violation unlikely", and I haven't found any on my spot checks); The hook is cited and interesting. While I cannot access page 10A of the newspaper, the book is sufficient as a source; The image is free, clear, and used within the article; QPQ checks out. This is good to go AmateurHi$torian (talk) 07:59, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that there are over 100 accepted species of columbines, but Aquilegia kubanica was identified as one of only four to live in the Caucasus?
Source: Vassiljeva, Irina Mikhailovna (1991). "Aquilegia kubanica (Ranunculaceae) - Новый Вид с Кавказа" [Aquilegia kubanica (Ranunculaceae) - A New Species from the Caucasus]. Botanicheskiĭ Zhurnal (in Russian) (12): 1765–1768. ISSN0006-8136.
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith
Interesting:
QPQ: Done.
Overall: Prosesize broke when I used it on the article, so I did a Notepad estimate of 3066 B (including 15 ref notes). Article is otherwise good; created two days before nom and sources AGFed or verifiable. ミラP@Miraclepine16:56, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
One important comment that I have to make here is that the main article mentions her having "survived the blast by hiding under dead bodies inside a bomb shelter for eight hours," when the main article gives the impression that there were several blasts on that fateful day. Perhaps the article can be amended to read "...she survided the blasts," etc.Davidbena (talk) 14:24, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Apologies, I thought you meant the attack article. Raphael's one has been reworded a bit since I last looked at it but given that 'blasts' no longer appears in the article and the only applicable word I can see is 'grenades', I think your concern's been resolved.--Launchballer04:54, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, it looks good then. I, personally, think that the article is ready for DYK release, as the article is new enough, long enough, neutral and well-sourced. The hook is short-enough and is defintely "catchy." To the best of my knowledge, there are no copyright violations.Davidbena (talk) 11:45, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that the hashtag AlDubEBTamangPanahon set a Guinness World Records in 2015 with 40,706,392 uses in 24 hours, coinciding with the "Tamang Panahon" television event (leads pictured)?
@Royiswariii: I will review this nomination shortly. First thing I noticed though was the hook and the source given say "AlDubEBSaTamangPanahon", but the article itself says "AlDubEBTamangPanahon". Which hashtag was it? You should also add "in 2015" somewhere to make the timing of the record explicit and clear. Yue🌙05:36, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Overall: Recently approved GA: Spot-checked sourcing again, but the GA reviewer was already quite thorough in their assessment. No issues arose. Yue🌙07:11, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Royiswariii: Yes, you do need to add (pictured) next to the article's Wikilink in the hook. However, the image you choose has to be 1. Used in the article and 2. Directly relevant to the hook. So for example, if you mentioned the episode instead of the hashtag, then it would be "Tamang Panahon" (leads pictured). If you mentioned AlDub, it might be "AlDub" (pictured). Thus it's a bit tricky given your hook. Yue🌙08:29, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Royiswariii: I think it's fine to keep your original hook around to give the promoter flexibility. You still need to add the image to the article though. Yue🌙05:01, 27 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Royiswariii: Approving both hooks. I don't think the photo would fit with the original hook (ALT1), but ALT0 is the better hook anyways. Also, even if ALT0 is chosen by the promoter, the photo won't necessarily be displayed; it's up to the promoter. Yue🌙06:16, 27 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Overall: Interesting article! Possibly a nitpick, but I genuinely don't know if the stills themselves were illegal, or just the alcohol produced with them. Is there a cite for them being illegal, or could the hook be changed to something like "helped make stills so farmers could manufacture illegal alcohol"? Jonathan Deamer (talk) 21:20, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Very interesting hook - I think that the first hook is the best one. QPQ is not needed for this. I checked on Earwig and there does not seem to be any copyright issues. Article is long enough and is well sourced. I think it is good to go. DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 04:13, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: A few possible angles to get a potential hook from, but please let me know which is the most interesting, if they should be mixed and matched, or if something else in the article catches the eye. Thanks!
Created by Chipmunkdavis (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 51 past nominations.
