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... that the Korean War allowed Don Bragg to set a UCLA basketball record for most rebounds by a varsity freshman that stood for almost 40 years?
Source: "Because so many college students around the country had left school to serve in the Korean War, the NCAA had temporarily permitted freshmen to play varsity sports." (Wooden: A Coach's Life—offline) "MacLean now has 191 rebounds, setting a school record for varsity freshmen The old mark was 186 by Don Bragg in 1952." (The Camarillo Daily News)
Created by Bagumba (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 109 past nominations.
—Bagumba (talk) 19:17, 8 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241008191700","author":"Bagumba","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Bagumba-20241008191700-Don_Bragg_(basketball)","replies":["c-BeanieFan11-20241008221500-Bagumba-20241008191700"]}}-->
Will review this. BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:15, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241008221500","author":"BeanieFan11","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-BeanieFan11-20241008221500-Bagumba-20241008191700","replies":[]}}-->
Overall: Looks good. My only suggestion would be that the hook might be better to specify that he's a basketball player, e.g. 'that the Korean War allowed Don Bragg to set a UCLA basketball record for most rebounds by a varsity freshman that stood for almost 40 years?' Thoughts? Also, the special occasion request is fine. BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:24, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241008222400","author":"BeanieFan11","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-BeanieFan11-20241008222400-Don_Bragg_(basketball)","replies":["c-Bagumba-20241009030100-BeanieFan11-20241008222400"]}}-->
I was 50–50 on it before; I went and added "basketball" directly to the pipe.—Bagumba (talk) 03:01, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241009030100","author":"Bagumba","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Bagumba-20241009030100-BeanieFan11-20241008222400","replies":[]}}-->
ALT1: ... that comedian Allison Reesecame out to her parents through a group text message? Source: Rodriguez, Alexander (2023-11-19). "Allison Reese is a Comedic Star on the Rise". Metrosource. ISSN1529-935X. Retrieved 2024-08-04. So, I just sent a group text. I was just like, "Hey, think I'm gay. That cool?" Several minutes went by and I was like, oh God. And my dad finally responded, "Yep, you're good." And that's truly it. And my mom called and was like, "Hey, I know you're doing comedy. Is that like a joke?" I was like, no, it's real. And she's like, "Okay!"
Other problems: - If ALT1 is approved, then reference [1] needs to be repeated directly after the sentence "Soon after this, at the age of 22, she came out as a lesbian through a group text message to her parents, who were both supportive of her sexuality." This is necessary per WP:DYKHFC, which says "The facts of the hook in the article should be cited no later than the end of the sentence in which they appear."
QPQ: Done.
Overall: Bsoyka Nice work on this article. I think ALT0 is the most interesting as well, but ALT1 might also work. I'm not sure about ALT2, since many influencers get millions of views for whatever it is that they're known for. Epicgenius (talk) 19:11, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240830191100","author":"Epicgenius","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Epicgenius-20240830191100-Allison_Reese","replies":["c-Launchballer-20240914140900-Epicgenius-20240830191100"]}}-->
@Bsoyka, Epicgenius, and Kimikel: Just noting that I have pulled this from prep 1 as there is already a Kamala hook in queue 7 and there's another in a later prep. I have not in any way assessed the article.--Launchballer14:09, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240914140900","author":"Launchballer","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Launchballer-20240914140900-Epicgenius-20240830191100","replies":["c-Launchballer-20240924221000-Launchballer-20240914140900"],"displayName":"Laun"}}-->
Pulled per WT:DYK#Allison Reese and WP:DYKELECT. Not the nom's fault, and so this shouldn't be timed out. I've moved it to SOHA.--Launchballer22:10, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240924221000","author":"Launchballer","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Launchballer-20240924221000-Launchballer-20240914140900","replies":[],"displayName":"Laun"}}-->
Comment: Noting that with Missouri's polls opening October 23 and in accordance with WP:DYKELECT: if approved, this will have to appear no later than September 23 or be held until after the 2024 United States Senate election in Missouri, to November 6. Thanks, Bobby Cohn (talk) 00:31, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240830003100","author":"Bobby Cohn","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Bobby_Cohn-20240830003100-Manhood:_The_Masculine_Virtues_America_Needs","replies":[]}}-->
Moved to mainspace by Bobby Cohn (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
Bobby Cohn (talk) 00:13, 30 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240830001300","author":"Bobby Cohn","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Bobby_Cohn-20240830001300-Manhood:_The_Masculine_Virtues_America_Needs","replies":["c-Rjjiii-20240928161000-Bobby_Cohn-20240830001300"]}}-->
Copying a comment from this discussion at WT:DYK: "These later election hooks will probably need a lot of scrutiny due to political polarization. This one has a clause that frames Josh Hawley as treasonous. The NYT source there says his publisher dropped him for support of attempts to overturn the 2020 United States presidential election, and specifically hedges on the January 6 United States Capitol attack. Criticism of the book is frequently very negative, mocking Hawley for initially supporting the mob before "running for his life" like a "bitch", so any hook will have a hard time balancing WP:NPOV and WP:DYKBLP. Rjjiii (talk) 01:33, 27 September 2024 (UTC)" If a hook is approved here, it may be wise to get some eyes from WP:BLPN to look it over after. Rjjiii (talk) 16:10, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240928161000","author":"Rjjiii","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Rjjiii-20240928161000-Bobby_Cohn-20240830001300","replies":["c-Bobby_Cohn-20241001140100-Rjjiii-20240928161000"]}}-->
Hi Rjjiii, thanks for linking the separate discussion, I hadn't seen the thread on the template talk page. For future consideration, I've added ALT1 in response to the feedback at that discussion. Bobby Cohn (talk) 14:01, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241001140100","author":"Bobby Cohn","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Bobby_Cohn-20241001140100-Rjjiii-20240928161000","replies":["c-Rjjiii-20241001220100-Bobby_Cohn-20241001140100"]}}-->
Thanks, removed the issue icon above, Rjjiii (talk) 22:01, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241001220100","author":"Rjjiii","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Rjjiii-20241001220100-Bobby_Cohn-20241001140100","replies":["c-Bobby_Cohn-20241011160400-Rjjiii-20241001220100"]}}-->
(Later followup) Hi Rjjiii, I'm realizing that, while I think I did my best to stick to objectionably true statements for the hook and, while I might think it's okay, I realize that other editors may have a different threshold of concern. I've reread WP:DYKBLP and with respect to Note that this is a stricter requirement than BLP as a whole: a sentence that might be due weight in the article can become undue if used in the hook, if the concern is strictly the focus of the reason the author was dropped, I've also added ALT2 (and the even more cautious ALT2a) sticking to just mentioning that it was his second book with the publisher. I'm hoping to alleviate some concerns reviewers may have with regards to the discussion as I'm watching the DYKN proceed further and further back on the nominations page. I'm open to more advice of course. Thanks, Bobby Cohn (talk) 16:04, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241011160400","author":"Bobby Cohn","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Bobby_Cohn-20241011160400-Rjjiii-20241001220100","replies":["c-Rjjiii-20241012120500-Bobby_Cohn-20241011160400"]}}-->
Approving ALT1 and ALT2. Reject original hook. There's no BLP issues with ALT2a, but I don't think a prep builder is likely to promote it. The article itself doesn't have issues with NPOV; the WP:RS are incredibly hostile towards the book. It's also new enough and long enough. Direct quotes are correctly attributed. @Bobby Cohn: Do you mind if I post a link to this nomination at Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard to have someone double check those two hooks more familiar with the policy? Rjjiii (talk) 12:05, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241012120500","author":"Rjjiii","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Rjjiii-20241012120500-Bobby_Cohn-20241011160400","replies":["c-Bobby_Cohn-20241012140100-Rjjiii-20241012120500"]}}-->
@Rjjiii: of course, by all means. Bobby Cohn (talk) 14:01, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241012140100","author":"Bobby Cohn","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Bobby_Cohn-20241012140100-Rjjiii-20241012120500","replies":["c-Rjjiii-20241016010300-Bobby_Cohn-20241012140100"]}}-->
... that Jacques Lewis is believed to have been the last living French veteran of D-Day?
Source: "Believed to be the last surviving Frenchman to wade ashore with Americans, he was attached to an Army unit that stormed Utah Beach and helped drive Germans out of France."
Cited: - The NYT source does not support the hook as written because it only covers the US landings but there were British and Canadian beaches on D-Day too. A claim of first/last is a Redflag and so needs excellent verification.
Interesting:
Other problems: - "Believed" is a weasel word and/or expression of doubt. If this is a definite fact, as it should be, then we should state it as such without such tentative language.
QPQ: - Not provided yet. done Note current discussions about limiting nominations on credit like this. Overall: I'm not sure of the formal status of translations but this review template asks Is the article free of material copied from other sources? and it isn't. The article seemed to need some copy-editing and so further work of that kind may soften the issue. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:04, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240820100400","author":"Andrew Davidson","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Andrew_Davidson-20240820100400-Jacques_Lewis","replies":[],"displayName":"Andrew"}}-->
Thank you for your review. Will fix up shortly. Thriley (talk) 21:47, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240825214700","author":"Thriley","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Thriley-20240825214700-Jacques_Lewis","replies":[]}}-->
ALT1... that Jacques Lewis, a 105 year old French veteran of D-Day, insisted that he participate in a ceremony commemorating the invasion's 80th anniversary? Thriley (talk) 20:55, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240906205500","author":"Thriley","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Thriley-20240906205500-Jacques_Lewis","replies":["c-Z1720-20240917142800-Thriley-20240906205500","c-Thriley-20240919204900-Thriley-20240906205500","c-RoySmith-20240924221600-Thriley-20240906205500","c-Narutolovehinata5-20241007120200-Thriley-20240906205500"]}}-->
@Andrew Davidson: Have your concerns been addressed, and does this hook work? If not, what else needs to be done to get this approved? Z1720 (talk) 14:28, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240917142800","author":"Z1720","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Z1720-20240917142800-Thriley-20240906205500","replies":["c-Andrew_Davidson-20240917145300-Z1720-20240917142800"]}}-->
The QPQ has been done and the ALT1 hook seems ok. I raised the issue of translation at WT:DYK but, iirc, most responders didn't seem to be bothered about this.
Looking at the article, I notice that the lead is too short, being just one sentence, and there's just a generic section title of "Biography" which isn't helpful to the reader. So, some copy-editing still seems needed. I'll keep a tab open and make a pass through it myself to see if that helps or turns up any issues. More anon...
Andrew🐉(talk) 14:53, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240917145300","author":"Andrew Davidson","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Andrew_Davidson-20240917145300-Z1720-20240917142800","replies":[],"displayName":"Andrew"}}-->
Regarding "believed", the is what the New York Times states. It is extremely unlikely there are any other living French vets of the American landings on D-Day. I'll change it to "was" if there are no objections. Thriley (talk) 20:49, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240919204900","author":"Thriley","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Thriley-20240919204900-Thriley-20240906205500","replies":[]}}-->
I can't find a single WP:RS which says he was the last survivor. On the other hand, I've found plenty of sources (both American and French) which equivocate with "believed to be", "one of", or similar.[4][5][6][7][8] so we should do the same. RoySmith(talk)22:16, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240924221600","author":"RoySmith","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-RoySmith-20240924221600-Thriley-20240906205500","replies":["c-Thriley-20240930200700-RoySmith-20240924221600"]}}-->
@RoySmith: I have changed it to "believed to be" Thriley (talk) 20:07, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240930200700","author":"Thriley","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Thriley-20240930200700-RoySmith-20240924221600","replies":[]}}-->
@Thriley, Andrew Davidson, and RoySmith: What is the status of this nomination? It times out in a few days, so any remaining issues will need to be resolved by then. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:02, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241007120200","author":"Narutolovehinata5","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Narutolovehinata5-20241007120200-Thriley-20240906205500","replies":["c-RoySmith-20241007124800-Narutolovehinata5-20241007120200","c-Andrew_Davidson-20241007211300-Narutolovehinata5-20241007120200"]}}-->
As far as I can tell, Andrew Davidson is doing the review. I just had one drive-by comment to make. RoySmith(talk)12:48, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241007124800","author":"RoySmith","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-RoySmith-20241007124800-Narutolovehinata5-20241007120200","replies":[]}}-->
Equivocal weasels are not adequate for a claim of being last. Note that Macron made no such claim in his eulogy after the subject's death. As stated above, I'm ok with the ALT1 hook but not the first one. Andrew🐉(talk) 21:13, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241007211300","author":"Andrew Davidson","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Andrew_Davidson-20241007211300-Narutolovehinata5-20241007120200","replies":["c-Thriley-20241008164900-Andrew_Davidson-20241007211300"],"displayName":"Andrew"}}-->
I have striked the initial hook. Thriley (talk) 16:49, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241008164900","author":"Thriley","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Thriley-20241008164900-Andrew_Davidson-20241007211300","replies":["c-Thriley-20241008165400-Thriley-20241008164900"]}}-->
It would be nice if this could run on November 11 which is Veterans Day in the United States. Thriley (talk) 16:54, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241008165400","author":"Thriley","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Thriley-20241008165400-Thriley-20241008164900","replies":["c-Flibirigit-20241008175200-Thriley-20241008165400","c-Andrew_Davidson-20241008195000-Thriley-20241008165400"]}}-->
I concur that Remembrance Day on 11 November is an appropriate special occasion request for this nomination. Flibirigit (talk) 17:52, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241008175200","author":"Flibirigit","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Flibirigit-20241008175200-Thriley-20241008165400","replies":[]}}-->
Yes, that's a good idea. As we have consensus about the hook now, here's a tick to make it official. Andrew🐉(talk) 19:50, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241008195000","author":"Andrew Davidson","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Andrew_Davidson-20241008195000-Thriley-20241008165400","replies":["c-Flibirigit-20241008202800-Andrew_Davidson-20241008195000"],"displayName":"Andrew"}}-->
Approved nomination has been placed in the special occasion holding area for November 11. Flibirigit (talk) 20:28, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241008202800","author":"Flibirigit","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Flibirigit-20241008202800-Andrew_Davidson-20241008195000","replies":[]}}-->
Comment: A.K.A. C for Charlie (as a handful online have nicknamed the 1957 version for almost a decade and a half now). Filler project in light of higher-priority AFC tasks; inspired by this August 2024 filing at the Literature StackExchange, which came up on the parent service's "Hot Network Questons" feed one day during my perusal at GIS.SE (I'm currently engaged in a comeback geofictional project). First of two DYK nominations from yours truly today; stay tuned in a few hours for the other one.
Created by Slgrandson (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 9 past nominations.
Slgrandson (How's myegg-throwing coleslaw?) 20:21, 20 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240820202100","author":"Slgrandson","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Slgrandson-20240820202100-Hammond's_Hard_Lines","replies":["c-Narutolovehinata5-20240829231600-Slgrandson-20240820202100"]}}-->
Note that the hook as currently written might possibly not meet WP:DYKFICTION; as such, it will either need to be revised with additional real-world context, or a new hook needs to be proposed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:16, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240829231600","author":"Narutolovehinata5","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Narutolovehinata5-20240829231600-Slgrandson-20240820202100","replies":["c-Z1720-20240908234200-Narutolovehinata5-20240829231600"]}}-->
@Slgrandson: Please address the above. Z1720 (talk) 23:42, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240908234200","author":"Z1720","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Z1720-20240908234200-Narutolovehinata5-20240829231600","replies":["c-Narutolovehinata5-20240910005500-Z1720-20240908234200"]}}-->
ALT1 as currently written is inaccurate: there are countless examples from anime and manga alone, let alone other genres of literature. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:55, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240910005500","author":"Narutolovehinata5","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Narutolovehinata5-20240910005500-Z1720-20240908234200","replies":["c-Slgrandson-20240913030400-Narutolovehinata5-20240910005500"]}}-->
ALT1b: ... that Hammond's Hard Lines was one of the few school stories by a British author to feature fantasy in its plot?Source: Wotton, Joy; Auchmuty, Rosemary, eds. (2000). "Skelton Kuppord (Pseudonym for Sir John Adams)". The Encyclopaedia of School Stories. Ashgate. p. 211. ISBN0-7546-0083-1. Retrieved 2024-09-08 – via Google Books Snippets.(Emphasis on the nationality this time; apologies if I didn't sign last time.) --Slgrandson (How's myegg-throwing coleslaw?) 03:04, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240913030400","author":"Slgrandson","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Slgrandson-20240913030400-Narutolovehinata5-20240910005500","replies":["c-Narutolovehinata5-20240916001700-Slgrandson-20240913030400","c-Narutolovehinata5-20240917101000-Slgrandson-20240913030400"]}}-->
I really have doubts about this angle to be honest. It's a rather exceptional claim and thus needs exceptional sourcing, and I can't imagine that the hook is actually all that accurate, especially when Harry Potter exists. The term "few" in this case is also vague. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:17, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240916001700","author":"Narutolovehinata5","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Narutolovehinata5-20240916001700-Slgrandson-20240913030400","replies":[]}}-->
It also has to be noted that the "by a British author" is not supported by the article or quote either, so unless that's resolved then ALT1b fails verification. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:10, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240917101000","author":"Narutolovehinata5","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Narutolovehinata5-20240917101000-Slgrandson-20240913030400","replies":["c-Slgrandson-20240919045500-Narutolovehinata5-20240917101000"]}}-->
That could work, but this would still need a full review. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:50, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240923005000","author":"Narutolovehinata5","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-Narutolovehinata5-20240923005000-Slgrandson-20240919045500","replies":[]}}-->
The article is new and long enough, appropriately cited, and free from CV, NPOV issues, etc. However, I think the article overuses square brackets to alter quotes far beyond what's needed for clarity. Per MOS:PMC (No relation), we should be altering quotes as little as possible. In most of the cases in this article it's unnecessary (in the box quote, why add commas that weren't in the original?), and mostly could be written around instead of altering the quote. For example, the quote that has been altered to "In spite of [the] limitations [stemming from the text's simplification,]" could be rendered as something like The Woman Teacher observed that "the story flows smoothly and is interesting" despite having been simplified". This should be corrected before the article runs.
As for the hook, ALT2 is not particularly interesting, in my opinion. It boils down to a mildly positive review that mentions the genre. If we're going to do a quote hook, the Liverpool Post and Mercury review, with its comment about how the book is "dangerously experimental", seems much more hooky, since the average reader will wonder what on earth is dangerous about a milquetoast boys adventure story. ♠PMC♠ (talk)01:56, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241003015600","author":"Premeditated Chaos","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Premeditated_Chaos-20241003015600-Hammond's_Hard_Lines","replies":["c-RoySmith-20241009014200-Premeditated_Chaos-20241003015600","c-Slgrandson-20241009203900-Premeditated_Chaos-20241003015600","c-Narutolovehinata5-20241014021400-Premeditated_Chaos-20241003015600"],"displayName":"PMC"}}-->
Premeditated Chaos I think you're being overly strict about the quotes. If this was WP:FAC, that would be a valid issue, but DYK doesn't require any WP:MOS compliance. It's good to point out ways the article could be improved, but I don't think it's fair to hold up approval based on criteria beyond what WP:DYKG requires. RoySmith(talk)01:42, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241009014200","author":"RoySmith","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-RoySmith-20241009014200-Premeditated_Chaos-20241003015600","replies":["c-Premeditated_Chaos-20241009021500-RoySmith-20241009014200"]}}-->
My non-approval was far more about the hook being boring than about the quote issue. ♠PMC♠ (talk)02:15, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241009021500","author":"Premeditated Chaos","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Premeditated_Chaos-20241009021500-RoySmith-20241009014200","replies":[],"displayName":"PMC"}}-->
I think ALT3 is much more likely to attract clicks. Still think the quotes ought to be fixed, but I won't hold up promotion on it. I just looked at your QPQ though and I don't know that it's sufficient - WP:QPQ says it ought to be a "full review", but all that was done at Template:Did you know nominations/Takara's Treasure was to add a tick to another user's review. Do you have any full reviews to substitute? ♠PMC♠ (talk)05:30, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241010053000","author":"Premeditated Chaos","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Premeditated_Chaos-20241010053000-Slgrandson-20241009203900","replies":["c-Narutolovehinata5-20241012103600-Premeditated_Chaos-20241010053000"],"displayName":"PMC"}}-->
@Slgrandson: Please note that the nomination times out in two days, so please promptly address any remaining concerns. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:36, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241012103600","author":"Narutolovehinata5","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Narutolovehinata5-20241012103600-Premeditated_Chaos-20241010053000","replies":[]}}-->
No response from the nominator regarding the QPQ question, and the nomination is now two months old as of today. Marking for closure per WP:DYKTIMEOUT, without prejudice against it continuing if the QPQ issue is addressed before the nomination is closed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:14, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241014021400","author":"Narutolovehinata5","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Narutolovehinata5-20241014021400-Premeditated_Chaos-20241003015600","replies":["c-Slgrandson-20241014171700-Narutolovehinata5-20241014021400"]}}-->
@Narutolovehinata5: Pinging back in after a long, Wi-Fi-less weekend post-Milton. (As a reminder, I'm based in Dover, Florida [in the vicinity of the affected area]; bear with me here, and I hope you understand.) Any concerns left? --Slgrandson (How's myegg-throwing coleslaw?) 17:17, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241014171700","author":"Slgrandson","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Slgrandson-20241014171700-Narutolovehinata5-20241014021400","replies":["c-Launchballer-20241014194500-Slgrandson-20241014171700"]}}-->
@Slgrandson: You need to complete a full QPQ as the one you supplied is not sufficient.--Launchballer19:45, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241014194500","author":"Launchballer","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Launchballer-20241014194500-Slgrandson-20241014171700","replies":["c-Slgrandson-20241014203300-Launchballer-20241014194500"],"displayName":"Laun"}}-->
@Launchballer: As now provided above. --Slgrandson (How's myegg-throwing coleslaw?) 20:33, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241014203300","author":"Slgrandson","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Slgrandson-20241014203300-Launchballer-20241014194500","replies":["c-Premeditated_Chaos-20241014203900-Slgrandson-20241014203300"]}}-->
Slgrandson, the new one is not better. It's merely a comment. Do you understand that a qualifying WP:QPQ needs to be a full review, as I noted above? ♠PMC♠ (talk)20:39, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241014203900","author":"Premeditated Chaos","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Premeditated_Chaos-20241014203900-Slgrandson-20241014203300","replies":["c-Slgrandson-20241014210400-Premeditated_Chaos-20241014203900"],"displayName":"PMC"}}-->
@Premeditated Chaos: New replacement provided. --Slgrandson (How's myegg-throwing coleslaw?) 21:04, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241014210400","author":"Slgrandson","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Slgrandson-20241014210400-Premeditated_Chaos-20241014203900","replies":["c-Premeditated_Chaos-20241015000800-Slgrandson-20241014210400"]}}-->
Slgrandson, I am genuinely not trying to be obstructive, but your comment there does not address the majority of things that are supposed to be addressed in a full DYK review. You have not addressed newness, length, the nominator's QPQ, or interestingness and length of the hook. You say "GBooks preview firmly checks out, matching the text in the article" but it's not clear whether you're verifying the hook here or just spot checking the source in general. And in point of fact, the hook there doesn't match the article text - the hook says the practice "has been traced back to the 12th century", but the article text says that that academic "traces the origin...to the 11th century". Please expand your review there, such that it properly addresses all aspects that a DYK review should address. ♠PMC♠ (talk)00:08, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241015000800","author":"Premeditated Chaos","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Premeditated_Chaos-20241015000800-Slgrandson-20241014210400","replies":["c-BlueMoonset-20241018035500-Premeditated_Chaos-20241015000800"],"displayName":"PMC"}}-->
PMC, does the updated review meet the criteria? Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:55, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241018035500","author":"BlueMoonset","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-BlueMoonset-20241018035500-Premeditated_Chaos-20241015000800","replies":[]}}-->
Yes, with apologies for my delay in replying. We're set to go here. ♠PMC♠ (talk)19:11, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241019191100","author":"Premeditated Chaos","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Premeditated_Chaos-20241019191100-Hammond's_Hard_Lines","replies":[],"displayName":"PMC"}}-->
Created by Kowal2701 (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
Kowal2701 (talk) 16:25, 31 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240831162500","author":"Kowal2701","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Kowal2701-20240831162500-List_of_oral_repositories","replies":["c-Piotrus-20240926021100-Kowal2701-20240831162500"]}}-->
ALT1 that in indigenous societies people serve as oral repositories of knowledge, values, and morals, and have been termed "walking libraries"? [11]
ALT2 that in oral cultures people serve as repositories of knowledge, values, and morals, and have been termed "walking libraries"?
Draft published on 30 August, so this was nominated within required time. Hooks are fine (I think ALT0 is the best). But the problem is that much of the article is unreferenced. While only one sentence of prose needs a citation, half if not more entries in the tables do not have citations. I am also confused why for some rows, the citations are in different columns. Ex. Most entries in 'term' have references, but occasionally entries in others have referneces too. This is messy, and I'd suggest adding a new column 'sources' or such and moving references there, IF they are supporting all claims in the row. But there are cleary some rows with no citations (ex. Sangoma). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here02:11, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240926021100","author":"Piotrus","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Piotrus-20240926021100-Kowal2701-20240831162500","replies":["c-Kowal2701-20241016141000-Piotrus-20240926021100","c-Piotrus-20241020022500-Piotrus-20240926021100"],"displayName":"Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus"}}-->
Thank you, good idea, I’ll create a new column. I thought you wouldn’t need a citation for articles on Wikipedia since that makes them non-contestable, but that is just WP:Circular.Kowal2701 (talk) 14:10, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241016141000","author":"Kowal2701","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Kowal2701-20241016141000-Piotrus-20240926021100","replies":[]}}-->
Yes, it is GTG now, I am assuming that refs for each column are sufficient to confirm the rest of the information in it per AGF. Spot checks can be done if this ever goes up for WP:GAN (which I do encourage you as the next step). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here02:25, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241020022500","author":"Piotrus","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Piotrus-20241020022500-Piotrus-20240926021100","replies":[],"displayName":"Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus"}}-->
Comment: Per DYK guidelines, there is a two day eligibility window following a week after creation so it should fall within this window. Thank you for the reviewer for your time in advance! ALT1 is a bit lengthy, so I am open to any ways for it to be shortened while keeping the hook-iness.
Created by Ornithoptera (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 40 past nominations.
