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Template talk:ADF Leadership
Currently this template includes deputy chief navy, army and airforce and a number of commanders of forces. The problem is it misses the navy systems commander, commander 1 div, commander special forces command which are all three of equal status as commander forces commander, air commander and commander aus fleet. There are also numerous other 2 star positions not mentioned see Senior Australian_Defence Organisation Positions. Perhaps it should only include 3 and 4 star positions???--TinTin (talk) 06:03, 7 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Actually, the three Forces Commanders hold a higher position (if not rank) than the other two star positions. Limiting this template to the Deputies and the three Forces Commanders provides a good summary of the ADF leadership. It would go on forever if we listed all the Army two star positions! ;) --Oliver Nouther (talk) 06:10, 7 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- I wonder just how many "uniformed" 2 star positions there are?
- Stealing from Senior Australian Defence Organisation Positions, see below.
- P.S. Please correct the table.
- Comments:
- "Senior Australian Defence Organisation Positions" needs updating!
- It looks like there are about 30 two stars (?)
- It's too bloody hard to track them all down!!
- I had thought about adding all of them to the template, BUT a) It's too hard & b) It would be impossible to keep it current.
- Well, I guess that means that not only you two, but me third, all agree there are too many.
- ("So what?" I hear you reply. "We'd already come to that conclusion.") Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 12:01, 7 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm afraid this is what one lets oneself in for by increasing the scope of this template, however well-intentioned that may be... ;-) When I created it (I think after discussion with Oliver or Pdf or both, it was a long time ago) it was deliberately restricted to CDF and the 3-stars. That kept it stable for quite a while. Now it's got some 2-stars, there's the risk that the flood gates will open... Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 12:09, 7 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm afraid this is what one lets oneself in for - Yes. So it would seem.
- I extended it - "it seemed like a good idea at the time". Perhaps now I'm not so sure that it was such a good idea. Pdfpdf (talk) 12:52, 7 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Table of ADF 2 stars @ April 2011
C? = May be a civilian position, not an ADF Joint position
| Org |
Joint |
Navy |
Army |
Air Force
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| DMO |
- Head, Helicopter Systems Division (HHSD) Campbell
- Program Manager, Collins and Wedgetail (PMCW) Deeble
- Program Manager, New Air Combat Capability (PMNACC) Osley
- C? Head, Electronic Systems Division (HESD) Alward
- C? Head, Explosive Ordnance Division (HEOD) Klenthis
- C? Program Manager, Air Warfare Destroyer Cawley
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- Head, Maritime Systems Division (HMSD) Marshall
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- Head, Land Systems Division (HLSD) Cavenagh
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- Head, Aerospace Systems Division (HASD) Thorne
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| Capability Development |
- Head, Capability Systems (HCS) Plenty
- Others? - Yes - Jones (position??)
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| CIO |
- Head Information and Communications Technology Operations Milford
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| Intelligence |
- Director, Defence Intelligence Organisation (DIO) ??
- Others??
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| Operations |
- Commander, Border Protection Barrett
- Commander, Joint Logistics (CJLOG) Staib
- Deputy Commander Joint Operations (DCJOPS) ??
- Commander of Australian Forces in the MEAO ??
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| People Strategies |
- Head, Defence Personnel Executive (HDPE) ??
- Others??
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| Strategy |
- Head Military Strategic Commitments Power
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| Support |
Several (e.g. Liz Cosson retired? )
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| Training |
- Commander Joint Education, Training and Warfare Goldrick
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| VCDF |
Adviser to the VCDF on
Joint Warfighting Lessons and Concepts -
Jim Molan retired.
Others?? |
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| DJFHQ |
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Who? |
Commander 1Div
(i.e. double hatted) |
Who?
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| Navy |
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- Deputy Chief of Navy (DCN) Jones
- Commander Australian Fleet (COMAUSFLT) Gilmore
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| Army |
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- Deputy Chief of Army (DCA) Symon
- Commander Forces Command (CFC) Morrison
- Special Operations Commander, Australia (Gus Gilmore)
- Head of Modernisation and Strategic Planning - Army Caligari
- Commander, 1st Division [who?]
- Commander, 2nd Division [who?]
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| Air Force |
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- Deputy Chief of Air Force (DCAF) Brown
- Air Commander Australia (ACAUST) Skidmore
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| Reserves |
- Assistant CDF (Reserves) and
Head Reserve and Employer Support Division Brereton
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| Others |
- Judge Advocate General (JAG) (Tracey)
- Inspector-General ADF (rank?)
- Inspector-General (rank?)
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