Article is new enough, no copyvio concerns, everything looks sourced and the article is of sufficient quality and neutral in nature. All hooks appear and are verified in the article and QPQ is done. I don't see anything wrong with any of the hooks you've brought, but I prefer ALT2. Good to go! Departure– (talk) 20:17, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that the fantasy writer M. A. R. Barker wrote the neo-Nazi novel Serpent's Walk in 1991, but his authorship was only confirmed in 2022? Source: https://sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/barker_m_a_r, "In 2022 it was confirmed by the Tékumel Foundation Board of Directors that Barker had also published the dismayingly antisemitic novel Serpent's Walk (1991)", "neo-Nazi novel" is attested to by Gomel 2000, which says "a neo-Nazi novel, Serpent's Walk"
OK I think we're good. I went through all the sources (that's why this took a while), and made some minor corrections--put some numbers in order, put a few footnotes in slightly different places, corrected a page number and added a note number in one of the references. There is no plagiarism. The hook is verified. The article must have taken a while to research and develop, and it's fine--it's not a GA yet, but it doesn't lack for research to get there, only writing. It's long enough, new enough--good luck, PARAKANYAA--good work and I hope you get lots of hits. Drmies (talk) 22:42, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that the 1924 film Tkies-kaf had no director until its lead actor volunteered?
Source: Hoberman, J. (1995). Bridge of Light: Yiddish Film Between Two Worlds. University Press of New England. ISBN 9781584658702. pp. 74–75; Goldman, Eric Arthur (1983). Visions, Images, and Dreams: Yiddish Film Past and Present pp. 18–19
Overall: Though the sources of offline, I WP:AGF, New enough and long enough, and a very interesting hook, Earwig yield 19.4% result, no other issues, QPQ is done. It's good to go. also I moved the page so that it does not have the unnessesary disambiguator Warm Regards, Miminity (Talk?) (me contribs) 15:32, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that a lost stone monument for a park in Seoul that closed in 1918 was discovered lying in the grass in 2002? Source: [35] "한양공원은 1918년 조선총독부가 그곳에 조선신궁을 건설하면서 폐쇄되었다. 한양공원비는 광복 이후 오랜 시간 사라졌다가 2002년 서울 중구 회현동 케이블카 승강장 인근의 공원 철조망 안쪽 6~7m 지점의 풀숲에서 발견되었다." -> "Hanyang Park was closed by the colonial goernment in 1918 to make way for Chōsen Shrine. The monument was lost after the liberation of Korea, but was rediscovered in 2002... found in the grass."
... that the building Seokjojeon was meant to symbolize the Korean Empire's authority, but it was completed just months before Japan annexed Korea? Source: [36] "제국의 위세를 떨치려는 의도에서 확장과 중건을 거듭했지만... 대한제국 광무 원년(1897년)에 설계가 시작되었고 1910년 8월 경술국치 3개월여 뒤 완공되었다." -> "[The palace] was expanded with the intent of raising the authority of the [Korean] Empire... Work on [Seokjojeon] began in 1897 and it was completed three months before the August 1910 signing of the Japan–Korea Treaty of 1910."
Overall: The article is new enough and neutral. After using Earwig's Copyvio tool, it does not appear that there are any major copyright violation issues with it. It is long enough and both the article and hook are properly cited. The hook is also interesting and QPQ has been satisfied. Overall, I see no reason not to approve this submission. JJonahJackalope (talk) 14:44, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT2: ... that the restaurant New Krishna Bhavan started handling its own waste disposal after being extorted for bribes by garbage collectors? Source: https://www.thenewsminute.com/karnataka/meet-bengaluru-man-who-shows-zero-waste-restaurant-possible-little-effort-68558 "The first time Gopinath Prabhu wished there was a more effective way to get rid of the waste from his restaurant was in 2013. “The contractor assigned to us by the BBMP knew we didn’t have another option if he refused to send his lorry. He had been asking for more and more money for the last two years. He asked for a hike again and wouldn’t send his lorry unless I paid him Rs 7,000 a month,” Gopinath narrates."
Reviewed:
Comment: The Hindu article in ALT0 and ALT1 may be paywalled, so check it here at the Wayback Machine. Replaced with archive links in hooks themselves.
Moved to mainspace by Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
Article looks fine, but I do have a few concerns. Firstly, the main articles link needs to be bolded. ALT0 and ALT2 are not that WP:DYKINT interesting, but ALT1 can work. In ALT1, the served should be serves, and you can make it 600 litres of sambar for conciseness. Also please add the wayback link and quote the source in their words per WP:DYKHOOKCITE just after the hook. You can also make it serves nearly 600 litres similar to the statement in the source. (please ping on reply) ~/Bunnypranav:<ping>07:56, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Overall: All criteria checks out, strong preference to ALT1 due to the intrigue, I'll leave it to the promoter though. Live version of source is paywalled, but archived version exists, is linked, and checked by me. Only improvement can be to link the archived version for both the The Hindu sources in the article ref templates. ~/Bunnypranav:<ping>13:08, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that fossils of the salmon Eosalmo(pictured) were dressed in latex that was salted afterwards for study?