Ornithoptera (talk) 20:28, 7 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240907202800","author":"Ornithoptera","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ornithoptera-20240907202800-Mitch_Torres","replies":[]}}-->
Overall: Oh, "Minister of White Affairs" got a good belly laugh out of me! New enough and long enough. Earwig gives 47%, but everything is the name of an award, so it looks okay. Hook fact for ALT1 checks out. ALT0, however... given the history of "first" statements on the main page, I'm not sure if the sourcing is solid enough. Two of the four references for her being the first indigenous presenter are film festivals, where participants often provide their own biodata. The other two are a bit more solid, but at the same time a "first" claim gives me pause. ALT1 should be okay, but ALT0 will need further discussion if you'd rather use it. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 01:21, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241011012100","author":"Crisco 1492","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Crisco_1492-20241011012100-Mitch_Torres","replies":["c-Ornithoptera-20241016023600-Crisco_1492-20241011012100","c-Crisco_1492-20241016100000-Crisco_1492-20241011012100"],"displayName":"Chris Woodrich"}}-->
Hi Crisco 1492! Thank you for taking the time to look through the article! Apologies for the late response, I've had a busy week. I feel like the Australian Film Television and Radio School is a reliable secondary source, but it's hard to verify outside of that. If that does not pass in order to include in the hook, we can workshop an alternative that is without Torres' biographical details and skips straight to the "self proclaimed damper destroyer" quote? Ornithoptera (talk) 02:36, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241016023600","author":"Ornithoptera","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ornithoptera-20241016023600-Crisco_1492-20241011012100","replies":["c-Crisco_1492-20241016092700-Ornithoptera-20241016023600","c-Ornithoptera-20241016093600-Ornithoptera-20241016023600"]}}-->
Hi Ornithoptera, and no worries about the delay. I agree that AFTRS is a reliable secondary source, but "first" claims... I'm very hesitant with "first" hooks, especially since even after workshopping they sometimes end up causing issues even with RSes supporting them. If we were to rework it without the "first", I'd be comfortable signing off. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 09:27, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241016092700","author":"Crisco 1492","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Crisco_1492-20241016092700-Ornithoptera-20241016023600","replies":[],"displayName":"Chris Woodrich"}}-->
Thanks for getting back to me, per your suggestion, I will provide the following alternative hook:
A bit of a simplified version of ALT0, but it's simple and gets to the point. Frankly, Babakiueria's plot is very hook-y so there is a bit of a preference for ALT1 at the end of the day for the DYK admins. Torres has a very long career, and I'm very thankful you took the time to go through the article Crisco 1492! Cheers! Ornithoptera (talk) 09:36, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241016093600","author":"Ornithoptera","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Ornithoptera-20241016093600-Ornithoptera-20241016023600","replies":[]}}-->
Perfect! Thank you, Ornithoptera. ALT1 and ALT2 approved. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 10:00, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241016100000","author":"Crisco 1492","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Crisco_1492-20241016100000-Crisco_1492-20241011012100","replies":[],"displayName":"Chris Woodrich"}}-->
Articles created/expanded on August 31
Anaïs Gallagher, Oasis Live '25 Tour, Filthy Lucre Tour
Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Sebastian Zouberbuhler (double nom)Abortion in Africa (triple nom, see below)
Comment: Many thanks to Aibo22 for creating an article about a topic I had previously written an article about, but which was deleted at AfD 9+ years ago. Oasis Live '25 Tour is a 5x expansion of an article created less than a week ago.
Launchballer15:28, 31 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240831152800","author":"Launchballer","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Launchballer-20240831152800-Ana\u00efs_Gallagher,_Oasis_Live_'25_Tour,_Filthy_Lucre_Tour","replies":["c-Narutolovehinata5-20240902042900-Launchballer-20240831152800","c-BlueMoonset-20241013191500-Launchballer-20240831152800"],"displayName":"Laun"}}-->
@Launchballer: Since this is a double nomination, you will need to provide an additional QPQ. Thanks. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:29, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240902042900","author":"Narutolovehinata5","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Narutolovehinata5-20240902042900-Launchballer-20240831152800","replies":["c-Launchballer-20240902055500-Narutolovehinata5-20240902042900"]}}-->
I have. That's a double nom.--Launchballer05:55, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240902055500","author":"Launchballer","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Launchballer-20240902055500-Narutolovehinata5-20240902042900","replies":["c-Narutolovehinata5-20240902063100-Launchballer-20240902055500"],"displayName":"Laun"}}-->
Apologies for not noticing! Just make it clear in the nomination so that a reviewer will be aware. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 06:31, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240902063100","author":"Narutolovehinata5","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Narutolovehinata5-20240902063100-Launchballer-20240902055500","replies":["c-Launchballer-20240902084600-Narutolovehinata5-20240902063100"]}}-->
A reviewer should check before ticking it off, but I've added a note anyway. As for adding an additional QPQ, there's probably just enough room for "that after Liam and Noel Gallagher's band Oasis announced for 2025 "the most controversial band reunion since the Sex Pistols' 1996 Filthy Lucre Tour", Noel's daughter Anaïs Gallagher criticised some fans for ageism and sexism?", so you might get lucky. I should probably write the third article first though.--Launchballer08:46, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240902084600","author":"Launchballer","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Launchballer-20240902084600-Narutolovehinata5-20240902063100","replies":["c-Launchballer-20240919021700-Launchballer-20240902084600"],"displayName":"Laun"}}-->
@Narutolovehinata5: I have just published Filthy Lucre Tour and would like to nominate it using the QPQ Abortion in Senegal, which I reviewed as part of the triple nom Abortion in Africa. I was wondering if you objected to me swapping out the double I've provided for this with that triple?--Launchballer02:17, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240919021700","author":"Launchballer","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Launchballer-20240919021700-Launchballer-20240902084600","replies":["c-Narutolovehinata5-20240919022700-Launchballer-20240919021700"],"displayName":"Laun"}}-->
As long as the Abortion in Africa QPQ is already a complete review and you plan on reusing the current QPQ in a future nomination, it shouldn't be an issue. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:27, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240919022700","author":"Narutolovehinata5","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Narutolovehinata5-20240919022700-Launchballer-20240919021700","replies":["c-Launchballer-20240919024300-Narutolovehinata5-20240919022700"]}}-->
I've covered everything in that review, so I've adjusted this nomination. For what it's worth, I'm planning on swapping the double nom for the two singles at The Cock Destroyers and using those on future noms for Talk Talk (Charli XCX song) and Have I Got News For You (US).--Launchballer02:43, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240919024300","author":"Launchballer","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-Launchballer-20240919024300-Narutolovehinata5-20240919022700","replies":[],"displayName":"Laun"}}-->
Full review needed now that QPQ has been submitted. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:15, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241013191500","author":"BlueMoonset","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-BlueMoonset-20241013191500-Launchballer-20240831152800","replies":[]}}-->
Overall: Managed to score tickets to this... here's hoping there's no cancellations! I'm seeing a big red flag with Earwig for Anais; 96.7% possibility of copying. This maybe be a backwards copy, but that should be marked on the talk page. For the Tour, there's a 46% chance, but that's due to quotes that are properly attributed. Filthy lucre has similar results. Everything else looks good for all three articles. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 20:15, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241015201500","author":"Crisco 1492","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Crisco_1492-20241015201500-Ana\u00efs_Gallagher,_Oasis_Live_'25_Tour,_Filthy_Lucre_Tour","replies":["c-Launchballer-20241015203100-Crisco_1492-20241015201500"],"displayName":"Chris Woodrich"}}-->
I've added the Anais backwards copy to the talk page. What else do I need to do?--Launchballer20:31, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241015203100","author":"Launchballer","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Launchballer-20241015203100-Crisco_1492-20241015201500","replies":["c-Crisco_1492-20241015220600-Launchballer-20241015203100"],"displayName":"Laun"}}-->
That should do it. Thanks! — Chris Woodrich (talk) 22:06, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241015220600","author":"Crisco 1492","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Crisco_1492-20241015220600-Launchballer-20241015203100","replies":[],"displayName":"Chris Woodrich"}}-->
Comment: Slag Wars 5x expanded on 11 September from this edit. I had no idea More was bringing it back.
Moved to mainspace by Launchballer (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 249 past nominations.
Launchballer17:09, 31 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240831170900","author":"Launchballer","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Launchballer-20240831170900-The_Cock_Destroyers","replies":[],"displayName":"Laun"}}-->
Overall: Both articles are new enough and long enough (Slag Wars doesn't register as 5x by the DYK tool, but comparing the pre-expansion version it is 7x). All of the hooks are cited and meet DYKINT, though my personal preference is ALT2 (ALT0 focuses on a third party, ALT1 relies on knowledge of Healy, and ALT3 is "people get famous, are featured on BBC"). Images both appear free, being extracted from free videos. No close paraphrasing found - Earwig flags one source at 53%, but that's because of the large block quote. Looks good to go! — Chris Woodrich (talk) 21:51, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241011215100","author":"Crisco 1492","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Crisco_1492-20241011215100-The_Cock_Destroyers","replies":["c-Launchballer-20241011220000-Crisco_1492-20241011215100"],"displayName":"Chris Woodrich"}}-->
Thank you! The reason Slag Wars doesn't register as 5x is because DYKcheck picks up stuff from this version, which picks up around 563 false positive characters from an unformatted list.--Launchballer22:00, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241011220000","author":"Launchballer","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Launchballer-20241011220000-Crisco_1492-20241011215100","replies":["c-Crisco_1492_mobile-20241012025500-Launchballer-20241011220000"],"displayName":"Laun"}}-->
I figured it was something like that. I do like this approach to 5x... cleaning up an article only to find it was disqualified by things beyond your control used to suck.Crisco 1492 mobile (talk) 02:55, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241012025500","author":"Crisco 1492 mobile","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Crisco_1492_mobile-20241012025500-Launchballer-20241011220000","replies":[]}}-->
ALT1 ...that while adult Silver porgies prefer to inhabit the surf zone, juveniles prefer tidepools while sub-adults frequent beds of seagrass? Sources: Wells, V. Carpenter, C. 2011. A Field Guide to Coastal Fishes from Maine to Texas. Baltimore. Johns Hopkins University Press. Robins, C.R. and G.C. Ray, 1986. A field guide to Atlantic coast fishes of North America. Houghton Mifflin Company, Boston, U.S.A. 354 p. Cervigón, F., 1993. Los peces marinos de Venezuela. Volume 2. Fundación Científica Los Roques, Caracas,Venezuela. 497 p.
Created by Ryan shell (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 11 past nominations.
Ryan shell (talk) 19:10, 2 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240902191000","author":"Ryan shell","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ryan_shell-20240902191000-Diplodus_argenteus","replies":["c-Miraclepine-20240902204800-Ryan_shell-20240902191000"]}}-->
Doing...ミラP@Miraclepine20:48, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240902204800","author":"Miraclepine","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Miraclepine-20240902204800-Ryan_shell-20240902191000","replies":[],"displayName":"\u30df\u30e9P"}}-->
Adequate sourcing: - I will kindly AGF the offline sources, but many parts of the article is unsourced. Paragraph four has an unsourced statement, and the "Biology" paragraph is unsourced; there’s also one ending in "FAO REF?". Ref 1 doesn't specify it's a "gamefish" beyond vague "if fished incidentally" (which doesn't clarify individual scale nor if it's done commercially or recreationally, especially when next to "commercial importance") nor mention angling. I can't seem to find the 2.5g weight in ref 11. Ref 16 doesn’t say “the silver porgy is generally standoffish and seldom approaches divers”; while it says “D. argenteus had always been seen in the gulfs”, it doesn’t go beyond only a few year-round divers identifying the species. "Or anything to do with Argentina's etymology" seems so OR-y and debatable; both of them come from the same Latin word.
QPQ: - None provided. Overall: Nom four days after creation and size at 3871. There are several sourcing issues you'll have to fix, as well as a QPQ to provide; see above. Also, it would help if you could provide online links to the refs since it'll make the reviewers' jobs better; I had to find some of them myself with the WP:LIBRARY providing access to some of them, and I’ve linked them in the refs. And please refrain from using redundant sources; I only needed 12/13 to verify one of the claims that also had ref 9 attached. ミラP@Miraclepine22:13, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240902221300","author":"Miraclepine","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Miraclepine-20240902221300-Diplodus_argenteus","replies":["c-Ryan_shell-20240906025300-Miraclepine-20240902221300","c-Crisco_1492_mobile-20241007115000-Miraclepine-20240902221300"],"displayName":"\u30df\u30e9P"}}-->
I believe I've fixed most of the more pressing issues around left over annotations and poor sourcing. That said, I recognize that there could be a case to be made for OR and have provided an alternative hook, that I am much more in favor of using. In the coming day's I'll probably delete or rewrite problematic areas as I dig up and cross check source problems. Ryan shell (talk) 02:53, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240906025300","author":"Ryan shell","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ryan_shell-20240906025300-Miraclepine-20240902221300","replies":["c-Schwede66-20240907183000-Ryan_shell-20240906025300"]}}-->
The most pressing issue is the missing QPQ. They are due at the time of nomination and if it is still missing a week later, the nomination will be rejected. Schwede6618:30, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240907183000","author":"Schwede66","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Schwede66-20240907183000-Ryan_shell-20240906025300","replies":["c-Ryan_shell-20240907200500-Schwede66-20240907183000"],"displayName":"Schwede"}}-->
Just finished QPQ for the nom of Huang Shaoqiang. Not sure if adding it here will suffice or notRyan shell (talk) 20:05, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240907200500","author":"Ryan shell","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Ryan_shell-20240907200500-Schwede66-20240907183000","replies":["c-Crisco_1492-20240907213800-Ryan_shell-20240907200500"]}}-->
Link to review for convenience: Template:Did you know nominations/Huang Shaoqiang. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 21:38, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240907213800","author":"Crisco 1492","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Crisco_1492-20240907213800-Ryan_shell-20240907200500","replies":["c-Miraclepine-20240909152500-Crisco_1492-20240907213800"],"displayName":"Chris Woodrich"}}-->
@Ryan shell: While the ALT1 seems boring, I'm fine with ALT0 because the issue I raised was on being related to Argentina's etymology but not Argentina the country. That said, while the gamefish issue has been fixed - I crossed off the ref 16 issue because I put in the wrong ref, silly me - no other issues have been resolved and the article still has unsourced paragraphs. BTW I'm pretty sure it's more convenient to add the QPQ in the "Reviewed" line. ミラP@Miraclepine15:25, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240909152500","author":"Miraclepine","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Miraclepine-20240909152500-Crisco_1492-20240907213800","replies":["c-Ryan_shell-20240914203500-Miraclepine-20240909152500"],"displayName":"\u30df\u30e9P"}}-->
@ミラP Mission citations related to the Biology section and fisheries information has been cited. Uncited issue in paragraph four has also been cited. The 'probably' into 'probability' typo has also been corrected. Ryan shell (talk) 20:35, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240914203500","author":"Ryan shell","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Ryan_shell-20240914203500-Miraclepine-20240909152500","replies":["c-Miraclepine-20240914212800-Ryan_shell-20240914203500"]}}-->
@Ryan shell: Have checked the sources and I can finally approve ALT0. I'm not sure ALT1 is hooky enough though, and even if it is "silver porgies" should be uncapitalized. ミラP@Miraclepine21:28, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240914212800","author":"Miraclepine","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Miraclepine-20240914212800-Ryan_shell-20240914203500","replies":[],"displayName":"\u30df\u30e9P"}}-->
Just noting that I've edited ALT0 for grammar. Crisco 1492 mobile (talk) 11:50, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241007115000","author":"Crisco 1492 mobile","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Crisco_1492_mobile-20241007115000-Miraclepine-20240902221300","replies":[]}}-->
... that the Chinese sculptor Pan He used his Reunion to commemorate both the handover of Macau and his return to his beloved cousin?
Source: Jiang, Xinchen (November 26, 2020). "潘鹤：渔女之父的珠海情缘" [Pan He: The Father of the Fisherwoman and His Love for Zhuhai]. Southcn.com (in Chinese). China South Publishing & MediaGroup. Archived from the original on September 1, 2024. Retrieved September 1, 2024.
ALT1: ... that the Chinese sculptor Pan He created the Zhuhai Fisher Girl(pictured), an icon of Zhuhai? Source: Jiang, Xinchen (November 26, 2020). "潘鹤：渔女之父的珠海情缘" [Pan He: The Father of the Fisherwoman and His Love for Zhuhai]. Southcn.com (in Chinese). China South Publishing & MediaGroup. Archived from the original on September 1, 2024. Retrieved September 1, 2024.
Comment: Personally I prefer ALT1, as Zhuhai Fisher Girl is new but doesn't qualify as it wasn't 5x on the split.
Created by Crisco 1492 (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 677 past nominations.
— Chris Woodrich (talk) 16:28, 2 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240902162800","author":"Crisco 1492","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Crisco_1492-20240902162800-Pan_He","replies":["c-Launchballer-20240903004200-Crisco_1492-20240902162800","c-Crisco_1492-20240903012700-Crisco_1492-20240902162800"],"displayName":"Chris Woodrich"}}-->
Not a review, but the copied paragraph from Zhuhai was 1311 characters and Zhuhai Fisher Girl is now 5904, which is a 4.5x expansion. I'd IAR that. You'd need a second QPQ for it though.--Launchballer00:42, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240903004200","author":"Launchballer","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Launchballer-20240903004200-Crisco_1492-20240902162800","replies":["c-Crisco_1492-20240903010700-Launchballer-20240903004200"],"displayName":"Laun"}}-->
Oh, I'd love that. I can rework this tomorrow as a double nom. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 01:07, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240903010700","author":"Crisco 1492","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Crisco_1492-20240903010700-Launchballer-20240903004200","replies":["c-Launchballer-20240903012400-Crisco_1492-20240903010700"],"displayName":"Chris Woodrich"}}-->
Apologies, I should have said "not a review (and I review oldest first so would not get to this any time soon)". (Not sure why I forgot, I say that literally every other time.)--Launchballer01:24, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240903012400","author":"Launchballer","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Launchballer-20240903012400-Crisco_1492-20240903010700","replies":["c-Crisco_1492-20240903012700-Launchballer-20240903012400"],"displayName":"Laun"}}-->
Oh, no worries - I review the same way. I didn't even think of requesting IAR, which is what "I'd love that" refers to. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 01:27, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240903012700","author":"Crisco 1492","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Crisco_1492-20240903012700-Launchballer-20240903012400","replies":[],"displayName":"Chris Woodrich"}}-->
Per above, requesting IAR for Zhuhai Fisher Girl. Also noting that the text on the original paragraph was trimmed by ~150 characters. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 01:27, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240903012700","author":"Crisco 1492","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Crisco_1492-20240903012700-Crisco_1492-20240902162800","replies":["c-Launchballer-20240903013200-Crisco_1492-20240903012700"],"displayName":"Chris Woodrich"}}-->
Full review needed for both articles.--Launchballer01:32, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240903013200","author":"Launchballer","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Launchballer-20240903013200-Crisco_1492-20240903012700","replies":[],"displayName":"Laun"}}-->
Overall: Both articles are well-written and well-sourced. Spotchecked the Chinese sources and they all appear to be fine. Earwig shows that the articles are copyvio free. Good to go with ALT1, which includes both articles in the hook, as requested by the nominator. —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul）13:56, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241015135600","author":"Prince of Erebor","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Prince_of_Erebor-20241015135600-Pan_He","replies":["c-Crisco_1492-20241015150700-Prince_of_Erebor-20241015135600"]}}-->
Thank you! Striking ALT0. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 15:07, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241015150700","author":"Crisco 1492","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Crisco_1492-20241015150700-Prince_of_Erebor-20241015135600","replies":[],"displayName":"Chris Woodrich"}}-->
... that Yang Pao'an(pictured) held several roles in the Kuomintang, but was executed by the party?
Source: Meng, Hong (24 May 2021). "杨匏安：对党"公忠不可忘"的先驱" [Yang Pao-an: A Pioneer Who Was "Unforgettable in His Loyalty to the Party"]. People's Daily (in Chinese). Central Committee of the Chinese Communist Party. Archived from the original on 3 September 2024. Retrieved 3 September 2024.
ALT1: ... that the Chinese communist Yang Pao'an(pictured) drew from Japanese thought? Source: Meng, Hong (24 May 2021). "杨匏安：对党"公忠不可忘"的先驱" [Yang Pao-an: A Pioneer Who Was "Unforgettable in His Loyalty to the Party"]. People's Daily (in Chinese). Central Committee of the Chinese Communist Party. Archived from the original on 3 September 2024. Retrieved 3 September 2024.
Created by Crisco 1492 (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 678 past nominations.
— Chris Woodrich (talk) 22:01, 3 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240903220100","author":"Crisco 1492","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Crisco_1492-20240903220100-Yang_Pao-an","replies":["c-Crisco_1492-20240904002300-Crisco_1492-20240903220100"],"displayName":"Chris Woodrich"}}-->
Please note that there is currently a move request on the talk page. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:23, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240904002300","author":"Crisco 1492","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Crisco_1492-20240904002300-Crisco_1492-20240903220100","replies":["c-Crisco_1492-20240911094400-Crisco_1492-20240904002300"],"displayName":"Chris Woodrich"}}-->
Move request has closed. Article should be okay. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 09:44, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240911094400","author":"Crisco 1492","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Crisco_1492-20240911094400-Crisco_1492-20240904002300","replies":[],"displayName":"Chris Woodrich"}}-->
Overall: @Crisco 1492: Hi Chris! Overall, this is a well-sourced and well-written article. It was submitted on the day it was created, so it is new enough. Earwig also shows that the article is copyvio free. However, I have some concerns about the hook. I do not find it particularly interesting, and the reason for Yang's execution is not clearly conveyed. The People's Daily source cited in this nomination mentions that Chiang Kai-shek personally called Yang before ordering his execution, which is a much clearer and more interesting detail for a hook in my opinion. But this is just a suggestion for possible amendments to the hook, and it is not compulsory. If the nominator prefers to keep the current hook, that is perfectly fine with me as well. —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul）14:39, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240914143900","author":"Prince of Erebor","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Prince_of_Erebor-20240914143900-Yang_Pao-an","replies":["c-Crisco_1492-20240914150400-Prince_of_Erebor-20240914143900","c-Crisco_1492-20240914151600-Prince_of_Erebor-20240914143900"]}}-->
Hi Prince of Erebor. That tidbit is mentioned in several of the sources. However, given that they are all state media, and their likelihood of being non-neutral in detailing Chiang Kai-shek, I'm a bit iffy reporting it as objective fact (I think at least one mentions that he basically threw the phone in response). I can add a few lines making it clear that this comes from a state source, then we can do an ALT. Let me revisit the sources. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 15:04, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240914150400","author":"Crisco 1492","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Crisco_1492-20240914150400-Prince_of_Erebor-20240914143900","replies":[],"displayName":"Chris Woodrich"}}-->
ALT2 ... that Chiang Kai-shek was reported to have ordered the execution of Yang Pao'an(pictured) after the latter threw a phone against a wall?
Here are two ALTs, both cited to: Meng, Hong (24 May 2021). "杨匏安：对党"公忠不可忘"的先驱" [Yang Pao'an: A Pioneer Who Was "Unforgettable in His Loyalty to the Party"]. People's Daily (in Chinese). Central Committee of the Chinese Communist Party. Archived from the original on 3 September 2024. Retrieved 3 September 2024. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 15:16, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240914151600","author":"Crisco 1492","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Crisco_1492-20240914151600-Prince_of_Erebor-20240914143900","replies":["c-Prince_of_Erebor-20240914174900-Crisco_1492-20240914151600"],"displayName":"Chris Woodrich"}}-->
@Crisco 1492: Thanks for your swift reply and update! It is true that state media should not be taken at face value, but it appears that all the other sources cited in the Later years and death section, such as China Daily and The Paper, are also state-owned, leaving us with limited options. Perhaps we could consider ALT3, as it seems to address concerns about neutrality and skepticism regarding the details of the supposed private conversation between Chiang and Yang?
I think it is ready to go now! —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul）17:49, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240914174900","author":"Prince of Erebor","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Prince_of_Erebor-20240914174900-Crisco_1492-20240914151600","replies":["c-Crisco_1492-20240914175300-Prince_of_Erebor-20240914174900"]}}-->
Thanks! Sounds good to me. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 17:53, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240914175300","author":"Crisco 1492","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Crisco_1492-20240914175300-Prince_of_Erebor-20240914174900","replies":[],"displayName":"Chris Woodrich"}}-->
... that several characters from a webcomic Weatherday wrote appear in their album Come In?
Source: [12] "The album as a whole is set up like my webcomic which I sort of based things from the album on along with my own life. The character Agatha is from that comic and same with Oswald and Ines."
ALT1: ... that after the original run sold out, vinyl copies of Come In were put up for sale on Discogs for as much as $100? Source: [13] "Last year, U.S. indie label Topshelf, a crucial fourth-wave emo outlet, dropped a double-LP reissue of Come In, and the whole run of 2,000 sold out—if you want a pristine copy, be prepared to pony up $100 on Discogs."
ALT2: ... that Come In was recorded on a hands-free microphone attached to a pair of headphones? Source: [14] "I used the headphone mic because I didn’t have a better one and thought I could do without one."Album liner notes (viewable on Bandcamp) "Honorable mention to the hands-free mic attached to my headphones which I recorded this album on"
ALT3: ... that Come In was inspired by a webcomic that Weatherday wrote? Source: [15] "Mio is a character from a webcomic I made back in 2016-2017 [...] I used Mio on the album cover cause I drew inspiration from the webcomic when I was making the album"[16] "The album as a whole is set up like my webcomic which I sort of based things from the album on along with my own life."
Reviewed:
Comment: I created the page in the draftspace and OhHaiMark moved it into the mainspace. This is my first DYK nomination and first time building up an article, please let me know if I did anything wrong!
Moved to mainspace by OhHaiMark (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
LeMeilleurMiel (talk) 21:58, 11 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240911215800","author":"LeMeilleurMiel","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-LeMeilleurMiel-20240911215800-Come_In_(Weatherday_album)","replies":["c-Launchballer-20241001202200-LeMeilleurMiel-20240911215800"]}}-->
@LeMeilleurMiel and Tavantius: Not a review, but Rateyourmusic.com is deprecated on WP:UPSD. What makes it reliable?--Launchballer20:22, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241001202200","author":"Launchballer","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Launchballer-20241001202200-LeMeilleurMiel-20240911215800","replies":["c-Launchballer-20241001233800-Launchballer-20241001202200"],"displayName":"Laun"}}-->
@Launchballer: While the user-generated RYM database is deprecated, the article is citing an interview by a staff member with the creator of the article's subject. Since the interview is only being used to give information about the artist's intentions behind certain parts of the album, I believe WP:ABOUTSELF would apply here. Best, LeMeilleurMiel (talk)
I guess. Full review needed.--Launchballer23:38, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241001233800","author":"Launchballer","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Launchballer-20241001233800-Launchballer-20241001202200","replies":[],"displayName":"Laun"}}-->
... that Michael Sugrue became an "internet phenomenon" during the COVID-19 pandemic for his lectures on YouTube covering "the last 3,000 years of Western intellectual history” recorded in 1992?
Source: "Michael Sugrue, 66, Dies; His Talks on Philosophy Were a YouTube Hit
After an academic career spent in near obscurity, he became an internet phenomenon during the pandemic by uploading talks he had given three decades earlier.
The college lecturer, in a uniform of rumpled khakis and corduroy blazer, paces on a small stage, head down. “The lectures you’re about to see,” he says in introducing a series of talks, videotaped in somewhat hokey lo-fi style in 1992, “cover the last 3,000 years of Western intellectual history.""
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New enough in mainspace and long enough. QPQ present. Hook fact checks out. No other issues; made some very minor syntax tweaks. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 02:27, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241018022700","author":"Sammi Brie","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Sammi_Brie-20241018022700-Thriley-20240910174900","replies":[]}}-->
ALT1: ... that politician Teleke Lauti unseated a former Prime Minister, was unseated himself by a future Prime Minister, and later ran again to replace a former Prime Minister? Source: same for 'unseated a former Prime Minister'; lost to Latasi and Kausea Natano (future PM) in 2002 (could add another source verifying Natano as being a future PM if needed); Fenui News for running to replace a former PM (Latasi in 2018)
Comment: Open to other ways of wording. Would like it if it could be featured by the end of the month, prior to the end of the Wikipedia:2024 Developing Countries WikiContest (since I'm competing with the Tuvalu flag).
Created by BeanieFan11 (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 246 past nominations.
BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:02, 10 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240910000200","author":"BeanieFan11","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-BeanieFan11-20240910000200-Teleke_Lauti","replies":["c-Chipmunkdavis-20240927071500-BeanieFan11-20240910000200","c-Crisco_1492-20241016105600-BeanieFan11-20240910000200"]}}-->
New enough, long enough, QPQ done. We're treading around describing the political system slightly, but it can be pieced together. A source is needed in the article for the future PM part. Work on climate change should be mentioned in the lead. He may have been assistant Minsiter(?) but that may all need a deeper investigation. CMD (talk) 07:15, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240927071500","author":"Chipmunkdavis","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Chipmunkdavis-20240927071500-BeanieFan11-20240910000200","replies":["c-BeanieFan11-20240927155100-Chipmunkdavis-20240927071500"],"displayName":"CMD"}}-->
@Chipmunkdavis: I added a source for the future PM and expanded the lead a little to mention climate change. As for assistant minister, that source does seem to say that but then there are also severalsources referring to him as "Teleke Lauti, Minister for the Environment" (including another UN publication) – he's so obscure, its hard to tell. I'm leaning towards keeping 'Minister for the Environment' though as there seems to be more sources saying that than 'Assistant Minister for the Environment'. Is that everything? BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:51, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240927155100","author":"BeanieFan11","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-BeanieFan11-20240927155100-Chipmunkdavis-20240927071500","replies":["c-Chipmunkdavis-20240927160000-BeanieFan11-20240927155100"]}}-->
That feels like everything. Hard to call a Minister of the Environment obscure though! CMD (talk) 16:00, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240927160000","author":"Chipmunkdavis","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Chipmunkdavis-20240927160000-BeanieFan11-20240927155100","replies":[],"displayName":"CMD"}}-->
Hi BeanieFan11. What makes Fenui News a reliable source? — Chris Woodrich (talk) 10:56, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241016105600","author":"Crisco 1492","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Crisco_1492-20241016105600-BeanieFan11-20240910000200","replies":["c-BeanieFan11-20241016142800-Crisco_1492-20241016105600"],"displayName":"Chris Woodrich"}}-->
@Crisco 1492: It's a government publication and the only online news source from Tuvalu. BeanieFan11 (talk) 14:28, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241016142800","author":"BeanieFan11","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-BeanieFan11-20241016142800-Crisco_1492-20241016105600","replies":["c-Crisco_1492-20241016143300-BeanieFan11-20241016142800"]}}-->
Thank you, BeanieFan11. I have confirmed this via archives of their e-source, and note that the source has been cited by other media in the region for Tuvalu-related topics. Reinstating tick. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 14:33, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241016143300","author":"Crisco 1492","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Crisco_1492-20241016143300-BeanieFan11-20241016142800","replies":[],"displayName":"Chris Woodrich"}}-->
Created by Andrevan (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 5 past nominations.
Andre🚐01:03, 9 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240909010300","author":"Andrevan","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Andrevan-20240909010300-David_de_Pomis","replies":["c-Damien_Linnane-20241007235200-Andrevan-20240909010300"],"displayName":"Andre"}}-->
New enough and long enough. Hook and source checks. QPQ checks. I have some concerns about prose for general audience readers:
"his father lost his fortune in the wars." - what wars?
"Legend has it his family" - this is a bit vague and I'm not sure about the tone either. The wording in one of the sources (According to an ancient tradition of the Jews of Italy...) is much, much better. Can you reword to something similar (or maybe even place that in quotes if you have to)?
"Pope Paul IV's bull prevented" - what is a "bull" in this context? Can you clarify, or give an appropriate Wikilink?
@Andrevan: Happy to pass once these minor issues are addressed. Damien Linnane (talk) 23:52, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241007235200","author":"Damien Linnane","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Damien_Linnane-20241007235200-Andrevan-20240909010300","replies":["c-Andrevan-20241008003300-Damien_Linnane-20241007235200","c-Andrevan-20241008020100-Damien_Linnane-20241007235200"]}}-->
Thanks for the review. Looks like you figured out about the papal bull. I've performed the requested clarification and copyedits. One thing is that one of the sources refers to the recurring wars in Italy, presumably the Italian Wars in the Papal States, while the other sources relay the story about fleeing the Sack of Rome (1527), which was during one specific war. Since I'm not entirely sure if there are any other recurring wars that affected Pomis' father other than the incident we know about, after all, someone could lose a fortune over several events, I've changed it to just talk about the Sack of Rome unless I can find another source that talks about any wars, plural other than that which affected him. Hope that works! Let me know if you have anything else. Andre🚐00:33, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241008003300","author":"Andrevan","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Andrevan-20241008003300-Damien_Linnane-20241007235200","replies":[],"displayName":"Andre"}}-->
On second thought, since I already discuss the Sack in the next sentence down, I'm going to just leave that 2nd part and make it just in the Italian Wars. Since it says his father lost his fortune in his youth, it must be talking about 2 different series of events. Andre🚐02:01, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241008020100","author":"Andrevan","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Andrevan-20241008020100-Damien_Linnane-20241007235200","replies":["c-Damien_Linnane-20241008024500-Andrevan-20241008020100"],"displayName":"Andre"}}-->
Thanks for your prompt responses. The changes look good. This is ready to go. :) Damien Linnane (talk) 02:45, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241008024500","author":"Damien Linnane","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Damien_Linnane-20241008024500-Andrevan-20241008020100","replies":[]}}-->
Comment: I will likely continue to develop parts of this article. Edit: there are other images as well that are square like this one File:US-$1-SC-1928-E-Fr.1605.jpg
Moved to mainspace by Bruxton (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 154 past nominations.
Bruxton (talk) 21:59, 10 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240910215900","author":"Bruxton","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Bruxton-20240910215900-Funnyback","replies":[]}}-->
Overall: Article is new enough, long enough, well sourced and neutral. Earwig picks up some links, but these are quotations, so it's copy vio free. Hooks are cited and interesting. I prefer ALT0 and ALT3. Pic is free, used and clear. QPQ is done. All good. Lajmmoore (talk) 08:36, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241002083600","author":"Lajmmoore","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Lajmmoore-20241002083600-Funnyback","replies":[]}}-->
Source: "Former Deputy Minister of Information and Communication Technology Engel Nawatiseb has parted ways with the Landless People’s Movement (LPM) after joining the party a mere month ago." -[17]
ALT1: ... that Engel Nawatiseb left the Landless People's Movement due to disagreements about who should drive during the party's fifth anniversary celebration? Source: "The source further claimed that these party members felt threatened by Nawatiseb’s position in the party. “People felt why is it only Nawatiseb driving the car and not them?” the source said. Following the complaints, the party allegedly took the car from Nawatiseb.", and "Another party source said Nawatiseb was insulted by a powerful young leader in the party about the usage of the car. “Apparently he wasn’t sharing the car with others. But once a car is assigned to you, it’s difficult to share, because once it is broken it becomes your responsibility,” another party source said. The source said the car was taken away a day after the party’s fifth anniversary. “On Sunday morning when they took the car, they embarrassed and insulted the man,” the source said." [18]
Reviewed:
Created by Samoht27 (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
-Samoht27 (talk)23:04, 11 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240911230400","author":"Samoht27","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Samoht27-20240911230400-Engelbrecht_!Nawatiseb","replies":["c-Yue-20240912170500-Samoht27-20240911230400"]}}-->
I may review this nomination later today, but a quick comment is that while the source goes into detail about why !Nawatiseb was chosen to drive the car, why other party leaders were supposedly upset, and ostensible explanations as to why the car was reassigned, the article itself only talks about !Nawatiseb's embarrassment over the car being taken. I really like the second hook, but the disagreements should be detailed (or at least mentioned explicitly) in the article for the nomination to pass. Yue🌙17:05, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240912170500","author":"Yue","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Yue-20240912170500-Samoht27-20240911230400","replies":["c-Yue-20240912170900-Yue-20240912170500"]}}-->
Also, I think it should be "a celebration of the party's fifth anniversary", because to my understanding he was to drive for the celebration in a specific part of Namibia, as he was the only person qualified in that area. Yue🌙17:09, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240912170900","author":"Yue","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Yue-20240912170900-Yue-20240912170500","replies":[]}}-->
Overall: References were spot-checked for verification; no issues arose. Both hooks are verified, but I prefer ALT1. However, I propose to the promoter this rewording of ALT1, which incorporates ALT0:
ALT2: ... that Engel Nawatiseb reportedly left the Landless People's Movement just a month after joining because of disagreements over who should drive during the party's fifth anniversary celebration?
The sources are the two already given. Yue🌙20:13, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240912201300","author":"Yue","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Yue-20240912201300-Engelbrecht_!Nawatiseb","replies":[]}}-->
Sorry to butt in, but the article isn't good enough for DYK. At first, I intended to remove the stub tag (we don't run stubs at DYK) but it's arguably still a stub. There is nothing outside of his political career; no early life, education, or what he did before politics. The article therefore fails WP:DYKCOMPLETE. Secondly, the date and place of birth are both unreferenced and that's a violation of WP:BLP. Thirdly, about half the article deals with controversies and that feels unbalanced; hence it fails WP:NPOV. There's a lot more work required to get this ready. I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news. Schwede6608:17, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240923081700","author":"Schwede66","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Schwede66-20240923081700-Engelbrecht_!Nawatiseb","replies":["c-AirshipJungleman29-20241015141900-Schwede66-20240923081700"],"displayName":"Schwede"}}-->
Samoht27 did you see the above? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 14:19, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241015141900","author":"AirshipJungleman29","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-AirshipJungleman29-20241015141900-Schwede66-20240923081700","replies":["c-Samoht27-20241015155800-AirshipJungleman29-20241015141900"],"displayName":"~~ AirshipJungleman29"}}-->
AirshipJungleman29 Yes, I did, I addressed the issues within the article and informed Schwede66 about the changes.-Samoht27 (talk)15:58, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241015155800","author":"Samoht27","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Samoht27-20241015155800-AirshipJungleman29-20241015141900","replies":["c-Schwede66-20241015164800-Samoht27-20241015155800"]}}-->
Yes, they did, AirshipJungleman29. It’s the last item in my talk page archive 46. I did not understand why the note was not placed here and me being informed via a ping as it hardly makes sense to to start a conversation in a separate place. Either way, I replied that I would leave it to the reviewer to assess. But now I see that the reviewer doesn’t know anything about this as there isn’t anything here about the matter. Which just demonstrates why discussions ought to be kept in one place! Schwede6616:48, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241015164800","author":"Schwede66","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Schwede66-20241015164800-Samoht27-20241015155800","replies":[],"displayName":"Schwede"}}-->
Converted from a redirect by CatchMe (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 75 past nominations.
NØ05:05, 20 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240920050500","author":"MaranoFan","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-MaranoFan-20240920050500-Nobody_Knows_(Shawn_Mendes_song)","replies":[],"displayName":"N"}}-->
Overall: I'd recommend paraphrasing or removing the "Music really can be medicine" quote; it appears quite high on Earwig's copyvio detector. Skyshiftertalk17:37, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241019173700","author":"Skyshifter","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Skyshifter-20241019173700-Nobody_Knows_(Shawn_Mendes_song)","replies":["c-MaranoFan-20241019174400-Skyshifter-20241019173700"]}}-->
Removed the "Music really can be medicine" bit. The Earwig score has gone from 33.3% to 32.9%, which seems fine and is marked "Violation unlikely".--NØ17:44, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241019174400","author":"MaranoFan","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-MaranoFan-20241019174400-Skyshifter-20241019173700","replies":["c-Skyshifter-20241019175500-MaranoFan-20241019174400"],"displayName":"N"}}-->
@MaranoFan: what I meant was that the entire quote should be removed or paraphrased. I'd still recommend doing it, as the quote is not specifically related to the song and the percentage is still relatively high. Skyshiftertalk17:55, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241019175500","author":"Skyshifter","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Skyshifter-20241019175500-MaranoFan-20241019174400","replies":["c-MaranoFan-20241019182700-Skyshifter-20241019175500"]}}-->
Removed the whole quote now. Agreed that not much meaningful is lost.--NØ18:27, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241019182700","author":"MaranoFan","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-MaranoFan-20241019182700-Skyshifter-20241019175500","replies":["c-Skyshifter-20241019211400-MaranoFan-20241019182700"],"displayName":"N"}}-->
good to go! Skyshiftertalk21:14, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241019211400","author":"Skyshifter","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Skyshifter-20241019211400-MaranoFan-20241019182700","replies":[]}}-->
Comment: A biography of the first woman in Germany who became famous for her political caricatures.
Created by Munfarid1 (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 24 past nominations.
Munfarid1 (talk) 11:08, 17 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240917110800","author":"Munfarid1","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Munfarid1-20240917110800-Marie_Marcks","replies":["c-Llewee-20241007115000-Munfarid1-20240917110800"]}}-->
Article was nominated on time and is long enough. The article isn't perfect but is in decent condition. Earwig found a lot of close phrasing which I think could be reduced quite easily. Hooks are cited and interesting, ALT 1 needs to make clear that it is an opinion. Llewee (talk) 11:50, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241007115000","author":"Llewee","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Llewee-20241007115000-Munfarid1-20240917110800","replies":["c-Munfarid1-20241007143000-Llewee-20241007115000"]}}-->
Ok, I have added the person whose opinion is quoted in ALT 1, if this is what you mean. Also, I have rewritten the close paraphrases as far as possible. Several proper names highlighted by Earwig, however, such as Deutsches Museum für Karikatur und Zeichenkunst, Mark Twain Center for Transatlantic Relations or New Frankfurt School can not be counted as copyright infringement, as far as I know. The overall score in Earwig now is 11,5% with most of the identical words being such proper names. Thanks for your review, and I hope this makes it gtg. Munfarid1 (talk) 14:30, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241007143000","author":"Munfarid1","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Munfarid1-20241007143000-Llewee-20241007115000","replies":["c-Llewee-20241007143600-Munfarid1-20241007143000","c-Munfarid1-20241007150600-Munfarid1-20241007143000"]}}-->
Hello Munfarid1, thank you for dealing with the copyright issues. I meant the second hook. Apologies, if I wasn't clear. Llewee (talk) 14:36, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241007143600","author":"Llewee","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Llewee-20241007143600-Munfarid1-20241007143000","replies":[]}}-->
*Hello Llewee, sorry, the necessary change of ALT 1 was my fault. Just corrected it and restored ALT. Munfarid1 (talk) 15:06, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241007150600","author":"Munfarid1","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Munfarid1-20241007150600-Munfarid1-20241007143000","replies":["c-Llewee-20241007152900-Munfarid1-20241007150600"]}}-->
Ok, I think the nomination is now ready to pass. Llewee (talk) 15:29, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241007152900","author":"Llewee","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Llewee-20241007152900-Munfarid1-20241007150600","replies":[]}}-->
Source: Overlaid with gleaming 21st-century filigree, this esthetic delight hints at pattern and order, embedded in randomness. “They are Henry Markram’s neurons – or rather, from his rat brains,” explains Segev, “and we at ELSC had the idea of this neuron trellis wrapping round the building.” https://www.jpost.com/Jerusalem-Report/In-sickness-and-in-health-540756
Reviewed:
Comment: I am trying to find a better image to illustrate the neuron screen
Created by Simxaraba (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
Simxaraba (talk) 07:24, 20 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240920072400","author":"Simxaraba","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Simxaraba-20240920072400-Edmond_and_Lily_Safra_Center_for_Brain_Sciences","replies":["c-Simxaraba-20240924090900-Simxaraba-20240920072400","c-Mariamnei-20241004103400-Simxaraba-20240920072400"]}}-->
I have now added what I think is a better image of the neuron screen. I can come up with another hook if this one is not good enough.Simxaraba (talk) 09:09, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240924090900","author":"Simxaraba","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Simxaraba-20240924090900-Simxaraba-20240920072400","replies":[]}}-->
The article is new enough, long enough, has size and references are fine, and the hook works well. QPQ isn't required. I think the other picture in the article might show the facade with the neural network detail more clearly, so it could be a better fit. Anyway, we're all set! Mariamnei (talk) 10:34, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241004103400","author":"Mariamnei","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Mariamnei-20241004103400-Simxaraba-20240920072400","replies":[]}}-->
Kindly add a media marker—i.e., (pictured)— in the approved hook so that it may be promoted along with your preferred image. Speaking of which, do you agree with the reviewer's suggestion? If so, consider including it in this page. Thanks, Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 16:00, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241009160000","author":"Nineteen Ninety-Four guy","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Nineteen_Ninety-Four_guy-20241009160000-Edmond_and_Lily_Safra_Center_for_Brain_Sciences","replies":["c-Nineteen_Ninety-Four_guy-20241018070400-Nineteen_Ninety-Four_guy-20241009160000"]}}-->
Since the nominator has been inactive for two weeks now, I'm just gonna go ahead and boldly do these myself. Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 07:04, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241018070400","author":"Nineteen Ninety-Four guy","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Nineteen_Ninety-Four_guy-20241018070400-Nineteen_Ninety-Four_guy-20241009160000","replies":[]}}-->
Created by Lajmmoore (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 101 past nominations.
Lajmmoore (talk) 19:14, 18 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240918191400","author":"Lajmmoore","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Lajmmoore-20240918191400-Ana_Eva_Hei","replies":["c-MaranoFan-20240919111700-Lajmmoore-20240918191400"]}}-->
The article is meeting the size requirement, was nominated in time, and the QPQ checks out. I don't think the image requires cropping. However, isn't the hook missing the word "surviving" for it to match what the source says, Lajmmoore? Something like "... that one of the last surviving women from Rapa Nui to receive traditional facial tattoos was queen consort Ana Eva Hei"? The article has the same issue.--NØ11:17, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240919111700","author":"MaranoFan","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-MaranoFan-20240919111700-Lajmmoore-20240918191400","replies":["c-Lajmmoore-20240919220200-MaranoFan-20240919111700"],"displayName":"N"}}-->
Thanks so much MaranoFan - that's a good spot and I've fixed the missing word in both the hook and the article. Lajmmoore (talk) 22:02, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240919220200","author":"Lajmmoore","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Lajmmoore-20240919220200-MaranoFan-20240919111700","replies":["c-MaranoFan-20240920040500-Lajmmoore-20240919220200"]}}-->
I think this is good to go in that case.--NØ04:05, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240920040500","author":"MaranoFan","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-MaranoFan-20240920040500-Lajmmoore-20240919220200","replies":[],"displayName":"N"}}-->
Source: "In March 1943, the Political Warfare Executive at Woburn Abbey began broadcasting from two radio stations, Deutscher Kurzwellensender Atlantik and Soldatenseder Calais. These purported to be authentic German transmitters, but in fact had been developed to undermine German morale, and in particular to target U-boat crews ... The objective was to subvert the discipline of enemy submariners by providing continuous first-class music, news, and feature programs every night between 1830 and 0800. Interspersed with German dance bands and singers recorded in the United States, Atlantik spread rumors, issued depressing news bulletins, and generally sought to destroy the seamen's faith in their leadership by contradicting what they had heard from Germany on official channels." from: West, Nigel (2010). Historical Dictionary of Naval Intelligence. Rowman & Littlefield. pp. 90–91. ISBN978-0-8108-6760-4.
Moved to mainspace by Dumelow (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 880 past nominations.
Dumelow (talk) 13:26, 19 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240919132600","author":"Dumelow","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dumelow-20240919132600-Deutscher_Kurzwellensender_Atlantik","replies":["c-Bruxton-20240927201500-Dumelow-20240919132600","c-Crisco_1492-20241016110600-Dumelow-20240919132600"]}}-->
@Dumelow: Another interesting article and perfect for DYK. I prefer ALT0 as interesting and confirmed with citation in the article based on the pull out detailed under the hook. I suggest adding the dates that this station operated in the lead. It was nominated seven days after creation so it is new enough and at 6371 characters it is long enough. The QPQ is done and Earwig does not find evidence of plagiarism. We could use some attention on a few minor things prior to approval.
I suggest adding the dates that this station was operating somewhere in the lead and body.
MOS:AMPM I think it should be: 6 am 8 am, and should the word broadcast be broadcasted? Here is the sentence: "It broadcast between 6pm and 8am daily on a number of shortwave channels".
Maybe other words for the phrase "to this end" as it feels conversational and is an informal idiom. Here is the sentence: "To this end some of the staff were German defectors, including Otto John, Richard Wurmann". Maybe "In order to achieve this goal" or something similar.
Sentence in the article: "To make the station attractive to listeners it broadcast the latest in popular dance music" Same question about the word broadcast
Sentence "it might involve an attempt for vessels to break out to the far east" should Far East be capitalized? and linked to Far East. I cannot access the source so not sure if it is the same thing.
Bruxton (talk) 20:15, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240927201500","author":"Bruxton","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Bruxton-20240927201500-Dumelow-20240919132600","replies":["c-Dumelow-20240927210900-Bruxton-20240927201500"]}}-->
Hi Bruxton, thanks for the review. I have made the edits you've suggested. I held off on the "broadcast" ones as Arjayaypicked up on one already ("broadcasted" -> "broadcast"). I don't do much in the radio sphere so will defer to them (and perhaps Sammi Brie as the resident DYK radio expert might assist?). Thanks - Dumelow (talk) 21:09, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240927210900","author":"Dumelow","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Dumelow-20240927210900-Bruxton-20240927201500","replies":["c-Sammi_Brie-20240927212700-Dumelow-20240927210900"]}}-->
"Broadcast" as a past-tense verb is perfectly fine and preferred to "broadcasted". Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 21:27, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240927212700","author":"Sammi Brie","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Sammi_Brie-20240927212700-Dumelow-20240927210900","replies":["c-Bruxton-20240927214300-Sammi_Brie-20240927212700"]}}-->
@Dumelow: Thank you for the quick action. And @Sammi Brie: thank you for looking, I was unsure. Bruxton (talk) 21:43, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240927214300","author":"Bruxton","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Bruxton-20240927214300-Sammi_Brie-20240927212700","replies":[]}}-->
Question: Would it be hookier to omit the American music from ALT0? Including it makes the propaganda purpose implicit; omitting it allows for the impression that it was just plain music. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 11:06, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241016110600","author":"Crisco 1492","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Crisco_1492-20241016110600-Dumelow-20240919132600","replies":["c-Dumelow-20241016112900-Crisco_1492-20241016110600"],"displayName":"Chris Woodrich"}}-->
Hi Chris Woodrich, fine by me - Dumelow (talk) 11:29, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241016112900","author":"Dumelow","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Dumelow-20241016112900-Crisco_1492-20241016110600","replies":["c-Crisco_1492-20241016113100-Dumelow-20241016112900"]}}-->
Alright, adding ALT0a: ... that during the Second World War the British government transmitted German music to Nazi U-boats?Bruxton, as I can't approve my own hook, would you be willing to check this one? — Chris Woodrich (talk) 11:31, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241016113100","author":"Crisco 1492","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Crisco_1492-20241016113100-Dumelow-20241016112900","replies":[],"displayName":"Chris Woodrich"}}-->
Created by Epicgenius (talk).
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Article is new and long enough, neutral, sourced, copyvio-free, and presentable. The hooks are cited to a reliable source and are interesting, I'd prefer ALT0. Images are properly licensed. QPQ done. Looks ready to me. Vacant0(talk • contribs)12:26, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240920122600","author":"Vacant0","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Vacant0-20240920122600-Epicgenius-20240919211000","replies":[]}}-->
5x expanded by BeanieFan11 (talk).
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Doing...ミラP@Miraclepine01:44, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241002014400","author":"Miraclepine","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Miraclepine-20241002014400-BeanieFan11-20240927234600","replies":[],"displayName":"\u30df\u30e9P"}}-->
Overall: Expanded from 209 to 1963 seven days before nom. I checked the refs and refs 1 and 4 are redundant, but consider this optional. @BeanieFan11: there's only one issue needed to fix; also his brother Alex Portal has a sufficiently detailed frwiki page to translate from, so I can hold this nom if you want to add him to this nom as a bold link. ミラP@Miraclepine02:30, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241002023000","author":"Miraclepine","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Miraclepine-20241002023000-Kylian_Portal","replies":["c-BeanieFan11-20241003155900-Miraclepine-20241002023000"],"displayName":"\u30df\u30e9P"}}-->
Fixed the ref. I'll see if I can expand Alex within the next two days. BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:59, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241003155900","author":"BeanieFan11","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-BeanieFan11-20241003155900-Miraclepine-20241002023000","replies":["c-Miraclepine-20241004173900-BeanieFan11-20241003155900"]}}-->
@BeanieFan11: I see that issue's been fixed, but I'll hold on your request. Ping me if you get Alex Portal expanded. ミラP@Miraclepine17:39, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241004173900","author":"Miraclepine","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Miraclepine-20241004173900-BeanieFan11-20241003155900","replies":["c-BeanieFan11-20241008024700-Miraclepine-20241004173900"],"displayName":"\u30df\u30e9P"}}-->
Haven't gotten around to it yet... I'll try to do it tomorrow (Tuesday), if not done by then you can just approve Kylian. BeanieFan11 (talk) 02:47, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241008024700","author":"BeanieFan11","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-BeanieFan11-20241008024700-Miraclepine-20241004173900","replies":["c-BeanieFan11-20241008221400-BeanieFan11-20241008024700"]}}-->
Expanded Alex Portal, so the hook will be: ALT1 ... that swimmer Kylian Portal(pictured) and his brother Alex Portal both medaled in the same event at the 2024 Paralympics? BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:14, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241008221400","author":"BeanieFan11","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-BeanieFan11-20241008221400-BeanieFan11-20241008024700","replies":["c-BeanieFan11-20241008222500-BeanieFan11-20241008221400"]}}-->
Doing...ミラP@Miraclepine00:31, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241009003100","author":"Miraclepine","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Miraclepine-20241009003100-BeanieFan11-20241008222500","replies":[],"displayName":"\u30df\u30e9P"}}-->
Overall: Page expanded from 192 to 2015 on day of nom. No copyvio issues found at Earwig, with any close calls being WP:LIMITED. Hook cited in the last two sentences of the article. Since Alex has a more established career (namely with more medals), you may wanna use his picture instead of Kylian's and mention him before Kylian. BeanieFan11, fix the issue and I will approve. ミラP@Miraclepine01:20, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241009012000","author":"Miraclepine","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Miraclepine-20241009012000-Kylian_Portal","replies":[],"displayName":"\u30df\u30e9P"}}-->
Alex Portal in 2023
@Miraclepine: So, ALT2 ... that swimmer Alex Portal(pictured) and his brother Kylian Portal both medaled in the same event at the 2024 Paralympics? BeanieFan11 (talk) 02:08, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241009020800","author":"BeanieFan11","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-BeanieFan11-20241009020800-Kylian_Portal","replies":["c-Miraclepine-20241009021000-BeanieFan11-20241009020800"]}}-->
@BeanieFan11: I prefer ALT2. Just fix the sourcing issue and I will approve. ミラP@Miraclepine02:10, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241009021000","author":"Miraclepine","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Miraclepine-20241009021000-BeanieFan11-20241009020800","replies":["c-BeanieFan11-20241009021200-Miraclepine-20241009021000"],"displayName":"\u30df\u30e9P"}}-->
@Miraclepine: Ref two does seem to support him having the condition, though? "Kylian Portal est malvoyant en raison d’une maladie génétique appelée albinisme oculaire [Kylian Portal is visually impaired due to a genetic disease called ocular albinism]." BeanieFan11 (talk) 02:12, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241009021200","author":"BeanieFan11","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-BeanieFan11-20241009021200-Miraclepine-20241009021000","replies":["c-Miraclepine-20241009021600-BeanieFan11-20241009021200"]}}-->
@BeanieFan11: Oops, I meant the Alex article. The Kylian page is fine. ミラP@Miraclepine02:16, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241009021600","author":"Miraclepine","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Miraclepine-20241009021600-BeanieFan11-20241009021200","replies":["c-BeanieFan11-20241009023900-Miraclepine-20241009021600"],"displayName":"\u30df\u30e9P"}}-->
@Miraclepine: Added the ref to the Alex article. BeanieFan11 (talk) 02:39, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241009023900","author":"BeanieFan11","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-BeanieFan11-20241009023900-Miraclepine-20241009021600","replies":["c-Miraclepine-20241009024100-BeanieFan11-20241009023900"]}}-->
@BeanieFan11: Well in this case, I can finally approve ALT2 and finish this at last. ミラP@Miraclepine02:41, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241009024100","author":"Miraclepine","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Miraclepine-20241009024100-BeanieFan11-20241009023900","replies":[],"displayName":"\u30df\u30e9P"}}-->
Created by Sebbog13 (talk).