Source: Wilson and Li 1999 Figs 3 & 4 "photos of two black latex casts dusted with ammonium chloride"
ALT1: ... that the fossil salmon Eosalmo(pictured) likely never migrated to the ocean? Source: Wilson 1996 Life in Stone (pg 216-217) and The Eocene fishes of Republic, Washington (pg 30-31) "The presence of both large and small specimens of Eosalmo found together at some localities in British Columbia also seems to confirm the idea that primitive salrnonids spent their whole lives in fresh water"
One obvious issue with the main hook; it is grammatically inaccurate. The "was" in-between "tax" and "salted" is clearly meant to be "and". Both hooks are objective, at least. To tell you the truth, the ALT hook is also more interesting, as (although I am not knowledgeable enough in geology to claim) the main hook probably describes the general process of fossil discovery and study. There are strong signs right off the bat in other areas, though.
It passes the 1,500 new-text minimum with flying colors. The article before the expansion had 1,500 characters. The beginning section alone having 2,400 alone, not counting other sections that are a little longer or half as long as it.
The image accompanying the hook and the article is free, being self-uploaded and taken by the nominator, an experienced geology photographer.
The review he is was last month, making it very recent. Given that this is the only nomination of Kevmin's since that review, four more can be done by the user before reviewing another DYK.
Nothing serious. May I ask for ref #1 and #2, why the author name has his first name initialed, and the "H." is left out? Also, why is the H in the third ref, which is also partially by this author? Seems inconsistent. User:HumanxAnthro (BanjoxKazooie) 21:39, 27 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The use of latex peels to gain insight into fossils is limited to certain fields of vertebrate paleontology, usually those dealing with small bones/features which will preserve even on compression impression fossils. Its not a well known process and the wording was chosen to be true to the sourcing while evoking images of food dressing or clothing. Several of the fossils (four at least) were treated that way, with the latex peel being removed and the ammonium chloride dust spread on the latex, not the fossil, which is what an "and" in that part of the hook implies.-Kevmin§22:00, 27 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
With regard to the citations and Wilsons initials, I picked up the citations from other wiki articles where differing editors have give different amounts of space to middle name initials (which authors over time are prone to give varying amounts of as well. I have standardized the four citations to M. V. H.--Kevmin§22:00, 27 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
IMPORTANT NOTE: The review he is was last month, making it very recent. Given that this is the only nomination of Kevmin's since that review, four more can be done by the user before reviewing another DYK., this statement is not at all accurate to DYK rules. Once a nominator has 5 or more nominations, EVERY nomination they submit must be accompanied by a QPQ review that is at least in progress or preferably fully followed to success or failure. Its not one QPQ for every 5 nominations as the quoted text implies.--Kevmin§22:00, 27 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Some more comments. So far, the article at least links all of the jargon readers may not understand, and I did understand what was going on thanks it, so readability is good. May I ask for the ALT hook, how what is said in the source supports it? As someone not versed in geology, is there a difference between "fresh water" and in "the ocean" and why being at localities means they probably were not in the ocean?
There is a great deal of difference between Lake sedimentation, river sedimentation, and ocean sedimentation. The flora, fauna, and rock structures of the fossil sites are all in agreement that the Eocene Okanagan Highlands are a series of upland/mountain lake systems which were the same elevation or higher 50 MYA than they are now. If the fish were Anadromous as most non-trout salmoids are today, we would not find a full range of young juveniles though full adults within the same sediments.--Kevmin§17:00, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Overall: Looks good to me! Article is new enough (created January 25th), well-sourced, and the Copyvio came back clean. The first hook is both interesting and properly sourced. BaduFerreira (talk) 23:42, 31 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Other problems: - This hook could be rewritten to be a bit easier to parse. I think emphasizing the main irony (that it wasn't installed in Geneva despite being called Geneva Window) would work better - how about: "...that Harry Clarke's Geneva Window (pictured) was never installed in Geneva because of the "grave offense" it might cause?"
Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
QPQ: - Please link a review to pass this Overall: Overall, good article and good nomination, just needs QPQ and the hook is a bit difficult to read.
However I personally found that the article could use a bit of expansion on some sections, such as the description of the subject matter of the work, and in clarifying the bit that says the window was "too controversial in nature, by virtue of the subject matter more than the images themselves to be approved." This is just a suggestion since it already meets the DYK requirement for length. Luiysia (talk) 20:24, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Size and date check out for both articles. Well-referenced. Doesn't appear to have copyvio issues; AGF on offline refs. Suggest main hook but both are interesting. Should be good to go. - The BushrangerOne ping only02:24, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT0 ... that Ivan Petrovtsii's vulgar poems were condemned by senior Ukrainian officials?