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Will review this. BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:08, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240924190800","author":"BeanieFan11","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-BeanieFan11-20240924190800-Sebbog13-20240920214400","replies":[]}}-->
Overall: New and just long enough. No QPQ required. Looks good to go. BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:42, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240926204200","author":"BeanieFan11","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-BeanieFan11-20240926204200-Samuel_Conrad_Schwach","replies":[]}}-->
Source: https://www.lto.de/recht/nachrichten/n/bverfg-1bvr308009-bundesweite-stadionverbote-mittelbare-drittwirkung-grundrechte-hausrecht-dfb Das Bundesverfassungsgericht (BVerfG) hat die Verfassungsbeschwerde eines mit einem bundesweiten Stadionverbot belegten Fußballfans als unbegründet zurückgewiesen (Beschl. v. 11.04.2018, Az. 1 BvR 3080/09). Die Verbote dürften aber mit Blick auf das Gleichheitsgebot nicht willkürlich festgesetzt werden und müssten auf einem sachlichen Grund beruhen, entschied der Erste Senat in einem am Freitag veröffentlichten Beschluss. Für ein Stadionverbot reiche allerdings schon die Sorge, dass von einer Person die Gefahr künftiger Störungen ausgehe. Nach einem Auswärtsspiel des FC Bayern München gegen den MSV Duisburg im Jahr 2006 kam es außerhalb des Stadions zu Auseinandersetzungen zwischen den Fangruppen. Die Polizei nahm daraufhin 50 Personen in Gewahrsam, unter ihnen der damals 16-jährige Beschwerdeführer. Gegen ihn wurde dann ein Verfahren wegen Landfriedensbruchs eingeleitet, das später wegen Geringfügigkeit eingestellt wurde. Nach der Einleitung des Ermittlungsverfahrens sprach der MSV Duisburg im Namen des Deutschen Fußballbundes (DFB) ein zweijähriges, bundesweites Stadionverbot gegen den 16-Jährigen aus. Gestützt wurde das Verbot auf die Stadion-Verbotsrichtlinien des DFB. Trotz der späteren Verfahrenseinstellung entschieden der MSV und der DFB ohne Anhörung des zur Münchener Ultra-Szene gehörenden Jugendlichen, das Verbot aufrecht zu erhalten.
ALT1: ... that a ruling on the permissibility of stadium bans by the German Federal Constitutional Court could obligate certain private actors to follow constitutional law? Source: Towfigh, Emanuel V.; Gleixner, Alexander (2022). Smartbook Grundrechte: ein hybrides Lehrbuch mit 67 Lernvideos [Smartbook Fundamental Rights: a hybrid textbook with 67 learning videos]. NomosStudium (in German) (1. Auflage ed.). Baden-Baden: Nomos. pp. 57–58. ISBN978-3-7489-1119-7. “Darüber hinaus beschäftigt sich das BVerfG erstmals mit der Wirkung des allgemeinen Gleichheitssatzes (Art. 3 Abs. 1 GG) im Privatrecht.39 Eine mittelbare Drittwirkung des allgemeinen Gleichheitssatzes ist vor allem mit Blick auf die im Privatrecht geltende Privatautonomie problematisch, die es gerade erlaubt, die Vertragspartner frei auszuwählen und grds. Kontraktionszwang unterbindet - was im Umkehrschluss als Freiheit zu diskriminieren interpretiert werden kann. Das BVerfG stellt daher ausdrücklich fest, dass der allgemeine Gleich-heitssatz kein objektives Verfassungsrecht enthält, wonach Rechtsverhältnisse zwischen Privaten prinzipiell gleichheitsgerecht auszugestalten seien. Auf den konkreten Fall gewendet: Die mit dem Stadionverbot einhergehende Ungleichbehandlung des Fans gegenüber denjenigen, die das Stadion besuchen dürfen, ist nicht schon per se verfassungswidrig. Die Gleichheitsbindung privater Akteure begründet das BVerfG erst in „spezifischen Konstellationen" (§ 3 Rn. 44 f.): Ein allgemeiner Grundsatz, wonach private Vertragsbeziehungen jeweils den Rechtfertigungsanforderungen des Gleichbehandlungsgebots unterlägen, folgt demgegenüber aus Art. 3 Abs. 1 GG auch im Wege der mittelbaren Drittwirkung nicht. [...] Gleichheitsrechtliche Anforderungen für das Verhältnis zwischen Privaten können sich aus Art. 3 Abs. 1 GG jedoch für spezifische Konstellationen erge-ben. Eine solche Konstellation liegt dem hier in Frage stehenden bundesweit gültigen Stadionverbot zugrunde. Maßgeblich für die mittelbare Drittwirkung des Gleichbehandlungsgebots ist dessen Charakter als einseitiger, auf das Hausrecht gestützter Ausschluss von Veranstaltungen, die aufgrund eigener Entscheidung der Veranstalter einem großen Publikum ohne Ansehen der Person geöffnet werden und der für die Betroffenen in erheblichem Umfang über die Teilnahme am gesellschaftlichen Leben entscheidet. Indem ein Privater eine solche Veranstaltung ins Werk setzt, erwächst ihm von Verfassungs wegen auch eine besondere rechtliche Verantwortung. Er darf seine hier aus dem Hausrecht - so wie in anderen Fällen möglicherweise aus einem Monopol oder aus struktureller Überlegenheit - resultierende Entscheidungsmacht nicht dazu nutzen, bestimmte Personen ohne sachlichen Grund von einem solchen Ereignis auszuschließen. Die Fachgerichte haben daher sicherzustellen, dass das Stadionverbot nicht willkürlich erlassen worden ist. Das BVerfG etabliert dabei Hürden aus der verwaltungsrechtlichen Dogmatik:41 Es bedarf eines sachlichen Grundes und einer Anhörung der jeweiligen Betroffenen. Das führt letztlich zu einer „situativ staatsgleichen Grundrechtsbindung privater Akteure".”
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Comment: I’m open to alternative hooks, as the case is somewhat complicated and other aspects may be more interesting to an international audience. Thank you!
Created by FortunateSons (talk).
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Comment: @FortunateSons: I think this needs a bit of copyediting:
The Stadionverbots-Entscheidung (Beschl. v. 11.04.2018, Az. 1 BvR 3080/09)[1] (literally: Stadium-Ban-Decision, also known as the Stadionverbots-Beschluss) is a decision by the Bundesverfassungsgericht, the German federal constitutional court, in which a football fan unsuccessfully attempted to have his ban from German stadiums to be found to be unlawful.
Do you mean "a football fan unsuccessfully attempted to have his ban from German stadiums" rescinded or repealed? "To be found to be unlawful" doesn't really work. Viriditas (talk) 22:08, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240930220800","author":"Viriditas","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Viriditas-20240930220800-FortunateSons-20240928120000","replies":["c-FortunateSons-20241001145100-Viriditas-20240930220800","c-Viriditas-20240930221600-Viriditas-20240930220800"]}}-->
perhaps „retroactively declared to be unlawful“? FortunateSons (talk) 14:51, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241001145100","author":"FortunateSons","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-FortunateSons-20241001145100-Viriditas-20240930220800","replies":[]}}-->
The court set a higher standard for banning a fan from all stadiums for alleged misconduct, declaring some applicability of mittelbare Drittwirkung in regards to procedural rights and equality to their treatment of fans.
You will need to very briefly explain mittelbare Drittwirkung. For example you could do it like this: "The court set a higher standard for banning a fan from all stadiums for alleged misconduct, declaring some applicability of mittelbare Drittwirkung, a legal concept unique to European jurisprudence, in regards to procedural rights and equality to their treatment of fans." Viriditas (talk) 22:16, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240930221600","author":"Viriditas","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Viriditas-20240930221600-Viriditas-20240930220800","replies":["c-FortunateSons-20241001155500-Viriditas-20240930221600"]}}-->
You're right. But not necessarily for the hook, just in the article, right? Do we need a definition in the lead as well? FortunateSons (talk) 15:55, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241001155500","author":"FortunateSons","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-FortunateSons-20241001155500-Viriditas-20240930221600","replies":["c-Viriditas-20241001204700-FortunateSons-20241001155500"]}}-->
I haven't addressed the hooks yet. I'm not convinced the current hooks are that interesting. Viriditas (talk) 20:47, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241001204700","author":"Viriditas","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Viriditas-20241001204700-FortunateSons-20241001155500","replies":["c-Viriditas-20241002214600-Viriditas-20241001204700"]}}-->
Note, the below sources translate mittelbare Drittwirkung as "the doctrine of the indirect horizontal effects of fundamental rights". Viriditas (talk) 21:46, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241002214600","author":"Viriditas","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Viriditas-20241002214600-Viriditas-20241001204700","replies":["c-FortunateSons-20241003094200-Viriditas-20241002214600"]}}-->
Nice catch. I added the translation, I think it’s probably best cited to the primary sources below, right? FortunateSons (talk) 09:42, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241003094200","author":"FortunateSons","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-FortunateSons-20241003094200-Viriditas-20241002214600","replies":[]}}-->
Comment: @FortunateSons: I think we really need to focus on clearly describing the topic in English. I'm seeing a few English sources that do just that.[20] So, some questions. Should the English article title be in German or in English, such as "Stadium ban decision"? No strong feelings, but we should see what policy says. Also, what year did the decision take place, 2009? If so, say that in the first sentence. Finally, try to simplify the outcome. I see two English language sources that do just this.[21][22] There are likely more. Viriditas (talk) 21:44, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241002214400","author":"Viriditas","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Viriditas-20241002214400-FortunateSons-20240928120000","replies":["c-FortunateSons-20241003094900-Viriditas-20241002214400"]}}-->
WP:TRANSLITERATE seems to be dictate that we use the English title, to the best of my understanding. If you agree, I’m happy to move it. Regarding dates: the incident was in 2006, the ban lasted from 2006 to 2008, the decision was in 2018. Which date are you referring to? Thank you for the English sources, I missed those. :)FortunateSons (talk) 09:49, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241003094900","author":"FortunateSons","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-FortunateSons-20241003094900-Viriditas-20241002214400","replies":["c-Viriditas-20241003193500-FortunateSons-20241003094900"]}}-->
@FortunateSons: The date of the final decision should appear in the lead, as should a brief description of the incident and ban dates. If you feel comfortable moving the page, then feel free to do so. Viriditas (talk) 19:35, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241003193500","author":"Viriditas","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Viriditas-20241003193500-FortunateSons-20241003094900","replies":["c-FortunateSons-20241003210800-Viriditas-20241003193500"]}}-->
Sure, I will move the page. The date for the decision is already in the lead (as it is part of how the cases are cited, with DD/MM/YYYY), and I will add the year for the incident and ban (2006), or do we need the specific dates? In scientific secondary sources, they generally don’t go in depth beyond the year, if I remember correctly. FortunateSons (talk) 21:08, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241003210800","author":"FortunateSons","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-FortunateSons-20241003210800-Viriditas-20241003193500","replies":["c-Viriditas-20241003222200-FortunateSons-20241003210800"]}}-->
Do it however you want, but I don't see any dates in the lead in plain text, just in the case format, which isn't explicit to the general reader. Sometimes a bit of redundancy helps. Also, more dates and explanation might be needed per the above. Viriditas (talk) 22:22, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241003222200","author":"Viriditas","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Viriditas-20241003222200-FortunateSons-20241003210800","replies":["c-FortunateSons-20241005123400-Viriditas-20241003222200"]}}-->
Added the years, and some additional context to the lead. Not sure on grammar/style, what do you think? FortunateSons (talk) 12:34, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241005123400","author":"FortunateSons","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-FortunateSons-20241005123400-Viriditas-20241003222200","replies":["c-Viriditas-20241005205200-FortunateSons-20241005123400"]}}-->
You nailed it! It's a huge improvement. Now, what are we going to do about the hooks? Viriditas (talk) 20:52, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241005205200","author":"Viriditas","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Viriditas-20241005205200-FortunateSons-20241005123400","replies":["c-FortunateSons-20241006002600-Viriditas-20241005205200"]}}-->
Thank you. I’m really not sure about the hooks. The link between football and social media or alternatively the duration of the ban compared to the duration of the legal process might be most interesting to someone with no connection to the subject, but I could be missing the forest for the trees here? FortunateSons (talk) 00:26, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241006002600","author":"FortunateSons","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-FortunateSons-20241006002600-Viriditas-20241005205200","replies":[]}}-->
@FortunateSons: Why do you have Bundesverfassungsgericht in italics, but not Bundesgerichtshof? Same thing with Drittwirkung, which appears as Drittwirkung later on in the articlce. Viriditas (talk) 22:52, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241006225200","author":"Viriditas","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Viriditas-20241006225200-Stadionverbot_Decision","replies":["c-Crisco_1492-20241018201200-Viriditas-20241006225200"]}}-->
Request for more eyes
I agree that some other hooks may be more interesting... something like ALT2 ... that a German court's decision involving football stadiums may preclude Facebook from arbitrarily deleting content?
This of course comes with the caveat that I do not have access to the offline source in which the Facebook implication is noted. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 20:12, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241018201200","author":"Crisco 1492","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Crisco_1492-20241018201200-Viriditas-20241006225200","replies":["c-Viriditas-20241019205200-Crisco_1492-20241018201200"],"displayName":"Chris Woodrich"}}-->
@Crisco 1492: While it's true that Münchener Anwalts Handbuch Verwaltungsrecht is offline in print form, and Münchener Anwalts Handbuch Verwaltungsrecht is behind a paywall (it says there's another way to access it, but I couldn't do it), it looks like one other source is online and available. Kühling (2024): "The decision of the Federal Constitutional Court could also be applied to participation in social networks such as Facebook, which have excluded a user. However, if the exclusion is due to an objective reason and was not arbitrary or irrelevant, nothing can be done to counteract the exclusion" ("Die Entscheidung des BVerfG könnte auch auf die Teilnahme an sozialen Netzwerken wie z.B. Facebook übertragen werden, die einen Nutzer ausgeschlossen haben. Wenn jedoch der Ausschluss auf einen sachlichen Grund zurückzuführen ist und nicht willkürlich oder sachfremd erfolgte, kann dem Ausschluss nichts entgegengesetzt werden") Is that enought to support your hook, or can you work with that and come up with a new one? Viriditas (talk) 20:52, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241019205200","author":"Viriditas","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Viriditas-20241019205200-Crisco_1492-20241018201200","replies":["c-Crisco_1492-20241019210600-Viriditas-20241019205200"]}}-->
Hi Viriditas. I think that would be sufficient. I've added it to the end of the relevant sentence. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 21:06, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241019210600","author":"Crisco 1492","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Crisco_1492-20241019210600-Viriditas-20241019205200","replies":["c-Viriditas-20241019214900-Crisco_1492-20241019210600"],"displayName":"Chris Woodrich"}}-->
Thank you User:Crisco 1492. I'm sorry to take up your time with this. I think we might have a better success rate with your hook if we just stick to the LTO source from the article.[23] This means modifying the hook such that we only focus on the user aspects, not the content. For some ideas, I will copy and past the source for you to see, and I think that will help you determine how to modify the hook. Note, this information is also already in the article. From the linked article: "According to the Berlin sports and media lawyer Robert Golz, the decision can also be applied to other situations in which a private individual - similar to a football club - uses its decision-making power resulting from a monopoly or structural superiority to exclude certain people without objective reason. According to the lawyer, this could be the case, for example, if clubs exclude certain media representatives from their press conferences because they have, for example, expressed criticism of the club in the past. In this case, the press representatives' professional freedom and freedom of the press would be at stake. The lawyer sees further consequences of the ruling: "The Federal Constitutional Court's decision could also be applied to participation in social networks such as Facebook, which have excluded a user. However, if the exclusion is due to an objective reason and was not arbitrary or irrelevant, nothing can be done to counteract the exclusion," Golz told LTO." For what it's worth, the original nominator was leaning towards using this as a hook, but didn't have time to do so. Viriditas (talk) 21:49, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241019214900","author":"Viriditas","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Viriditas-20241019214900-Crisco_1492-20241019210600","replies":["c-Crisco_1492-20241019232000-Viriditas-20241019214900"]}}-->
No worries, Viriditas. This is a good-looking article and deserves a chance. What about ALT3 ... that a German court's decision involving football stadiums may preclude Facebook from arbitrarily banning users? — Chris Woodrich (talk) 23:20, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241019232000","author":"Crisco 1492","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Crisco_1492-20241019232000-Viriditas-20241019214900","replies":["c-Viriditas-20241020001100-Crisco_1492-20241019232000"],"displayName":"Chris Woodrich"}}-->
User:Crisco 1492, I think that's perfect and I want to pass it. One other thing I noticed is that the use of italics in the article is confusing. Sometimes they might be used to indicate non-English words, other times they might be used to indicate a proper name. Could you take a look? Other than that, I think we're done. If you don't see anything wrong with the italics and use of non-italics, that's fine, but I did want to have other eyes on it before I wrap this up. Viriditas (talk) 00:11, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241020001100","author":"Viriditas","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Viriditas-20241020001100-Crisco_1492-20241019232000","replies":["c-Crisco_1492-20241020001800-Viriditas-20241020001100"]}}-->
Hi Viriditas, I think I got it. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:18, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241020001800","author":"Crisco 1492","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Crisco_1492-20241020001800-Viriditas-20241020001100","replies":[],"displayName":"Chris Woodrich"}}-->
Overall: Prefer ALT3, created by User:Crisco 1492. Original nominator previously discussed the potential of this kind of hook, but got too busy with school/work. Article is new and long enough, originally moved from draft to main space within the seven day period. QPQ not needed. Earwig shows no issues. Some sources in the article are accepted in good faith due to paywalls. Most of the others, particularly the hook itself, have been verified. Hook is short (112 chars), interesting and timely. For the sake of transparency, the original nominator was concerned that a hook like ALT3 would fall afoul of the sensationalism proscription in WP:DYKHOOK, but I don't believe it does. In the event that others disagree, my second choice would be ALT1.Article was new and long enough on 21 September when it was moved from draft to mainspace. I don't like the current hooks, partly because of the way they are written, and partly because I don't find them interesting per se, but they might be more interesting if they were rewritten. The nominator has shown that they acknowledge there are more interesting hooks to be had, particularly in terms of the legal ramifications of the decision on social media companies. I would encourage the nominator to work the kinks out and add more hooks to choose from to this nomination, or failing that, rewrite the current ones.Viriditas (talk) 00:34, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241020003400","author":"Viriditas","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Viriditas-20241020003400-Stadionverbot_Decision","replies":[]}}-->
Created by TenPoundHammer (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 12 past nominations.
Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?)19:35, 21 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240921193500","author":"TenPoundHammer","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-TenPoundHammer-20240921193500-Hixtape:_Vol._3:_Difftape","replies":["c-Sammi_Brie-20241019030200-TenPoundHammer-20240921193500"]}}-->
New enough and long enough. QPQ present. Hook fact checks out to source and is in article. Don't see any other issues. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 03:02, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241019030200","author":"Sammi Brie","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Sammi_Brie-20241019030200-TenPoundHammer-20240921193500","replies":[]}}-->
Source: Floriani, Giulia Pra (2023). "Photographic Portraits of Leaders of the 1911 Revolution: The Promise of Historical Rupture in the Chinese Republican Press". In Satterthwaite, Tim; Thacker, Andrew (eds.). Magazines and Modern Identities: Global Cultures of the Illustrated Press, 1880–1945. Bloomsbury. ISBN978-1-350-27865-3. "By implicitly accusing Yuan Shikai of Song Jiaoren's death, the Gao brothers condemned The True Record to a premature end."
ALT1: ... that the ideas of aesthetic education conveyed by the The True Record(pictured) may have informed the May Fourth Movement? Source: Pan Yaochang (潘耀昌) Xu Li (徐立) (2011). "上海早期都市文艺先锋 ———《真相画报》" [Shanghai's Early Urban Art Pioneer - "The True Record"] (PDF). Journal of Shanghai University (in Chinese): 131–140. (Quote: 画报所设想的通过探索都市新美术，倡导中西融合以提升中华民族文化内涵的举措，从某种角度而言，为五四运动时期倡导“美育”思想做了铺垫。The pictorial's idea of exploring new urban art and advocating the integration of Chinese and Western cultures to enhance the cultural connotation of the Chinese nation, in a sense, paved the way for the advocacy of "aesthetic education" during the May Fourth Movement.)
Created by Crisco 1492 (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 681 past nominations.
— Chris Woodrich (talk) 15:30, 21 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240921153000","author":"Crisco 1492","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Crisco_1492-20240921153000-The_True_Record","replies":["c-Cunard-20240923094100-Crisco_1492-20240921153000"],"displayName":"Chris Woodrich"}}-->
Verified that the article is long enough, that there are no plagiarism concerns through the Copyvios tool and spotchecking, and that the hook is sourced in the article. Cunard (talk) 09:41, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240923094100","author":"Cunard","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Cunard-20240923094100-Crisco_1492-20240921153000","replies":["c-Cunard-20240923094100-Cunard-20240923094100"]}}-->
Both hooks are verified and interesting. The image is in the public domain. Impressive research on this very interesting article on an important topic! Cunard (talk) 09:41, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240923094100","author":"Cunard","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Cunard-20240923094100-Cunard-20240923094100","replies":[]}}-->
... that Marine chaplain Francis W. Kelly(pictured) was known as "Father Foxhole" for his insistence on being on the front lines of the Pacific Theater?
Moved to mainspace by Darth Stabro (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
~Darth StabroTalk/Contribs05:02, 23 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240923050200","author":"Darth Stabro","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Darth_Stabro-20240923050200-Francis_W._Kelly","replies":["c-Darth_Stabro-20240923152300-Darth_Stabro-20240923050200"]}}-->
Hi Darth Stabro, review follows: article moved to mainspace on 23 September and exceeds minimum length; article is well written and cited inline throughout; I don't have access to all of the sources but they look to be reliable and I didn't find any issues with overly close paraphrasing on a spotcheck of ones I could access; for the image do you have any evidence it was taken by a serving US military person, other than the setting of it? Its immediate source is a US newspaper. Hook is interesting but the nickname is only mentioned in the lead and that it was awarded for "his insistence on being on the front lines" isn't mentioned.
@Dumelow: I'll get confirmation from the PA Veterans Museum that it is a USMC image but all evidence suggests it being an official portrait. I've placed and sourced more into on the nickname.~Darth StabroTalk/Contribs15:23, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240923152300","author":"Darth Stabro","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Darth_Stabro-20240923152300-Darth_Stabro-20240923050200","replies":["c-Dumelow-20240923152600-Darth_Stabro-20240923152300","c-Dumelow-20240930200100-Darth_Stabro-20240923152300"]}}-->
Thanks, give me a ping when you hear back and I'll pop back to complete the review. As you say the photo is almost certainly taken for official purposes but good to have confirmation - Dumelow (talk) 15:26, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240923152600","author":"Dumelow","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Dumelow-20240923152600-Darth_Stabro-20240923152300","replies":["c-Darth_Stabro-20240928182300-Dumelow-20240923152600"]}}-->
Howdy @Dumelow:, I've just got off the phone with the PA Veterans Museum where the Inquirer got the photo from and they confirmed that the photo is an official military photo and in the public domain. ~Darth StabroTalk/Contribs18:23, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240928182300","author":"Darth Stabro","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Darth_Stabro-20240928182300-Dumelow-20240923152600","replies":["c-Dumelow-20240930092500-Darth_Stabro-20240928182300"]}}-->
Thanks Darth Stabro, image looks good. My only hang up is on the "because of his insistence on being on the front lines" bit of the hook. I don't think this is explicitly stated in the article. We have "Kelly's time as a chaplain was marked by an insistence on being on the front lines" and "The Marines of his division became so accustomed to seeing him that they nicknamed him "Father Foxhole" or "Foxhole Kelly"" but the two aren't linked directly. I'm happy to approve both hooks without the "insistence" part or perhaps you can suggest something? - Dumelow (talk) 09:25, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240930092500","author":"Dumelow","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Dumelow-20240930092500-Darth_Stabro-20240928182300","replies":["c-Darth_Stabro-20240930173300-Dumelow-20240930092500"]}}-->
Yeah, that makes sense Dumelow. How about was known as "Father Foxhole" for his consistent presence on the front lines? (I have no preference on which hook, whichever you think is best) ~Darth StabroTalk/Contribs17:33, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240930173300","author":"Darth Stabro","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Darth_Stabro-20240930173300-Dumelow-20240930092500","replies":[]}}-->
ALT2: ... that Marine chaplain Francis W. Kelly(pictured) was known as "Father Foxhole" for his presence on the front lines of the Pacific Theater?
Approving ALT2 and ALT3 above. I don't yet have newspapers.com access but happy to AGF that the source supports the statement in the article " The Marines of his division became so accustomed to seeing him that they nicknamed him 'Father Foxhole'"; seems to be corroborated elsewhere anyway - Dumelow (talk) 20:01, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240930200100","author":"Dumelow","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Dumelow-20240930200100-Darth_Stabro-20240923152300","replies":[]}}-->
... that the Chinese community of Kota Kinabalu sponsored the creation of the Malaysia Monument(pictured) just 20 days before it needed to be completed to mark the formation of Malaysia? Source: Daily Express
Overall: A picture of the monument would help and it's not clear why one of the article's pictures has not been nominated. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:12, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240922091200","author":"Andrew Davidson","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Andrew_Davidson-20240922091200-Malaysia_Monument","replies":["c-Chipmunkdavis-20240922101800-Andrew_Davidson-20240922091200"],"displayName":"Andrew"}}-->
A good question, to which the answer is that I did not think about that at all. I quite like the infobox image, which captured the monument with the state and national flags around it. If others disagree, I can try to find another. CMD (talk) 10:18, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240922101800","author":"Chipmunkdavis","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Chipmunkdavis-20240922101800-Andrew_Davidson-20240922091200","replies":[],"displayName":"CMD"}}-->
Converted from a redirect by Brachy0008 (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
brachy08(chat here lol)09:37, 24 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240924093700","author":"Brachy0008","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Brachy0008-20240924093700-How_You_Get_the_Girl","replies":[],"displayName":"brachy08"}}-->
Overall: Article is well balanced, sourced and written from a neutral point of view. It is new enough, as it has been moved from draftspace within the last 7 days and the earwig tool found no signs of copyright violation or plagiarism. The hooks are interesting enough and the sources provided are reliable. Well done, WolverineXI(talk to me)10:19, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240924101900","author":"Wolverine XI","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Wolverine_XI-20240924101900-How_You_Get_the_Girl","replies":["c-Brachy0008-20240924104100-Wolverine_XI-20240924101900"]}}-->
personally, i feel that the original hook is suitable (because of the image) also bc i have less than 5 dyk noms, qpq doesn't really apply to me (yet) brachy08(chat here lol)10:41, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240924104100","author":"Brachy0008","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Brachy0008-20240924104100-Wolverine_XI-20240924101900","replies":["c-Wolverine_XI-20240924104600-Brachy0008-20240924104100"],"displayName":"brachy08"}}-->
If that's the case, then you should probably remove the second hook. WolverineXI(talk to me)10:46, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240924104600","author":"Wolverine XI","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Wolverine_XI-20240924104600-Brachy0008-20240924104100","replies":[]}}-->
removed brachy08(chat here lol)11:14, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240924111400","author":"Brachy0008","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Brachy0008-20240924111400-How_You_Get_the_Girl","replies":["c-AirshipJungleman29-20241020213900-Brachy0008-20240924111400"],"displayName":"brachy08"}}-->
@Brachy0008 and Wolverine XI:, I can't find where the sources verify that the choreography was inspired by Singin' in the Rain—while the Independent says "there is a mass “Singing in the Rain”-style choreographed dance sequence to “How to Get the Girl”", which isn't quite the same thing. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 21:39, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241020213900","author":"AirshipJungleman29","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-AirshipJungleman29-20241020213900-Brachy0008-20240924111400","replies":[],"displayName":"~~ AirshipJungleman29"}}-->
... that Ye Yanlan compiled 171 portraits of Qing dynasty scholars, but these were not published until decades after his death?
Source: Yan Jiasen (严家森) Ma Xiao (马潇) (5 August 2003). "[祖孙篇 叶衍兰 叶恭绰] 进则为达官，退亦是名士" [[Grandparents and Grandchildren: Ye Yanlan and Ye Gongchuo] If You Advance, You Will Be a High Official; If You Retreat, You Will Be a Famous Scholar]. Southern Metropolis Daily (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 12 August 2022. Retrieved 23 September 2024 – via Guangdong Library. [同时，由于他擅长丹青，留意搜集历代名贤的画像，其中清代学者的尤为丰富，积三十年之功，得到169人171幅图像，给后世留下了宝贵的《清代学者象传》。 At the same time, because he was good at painting, he paid attention to collecting portraits of famous people from past dynasties, especially scholars from the Qing Dynasty. After 30 years of hard work, he collected 171 images of 169 people, leaving behind the precious "Portraits of Scholars in the Qing Dynasty" for future generations.]
ALT1: ... that, according to his family, Ye Yanlan was compelled to leave government service after speaking Cantonese in front of the Emperor of China? Source: Yeh, Max (2006a). "The Yeh Family Collection". The Elegant Gathering: The Yeh Family Collection. Asian Art Museum. pp. 1–14. ISBN978-0-939117-33-8. "Family stories say that he was exiled out of the court back to Panyu because he spoke Cantonese in the presence of the emperor, one of those southern, nationalistic claims to resisting the “foreign,” Manchurian dynasty."
Overall: Hi Chris! This is another well-written and well-sourced article about a Chinese historical figure. Earwig shows that it is copyvio free, and the sources for the hook check out. Personally, I find ALT1 to be more interesting, (not because I am a native Cantonese speaker,) but as many painters have their works published posthumously, it is not really that special or interesting. So I would prefer ALT1. —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul）13:44, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241004134400","author":"Prince of Erebor","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Prince_of_Erebor-20241004134400-Ye_Yanlan","replies":[]}}-->
Overall: Hello @さえぼー: I hope you are well! 🙂 I have just a few minor issues to fix before passing this DYK. Everything else from this review looks good, but specifically in the Reception section, could you could remove the text with the finest collection of Irish timepieces in the world as it is both not neutral and taken word-for-word from the source? Two other sentences I would change would be: Since the opening, it has been a popular tourist destination.[9] In 2024, along with the nearby Bishop's Palace, it was recognised by Tripadvisor's Travellers’ Choice Awards.[10] to The museum has become a tourist destination,[9] and in 2024 was recognised, along with the nearby Bishop's Palace, by Tripadvisor's Travellers' Choice Awards.[10] for more neutrality, and [...] and to participate in the Epic Walking Tour, a guided walk around the Viking Triangle.[12] to and to participate in a guided walk around the Viking Triangle.[12] again for more neutrality. Super minor things, and after these are addressed, I'd love to pass the DYK. Cheers! Johnson52416:55, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241012165500","author":"Johnson524","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Johnson524-20241012165500-Irish_Museum_of_Time","replies":["c-\u3055\u3048\u307c\u30fc-20241012183500-Johnson524-20241012165500"],"displayName":"Johnson"}}-->
Thank you very much for the comment. I fixed the issues. --saebou (talk) 18:35, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241012183500","author":"\u3055\u3048\u307c\u30fc","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-\u3055\u3048\u307c\u30fc-20241012183500-Johnson524-20241012165500","replies":["c-Johnson524-20241013225800-\u3055\u3048\u307c\u30fc-20241012183500"],"displayName":"saebou"}}-->
Passing DYK! Johnson52422:58, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241013225800","author":"Johnson524","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Johnson524-20241013225800-\u3055\u3048\u307c\u30fc-20241012183500","replies":[],"displayName":"Johnson"}}-->
... that in retirement and after a long career of military and civil service Walter Campbell Smith changed his legal name to Walter Campbell-Smith?
Source: https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/41787/page/5027 - London Gazette, 1959 'Notice is hereby given that by a Deed Poll dated 21st July 1959, and enrolled in the Supreme Court of Judicature on 5th August 1959, I, WALTER CAMPBELL-SMITH ... Retired Civil Servant .. abandoned the surname of Smith. —Dated the 6th day of August 1959. W. Campbell-Smith, formerly Walter Campbell Smith.
ALT1: ... that Walter Campbell Smith's ability in Latin helped win him his first job as a mineralogist in the British Museum, where he then worked for his whole career? Source: Cherry Lewis, The Dating Game, 2012, p 51 - google books extract https://www.google.co.uk/books/edition/The_Dating_Game/d2AZZ3NXuogC? - [Appointment as assistant to the department of mineralogy in 1910] "While Holmes came first in mineralogy .. he came second overall, Latin apparently letting him down. Walter Campbell Smith was awarded the post and stayed there all his working life"
5x expanded by Chaiten1 (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 10 past nominations.
Chaiten1 (talk) 10:06, 29 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240929100600","author":"Chaiten1","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Chaiten1-20240929100600-Walter_Campbell_Smith","replies":["c-PixDeVl-20241002233800-Chaiten1-20240929100600"]}}-->
This is not a full review right now(I'll try and get that done in a little bit), but I personally believe the hooks aren't really interesting enough for DYK, ALT0, and definitely more so. I didn't spot any eye-catching facts in my very brief pre-skim, but if @Chaiten1: has any other hooks from the article, feel free to add. If anyone disagrees that these are interesting, please ping me so we can discuss. --PixDeVlyell talk to me!23:38, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241002233800","author":"PixDeVl","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-PixDeVl-20241002233800-Chaiten1-20240929100600","replies":["c-Chaiten1-20241003165900-PixDeVl-20241002233800"]}}-->
Thank you @PixDeVl: I have one more offline source to check out, but I will come up with a couple more hooks to try out. The guy served in two World Wars, was in the chemical weapons unit at the Somme, and published his last article at the age of 94, so I am sure there's something to be found. Here are two more:
ALT2 ..that Walter Campbell Smith's training in mineralogy led him to volunteer with the chemical warfare unit of British army during World War 1?
Source: Foulkes, Charles (1934). Gas! The story of the Special Brigade. William Blackwood and Sons, Edinburgh. p. 62. "The twelve volunteers joined at Helfaut ... and were of the greatest assistance in our first three gas attacks. ... Campbell Smith stayed on in the special brigade" [offline source]
ALT3 ..that geologist Walter Campbell Smith was still writing papers at the age of 94?
Source: Journal of Gemmology, 1989 https://gem-a.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/JoG1989_21_8.pdf "culminated in a long paper based largely on his personal knowledge of 'Seventy Years of Research in mineralogy and crystallography in the Department of Mineralogy 1857-1927' which was published in 1982 when he was 94. Chaiten1 (talk) 16:59, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241003165900","author":"Chaiten1","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Chaiten1-20241003165900-PixDeVl-20241002233800","replies":["c-PixDeVl-20241003172100-Chaiten1-20241003165900"]}}-->
Awesome, thanks @Chaiten1:, I'll do the review soon. If you get any others from your offline source feel free to add and ping me. I'm leaning toward using ALT3 personally, but if you have something more interesting we can definitely go for it. --PixDeVlyell talk to me!17:21, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241003172100","author":"PixDeVl","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-PixDeVl-20241003172100-Chaiten1-20241003165900","replies":[]}}-->
Overall: Looks good to me @Chaiten1: I'm going to WP:BOLDLY go ahead and give this full approval since I'm fairly confident in this being a compliment with the criteria(if someone disagrees please correct me). I will suggest before promoting that perhaps expanding ALT1 to mention who he beat(the guy who pioneered radiometric dating) would probably be interesting enough since beating someone who made such a significant contribution by being better at a now dead language is a fun tidbit. I'd leave it to you to pick which should be promoted(or the promoter, I admit I'm not familiar with the process of closing DYK noms, feel free to point me to the right page or explain it :p). PixDeVlyell talk to me!17:53, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241003175300","author":"PixDeVl","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-PixDeVl-20241003175300-Walter_Campbell_Smith","replies":[]}}-->
Moved to mainspace by Generalissima (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 81 past nominations.
Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 05:25, 28 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240928052500","author":"Generalissima","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Generalissima-20240928052500-Sun_Jianai","replies":["c-Onceinawhile-20240929095200-Generalissima-20240928052500"]}}-->
Interesting article, thanks. I will review this shortly. Onceinawhile (talk) 09:52, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240929095200","author":"Onceinawhile","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Onceinawhile-20240929095200-Generalissima-20240928052500","replies":["c-Onceinawhile-20240929113400-Onceinawhile-20240929095200"]}}-->
@Generalissima: are you sure it's correct to say that Sun "founded" the university? The article doesn't quite state it in that way. It seems that technically the university was established by the first edict of the Guangxu Emperor as part of the Hundred Days' Reform? If it is correct, was he the sole founder or a co-founder? Onceinawhile (talk) 11:34, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240929113400","author":"Onceinawhile","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Onceinawhile-20240929113400-Onceinawhile-20240929095200","replies":["c-Generalissima-20240930160700-Onceinawhile-20240929113400"]}}-->
@Onceinawhile: Good point; changed it to "co-founded". Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 16:07, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240930160700","author":"Generalissima","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Generalissima-20240930160700-Onceinawhile-20240929113400","replies":["c-Onceinawhile-20240930191000-Generalissima-20240930160700"]}}-->
Hi @Generalissima: sorry to be difficult but are you sure that is right? It doesn't say founder or co-founder anywhere in the article. This source says: "On July 3, 1898, Emperor Guangxu approved a report to implement the Imperial University of Peking and to draft its charter. Sun Jianai, a senior Chinese official, was appointed “guanli daxuetang shiwu dachen,” or the (education) minister for the imperial university's affairs." The "guanli daxuetang shiwu dachen" is zh:Category:管理大学堂事务大臣. If we are to use co-founder we will need a source stating that. Onceinawhile (talk) 19:10, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240930191000","author":"Onceinawhile","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Onceinawhile-20240930191000-Generalissima-20240930160700","replies":["c-Generalissima-20240930203100-Onceinawhile-20240930191000"]}}-->
@Onceinawhile: I felt that "was tasked to organize" works for "co-founded", but I'm okay deferring to an slightly alternate hook. How about Alt1:… that Sun Jianai organized China's first national university in 1898? (again citing the Lin 2005 source) Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 20:31, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240930203100","author":"Generalissima","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Generalissima-20240930203100-Onceinawhile-20240930191000","replies":[]}}-->
Overall: ALT1 good to go! Onceinawhile (talk) 21:08, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240930210800","author":"Onceinawhile","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Onceinawhile-20240930210800-Sun_Jianai","replies":["c-AirshipJungleman29-20241019120200-Onceinawhile-20240930210800"]}}-->
GeneralissimaPeking University says that Tianjin University was older; is that incorrect? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 12:02, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241019120200","author":"AirshipJungleman29","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-AirshipJungleman29-20241019120200-Onceinawhile-20240930210800","replies":["c-Generalissima-20241019152400-AirshipJungleman29-20241019120200"],"displayName":"~~ AirshipJungleman29"}}-->
AirshipJungleman29 Tianjin was established as a law school with state approval, but it wasn't a national university initially - although it is now. If this seems problematic, I'm okay changing it to "one of China's first universities". Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 15:24, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241019152400","author":"Generalissima","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Generalissima-20241019152400-AirshipJungleman29-20241019120200","replies":[]}}-->
ALT5: ... that NFL player Muadianvita Kazadi was described as "flat-out tough", "ruthless" and an "on-field demolition man" who "tries to devour" his opponents? Source: ALT0 + Tulsa World (paywalled) + ALT4
Comment: Will do QPQ within 24 hours. There are a lot of possibilities with Kazadi, who was quite an interesting figure. I particularly like ALT0, ALT2, ALT5, ALT6 and ALT7.
5x expanded by BeanieFan11 (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 255 past nominations.
BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:48, 5 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241005234800","author":"BeanieFan11","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-BeanieFan11-20241005234800-Muadianvita_Kazadi","replies":[]}}-->
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith
Interesting:
QPQ: Done.
Overall: AGFing the paywalled sources. No major issues found, since, of course, it is a GA. Looks good. My preference is either the original hook, ALT4, or ALT6. Cremastra (talk) 16:38, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241013163800","author":"Cremastra","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Cremastra-20241013163800-Muadianvita_Kazadi","replies":[]}}-->
... that Frederick Prigg and his predecessor in the Oregon provisional government's secretary position were both doctors who died by drowning in a river at Oregon City just three years apart?
Source: On p. 11 of the "Oregon Secretaries of State, Biographical Sketches, 1841-Present", it says John Edward Long was a physician, then goes on to say "Long served as secretary of the provisional government from May 25, 1844 to June 21, 1846. … He served in that position until he was drowned while fording the Clackamas River." In the next paragraph, the source says Frederick Prigg was a physician, then says "Prigg was appointed secretary of the provisional government to succeed Long … He fell to his death from a bluff into the Willamette River at Oregon City in October 1849." The same events are covered in Footnote 74 on p.36 of Bancroft’s History of Oregon, Volume II, but that source say Dr Long drown in the Willamette River at Oregon City (vice Clackamas River, which also flows through Oregon City). As a result, I decided not to name the river in the hook … instead of just said "river", which applies regardless of which river he drowned in.
Created by Orygun (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 121 past nominations.
Orygun (talk) 06:04, 28 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240928060400","author":"Orygun","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Orygun-20240928060400-Frederick_Prigg","replies":["c-BeanieFan11-20241002165700-Orygun-20240928060400"]}}-->
Will review this. BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:57, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241002165700","author":"BeanieFan11","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-BeanieFan11-20241002165700-Orygun-20240928060400","replies":[]}}-->
Comment: Article came from draft today after 960 days. Images have all gone though VRT. COI has been properly addressed on authors user page and though the AfC process. Might be of interest for anyone interested in Canada and the Arts.
Moved to mainspace by Dr vulpes (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 5 past nominations.
Dr vulpes(Talk)15:48, 28 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240928154800","author":"Dr vulpes","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dr_vulpes-20240928154800-Wilf_Perreault","replies":["c-Chaiten1-20240928175400-Dr_vulpes-20240928154800"]}}-->
Article is new enough (just out of draft space), long enough and appropriately referenced. The images have appropriate permissions (CC-BY-SA etc). No copyvio problems. The hook is short enough, but perhaps is missing a word or two - are they landscape painters? Is there anything surprising about this? Should the hook link to these two as well? It probably just needs a tweak Chaiten1 (talk) 17:54, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240928175400","author":"Chaiten1","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Chaiten1-20240928175400-Dr_vulpes-20240928154800","replies":["c-Dr_vulpes-20240928223600-Chaiten1-20240928175400","c-Chaiten1-20240929072200-Chaiten1-20240928175400"]}}-->
How does this sound? Dr vulpes(Talk)22:36, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240928223600","author":"Dr vulpes","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Dr_vulpes-20240928223600-Chaiten1-20240928175400","replies":[]}}-->
This looks good to me - QPQ done, and no other issues. Thank you! Chaiten1 (talk) 07:22, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240929072200","author":"Chaiten1","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Chaiten1-20240929072200-Chaiten1-20240928175400","replies":[]}}-->
Created by UndercoverClassicist (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 27 past nominations.
UndercoverClassicistT·C14:46, 28 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240928144600","author":"UndercoverClassicist","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-UndercoverClassicist-20240928144600-Blanche_Badcock","replies":[]}}-->
Overall: Consider changing King's Prize to Sovereign's, since that's what's cited in the the OUP, though I understand this may be an anachronism. Will leave up to the promoter; otherwise good to go. ThaesOfereode (talk) 22:34, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240928223400","author":"ThaesOfereode","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-ThaesOfereode-20240928223400-Blanche_Badcock","replies":["c-UndercoverClassicist-20240929101900-ThaesOfereode-20240928223400"]}}-->
Thanks -- "Sovereign's Prize" and "King's Prize" are the same thing, though there's another argument for "Sovereign's" (that no woman had ever shot for the prize while Victoria was on the throne). I've made that change. UndercoverClassicistT·C10:19, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240929101900","author":"UndercoverClassicist","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-UndercoverClassicist-20240929101900-ThaesOfereode-20240928223400","replies":[]}}-->
Overall: Looks good to me in general, marking as a second opinion since I'm not very experienced with DYK reviews yet, so I would absolutely value anyone who notices a mistake on my part to point it out to me directly. I have slight reservations about the reliability of the sources; although this is a personal thing, I don't really have hard reasoning to object to, and given the context of the topic, it should be fine. Besides sourcing, I would give it a , a religious leader banning animal sacrifices is pretty interesting, and all the boxes are checked. PixDeVlyell talk to me!21:34, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241001213400","author":"PixDeVl","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-PixDeVl-20241001213400-Tenzin_Doendrup","replies":["c-Ktin-20241004022900-PixDeVl-20241001213400","c-PixDeVl-20241004032500-PixDeVl-20241001213400","c-Ktin-20241019195200-PixDeVl-20241001213400"]}}-->
@PixDeVl: Thanks for this review. Regarding the source, Kuensel is a major newspaper in Bhutan and as such should be considered trustworthy unless determined otherwise. Our own article on Kuensel says is the national newspaper of the Kingdom of Bhutan. It was the only local newspaper available in Bhutan until 2006 when two more newspapers were launched.. Now for the fact itself, we will have to go with what the newspaper quotes. Ktin (talk) 02:29, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241004022900","author":"Ktin","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Ktin-20241004022900-PixDeVl-20241001213400","replies":[]}}-->
@Ktin: Hm, alright then! Ideally, someone else would see this and review it soon, but if not, I'd probably be fine looking again(although a second set of eyes is better than a second look) and approving(I already felt comfortable enough to fully approve another nom anyway). I'll check back on this tomorrow afternoon. --PixDeVlyell talk to me!03:25, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241004032500","author":"PixDeVl","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-PixDeVl-20241004032500-PixDeVl-20241001213400","replies":["c-Ktin-20241012005300-PixDeVl-20241004032500"]}}-->
Checking in on this one, @PixDeVl:. Appreciate your actions. Ktin (talk) 00:53, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241012005300","author":"Ktin","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Ktin-20241012005300-PixDeVl-20241004032500","replies":["c-PixDeVl-20241013183800-Ktin-20241012005300"]}}-->
Sorry for the delay @Ktin: here. --PixDeVlyell talk to me!18:38, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241013183800","author":"PixDeVl","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-PixDeVl-20241013183800-Ktin-20241012005300","replies":[]}}-->
Request to the promoting admin -- would like for the hook to be slotted in the picture slot of an upcoming set. No concerns with the additional wait. Thanks. Ktin (talk) 19:52, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241019195200","author":"Ktin","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Ktin-20241019195200-PixDeVl-20241001213400","replies":["c-AirshipJungleman29-20241020212900-Ktin-20241019195200"]}}-->
Hi Ktin; the image is not great-quality and is not focused very well on the subject. It will not go into the picture slot, as there are many much more suitable, attractive, and interesting images available. Hope that's understandable, ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 21:29, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241020212900","author":"AirshipJungleman29","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-AirshipJungleman29-20241020212900-Ktin-20241019195200","replies":[],"displayName":"~~ AirshipJungleman29"}}-->
Yinanç, Refet (1989). Dulkadir Beyliği (in Turkish). Ankara: Turkish Historical Society Press. p. 61. ISBN9751601711. OCLC21676736.
Reviewed:
Improved to Good Article status by Aintabli (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
Aintabli (talk) 16:15, 7 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241007161500","author":"Aintabli","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Aintabli-20241007161500-Malik_Arslan","replies":["c-Thriley-20241007214500-Aintabli-20241007161500","c-Thriley-20241008164600-Aintabli-20241007161500"]}}-->
I will review this. Thriley (talk) 21:45, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241007214500","author":"Thriley","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Thriley-20241007214500-Aintabli-20241007161500","replies":[]}}-->
Article has achieved Good Article status. No issues of copyvio or plagiarism. All sources appear reliable. Hook is interesting and sourced. QPQ is not needed as nominator has 5 or less nominations. Looks ready to go. Thriley (talk) 16:46, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241008164600","author":"Thriley","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Thriley-20241008164600-Aintabli-20241007161500","replies":[]}}-->
5x expanded by Cielquiparle (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 65 past nominations.
Cielquiparle (talk) 03:48, 3 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241003034800","author":"Cielquiparle","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Cielquiparle-20241003034800-Margaret_Pargeter","replies":["c-ResonantDistortion-20241003083800-Cielquiparle-20241003034800"]}}-->
Review: Hook fact is cited in the article to an RS, and is sufficiently interesting; hook length is ok; earwig copyvio shows no issues; DYK check shows 5 x expansion so article is valid for DYK: Assuming article is at 5x now, expansion began 60 edits ago on September 29, 2024; 223 characters to 4,485 characters is actually a 20x expansion; article is long enough; article is presentable, stable and fully cited (note it was recently saved from AfD by the nominator); QPQ done. Either hook considered acceptable. Good stuff! ResonantDistortion08:38, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241003083800","author":"ResonantDistortion","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ResonantDistortion-20241003083800-Cielquiparle-20241003034800","replies":[]}}-->
Comment: ALT1 is more direct with the article title.
Created by Yue (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 22 past nominations.
Yue🌙08:36, 30 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240930083600","author":"Yue","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Yue-20240930083600-Organic_Cocoa_Production_and_Export_Cooperative","replies":["c-Pbritti-20241001034100-Yue-20240930083600"]}}-->
Everything looks good in terms of meeting the criteria for DYK but the hooks are lackluster (€464,000 isn't that fascinating a sum for a major chocolate factory). I recommend you look to a different aspect of the topic for the hook. ~ Pbritti (talk) 03:41, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241001034100","author":"Pbritti","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Pbritti-20241001034100-Yue-20240930083600","replies":["c-Yue-20241001045100-Pbritti-20241001034100","c-Pbritti-20241001160800-Pbritti-20241001034100"]}}-->
Source: "Actividades e Realizações" [Activities and Achievements]. CECAB-STP. Organic Cocoa Production and Export Cooperative. Retrieved 30 September 2024.
Yue🌙04:51, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241001045100","author":"Yue","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Yue-20241001045100-Pbritti-20241001034100","replies":[]}}-->
New hooks are solid. Good to go! ~ Pbritti (talk) 16:08, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241001160800","author":"Pbritti","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Pbritti-20241001160800-Pbritti-20241001034100","replies":[]}}-->
Source: Urbainczyk, Theresa (2014). Slave Revolts in Antiquity, pp. 52, 56. Park Square, Milton Park, Abingdon, 711 Third Avenue, New York, NY 10017, USA: Routledge. ISBN 978-1-84465-101-6.