ALT1 ... that Ivan Petrovtsii's vulgar poems were condemned by senior Ukrainian officials despite their popularity?
Source: Rusinko, Elaine (2003). Straddling Borders: Literature and Identity in Subcarpathian Rus. University of Toronto Press. ISBN 9781442680227. pp. 448–450
New, long enough, and well written. Hook is reliably sourced to an offline source, accepted in good faith. The hook is ok as is, but I would like to suggest adding something about the popularity of Nashi spivanky, which I think is an entertaining contrast to its official condemnation. QPQ has been done. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 23:13, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There are multiple uncited paragraphs in the Format section. If those can be replaced with citations already in the article or easily replaced with new ones, please do so. Departure– (talk) 14:45, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Past there, QPQ done, expanded recently from redirect, no copyvios or non-neutral language, long enough and everything is now sourced, hook is verified and interesting. Good to go! Departure– (talk) 17:44, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Source: Skaff, Sheila (2008). The Law of the Looking Glass: Cinema in Poland, 1896–1939. Ohio University Press. ISBN 9780821442524. pp. 37–38
Hendrykowski, Marek; Hendrykowska, Małgorzata (2009). "Pierwszy polski film fabularny. "Les Martyrs de la Pologne" – "Pruska kultura" (1908)" [First Polish Feature Film: 'Les Martyrs de la Pologne'/'Pruska kultura' (1908)]. Kwartalnik Filmowy (in Polish) (67–68): 212–229.
ALT1: ... that the politically-themed film May You Stay Forever Young was filmed as a flash mob, where actors would disperse and regroup after shooting scenes? Source: [2][3]
ALT3: ... that the crew of the politically-themed film May You Stay Forever Young was stopped and threatened by the police during filming? Source: [5][6]
ALT5: ... that while filming an argument scene without authorization on the streets for May You Stay Forever Young, a pedestrian intervened, thinking it was a real fight? Source: [8]
Created Jan 24, definitely big enough (and well written), no copyvio and proper use and licensing of images (only minor correction of CC license needed for some). Each hook is within the limit, sourced and interesting, though I think ALT2, ALT4 and ALT5 are the most eye-catching. MSG17 (talk) 20:55, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
^Fung, Ka-ming (21 November 2021). "拍好電影：《少年》導演任俠、林森訪問——我們都在拯救自己". Ming Pao (in Chinese). Retrieved 3 January 2025. 問：你們還把角色放進現場，有幕YY坐電車經過金鐘，背景是拜祭梁凌杰的長長人龍。俠：那是2020年一周年時拍的。抗爭我們拍不到，悼念則可以。它是真實與虛假交錯的影片，一開始我們已定了調。 [Q: You also included scenes with characters on-site, such as YY taking the tram past Admiralty, with a long line of people paying respects to Marco Leung Ling-kit. Ren: That was filmed during the first anniversary in 2020. We could not film the protests, but we could capture the public memorial. It is a film that intertwines reality and fiction; we set that tone from the very beginning.]
^祁玲 (12 April 2022). "邊拍片邊躲警察 劇組打游擊事先備好「逃生路線圖」". Mirror Media (in Chinese). Retrieved 5 January 2025. 開拍當天劇組先畫「逃生路線圖」，並以附近一間地下室速食餐廳當做基地。每拍完一個鏡次，所有人就地解散、到基地會合，然後一起看畫面回放，若需要調整，大家就各自回到拍攝點再拍一次。 [On the day of shooting, the crew first drew an "escape route map" and used a nearby basement fast-food restaurant as their base. After filming each scene, everyone would disperse on the spot and regroup at the base to review the footage. If adjustments were needed, everyone would return to the filming location to shoot again.]
^Wu, Nilk (28 November 2021). "【金馬專訪】年少無知，知無《少年》：更值得掌聲的他們——幕前台後專訪". Commons (in Chinese). Retrieved 3 January 2025. 但今年六月，香港政府正式修改電檢處電影審查指引，列明可能構成「危害國家安全罪行的影片」不宜上映，之後多套電影被要求改名或刪除片段。而《少年》就成為第一套被攔在紅線外，攔在香港的銀幕外，不論大小。 [However, in June this year, the Hong Kong government officially amended the Film Censorship Ordinance, stating that films that might constitute "offenses against national security" were not suitable for release. Subsequently, several films were required to change their titles or cut scenes. May You Stay Forever Young became the first film to be banned from being shown in Hong Kong, regardless of [the film's] length.]