Reviewed:
Improved to Good Article status by Harren the Red (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
Harren the Red (talk) 18:49, 2 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241002184900","author":"Harren the Red","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Harren_the_Red-20241002184900-Eunus","replies":[]}}-->
Overall: Article is new enough, well sourced, hook is interesting and QPQ is completed. I don't see anything that would hold this back from DYK, so I approve. Only thing I will say is that I don't think this image should be used, as I don't find it particularly informative, and the caption is also quite long. However, if anyone disagrees, feel free.TheBritinator (talk) 22:42, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241002224200","author":"TheBritinator","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-TheBritinator-20241002224200-Eunus","replies":["c-TheBritinator-20241002224900-TheBritinator-20241002224200","c-Jlwoodwa-20241009055200-TheBritinator-20241002224200"]}}-->
On a second look, it would appear that the website the image is sourced from declares that the image is published under a CC BY-NC-SA 4.0 license, which would make it incompatible with commons. If I am missing something, please feel free to correct me. TheBritinator (talk) 22:49, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241002224900","author":"TheBritinator","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-TheBritinator-20241002224900-TheBritinator-20241002224200","replies":["c-Harren_the_Red-20241002231600-TheBritinator-20241002224900"]}}-->
I can certainly edit the caption to be shorter (more concise), but from what I gather the image is a no go? I am not the original uploader of it to Commons, nor am I super familiar with copyright, so I will defer that judgement to you, though the image on commons itself says CC 4.0 international license. Also, would I edit the caption here, submit a new entry, or something else? How does the process work exactly? Thank you! Harren the Red (talk) 23:16, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241002231600","author":"Harren the Red","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Harren_the_Red-20241002231600-TheBritinator-20241002224900","replies":["c-TheBritinator-20241003133300-Harren_the_Red-20241002231600"]}}-->
@Harren the Red:, no need for a new nomination, we'd just not use the image. Is that good for you? TheBritinator (talk) 13:33, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241003133300","author":"TheBritinator","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-TheBritinator-20241003133300-Harren_the_Red-20241002231600","replies":["c-Harren_the_Red-20241003153900-TheBritinator-20241003133300"]}}-->
@TheBritinator:, yes, certainly! Thank you for the help :) Harren the Red (talk) 15:39, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241003153900","author":"Harren the Red","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Harren_the_Red-20241003153900-TheBritinator-20241003133300","replies":["c-TheBritinator-20241003161500-Harren_the_Red-20241003153900"]}}-->
Sounds good, then I approve of the hook. TheBritinator (talk) 16:15, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241003161500","author":"TheBritinator","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-TheBritinator-20241003161500-Harren_the_Red-20241003153900","replies":[]}}-->
The proposed hook has two non-bolded links next to each other, which is discouraged by WP:DYKMOS. Since "slave" is linked to the more specific page Slavery in ancient Rome, I think it's better to unlink "Syrian". jlwoodwa (talk) 05:52, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241009055200","author":"Jlwoodwa","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jlwoodwa-20241009055200-TheBritinator-20241002224200","replies":["c-Harren_the_Red-20241010164800-Jlwoodwa-20241009055200","c-AirshipJungleman29-20241010161800-Jlwoodwa-20241009055200"]}}-->
@Jlwoodwa: I'm perfectly fine with unlinking Syrian. Harren the Red (talk) 16:48, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241010164800","author":"Harren the Red","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Harren_the_Red-20241010164800-Jlwoodwa-20241009055200","replies":[]}}-->
@TheBritinator and Harren the Red:, you cannot be "king of a war", right? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:18, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241010161800","author":"AirshipJungleman29","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-AirshipJungleman29-20241010161800-Jlwoodwa-20241009055200","replies":["c-Harren_the_Red-20241010164500-AirshipJungleman29-20241010161800"],"displayName":"~~ AirshipJungleman29"}}-->
@AirshipJungleman29: hi, the verbage is a bit of an oversimplification. Eunus became king of the revolting slaves; so I guess it could be that he "rose to become leader and king of the First Servile Revolt", but the name of the article on the war is First Servile War, so it reads a bit strangely. It can certainly be edited toward that end. Harren the Red (talk) 16:45, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241010164500","author":"Harren the Red","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Harren_the_Red-20241010164500-AirshipJungleman29-20241010161800","replies":[]}}-->
... that although Hugh O'Neill(pictured) publicly assisted the English Crown in thwarting Irish rebels during the Nine Years' War, he was secretly the leader of the Irish confederacy?
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:: Interesting hook. Article is sufficiently long and well sourced. Suggested to keep Sarvagyana guru (talk) 06:51, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241007065100","author":"Sarvagyana guru","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Sarvagyana_guru-20241007065100-SkywalkerEccleston-20241005125200","replies":[]}}-->
... that to capture the essence of 1980s-style action film, the opening fight scenes of Stuntman were filmed on the escalators of an old shopping arcade?
ALT1: ... that Stephen Tung was cast in Stuntman because the directors envisioned someone who had co-starred with Bruce Lee for the lead role? Source: [2]
Overall: New enough, long enough, and including Bruce Lee will definitely hook readers. Earwig shows only 4.8% for English-language sources; AGF on Chinese ones. Not sure the image is very relevant, and it should probably be omitted. Looks good to go! — Chris Woodrich (talk) 03:27, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241020032700","author":"Crisco 1492","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Crisco_1492-20241020032700-Stuntman_(2024_film)","replies":[],"displayName":"Chris Woodrich"}}-->
References
^彭麗芳 (20 September 2024). "《武替道》導演：找一個方法繼續走下去". Ming Pao (in Chinese). Retrieved 30 September 2024. 電影開首完美還原一九八○年代港產經典武打戲場景和老舊質感，包括在尖東半島中心幾層樓和扶手電梯之間追逐打鬥、從九龍海旁天橋一躍而下到貨車頂等等。 [The film's opening perfectly recreates the classic action scenes and vintage feel of 1980s Hong Kong films, including chase fights between several floors and escalators at Peninsula Centre, East Tsim Sha Tsui, as well as jumping from the Kowloon waterfront overpass onto the roof of a truck.]
^"《武替道》兄弟導演致敬港產動作片 伍允龍夥董瑋演繹武師辛酸". Hong Kong Economic Times (in Chinese). 18 September 2024. Retrieved 30 September 2024. Albert透露他們常到尖東星光大道一間咖啡店構思劇本，有次留意到咖啡店外設於星光大道的李小龍銅像，但如今像被置於一旁，予人一種不再重要的感覺。兩人坦言：「始終李小龍令香港動作電影變得知名。」因此深思現時香港有誰曾跟李小龍同框出現過，便即時想起董瑋參演《龍爭虎鬥》中「Don' t look at my finger」的經典對白，認為若戲中有Dee哥望着李小龍銅像一幕，對武師題材的電影帶有一份深厚的意思。 [Albert [Leung] revealed that they often go to a café at the Avenue of Stars to brainstorm for the script. One time, they noticed the statue of Bruce Lee located on the promenade outside the café, but now it seems to have been set aside, giving off a sense of being unimportant. The two admitted, "After all, Bruce Lee made Hong Kong action films famous." This led them to reflect on who in Hong Kong has appeared alongside Bruce Lee, and they immediately recalled Stephen Tung’s classic line "Don't look at my finger" from The Big Boss. They believed that if there were a scene in the film with Tung looking at the Bruce Lee statue, it would add a profound significance to a film about martial artists.]
... that members of the Fijian Labour Corps(pictured) attracted notice on the Western Front of the First World War for their height and muscularity?
Source: "The Native Fijian Contingent caused quite a stir on their travels to the frontline. They were highly visible in their traditional sulu uniform, wore no hats, and were of large and muscular build" from: "Fiji – Pasifika involvement in the First World War". Christchurch City Libraries. Retrieved 23 September 2024. the goes on to give other examples of their physicality, including references to their height
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I love the height/muscle hook. Is the source reliable? I'm not familiar with it. Is there perhaps a better one? Facially, the base requirements are met, and it's a well-written, well-sourced article. Only pending the source for the hook (which is also the sole cited source for the fact in the article). ꧁Zanahary꧂03:09, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241014030900","author":"Zanahary","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Zanahary-20241014030900-Dumelow-20241003150300","replies":["c-Dumelow-20241014095100-Zanahary-20241014030900"]}}-->
Hi Zanahary, it's published by the library service for New Zealand's second city. It looked reliable enough to me but happy to hear other opinions - Dumelow (talk) 09:51, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241014095100","author":"Dumelow","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Dumelow-20241014095100-Zanahary-20241014030900","replies":["c-Zanahary-20241014171500-Dumelow-20241014095100"]}}-->
Ah, then that is reliable Dumelow. I would still seek a source with an attributable author, since it is a viewpoint, but for the purpose of DYK I think it's settled. ꧁Zanahary꧂17:15, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241014171500","author":"Zanahary","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Zanahary-20241014171500-Dumelow-20241014095100","replies":[]}}-->
... that Rose O'Neill's marriage to nobleman Hugh Roe O'Donnell united two powerful noble families that had been rivals for centuries?
Source: Morgan, Hiram (1993). Tyrone's Rebellion: The outbreak of the Nine Years' War in Tudor Ireland. London: The Boydell Press. ISBN 0-86193-224-2. p.
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Overall: No QPQ required, article was promoted to GA in the last week. Interesting hook as well, and is supported by reliable sources. Good work on the article, Captain Galaxy! ~ TailsWx13:51, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241006135100","author":"Tails Wx","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Tails_Wx-20241006135100-Delibird","replies":[],"displayName":"Tails"}}-->
Comment: Pending successful closure of AfD discussion. Article has been kept.
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Article is new and long enough (expanded), well-sourced, copyvio-free, and presentable. I prefer ALT1. All hooks are cited to reliable sources, and are short enough and interesting. Images are properly licensed. QPQ done. Looks good to go. Vacant0(talk • contribs)18:39, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241004183900","author":"Vacant0","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Vacant0-20241004183900-Epicgenius-20241004135900","replies":[]}}-->
Source: Hüseyin Aykol. Türkiye'de sol örgütler: bölüne bölüne büyümek. Phoenix yayınevı, 2010. p. 41, Zehra F. Kabasakal Arat. Human Rights in Turkey. University of Pennsylvania Press, 2013. p. 47
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Will review this. BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:56, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241006225600","author":"BeanieFan11","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-BeanieFan11-20241006225600-Soman-20241005231100","replies":[]}}-->
Overall: Article looks good. Pending the AfD outcome to be approved. BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:01, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241006230100","author":"BeanieFan11","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-BeanieFan11-20241006230100-Labour_Party_of_Turkey","replies":["c-Soman-20241011091700-BeanieFan11-20241006230100"]}}-->
Source: Swordsman: Zheng Jiazhen (鄭家鎮) (2018). 香港漫畫春秋 [Hong Kong Comics: Spring and Autumn] (in Chinese). Sanlian Bookstore. ISBN978-962-04-4165-3. Translated: "When he was young, he studied swordsmanship with a monk from a temple in Sichuan, so he called himself Swordsman"; not to carry Americans: Jiang Peiyang (江沛扬) (6 May 2019). 广东——中国现代漫画的策源地 [Guangdong – The Origin of Modern Chinese Comics] (in Chinese). Guangdong Department of Arts and Culture. Archived from the original on 21 July 2020. Retrieved 21 July 2020. "1905 年，在反对美国对华工苛约的运动中，美国陆军部部长塔夫脱偕总统女儿到广州活动。何剑士闻讯，立即创作《龟抬美人图》张贴街头，轿夫见漫画，义愤填膺，拒绝给美国人抬轿，令美国佬狼狈不堪" ("In 1905, during a campaign against the harsh terms imposed by the United States on Chinese workers, U.S. Secretary of War Taft and the president's daughter went to Guangzhou for activities. Upon hearing the news, He Jianshi immediately created "A Beautiful Woman Carried by a Tortoise" and posted it on the streets. When the sedan bearers saw the cartoon, they were filled with righteous indignation and refused to carry the sedan for the Americans, which embarrassed the Yankees.")
ALT1: ... that a Chinese swordsman urged the people of Guangzhou not to carry William Howard Taft? Source: Swordsman: Zheng Jiazhen (鄭家鎮) (2018). 香港漫畫春秋 [Hong Kong Comics: Spring and Autumn] (in Chinese). Sanlian Bookstore. ISBN978-962-04-4165-3. Translated: "When he was young, he studied swordsmanship with a monk from a temple in Sichuan, so he called himself Swordsman"; not to carry Americans: Jiang Peiyang (江沛扬) (6 May 2019). 广东——中国现代漫画的策源地 [Guangdong – The Origin of Modern Chinese Comics] (in Chinese). Guangdong Department of Arts and Culture. Archived from the original on 21 July 2020. Retrieved 21 July 2020. "1905 年，在反对美国对华工苛约的运动中，美国陆军部部长塔夫脱偕总统女儿到广州活动。何剑士闻讯，立即创作《龟抬美人图》张贴街头，轿夫见漫画，义愤填膺，拒绝给美国人抬轿，令美国佬狼狈不堪" ("In 1905, during a campaign against the harsh terms imposed by the United States on Chinese workers, U.S. Secretary of War Taft and the president's daughter went to Guangzhou for activities. Upon hearing the news, He Jianshi immediately created "A Beautiful Woman Carried by a Tortoise" and posted it on the streets. When the sedan bearers saw the cartoon, they were filled with righteous indignation and refused to carry the sedan for the Americans, which embarrassed the Yankees.")
ALT2: ... that He Jianshi used the Chinese opera to advance an anti-Qing agenda? Source: Guo Shan (蔡登山) (28 August 2014). 潘达微与何剑士：寓褒贬于毫端诛奸邪于纸上 [Pan Dawei and He Jianshi: Putting Praise and Blame to Paper and Punishing Evil on Paper]. Nanfeng News (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 4 October 2024. Retrieved 4 October 2024 – via Sina.com. 精通音律的何剑士，于辛亥革命前夕创办“优界改良社”，用戏曲宣传革命。"He Jianshi, who was proficient in music, ... used opera to promote the revolution."
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Interesting life, on good sources, foreign and offline sources accepted AGF, no copyvio ovious. I like ALT2 bes, thinking that the others may a bit too cryptic, - funny, that swordsman, but more so after you know that it was his chosen art name. I wonder if the word "revolution" from the source would make a hook more interesting. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:12, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241008201200","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20241008201200-Crisco_1492-20241005152000","replies":["c-Crisco_1492-20241008212200-Gerda_Arendt-20241008201200"]}}-->
I think that could work. ALT2a: ... that He Jianshi used the Chinese opera to advance a revolution against the Qing dynasty? — Chris Woodrich (talk) 21:22, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241008212200","author":"Crisco 1492","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Crisco_1492-20241008212200-Gerda_Arendt-20241008201200","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-20241008215300-Crisco_1492-20241008212200"],"displayName":"Chris Woodrich"}}-->
yes, I like that even better. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:53, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241008215300","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20241008215300-Crisco_1492-20241008212200","replies":[]}}-->
Source: "Not only was she the first Ambassador to Ceaucescu's [sic] Romania or to any Communist country; she was also the first woman Ambassador to serve in that part of the world." —The Philippine Star
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The article is new enough, long enough, and adequately sourced. I did not find any close paraphrasing and a QPQ has been provided. I'm only approving the first hook as the second hook is less interesting and more complicated; it is a "first" hook, but the sourcing required for the claim isn't exceptional and so it should be acceptable in this case. My only sticking point is that the Embassy isn't reopening until next year, so I'm not sure if the hook should instead say "was", but I'll leave it to the promoter to decide. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:45, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241007114500","author":"Narutolovehinata5","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Narutolovehinata5-20241007114500-Sky_Harbor-20241006183900","replies":["c-Sky_Harbor-20241007115700-Narutolovehinata5-20241007114500"]}}-->
Thank you, Narutolovehinata5. The Embassy is reopening this year, not next year, so I would argue that the language is appropriate, but a revision to "was" would be fine too and, as far as I know, should fit in either instance. --Sky Harbor(talk)11:57, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241007115700","author":"Sky Harbor","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Sky_Harbor-20241007115700-Narutolovehinata5-20241007114500","replies":[]}}-->
... that Matthew Webb swam for nearly 22 hours to become the first person to cross the English Channel unaided?
Source: Seccombe, Thomas (1899). "Webb, Matthew" . In Lee, Sidney (ed.). Dictionary of National Biography. Vol. 60. London: Smith, Elder & Co. p. 105: "At the beginning of August 1875 public interest was greatly aroused by the announcement that Webb intended to attempt the feat of swimming across the English Channel without any artificial aid. The attempt made by J. B. Johnson to swim the straits in August 1872 had ended in a fiasco. On 28 May 1875 Captain Paul Boyton, the American life-saving expert, had, after one failure, successfully accomplished the feat of paddling across the Straits when clothed in his patent dress; but although the journey demonstrated the great value of the dress, the paddle in itself was mere child's play in comparison with the task which Webb set himself to accomplish. His first attempt on 12 Aug. was a failure, owing to the fact that he drifted upwards of nine miles out of his proper course in consequence of the strong current and the stress of weather. Twelve days later he dived from the Admiralty Pier, Dover, a few seconds before one o'clock in the afternoon (31/4 hours before high water on a 15 ft. 10 in. tide), and swimming through the night by a three-quarter moon reached Calais at 10.40 A.M. next morning (25 Aug.), having been immersed for nearly twenty-two hours, and having swum a distance of about forty miles without having touched a boat or artificial support of any kind."
ALT1: ... that Matthew Webb died attempting to swim down the Niagara Rapids? Source: Watson, Kathy (2001). The crossing: the glorious tragedy of the first man to swim the English channel. New York: G. P. Putnam's Sons. ISBN 1-58542-109-X: 223-224, 230 (link to fulltext in article sources)
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Improved to Good Article status by It is a wonderful world (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
It is a wonderful world (talk) 08:42, 5 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241005084200","author":"It is a wonderful world","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-It_is_a_wonderful_world-20241005084200-Matthew_Webb","replies":[]}}-->
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith
Interesting:
QPQ: None required.
Overall: @It is a wonderful world: No issues from a DYK stand, GA is new enough(despite what DYKCheck thinks?), interesting hook, certainly comprehensively cited, no need for a quid pro quo. Earwig caught a few similar clips but they're generic and small enough that I don't see any issue with copyvio. Marking as AGF since I don't have access to the text for the hook cite. Awesome work, approved from me. PixDeVlyell talk to me!22:11, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241006221100","author":"PixDeVl","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-PixDeVl-20241006221100-Matthew_Webb","replies":[]}}-->
ALT1: ... that little is known of Hermance Edan before she patented her first board game in 1908, at the age of 57? Source: French Patent office, Brevet n° 396.795
ALT2: ... that L'Attaque, the board game that became Stratego, was patented in 1908 by its designer, a 57-year-old woman? Source: French Patent office, Brevet n° 396.795 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Farrest (talk • contribs) 05:06, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241006050600","author":"Farrest","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Farrest-20241006050600-Hermance_Edan","replies":[]}}-->
Reviewed:
Comment: I translated this article from the French, so the references in the article may need some work, but Edan's age at the time of her patent seems well-attested. Thanks for your consideration!
Created by Farrest (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
Farrest (talk) 20:41, 5 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241005204100","author":"Farrest","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Farrest-20241005204100-Hermance_Edan","replies":["c-Personman-20241006042100-Farrest-20241005204100"]}}-->
Article is long, new, and presentable enough, and as well-cited as a figure this obscure can be. The hook cites a reliable source and is quite interesting, as "board game designer" was an extremely rare profession in 1908, and dramatically more so for a single 57-year-old woman. I might like it if the hook included both game names, though — perhaps "... that L'Attaque, the board game that became Stratego, was patented in 1908 by a 57-year-old woman?" Personman (talk) 04:21, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241006042100","author":"Personman","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Personman-20241006042100-Farrest-20241005204100","replies":["c-Farrest-20241006051000-Personman-20241006042100"]}}-->
I like this wording, and I've added it above as "Alt2". Thanks! Farrest (talk) 05:10, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241006051000","author":"Farrest","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Farrest-20241006051000-Personman-20241006042100","replies":["c-AirshipJungleman29-20241019003800-Farrest-20241006051000"]}}-->
Some citations are needed in the article Farrest. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 00:38, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241019003800","author":"AirshipJungleman29","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-AirshipJungleman29-20241019003800-Farrest-20241006051000","replies":[],"displayName":"~~ AirshipJungleman29"}}-->
... that the Royal New Zealand Navy dive and hydrographic vessel Manawanui(pictured) sank off Samoa in October 2024?
Source: "The HMNZS Manawanui, a specialist dive and hydrographic vessel worth $100m, sank this morning after it ran aground on a reef off the coast of the Samoan island of Upolu and caught fire last night." from: "He said losing one of the Navy's five crewed ships, the first to be lost in peacetime, was "significant"." from: "HMNZS Manawanui crew and passengers rescued after ship runs aground in Samoa". New Zealand Defence Force. Archived from the original on 6 October 2024. Retrieved 6 October 2024.
ALT1: ... that in October 2024 the Manawanui became the first Royal New Zealand Navy vessel to be lost in peacetime? Source: "He said losing one of the Navy's five crewed ships, the first to be lost in peacetime, was "significant"." from: "HMNZS Manawanui crew and passengers rescued after ship runs aground in Samoa". New Zealand Defence Force. Archived from the original on 6 October 2024. Retrieved 6 October 2024.
Comment: Currently nominated at ITN, but not gaining much traction. Will withdraw if it is posted there. Lots of edits over the past days, I have tried to pick out the most significant contributors so far but happy for more to be added.
Overall: All good here. An alternative hook could talk about the oil leakage and damage to the reef, but both extant hooks are sourced and viable. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 15:33, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241019153300","author":"AirshipJungleman29","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-AirshipJungleman29-20241019153300-HMNZS_Manawanui_(2019)","replies":[],"displayName":"~~ AirshipJungleman29"}}-->
... that the practise of some Christians to make the lesser sign of the cross has been traced back to the 11th 12th century? Source: "Then in the eleventh century, forehead, mouth and breast are mentioned: the so called little sign of the cross, which has become common practise since the twelfth century." Richter 1990
Created by WatkynBassett (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 27 past nominations.
WatkynBassett (talk) 06:10, 11 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241011061000","author":"WatkynBassett","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-WatkynBassett-20241011061000-Lesser_sign_of_the_cross","replies":["c-Slgrandson-20241014210100-WatkynBassett-20241011061000"]}}-->
Created on October 6, and nominated at DYK five days afterward (with mandatory QPQ given by seasoned nominator); 612 words in length prosewise at this writing (from 3643 bytes). A concern (per PMC's later commentary below) is that the GBooks preview differs from the article text, which says "traces the origin...to the 11th century" instead. Although Earwig returns a 59.7% score by way of StackExchange (thanks to the inclusion of this extract from the General Instruction of the Roman Missal), the text in question is blockquoted. I find the hook 90% interesting, though. This may be good to go unless another editor expresses concerns. --Slgrandson (How's myegg-throwing coleslaw?) 21:01, 14 October 2024 (UTC) 07:11, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241014210100","author":"Slgrandson","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Slgrandson-20241014210100-WatkynBassett-20241011061000","replies":["c-Premeditated_Chaos-20241015000500-Slgrandson-20241014210100"]}}-->
Coming here from the QPQ at Template:Did you know nominations/Hammond's Hard Lines. The hook here doesn't match the text - the hook says the practice "has been traced back to the 12th century", but the article text says that that academic "traces the origin...to the 11th century". ♠PMC♠ (talk)00:05, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241015000500","author":"Premeditated Chaos","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Premeditated_Chaos-20241015000500-Slgrandson-20241014210100","replies":["c-WatkynBassett-20241015200700-Premeditated_Chaos-20241015000500"],"displayName":"PMC"}}-->
@Slgrandson and Premeditated Chaos: Thank you for time and the kind review. PMC, you are of course correct, this was an error or typo on my part. It should read "11th century". I corrected it above. WatkynBassett (talk) 20:07, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241015200700","author":"WatkynBassett","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-WatkynBassett-20241015200700-Premeditated_Chaos-20241015000500","replies":[]}}-->
... that the Black Lesbian and Gay Centre supported a boycott of the magazine The Voice in solidarity with gay footballer Justin Fashanu? Source: "supported a boycott of ‘The Voice’ newspaper for condemning Justin Fashanu’s coming out as a disgrace to his family and the Black communities as a whole. ‘The Voice’ eventually agreed to give a full page right of reply to the Black lesbian and gay community" https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/lsehistory/2016/10/31/theblacklesbianandgaycentre/ [source is a blog, but its written by a curator at the London School of Economics, so I think it is a reliable source]
Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: - Just a little close paraphrasing to clean up: The centre found a permanent home in 1992 in a converted railway arch in Peckham is a little too similar to the source wording ...in 1992 the BLGC finally found a permanent home in a converted railway arch in Peckham, South London in my opinion.
Hook eligibility:
Cited: - Very minor wording issue with ALT0 - the source says they "supported" the boycott, the article says they "organised" it, and the hook says they "joined" it. I think all instances should reflect the wording in the source as these three can mean different things.
Interesting:
QPQ: Done.
Overall: A cite for the one cn tag would be good but I won't hold this up just for that. Earwig looks good apart from the close paraphrasing noted above (basically all of the other similarity is a direct quote, which is attributed and cited. QPQ is good as well. I'm cool with either hook, both interesting IMO and sourcing checks out apart from a small wording question. (Just a note, I have named the reference used for ALT1 so the reference itself isn't duplicated). After the two issues above are resolved we should be good for a tick! PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 15:37, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241009153700","author":"PCN02WPS","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-PCN02WPS-20241009153700-Black_Lesbian_and_Gay_Centre","replies":["c-Lajmmoore-20241009182700-PCN02WPS-20241009153700"]}}-->
Thanks very much for the review PCN02WPS - I've addressed the missing reference, the disparity in wording for ALT0 and the close paraphrasing. Lajmmoore (talk) 18:27, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241009182700","author":"Lajmmoore","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Lajmmoore-20241009182700-PCN02WPS-20241009153700","replies":["c-PCN02WPS-20241010010700-Lajmmoore-20241009182700"]}}-->
Sweet! Good to go. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 01:07, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241010010700","author":"PCN02WPS","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-PCN02WPS-20241010010700-Lajmmoore-20241009182700","replies":[]}}-->
... that a photograph of Chili Williams(pictured), known as the "Polka Dot Girl", was one of the two most famous pin-up pictures of World War II?
Source: The Baltimore Sun (here): "Undoubtedly the two most famous pin-up pictures of the war (the war) were ... and the one of Chili Williams in a two-piece polka dot bating suit")
Minneapolis Star Tribune (here): "A Minneapolis native who became 'the Polka Dot Girl' of World War II pinups ..."
Overall: Jonathan Deamer (talk) 08:20, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241012082000","author":"Jonathan Deamer","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jonathan_Deamer-20241012082000-Chili_Williams","replies":["c-JuniperChill-20241020124500-Jonathan_Deamer-20241012082000"]}}-->
I want to note that this article currently has two [citation needed] templates, which should be resolved before promotion. JuniperChill (talk) 12:45, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241020124500","author":"JuniperChill","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-JuniperChill-20241020124500-Jonathan_Deamer-20241012082000","replies":["c-Jonathan_Deamer-20241020125100-JuniperChill-20241020124500"]}}-->
Well spotted, sorry I missed these. Jonathan Deamer (talk) 12:51, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241020125100","author":"Jonathan Deamer","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Jonathan_Deamer-20241020125100-JuniperChill-20241020124500","replies":["c-Jonathan_Deamer-20241020130100-Jonathan_Deamer-20241020125100"]}}-->
Found sources and removed the citation needed tags. Jonathan Deamer (talk) 13:01, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241020130100","author":"Jonathan Deamer","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Jonathan_Deamer-20241020130100-Jonathan_Deamer-20241020125100","replies":["c-JuniperChill-20241020132100-Jonathan_Deamer-20241020130100"]}}-->
Good to go now JuniperChill (talk) 13:21, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241020132100","author":"JuniperChill","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-JuniperChill-20241020132100-Jonathan_Deamer-20241020130100","replies":[]}}-->
The article notes: "According to data monitoring company LnData, among 61 bubble tea brands in Taiwan, 50 Lan accounted for 24.3% of the invoices in the first three quarters of 2023, firmly holding the top position and being the most preferred brand across all age groups throughout the year."
ALT1: ... that 50 Lan occupied the number one spot in Taiwan's bubble tea market in the first nine months of 2023? Source: Same source as ALT0.
ALT2: ... that 50 Lan occupied the number one spot in Taiwan's bubble tea market for most of 2023? Source: Same source as ALT0.
The article notes: "Ching Shin, which has more than 1,000 outlets and is currently Taiwan’s largest tea chain by market share, is highly regarded for its “pure” tea beverages. Its “oolong green tea” is its most popular drink. Taiwan’s second-largest chain, 50 Lan, is better known for its milk teas."
Overall: Really interesting article. My wife is nuts about Wushiland; now I know what the name means! QPQ done; Earwig detects no problems. Any of the four ALTs is fine with me. Again, this was interesting to read. Thank you for creating this article. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 01:56, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241011015600","author":"CurryTime7-24","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-CurryTime7-24-20241011015600-50_Lan","replies":["c-Cunard-20241011113700-CurryTime7-24-20241011015600"]}}-->
CurryTime7-24 (talk·contribs), that's amazing! Thank you for sharing that and for the review! Cunard (talk) 11:37, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241011113700","author":"Cunard","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Cunard-20241011113700-CurryTime7-24-20241011015600","replies":[]}}-->
Overall: Good to go. Skyshiftertalk01:36, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241011013600","author":"Skyshifter","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Skyshifter-20241011013600-Get_the_Hell_Out","replies":[]}}-->
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^沈洛嘉 (29 February 2020). "【逃出立法院】政府高官議員全部變喪屍 賴雅妍攞正牌大開殺界". HK01 (in Chinese). Retrieved 6 October 2024. 據知電影拍攝時，剛好炎夏，在取景的廢棄議場中又熱又焗... 不過賴雅妍透露最辛苦的其實是現場無水、電、冷氣等，就連去廁所都要走出拍攝現場 [During the shoot, it happened to be an intense summer, and the abandoned city council hall was very hot and stuffy... Megan Lai revealed that the toughest part was actually the lack of water, electricity, and air conditioning on set, even going to the bathroom required leaving the filming area]
^Chien, Ying-jou (23 March 2020). "《逃出立法院》編導簡士耕王逸帆雙劍合璧拍出台片新ㄎ一ㄤ度". Yahoo! News (in Chinese). Retrieved 6 October 2024. 2020 年第一部，也是史上第二部台灣活屍片《逃出立法院》，電影在 2019 年夏天進行拍攝的時候，劇組幕前幕後成員無一不覺得這劇本很瘋狂 [The first zombie film of 2020, and the second in Taiwan's history, Get the Hell Out was filmed in the summer of 2019, during which every member of the cast and crew found the script to be quite crazy.]
... that Sequenza XIV for solo cello by Luciano Berio, in 2002 the last work in a series begun in 1958, was inspired by the artistry of Rohan de Saram including traditional Kandyan drumming? Source: [24]
Reviewed: to come
Comment: This is one of the key works of 21st-century classical music.
Created by Gerda Arendt (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 2118 past nominations.
Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:59, 8 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241008095900","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20241008095900-Sequenza_XIV","replies":[]}}-->
QPQ: - ? Overall: Hi Gerda Arendt, happy to do the DYK review. The article has a readable prose size of 4310 characters. It was created yesterday. Every paragraph in the body of the article is sourced. WP:EARWIG shows no copyright problems. QPQ has not yet been done. I have a minor quibble about the hook: it seems to me that it tries to convey too many individual facts. What about something simpler like
ALT1: ...that Sequenza XIV was composed in 2002 as Luciano Berio's final work in his series begun in 1958?
or
ALT2: ...that Sequenza XIV, composed for Rohan de Saram in 2002, is Luciano Berio's final work in his series begun in 1958? Phlsph7 (talk) 16:43, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241008164300","author":"Phlsph7","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Phlsph7-20241008164300-Sequenza_XIV","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-20241008195100-Phlsph7-20241008164300"]}}-->
Thank you for reviewing, and the suggestions. I reviewed Template:Did you know nominations/Mind. I believe that the one thing fascinating "Maestro Berio" (as he is called by the cellist) as well as the ordinary Main page reader is this drumming. We can rather do without the series if it's really too much. I can also imagine to improve the series article to make it a double hook. ALT1 is no option for me because some kind of reverence for the cellist (and drummer) was the motivation to write the article. Making him GA seemed harder ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:51, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241008195100","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20241008195100-Phlsph7-20241008164300","replies":["c-Phlsph7-20241009075700-Gerda_Arendt-20241008195100"]}}-->
Ah I see. If we want to go without the series, we could use something like
But I think your original suggestion also meets the DYK requirements so the decision may be more a matter of taste. Approved. Phlsph7(talk) 07:57, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241009075700","author":"Phlsph7","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Phlsph7-20241009075700-Gerda_Arendt-20241008195100","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-20241009080600-Phlsph7-20241009075700"]}}-->
Thank you. I think that ALT3 is a bit smallish, - the childhood drumming is just part of the inspiration, the playing of one of the most inspiring cellists of all times should not be left out completely ;) - I learned of his death from a friend who is a cellist, and felt his enthusiasm remembering a live concert of Xenakis. Berio knew why he added to a series that had already been considered complete ("complete" recording in 1995), - it's an outstanding piece in every respect and deserves a little longer hook, imho. We can't use any of the pics, sadly, because de Saram's is not free, and Berio's is way too young for one of his last works. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:06, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241009080600","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20241009080600-Phlsph7-20241009075700","replies":["c-Phlsph7-20241009103100-Gerda_Arendt-20241009080600"]}}-->
One last alternative if we want to go for the full package: what do you think about the following, a version of ALT0 copy-edited only for better flow:
ALT0a: ... that Sequenza XIV for solo cello by Luciano Berio, completed in 2002 as the last work in a series begun in 1958, was inspired by Rohan de Saram's artistry, including traditional Kandyan drumming?
Phlsph7 (talk) 10:31, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241009103100","author":"Phlsph7","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Phlsph7-20241009103100-Gerda_Arendt-20241009080600","replies":[]}}-->
Overall: Well done! Personally, I'd prefer ALT2 or ALT3 for the hook, but they are all great choices. Henni147 (talk) 07:09, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241009070900","author":"Henni147","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Henni147-20241009070900-Lyons_Pool_Recreation_Center","replies":[]}}-->
... that despite the classical music education her wealthy family had her study, Celie Ellis Turner chose to join comic opera and farce theatre over her parents' objections?
Source: * "Miss Ellis is a graduate of the Villa Maria Convent of Montreal, Canada, and received her musical education under Mme. Kartel, taking a post graduate course at the Metropolitan College of Music in New York." - Celie Ellis, The Sentinel
"She comes from one of the best families in New York, her father having been a Congressman from that State and her mother a near relative of ex-Gov. Seymour. Her family objected strongly to her going on the stage..." - At The Gardens, St. Louis Post-Dispatch
"Miss Celie Ellis, who has been prominent in comic opera and farce comedy for a number of years..." - Dramatic, Minneapolis Daily Times
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Will review this. BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:36, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241008223600","author":"BeanieFan11","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-BeanieFan11-20241008223600-Silver_seren-20241008193800","replies":[]}}-->
... that one obstacle in studying the mind is the complexity of the human brain, which has about 86 billion neurons, each with up to 10,000 links to other neurons?
Friedenberg, Jay; Silverman, Gordon; Spivey, Michael (2022). Cognitive Science: An Introduction to the Study of Mind (4 ed.). Sage Publications. ISBN978-1-5443-8015-5.
Yukalov, V. I.; Sornette, D. (2014). "How Brains Make Decisions". In Freund, Friedemann; Langhoff, Stephanie (eds.). Universe of Scales: From Nanotechnology to Cosmology: Symposium in Honor of Minoru M. Freund. Springer. ISBN978-3-319-02207-9. Archived from the original on 2024-04-23. Retrieved 2024-04-23.
Improved to Good Article status by Phlsph7 (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 23 past nominations.
Phlsph7 (talk) 15:52, 8 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241008155200","author":"Phlsph7","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Phlsph7-20241008155200-Mind","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-20241008194400-Phlsph7-20241008155200"]}}-->
Fascinating article, Good article, on fine sources, offline sources accepted AGF, no copyvio obvious. I approve the hook, but I am open for alternatives. I think this is more about brain than mind, and has too many numbers for my taste. How about speaking about the four approaches to study the mind - positively? Or something related to an image? - Looking forward to FAC. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:44, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241008194400","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20241008194400-Phlsph7-20241008155200","replies":["c-Phlsph7-20241009081900-Gerda_Arendt-20241008194400"]}}-->
@Gerda Arendt: Thanks for the review! Some more suggestions:
ALT3: ...that disorders of the mind can result from factors like genetic predispositions, maladaptive beliefs, and social circumstances?
ALT1 & ALT2 are about fields of inquiry, ALT3 is about mental disorders. Any preferences? Phlsph7 (talk) 08:19, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241009081900","author":"Phlsph7","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Phlsph7-20241009081900-Gerda_Arendt-20241008194400","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-20241009091500-Phlsph7-20241009081900"]}}-->
I like ALT2 best, with the bold article in front. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:15, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241009091500","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20241009091500-Phlsph7-20241009081900","replies":["c-Phlsph7-20241009102100-Gerda_Arendt-20241009091500"]}}-->
Sounds good to me. Phlsph7 (talk) 10:21, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241009102100","author":"Phlsph7","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Phlsph7-20241009102100-Gerda_Arendt-20241009091500","replies":[]}}-->
Would ALT4 be better? I also thought something along the lines of the mind being in pursuit of understanding itself but not sure if that would be supported by the sources. I also think this image would work well.Polyamorph (talk) 07:25, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241014072500","author":"Polyamorph","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Polyamorph-20241014072500-Mind","replies":["c-Phlsph7-20241014081300-Polyamorph-20241014072500"]}}-->
Hello Polyamorph and thanks for your suggestions. I think ALT4 would also work as an alternative to ALT2. We would probably have to remove the word "scientific" since it is not clear whether philosophy qualifies as a science:
I slightly prefer ALT2 since it uses active voice and is a little shorter, but I would also be fine with ALT4a.
I agree about the image. If there is a free image slot in the queue, it could be used. Phlsph7 (talk) 08:13, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241014081300","author":"Phlsph7","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Phlsph7-20241014081300-Polyamorph-20241014072500","replies":["c-Polyamorph-20241014081600-Phlsph7-20241014081300"]}}-->
OK, no worries, ALT2 is fine. I think this deserves to have the top slot! Polyamorph (talk) 08:16, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241014081600","author":"Polyamorph","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Polyamorph-20241014081600-Phlsph7-20241014081300","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-20241014102500-Polyamorph-20241014081600"]}}-->
I also believe that ALT2 is fine. The image is licensed. However, I personally feel that it tries to illustrate the capacities of the mind and fails - at least for me, can't see "though" and "action" at a glance. But that may be just me. If you want to use that image, you will need some form of saying (pictured) in ALT2a to come. Good luck with that, I'll watch. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:25, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241014102500","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20241014102500-Polyamorph-20241014081600","replies":["c-Phlsph7-20241014113900-Gerda_Arendt-20241014102500"]}}-->
You are right that it's difficult to illustrate an abstract concept such as the mind. Using a light bulb as a symbol of thought or a hammer in hand as a symbol of action is not that uncommon but how easily people understand these symbols may depend on their cultural background. The image is not essential to the hook so if there are doubts, we could also go without it. Phlsph7 (talk) 11:39, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241014113900","author":"Phlsph7","type":"comment","level":10,"id":"c-Phlsph7-20241014113900-Gerda_Arendt-20241014102500","replies":[]}}-->
... that The Lock-Up, an art gallery housed in a former police station, retains the original graffiti from prisoners in the holding cells, and has incorporated the graffiti into a performative exhibition?
ALT1... that The Lock-Up, an art gallery housed in a former police station, uses the originally preserved cells and exercise yard for prisoners as spaces to display art?
Overall: Looks good. Prefer ALT1. I might make it something like, that The Lock-Up is an art gallery housed in a former police station which uses the original cells as exhibition spaces?? Andre🚐05:34, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241008053400","author":"Andrevan","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Andrevan-20241008053400-The_Lock-Up_(art_gallery)","replies":[],"displayName":"Andre"}}-->
Created by SkywalkerEccleston (talk).
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Will review this. BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:45, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241007224500","author":"BeanieFan11","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-BeanieFan11-20241007224500-SkywalkerEccleston-20241007021300","replies":[]}}-->
Overall: Interesting subject. Article looks good. No QPQ required. Appears good to go! BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:57, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241007225700","author":"BeanieFan11","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-BeanieFan11-20241007225700-James_Davis_(escaped_convict)","replies":[]}}-->
Source: [28]Zhou Guanyu will become Formula One’s first Chinese driver after he was signed by Alfa Romeo for the 2022 season. and the race classification [29].
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Improved to Good Article status by Giraffer (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
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Comment: Sources in article - a compendium of match reports. Can come up with other hooks.
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The article is well-sourced, long enough, new enough. There are a few grammatical mistakes, but they can be easily corrected. It's a good hook in principle, but needs to be rephrased. Maybe something like: she started as both a goalkeeper and right-back in the 1972 season? Cardofk (talk) 08:10, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241010081000","author":"Cardofk","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Cardofk-20241010081000-Kingsif-20241008042700","replies":["c-Kingsif-20241010214400-Cardofk-20241010081000"]}}-->
The hook doesn't need to be rephrased, it makes perfect sense. Unlike the proposal, which as written could be misunderstood to suggest she did both at the same time. Kingsif (talk) 21:44, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241010214400","author":"Kingsif","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Kingsif-20241010214400-Cardofk-20241010081000","replies":["c-Cardofk-20241011072900-Kingsif-20241010214400","c-Kingsif-20241011212200-Kingsif-20241010214400","c-Cardofk-20241011212900-Kingsif-20241010214400"]}}-->
That's funny, because that is what I thought when I read the hook, that she played both at the same time. Cardofk (talk) 07:29, 11 October 2024 (UTC) Please understand that as the audience, all I have are the words on the screen and not the information behind them. While it may appear to make perfect sense to the author, to the audience small meanings matter. All I wanted to do was help and I did say "something like". Cardofk (talk) 09:58, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241011072900","author":"Cardofk","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Cardofk-20241011072900-Kingsif-20241010214400","replies":[]}}-->
Perhaps it's a terminology issue, then, as "starting goalkeeper" means first-choice goalkeeper, but without effectively insulting the other options. If you think first-choice will be better understood by a wider audience, we should go with that. And maybe there's other word issues, because several of your in-article substitutions (word choices aren't grammar, BTW) are using words that are not synonyms and are thereby obfuscating meaning, please stop. Kingsif (talk) 21:22, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241011212200","author":"Kingsif","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Kingsif-20241011212200-Kingsif-20241010214400","replies":[]}}-->
Never mind, I've read/translated the source material, it doesn't explain why she played there. With such a brief match report, you've done your best to get a hook out of it. Cardofk (talk) 21:29, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241011212900","author":"Cardofk","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Cardofk-20241011212900-Kingsif-20241010214400","replies":["c-Kingsif-20241011214000-Cardofk-20241011212900"]}}-->
@Cardofk: Absolutely don't worry, trying to get stuck in yourself ;) Being pretty familiar with the players and team, I can say that Llansà had previously (as the article mentions) played in defense at least once, and that teams at the time weren't robust enough that they always had enough players. This is when position shenanigans usually happened. Llansà was the best goalkeeper they had, but if the team didn't have enough defenders and she was so much a better defender than the second choice goalkeeper, balancing the squad is probably the reason. More recent sources are more in-depth, but maybe too fluffy for me personally to want to use for a hook. Kingsif (talk) 21:40, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241011214000","author":"Kingsif","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Kingsif-20241011214000-Cardofk-20241011212900","replies":[]}}-->
Created by Yakikaki (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 141 past nominations.
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Hi Yakikaki, review follows: article created on 8 October and exceeds minimum length; sources are cited inline throughout; sources look to be reliable; I didn't pick up any overly close paraphrasing from the English-language sources; hook fact is interesting, stated in the article and checks out to source cited and elsewhere (and the image of the book itself!); image is good and well out of copyright. Just awaiting a QPQ, I think - Dumelow (talk) 06:57, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241009065700","author":"Dumelow","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Dumelow-20241009065700-Yakikaki-20241008214200","replies":["c-Dumelow-20241009130100-Dumelow-20241009065700"]}}-->
All good - Dumelow (talk) 13:01, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241009130100","author":"Dumelow","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Dumelow-20241009130100-Dumelow-20241009065700","replies":[]}}-->
... that British Royal Air Force officer and First World War veteran Vivian Stranders(pictured) became a spy for the Weimar Republic and served as an officer in the Nazi SS?
Source: "STRANDERS was a former Royal Flying Corps officer ... At some point he was recruited by German Intelligence and in 1926 was discovered by SIS trying to persuade a Belgian national to provide him with both French and British military information intended for his German controllers. ... He joined the Waffen SS with the rank of Major" from: "Vivian Stranders". National Archives. 1 January 1926. Retrieved 2 October 2024.; the RFC became the RAF in 1918 and he continued to serve until 1921, see London Gazette refs in article.
ALT1: ... that evidence that former British Royal Air Force officer Vivian Stranders(pictured) was spying for Germany was found when he was investigated for bigamy in 1926? Source: "on 31 July 1926, Sir Vernon Kell brought some papers from MI5 to Norman Kendal, the Deputy Assistant Chief Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police, relating to one Vivian Stranders who was alleged to have committed bigamy ... on 31 July 1926, Sir Vernon Kell brought some papers from MI5 to Norman Kendal, the Deputy Assistant Chief Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police, relating to one Vivian Stranders who was alleged to have committed bigamy ... On 6 December, Special Branch were informed by M15 that Stranders, now resident in Germany, had been engaged on espionage on behalf of that country; that the matter had been placed by MI5 before the Director of Public Prosecutions; and that, on the facts given by MI5, the arrest of Stranders, on his next arrival in Britain, would be justified." from: Hennessey, Thomas; Thomas, Claire (15 July 2010). Spooks the Unofficial History of MI5 From M to Miss X 1909-39. Amberley Publishing Limited. pp. 274–276. ISBN978-1-4456-0799-3.
ALT2: ... that the British-born Jew Vivian Stranders(pictured) served as an officer in the Nazi SS? Source: "13 June, a meeting was convened to discuss these recruitment difficulties. One of the attendees was SS-Major Vivian Stranders, an Englishman who had served in the British Army in the First World War before becoming a naturalised German in 1933 ... Astonishingly enough, this long-standing British member of the NSDAP and SS was also Jewish a fact known to at least some of his colleagues" from: Weale, Adrian (26 August 2010). The SS: A New History. Little, Brown Book Group. p. 244. ISBN978-0-7481-2551-7.
Overall: All three hooks eye-catching—ALT2 seems the most snappy. The QPQ submission is unresolved, awaiting drafter's response to queries. AntientNestor (talk) 12:43, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241020124300","author":"AntientNestor","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-AntientNestor-20241020124300-Vivian_Stranders","replies":[]}}-->
Nundua, seated, veiqia tattoos visible at her hips
... that when young Fijian women reached puberty, their hips were tattooed with veiqia(pictured)? Source: "In nineteenth-century Fiji, when a girl reached puberty, she was tattooed in a secluded enclosure by a daubati (female specialist)." https://www.jstor.org/stable/j.ctv18kc0px.19 & for hips, see " following account of tatuing (veinggia) is brief and incomplete partly because it is a custom restricted to the female sex and then confined to that portion of the body surrounding the pudendurn muliebre and adjacent areas which are covered by the short fringe skirt (liku)" https://www.jstor.org/stable/2790097
Comment: QPQ is forthcoming, but didn't want to forget to nominate this article QPQ done
Improved to Good Article status by Lajmmoore (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 107 past nominations.
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Recent GA. Article is well-referenced throughout with no copyvio detected. Hook is interesting and referenced. Image confirmed to be PD. Good to go with the QPQ done. Juxlos (talk) 06:54, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241016065400","author":"Juxlos","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Juxlos-20241016065400-Lajmmoore-20241013205500","replies":[]}}-->
Comment: I'm not sure I've ever done a DYK before but regardless, this is the first one I'll remember doing.
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Length, image status, hook citation, age all OK. First hook better, but is "at the time" redundant? Oldelpaso (talk) 22:19, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241014221900","author":"Oldelpaso","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Oldelpaso-20241014221900-Tavantius-20241010052000","replies":["c-Tavantius-20241016132300-Oldelpaso-20241014221900"]}}-->
Probably. I've removed it. Tavantius (talk) 13:23, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241016132300","author":"Tavantius","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Tavantius-20241016132300-Oldelpaso-20241014221900","replies":[]}}-->
Overall: A highly interesting hook about a film that looks quite intriguing! Many elements covered by the GAN. The hook technically isn't cited in the article due to WP:PLOTCITE; WP:IAR I'm fine with it. Earwig erroneously thinks there's a copyvio due to the number of works listed, but everything is clean. Sdkbtalk04:22, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241014042200","author":"Sdkb","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Sdkb-20241014042200-Manifesto_(2015_film)","replies":[]}}-->
Comment: You can see on youtube how parts from Mozart's Requiem were performed for him at his cathedral today (beginning c. 6 min into it).
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Date, length, hook, QPQ, close paraphrase check checks out. Image free on Commons (albeit not great quality). --Soman (talk) 13:44, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241013134400","author":"Soman","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Soman-20241013134400-Gerda_Arendt-20241012140600","replies":["c-AirshipJungleman29-20241015085800-Soman-20241013134400"]}}-->
@Soman and Gerda Arendt: a couple of things. Firstly, on English terminology: notwithstanding the direct translation of "Feldkapelle", a "chapel" in English is usually a room in a larger building. I would instead call this a "shrine" or similar.Secondly, on WP:DYKINT: perhaps we could trim the bits about his various jobs and focus on the chapel? To me, it is interesting that it is now a hiking destination, or that a ceremony has been held on the same feast day since 1984, the day of its consecration. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 08:58, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241015085800","author":"AirshipJungleman29","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-AirshipJungleman29-20241015085800-Soman-20241013134400","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-20241015092100-AirshipJungleman29-20241015085800"],"displayName":"~~ AirshipJungleman29"}}-->
learning English: this is the first time I hear that chapel has a different meaning from Kapelle. We could do nothing, relying on "usually". We could use the original Feldkapelle, which would clarify better that it is in nature (which the image shows - open to the front) but not clearly. "Shrine" tells me that there are some relics, such as those of Hildegard of Bingen in the village church of Eibingen (not the abbey). Wrong? - As for shortening: yes we could stop right after Gotteslob which speaks of responsibility for the common German-language hymnal (for German-language countries that is), far beyond the Würzburg diocese, and far far beyond some little open space in the fields. I only picked it because of the image, and because he loved Mary as well as church music. Yes, there was one piece to Mary sung in the Requiem, but the heavy weight was on Mozart's Requiem. - Just today I remember a 10-years-old hook about Mela Tenenbaum, and am happy that it says something about geography in her life and dedication of music to her, and not just that she played a piece with an unusual instrumentation, or just that she played on Queen Elizabeth 2. Happy also to have mentioned Ukraine in 2014. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:21, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241015092100","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20241015092100-AirshipJungleman29-20241015085800","replies":["c-AirshipJungleman29-20241016121100-Gerda_Arendt-20241015092100"]}}-->
Yes, perhaps using the original Feldkapelle would be best. The image is also rather low-quality and probably shouldn't be used. With that in mind, I'm rather struck by his work on confirmations—including the 500 in Tanzania. If he considered that work his prime duty, he'd probably prefer a hook on it—and you get something about geography in his life too. What do you think? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 12:11, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241016121100","author":"AirshipJungleman29","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-AirshipJungleman29-20241016121100-Gerda_Arendt-20241015092100","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-20241016131900-AirshipJungleman29-20241016121100"],"displayName":"~~ AirshipJungleman29"}}-->
ALT1: ... that Helmut Bauer, responsible for church music in Würzburg and president of the commission for the Gotteslob hymnal, confirmed around 150,000 young people, including 500 in Tanzania? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:19, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241016131900","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20241016131900-AirshipJungleman29-20241016121100","replies":["c-Soman-20241019095500-Gerda_Arendt-20241016131900"]}}-->
Ok for ALT1. I'm still also ok with the original hook, a kapelle is a chapel and a feldkapelle is a field chapel. See for example "feldkapelle, or field chapel, a Northern European tradition of building small chapels in rural and agrarian landscapes." ([32]) --Soman (talk) 09:55, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241019095500","author":"Soman","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-Soman-20241019095500-Gerda_Arendt-20241016131900","replies":[]}}-->
Improved to Good Article status by Queen of Hearts (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 11 past nominations.
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Page has been nominated to GA recently enough. The page is good and the hook is interesting. The source says that he "participated in covert investigations into criminal and administrative allegations involving members of the New Orleans Police Department", so it doesn't explicitly say that he "posed as a corrupt officer", so a better/more explicit source is probably needed. A QPQ is also still needed. Feel free to ping me when these issues are addressed! Di (they-them) (talk) 02:14, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241010021400","author":"Di (they-them)","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Di_(they-them)-20241010021400-Queen_of_Hearts-20241009230900","replies":["c-Narutolovehinata5-20241010025700-Di_(they-them)-20241010021400","c-Queen_of_Hearts-20241010170900-Di_(they-them)-20241010021400"]}}-->
@Queen of Hearts: Please provide a QPQ as the nomination is liable to be closed without further warning if one isn't provided during or immediately after the nomination. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:57, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241010025700","author":"Narutolovehinata5","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Narutolovehinata5-20241010025700-Di_(they-them)-20241010021400","replies":[]}}-->
Source checks out and QPQ has been done. Good to go! Di (they-them) (talk) 22:20, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241010222000","author":"Di (they-them)","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Di_(they-them)-20241010222000-Queen_of_Hearts-20241010211400","replies":[]}}-->
... that Michael F. Adams(pictured) was the first president of Centre College who was not Presbyterian? Source: Weston, Centre College: A Bicentennial History (2019), p.119
Overall: Earwig comes up high, but everything seems to be long names of organizations Valereee (talk) 20:03, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241010200300","author":"Valereee","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Valereee-20241010200300-Michael_F._Adams","replies":["c-Valereee-20241010201000-Valereee-20241010200300","c-Valereee-20241010202600-Valereee-20241010200300"]}}-->
Personally I find ALT1 the most interesting, ALT0 as second choice. Not wild about all the affiliated sources for the hooks, can we find somethng from places he didn't work? Valereee (talk) 20:10, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241010201000","author":"Valereee","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Valereee-20241010201000-Valereee-20241010200300","replies":[]}}-->
I don't love the photo. It's a crop from another, and it's just awkward. I tried to recrop, but it's not high enough res and doesn't have enough room to come up with a better version. Valereee (talk) 20:26, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241010202600","author":"Valereee","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Valereee-20241010202600-Valereee-20241010200300","replies":["c-PCN02WPS-20241010214400-Valereee-20241010202600"]}}-->
Source: "The exiled Emperor himself died in 1873 and was buried on 15 January 1873 in St Mary’s ... she transferred the Emperor’s sarcophagus and the Prince’s coffin in 1888," from Taking Stock, by Historic England.