^張凱傑 (17 November 2021). "記下挽救生命的俠義故事 《少年》導演：無人記得這班人存在過". Citizen News (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 30 January 2022. Retrieved 6 January 2025. 街上拍攝會被警察截查，抄下個人資料，受過各種侮辱，例如有警員向他們說「犯唔犯法唔係你話，係我話嘅」、「你識幾多法律都無用，我話嘅」 [Street filming was often interrupted by police who record [the crew's] personal information, subjecting us to various insults. For instance, some officers would say, "Whether it is legal or not is not for you to decide, it is for me to decide", or "No matter how much law you know, it is useless; I am the one who make the calls."]
^黃蕊獻 (15 October 2021). "【專訪】電影《少年》創作者：初衷純粹，相信故事值得言說". Hong Kong Inmedia (in Chinese). Retrieved 3 January 2025. 拍攝團隊曾至少兩次被警察截查、又威脅要票控599G，變相要變得好靈活，「因為隨時會被中斷，每日都好提心吊膽」 [The filming team was stopped by the police at least twice, and threatened with charges under Cap. 599G, which made it necessary for them to be very flexible. "Because we could be interrupted at any moment, every day was filled with anxiety."]
^祁玲 (12 April 2022). "開拍7天主要演員被捕 他們自掏腰包、向親友籌資成就《少年》". Mirror Media (in Chinese). Retrieved 4 January 2025. 不料僅拍1週被迫停擺，一是金主無預警撤資，再者是主要演員支援「理大圍城」抗爭活動被捕。 [Unexpectedly, after just one week of filming, we were forced to stop. One reason was that the investor withdrew their funding without warning, and the other was that a lead actor was arrested while participating in the 2019 Hong Kong Polytechnic University campus conflict.]
^Fung, Ka-ming (21 November 2021). "拍好電影：《少年》導演任俠、林森訪問——我們都在拯救自己". Ming Pao (in Chinese). Retrieved 3 January 2025. 第一次拍最搞笑，有個阿伯衝出來，勸我們說：後生仔不要打交啊，沒有事情是解決不了的。拍完我們叫cut，他說媽的，原來是拍戲，他付出了真感情。 [The first time we shot was quite funny. An old man rushed out and tried to persuade us, saying: "Young folks, do not fight. There is nothing that cannot be resolved." After we called "cut", he exclaimed, "Damn, I thought it was real!" He really got emotionally involved.]
Overall: Recently created article with no plagiarism and uncited passages. I find this hook, supported by The New York Times, quite compelling. Pass. Lazman321 (talk) 01:06, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Source: "Why else would anyone want to steal 23 tons of dog food? The dog food was stored in bags, each containing 50 pounds, in a trailer behind the Malibu Feed Bin market in Topanga Canyon." –Napa Valley Register
Comment: The article is currently the subject of an ongoing deletion discussion, so I'm aware that the article can't be promoted until that discussion is closed.
Created by Alladode (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 55 past nominations.
Interesting life and work, on plenty of sources, no copyvio obvious. I like the hook. In the article, you may consider saying "nun" (as here) to avoid two "sister" in a row, and check for ref numbers in ascending order. I performed minoe copy-editing, - please check if still correct. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:44, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that the Korean royal palace Deoksugung mixes Korean and Western architecture? Source: [37] "Deoksu Palace has a mix of Korean traditional and Western architecture, reflecting the wave of modernization that hit Korea in the late 19th century."
Expansion length, date (should have been 25 or 27 Jan, but no problem, no edits on Jan 26), hook, QPQ, close paraphrase check ok. Image free on Commons. --Soman (talk) 22:39, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Cannot see any issues here. The source verifies the information and I think the hook will attract readers. Earwig does not show any copyright violations and QPQ is not needed as nominator has less than 5 previous nominations. DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 23:48, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Article is well written and otherwise eligible. My only issue is that per WP:DYKDEFINITE "hooks with exceptional claims, such as 'the first X to do Y' hooks, require exceptional sourcing." - do we have multiple sources or a general agreement that this was, in fact, the first of its kind? PARAKANYAA (talk) 03:18, 27 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@PARAKANYAA: I would say so, yes. The source from Los Angeles Times cited above is a 2017 retrospective, but there are also plenty of contemporary sources that say the same, including:
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