Created by Cardofk (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 7 past nominations.
Cardofk (talk) 08:03, 10 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241010080300","author":"Cardofk","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Cardofk-20241010080300-St_Mary's_Church,_Chislehurst","replies":["c-Dumelow-20241010115200-Cardofk-20241010080300"]}}-->
Hi Cardofk, review follows: article created 9 October and exceeds minimum length; article is well written and cited inline throughout to reliable sources for the subject; I didn't pick up anything I considered overly close to the main source in a check for close paraphrasing; hook fact is interesting, mentioned in the article and checks out to source cited; a QPQ has been started. Looks fine to me - Dumelow (talk) 11:52, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241010115200","author":"Dumelow","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Dumelow-20241010115200-Cardofk-20241010080300","replies":[]}}-->
Improved to Good Article status by MaranoFan (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 77 past nominations.
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Source: "Greene, after spending years trying to distance herself from her infamous 2018 remarks on social media blaming wildfires on 'Jewish Space Lasers,' is now using this climate emergency to double down on weather conspiracies and lasers."Owen (2024)
ALT2: ... that following hurricanes Helene and Milton, some falsely believe the U.S. government created the hurricanes? Source: "The posts would be laughable if they weren't taken by many people as gospel. Among them: Infowars' Alex Jones, who claimed that Hurricanes Milton and Helene were 'weather weapons' unleashed on the East Coast by the U.S. government"Warzel (2024)
Reviewed: [[]]
Moved to mainspace by Dan Leonard (talk), with significant contributions by Belbury (talk), Cowlan (talk), and BootsED (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
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Everything here is fine. There aren't any problems and to be honest, this should be nominated for being a good article instead of being nominated for DYK. It's new, interesting, and long enough in my opinion, so I'll approve it to be a DYK. Tavantius (talk) 18:16, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241018181600","author":"Tavantius","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Tavantius-20241018181600-Dan_Leonard-20241013061000","replies":[]}}-->
Moved to mainspace by PCN02WPS (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 80 past nominations.
PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 19:23, 10 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241010192300","author":"PCN02WPS","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-PCN02WPS-20241010192300-Samuel_Lander","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-20241012142000-PCN02WPS-20241010192300"]}}-->
Interesting life and work, on fine sources, offline source accepted AGF, no copyio obvious. Sorry I find both hooks not what would interest me about his life, and the second lacks any bold link to his name. The image is licensed and gives a good idea of not only him but his era. How about that he wasn't just some minister with many children, but founder and president of that early place for women's higher education? We women readers would prefer that ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:20, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241012142000","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20241012142000-PCN02WPS-20241010192300","replies":["c-PCN02WPS-20241013161700-Gerda_Arendt-20241012142000"]}}-->
@Gerda Arendt: thanks for the review. I have added ALT2 and ALT3 per your suggestions. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 16:17, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241013161700","author":"PCN02WPS","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-PCN02WPS-20241013161700-Gerda_Arendt-20241012142000","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-20241013162500-PCN02WPS-20241013161700"]}}-->
Thank you, I like those better ;) I could also imagine to combine to one:
ALT2a: ... that Samuel Lander(pictured) founded in an abandoned hotel the Williamston Female College which grew into Lander University? - Good luck with the GAN! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:25, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241013162500","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20241013162500-PCN02WPS-20241013161700","replies":[]}}-->
Source: "A review of security is under way at the headquarters of the Northern Ireland Prison Service after a protest by supporters of republican prisoners. Up to 30 protesters forced their way past the reception area at Dundonald House in Stormont on Wednesday and made their way to an office on the sixth floor, according to the Prison Service." from: "Security review after break-in". BBC. 3 July 2003. Retrieved 10 October 2024.
5x expanded by Dumelow (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 889 past nominations.
Dumelow (talk) 14:14, 10 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241010141400","author":"Dumelow","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dumelow-20241010141400-Dundonald_House","replies":["c-Soman-20241013134200-Dumelow-20241010141400"]}}-->
Date, hook ok. QPQ done. Close paraphrase not found. Photo free on Commons. The expansion is x5 (barely). I removed a stub tag. --Soman (talk) 13:42, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241013134200","author":"Soman","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Soman-20241013134200-Dumelow-20241010141400","replies":[]}}-->
ALT3: ... that the De Vinne Press Building was once described as being built in an "aqueduct style"? Source: "The Legitimate Design of the Architectural Casing for Steel Skeleton Structures". The American Architect and Building News. Vol. 66, no. 1249. December 2, 1899. p. 78.
5x expanded by Epicgenius (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 680 past nominations.
Epicgenius (talk) 22:10, 10 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241010221000","author":"Epicgenius","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Epicgenius-20241010221000-De_Vinne_Press_Building","replies":["c-Morgan695-20241012015700-Epicgenius-20241010221000"]}}-->
Article was 5x expanded in the last 7 days (2475b to 21kb). Article is well-sourced, neutral, and copyvio-free; only pings on Earwigs are for some long proper titles and properly attributed quotes. QPQ has been completed. Image is properly licensed and reproduces well at thumbnail size. Hooks are cited, interesting, and short enough for DYK; AGF on the offline source in ALT3. I personally think ALT0 is the most interesting. Morgan695 (talk) 01:57, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241012015700","author":"Morgan695","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Morgan695-20241012015700-Epicgenius-20241010221000","replies":[]}}-->
... that, of the paintings sold by Beijing Hanhai, one was stolen by an emperor and another was hidden in a well?
Source: Stolen by an Emperor: Zhu, Ying (19 November 2019). "Ancient Artwork's Happy Ending". Shanghai Daily. Archived from the original on 11 October 2024. Retrieved 11 October 2024.
Created by Crisco 1492 (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 686 past nominations.
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Article created 11 October. No issues of copyvio or plagiarism. All sources appear reliable. Hook is interesting and sourced. QPQ is done. Looks ready to go. Thriley (talk) 19:27, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241018192700","author":"Thriley","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Thriley-20241018192700-Crisco_1492-20241011010500","replies":[]}}-->
Hollywood Boulevard Commercial and Entertainment District
I've adjusted the article and I believe it now meets all requirements. Do I resubmit or will this submission continue forward? Gb321 (talk) 17:45, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241015174500","author":"Gb321","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Gb321-20241015174500-Bogger-20241015081100","replies":["c-Bogger-20241015192700-Gb321-20241015174500"]}}-->
Comments have been addressed ALT0 approved. -Bogger (talk) 19:27, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241015192700","author":"Bogger","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Bogger-20241015192700-Gb321-20241015174500","replies":[]}}-->
Created by Ktin (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 108 past nominations.
Ktin (talk) 04:11, 12 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241012041100","author":"Ktin","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ktin-20241012041100-Patricia_Taylor","replies":["c-Elli-20241015031800-Ktin-20241012041100"]}}-->
I've slightly rephrased the hook ("Iran hostage crisis" is significant enough, there's no need to disambiguate). Article is new enough, well-referenced, and has no copyright violations (a few passages look iffy on Earwig, but this is mainly due to long titles or otherwise having a very limited number of ways of expressing something). Hook is also properly sourced. Elli (talk | contribs) 03:18, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241015031800","author":"Elli","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Elli-20241015031800-Ktin-20241012041100","replies":[]}}-->
Other problems: - ALT0 should be in past tense, suggest ... that Sammy Basso was the oldest known person with progeria? ALT1 is not supported by the article text.
QPQ: None required.
Overall: Nominator needs to address the hook tense, and the similarity to the good reads source. Polyamorph (talk) 13:34, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241013133400","author":"Polyamorph","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Polyamorph-20241013133400-Sammy_Basso","replies":["c-Sebbog13-20241014163500-Polyamorph-20241013133400","c-Sebbog13-20241014165200-Polyamorph-20241013133400"]}}-->
@Polyamorph: ALT1 is supported "He dedicated his life to studying and raising awareness about progeria", not sure what to do about the ALT0 issue, I guess just use "... that Sammy Basso was the oldest known person with progeria?" - Sebbog13 (talk) 16:35, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241014163500","author":"Sebbog13","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Sebbog13-20241014163500-Polyamorph-20241013133400","replies":[]}}-->
@Polyamorph: I got rid of the copyvios in the lead section, is it good now? - Sebbog13 (talk) 16:52, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241014165200","author":"Sebbog13","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Sebbog13-20241014165200-Polyamorph-20241013133400","replies":["c-Polyamorph-20241014171200-Sebbog13-20241014165200"]}}-->
Thank you for fixing the copyvio. For ALT1 I meant it's not mentioned clearly in the wikipedia article. It says he was a biologist and that he had the intention of further researching progeria once he had completed his degree studies, but there are no details about this. It appears that the section "Contributions to scientific research" is more about how he volunteered as a participant in research studies, but no discussion about how he personally contributed as a researcher. For now, I'm happy to approve ALT0 - I've edited the hook directly, fixing the typo. Polyamorph (talk) 17:12, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241014171200","author":"Polyamorph","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Polyamorph-20241014171200-Sebbog13-20241014165200","replies":[]}}-->
... that Kent Brushes have supplied their products (examples pictured) to every British monarch since George IV?
Source: "Kent Brushes, which has its factory and headquarters in Apsley, is a Royal Warrant Holder for the supply of brush-ware to the Royal Household and has been providing brushes to the last nine British monarchs since 1820." from: Preston, Olivia. "Apsley's Kent Brushes wins 'Export Business of the Year' at Chamber of Commerce awards". Hemel Today. Retrieved 10 October 2024. and "In the 1820s, Kent expanded and began making toothbrushes for His Majesty King George IV. These toothbrushes were stamped with the Royal Coat of Arms. Kent Brushes has had the honour of holding a Royal Warrant for nine consecutive serving monarchs." from "Discover the Kent Brushes Heritage". Kent Brushes. Retrieved 10 October 2024.
Overall: Jonathan Deamer (talk) 12:40, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241012124000","author":"Jonathan Deamer","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jonathan_Deamer-20241012124000-Kent_Brushes","replies":[]}}-->
Created by CurryTime7-24 (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 49 past nominations.
CurryTime7-24 (talk) 02:07, 11 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241011020700","author":"CurryTime7-24","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-CurryTime7-24-20241011020700-Ross_Mihara","replies":["c-Cielquiparle-20241011124000-CurryTime7-24-20241011020700","c-Cielquiparle-20241011125900-CurryTime7-24-20241011020700"]}}-->
I will review this. Cielquiparle (talk) 12:40, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241011124000","author":"Cielquiparle","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Cielquiparle-20241011124000-CurryTime7-24-20241011020700","replies":[]}}-->
Approve ALT0. Interesting article. New enough (submitted on day of creation); long enough (4176 characters). Has multiple sources in English, appears BLP-compliant. (Small nit is that "Anonymous" is non-standard for references; if you can't find a byline, just leave it out, especially if you're citing a newspaper article. The one exception I might make is if someone went out of their way to use "Anonymous" as their byline.) Reads neutral; the large number of direct quotes makes it read a bit like a magazine article rather than an encyclopedia entry, but this isn't a show-stopper either, as the quotes appear to appropriately cite their sources. Spot check suggests copyright violation is not a problem. The single boldlinked article looks presentable. QPQ is done. There is no photo. This leaves the hooks. Strongly prefer and approve ALT0 which is interesting and cites a reliable source. Striking ALT1 on the basis that it's not that interesting (lots of people do things like that for charity) and it assumes readers know who Mark DeCarlo is. Other general comments: Is it worth explaining what some of those Japanese terms in the article mean? Not everyone wants to leave the article while reading it to click on the wikilinks. Happy to review additional ALT hooks if needed. Cielquiparle (talk) 12:59, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241011125900","author":"Cielquiparle","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Cielquiparle-20241011125900-CurryTime7-24-20241011020700","replies":["c-CurryTime7-24-20241011172600-Cielquiparle-20241011125900"]}}-->
Thank you very kindly for the review. I may take you up on your offer on alternative ALTs. Please give me about a day to work on this. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 17:26, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241011172600","author":"CurryTime7-24","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-CurryTime7-24-20241011172600-Cielquiparle-20241011125900","replies":[]}}-->
Overall: New enough, long enough. No copyright problems. Article and hooks are sourced. ALT0 is the more interesting and it is the one I approve. Great job! —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 23:22, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241015232200","author":"CurryTime7-24","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-CurryTime7-24-20241015232200-Aniello_Prisco","replies":[]}}-->
Comment: Pretty much every article talking about her mentions the belly rubs. She definitely has a personality, and an aquarium fish wanting belly rubs is definitely not something people would expect at first (although, lungfish are weird like this, eh?)
Created by Chaotic Enby (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 6 past nominations.
Interesting individual! Fine sources, no copyvio obvious. I think the hook is cute. Having said that, her name is also cute so you might want to display it. Minor suggestions: Everything in the lead should be sourced in the body, and "lungfish" comes rather late. I'd drop the See also completely, but in case you want to keep it: everything but the link has to go for formality reason. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:54, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241014155400","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20241014155400-Chaotic_Enby-20241014133000","replies":["c-Chaotic_Enby-20241014164200-Gerda_Arendt-20241014155400"]}}-->
Thanks! Fine by me if we add her name, what about ALT1: ... that Methuselah, the oldest living aquarium fish, likes belly rubs?
I'm okay with dropping the "See also", although ironically that's the only part I haven't written, so maybe we can ask Di (they-them).
Regarding the lead, the fact that it's an Australian lungfish is sourced, although I'm not sure how to cleanly add it earlier in the body without moving the whole "Description" section (which I haven't finished writing, there's a lot more about her). I would be open to any advice, thanks a lot! Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 16:42, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241014164200","author":"Chaotic Enby","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Chaotic_Enby-20241014164200-Gerda_Arendt-20241014155400","replies":["c-Di_(they-them)-20241014164900-Chaotic_Enby-20241014164200"]}}-->
Aye, I'm fine with removing the see also section. Di (they-them) (talk) 16:49, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241014164900","author":"Di (they-them)","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Di_(they-them)-20241014164900-Chaotic_Enby-20241014164200","replies":[]}}-->
Created by Queen of Hearts (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 12 past nominations.
Charlotte (Queen of Hearts • talk) 03:32, 13 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241013033200","author":"Queen of Hearts","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Queen_of_Hearts-20241013033200-Charles_J._M._Gwinn","replies":["c-Chaotic_Enby-20241014130300-Queen_of_Hearts-20241013033200","c-Chaotic_Enby-20241014132800-Queen_of_Hearts-20241013033200"]}}-->
Going to review this one! Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 13:03, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241014130300","author":"Chaotic Enby","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Chaotic_Enby-20241014130300-Queen_of_Hearts-20241013033200","replies":[]}}-->
Article is new enough, having been moved from draftspace on October 12.
Three times the required length, certainly long enough.
Very well sourced, copyvio doesn't show anything substantial, no POV or BLP issues to be found.
Article is presentable. If we want to quibble on the details, the second picture is staggered from the infobox on V10, but that's not the kind of presentability issue that really matters at DYK.
Thankfully, the book is in open access! The first hook is fully cited there, and the second one is mostly cited there, although it does not mention that the will was drafted prior to him becoming Attorney General. To be fair, as Hopkins died two years prior, the inference is pretty obvious.
Both hooks are short enough.
The first hook is not necessarily amazing, as it already presumes knowledge of what a state's attorney in a city is (I didn't realize it was a distinct position from "attorney general" at first), and it isn't that surprising that someone drafting a constitution would get one of the offices it established. ALT1 is more interesting in my opinion, although it might depend on how recognizable Johns Hopkins is.
All images used in the article are public domain, and the hook image is present in the article and clear at a diminished size, so it is a good image.
QPQ has been done ahead of time.
No other issues, as far as I can see.
Should be fine for ALT1 at least! Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 13:28, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241014132800","author":"Chaotic Enby","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Chaotic_Enby-20241014132800-Queen_of_Hearts-20241013033200","replies":[]}}-->
Source: NME, June 2024: "Kiki Wong, the new guitarist in The Smashing Pumpkins, has spoken about the “mind-blowing” experience of playing her first shows with the band over the last week. [...] Among her claims to fame is playing drums for Taylor Swift's performance of "Shake It Off" at the 2014 MTV Video Music Awards."
Created by Jonathan Deamer (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 7 past nominations.
Jonathan Deamer (talk) 12:59, 12 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241012125900","author":"Jonathan Deamer","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jonathan_Deamer-20241012125900-Kiki_Wong","replies":[]}}-->
QPQ: Overall: Nice work! The pic especially is a great find. Innisfree987 (talk) 08:09, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241013080900","author":"Innisfree987","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Innisfree987-20241013080900-Kiki_Wong","replies":[]}}-->
Created by Cremastra (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 6 past nominations.
Cremastra (talk) 16:38, 13 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241013163800","author":"Cremastra","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Cremastra-20241013163800-Neath,_New_South_Wales","replies":["c-Edwardx-20241017192900-Cremastra-20241013163800"]}}-->
New enough. Long enough. QPQ done. All paragraphs cited. NPOV okay. Earwig and spot checking done. ALT1 is cited, but a bit humdrum. The ALT0 hook is better, but the fact does not appear in the article, and the Census article linked to above indicates three rather than five speakers. Alternatively, perhaps an ALT2 of something like "... Neath Hotel has 25 guest rooms for a village population of 430?" (25 is from their website, www.theneath.com.au/about) Edwardx (talk) 19:29, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241017192900","author":"Edwardx","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Edwardx-20241017192900-Cremastra-20241013163800","replies":["c-Cremastra-20241017193200-Edwardx-20241017192900"]}}-->
I've fixed the blatant error in the hook. I think it's reasonable to state the number of Tok Pisin speakers in the article, so I'll add that. I do slightly prefer ALT0 to your proposed ALT2, though, since it's a bit more surprising. Cheers, Cremastra — talk — c19:32, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241017193200","author":"Cremastra","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Cremastra-20241017193200-Edwardx-20241017192900","replies":["c-Edwardx-20241017194800-Cremastra-20241017193200"]}}-->
Thank you. It was just a thought. The Tok Pisin thing is intriguing enough. Edwardx (talk) 19:48, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241017194800","author":"Edwardx","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Edwardx-20241017194800-Cremastra-20241017193200","replies":[]}}-->
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith
Interesting:
QPQ: Done.
Overall: A pleasure to read, thank you! Good to go. Innisfree987 (talk) 09:10, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241014091000","author":"Innisfree987","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Innisfree987-20241014091000-Ewa_Ligocka","replies":[]}}-->
... that Mobtown Ballroom and Café(pictured) in Baltimore enlisted a volunteer army to build its sprung wood floor by hand – twice? Source: Baltimore Magazine "'We built the floor there ourselves, with volunteers,' Sullivan says, 'and a bunch of them were there dancing on the floor on that last night.' Now, some of the same volunteers who were there in the beginning have returned to help lay the sprung wood floor at Mobtown’s new home at North Avenue Market"]
Moved to mainspace by Sdkb (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 43 past nominations.
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Article long enough and recent move from draftspace. No copyvio detected, hook interesting and cited inline with a verified source. Image appropriately licensed. QPQ done, so good to go. Juxlos (talk) 08:04, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241014080400","author":"Juxlos","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Juxlos-20241014080400-Sdkb-20241014043300","replies":[]}}-->
... that according to the medieval legal compilation known as the Laws of London, also known as IV Æthelred, merchants from lands ruled by the German emperor appear to have enjoyed special trading privileges in eleventh-century London?
Source: Robertson, Laws, p. 324; Naismith, "Laws of London", p. 2
Robertson: 'Subjects of the emperor appear to be specially privileged.'
Naismith: 'Traders in London came from all over northern Europe: those of Rouen,
Flanders, Ponthieu, Normandy and Francia are singled out, as well as others from
specific towns in the Low Countries (Huy, Liège and Nivelles) and a group referred
to as ‘the men of the emperor’ (homines imperatoris) who had especially wideranging
privileges.'
Reviewed:
Converted from a redirect by Deacon of Pndapetzim (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
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Expension date, hook, length, close paraphrase check ok. No QPQ needed. --Soman (talk) 12:03, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241020120300","author":"Soman","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Soman-20241020120300-Deacon_of_Pndapetzim-20241014201100","replies":[]}}-->
Comment: Feel free to suggest other hooks if you can think of something more catchy :)
Created by Elli (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 21 past nominations.
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Will review this. BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:11, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241016201100","author":"BeanieFan11","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-BeanieFan11-20241016201100-Elli-20241015032200","replies":[]}}-->
Overall: Wow – that was...interesting. Article looks good and appears to meet all the criteria. QPQ done. Both hooks are interesting, although I prefer ALT0. Looks good to go. BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:43, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241016204300","author":"BeanieFan11","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-BeanieFan11-20241016204300-John_W._Keogh","replies":[]}}-->
Comment: There could be a hook in Song Zhenzhong being an infant when detained at Xifeng and nine when executed, but I need a stout drink.
Created by Crisco 1492 (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 689 past nominations.
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Article new and long enough, well-referenced throughout. Both hooks confirmed in the Muhlhahn book, and both interesting, either will work. QPQ is done, and copyvio not detected (Earwig only flagged long names). Good to go. Juxlos (talk) 07:50, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241015075000","author":"Juxlos","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Juxlos-20241015075000-Crisco_1492-20241014201300","replies":[]}}-->
Overall: Good to go. Not sure about Alt1 as it is unclear why it opening in 1922 is noteworthy. Sahaib (talk) 09:30, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241016093000","author":"Sahaib","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Sahaib-20241016093000-Pulp_and_paper_industry_in_Indonesia","replies":[]}}-->
... that after learning that UCLA's student body president was Black, John Moore's mother said "this is where he's going to school"?
Source: "'You mean there are fifteen thousand students at this school, and out of all these people the student body president is black?' ... 'Well,' Johnny's mother said, 'this is where he's going to school.' "(Wooden: A Coach's Life)
Overall: Article is new enough. Hook is interesting, reads good, and is short enough. Everything in the article is cited. I read the entire article and just fixed a few minor things. Approving the hook. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 03:51, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241016035100","author":"WikiOriginal-9","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-WikiOriginal-9-20241016035100-John_Moore_(basketball)","replies":[],"displayName":"~WikiOriginal-9~"}}-->
Source: Michalik et al. (2024) Article title and Discussion- Biogeography and conservation "However, the small range sizes and disjunct distributions of the three known Progradungula species support theidea that this spider genus is a relict. Progradungula might be an example of Gondwanan rainforest biota that has suffered major extinction and now survives only in a few sheltered habitats."
Moved to mainspace by Kevmin (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 361 past nominations.
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New enough, long enough. Hook fact is interesting, supported in article. Spiders and ghosts are a perfect blend for Halloween. No close paraphrasing (Earwig shows 0%). Good to go! — Chris Woodrich (talk) 18:52, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241020185200","author":"Crisco 1492","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Crisco_1492-20241020185200-Kevmin-20241016163100","replies":[],"displayName":"Chris Woodrich"}}-->
Comment: The ALT0 clip quote is a little hard to make out due to scan quality.
Improved to Good Article status by Sammi Brie (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 716 past nominations.
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Will review this. BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:07, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241020170700","author":"BeanieFan11","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-BeanieFan11-20241020170700-Sammi_Brie-20241019031700","replies":[]}}-->
Overall: Per WP:DYKCOMPLETE please expand the section Impact to more than a one sentence paragraph RightCowLeftCoast (Moo) 02:16, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241017021600","author":"RightCowLeftCoast","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-RightCowLeftCoast-20241017021600-Tea_production_in_Indonesia","replies":["c-Juxlos-20241017024100-RightCowLeftCoast-20241017021600"]}}-->
Easier to merge it to Statistics. That better? Juxlos (talk) 02:41, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241017024100","author":"Juxlos","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Juxlos-20241017024100-RightCowLeftCoast-20241017021600","replies":["c-RightCowLeftCoast-20241017034900-Juxlos-20241017024100"]}}-->
@Juxlos:works for me. Thanks for the efforts to create this article.--RightCowLeftCoast (Moo) 03:49, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241017034900","author":"RightCowLeftCoast","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-RightCowLeftCoast-20241017034900-Juxlos-20241017024100","replies":[]}}-->
Created by Sahaib (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 34 past nominations.
Sahaib (talk) 09:36, 16 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241016093600","author":"Sahaib","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Sahaib-20241016093600-James_Smart_(police_officer)","replies":["c-Dumelow-20241016102400-Sahaib-20241016093600"]}}-->
Hi Sahaib, review follows: article moved to mainspace on 16 October and is of good length; article is well written and cited inline throughout; I hadn't heard of the publisher used for the citaiton for the hook but the author looks like they are reliable, holding a PhD and having written on the history of Scottish police elsewher (and being a former police superintendent); hook fact is mentioned in the article and supported by the source; image is OK and looks to be public domain by virtue of age; I didn't pick up any issues with overly-close paraphrasing from the online sources; a QPQ has been carried out. Looks OK to me - Dumelow (talk) 10:24, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241016102400","author":"Dumelow","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Dumelow-20241016102400-Sahaib-20241016093600","replies":[]}}-->
Comment: Note that this was a redirect from 2016 through today. Even then, this would count as a 5x expansion over what existed before the article was turned into a redirect.
Created by Crisco 1492 (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 693 past nominations.
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Looks good to me. Expansion is fine (this has nothing in common with the earlier collection of unverified trivia), the first hook is verified, I don't see any plagiarism, paragraphs are sourced, the image is properly licensed, etc. I like the first hook best. Drmies (talk) 01:25, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241020012500","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-20241020012500-Crisco_1492-20241020011700","replies":[]}}-->
... that when French secret police raided Deng Xiaoping's hotel room in Billancourt, they encountered copies of the Moscow newspaper Qian Jin Bao(pictured)?
Source: Alexander V. Pantsov, Steven I. Levine. Deng Xiaoping: A Revolutionary Life. Oxford University Press, 2015. pp. 34-35
Overall: New enough and long enough. Earwig is showing me 0%, which may be an error, but spotchecking I haven't found any issues. Image is sufficiently clear for what it is – one doesn't expect newspapers to show up well at 100px. Looks good to go! — Chris Woodrich (talk) 01:26, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241020012600","author":"Crisco 1492","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Crisco_1492-20241020012600-Qian_Jin_Bao","replies":[],"displayName":"Chris Woodrich"}}-->
Created by Crisco 1492 (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 692 past nominations.
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Length, date, hook, QPQ, close paraphrase check ok. Article says pulled from circulation, not banned, but in this context this is a very narrow semantic difference, so ok. --Soman (talk) 21:54, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241019215400","author":"Soman","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Soman-20241019215400-Crisco_1492-20241019174900","replies":[]}}-->
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