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In case you weren't paying attention, my edit reduced the excessive amount of whitespace in the article. User:InedibleHulk did a better job of it than I did, so I'm going to thank that editor in less than a minute. ---------User:DanTD (talk) 06:18, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
You're welcome. I didn't know you were having a problem (or even still what it was), but glad I could help. InedibleHulk(talk) 06:24, January 8, 2014 (UTC)
Removing the hatnote is fine with me. However, as long as there is a hatnote, it should go above the lead, not under. See WP:LEAD. -Zanhe (talk) 08:22, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
I note that you are trying to specifically link the move to Hong Kong and the Japanese invasion. If the source I gave is true (which you see somehow fit to remove), then the move cannot be caused by the Japanese invasion since it happened in early 1937 before the invasion. The Shaw official site actually does not specifically gave it as the reason for the move, which leave two opposing sources, and it is possible one is mistaken (since Zhang also say they moved before the invasion, he probably also made a mistake in interpretation). We have a number of sources that say the move happened before Japanese invasion - [1][2], and I have other books and they don't specifically indicate a causal link between the the destruction in Shanghai and the move to Hong Kong. We also know that there had been two fires in the Tianyi studio in 1936 [3][4] although it is unclear whether it is the Hong Kong or Shanghai studio, but destruction of the studio is not something unique, it would not be wise to specifically link two event which may not directly linked. If the sequence of events are reverse (i.e. the move to Hong Kong happened before the destruction of the studio) then the way the sentences are written would be highly misleading. When there is doubt, don't write it to suggest that it is a fact. Hzh (talk) 12:12, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
I did not simply remove the source you gave (Zhang 2004), but replaced it with a more recent one by the same author (Zhang 2012), as the Zhang 2004 assertion that Tianyi moved everything to HK and terminated its Shanghai operation in early 1937 is clearly contradicted by Zhang 2012, which says Tianyi suffered devastating damage in the Japanese invasion of Shanghai and then moved to Hong Kong. When such situations arise, we normally go with the more recent source, as the author may have gained new information or changed his position. Moreover, the statement on the Shaw website corroborates Zhang 2012: "When the Japanese invaded Shanghai in 1937, the Shaw Studio in China was destroyed and ceased operations temporarily." From the various sources, it's clear that Tianyi moved some of its operation to HK prior to the Japanese invasion (enough for it to survive while its two main competitors folded), but did not move completely until after the invasion. -Zanhe (talk) 19:07, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
On 21 January 2014, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Li (surname 李), which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that while Li(character pictured), shared by more than 100 million people, is one of the most common surnames in the world, Li and Li are far less common? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.
On 21 January 2014, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Li (surname 厉), which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that while Li(character pictured), shared by more than 100 million people, is one of the most common surnames in the world, Li and Li are far less common? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.
On 21 January 2014, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Li (surname 栗), which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that while Li(character pictured), shared by more than 100 million people, is one of the most common surnames in the world, Li and Li are far less common? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.
On 22 January 2014, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Li E, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that a famous line by Li E reads "rain/wash/autumn/lush/people/pale"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Li E. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.
Indeed. I haven't reverted the revert to that revert because it was correct in the first place:) Apologies for my original mistake. Best, ► Philg88 ◄talk09:40, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
On 2 February 2014, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Li Yining, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that China's Premier Li Keqiang and Vice President Li Yuanchao both studied under Li Yining, who is known as "Mr. Stock Market"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Li Yining. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.
I noticed you were the one who closed the Li (surname) RfC. It's super long, would you mind summarizing the outcome, either at the top or using the 'result' field of the archive top template? It'll be much easier for future editors to get a sense of the outcome. 0x0077BE (talk) 00:51, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
I simply added the archive templates to the RfC which had expired weeks before. As I was an active participant in the discussion, I don't think it's appropriate for me to summarize the outcome, although the consensus is quite clear for anyone who cares to read the discussion. -Zanhe (talk) 06:23, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
DYK for Lu (surname 陆)
On 21 February 2014, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Lu (surname 陆), which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Lu, Lu, and Lu are different Chinese surnames? You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
On 21 February 2014, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Lu (surname 卢), which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Lu, Lu, and Lu are different Chinese surnames? You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
On 21 February 2014, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Lu (surname 路), which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Lu, Lu, and Lu are different Chinese surnames? You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
On 22 February 2014, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Lü (surname), which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that the first known person surnamed Lü was the first ruler of Qi who lived more than 3,000 years ago? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Lü (surname). You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Hu was a leading reformer, and wrote in his thesis "Observe economic laws, speed up the Four Modernizations" (published in 1978) that the planned economy was not observing the economic laws of society, and supported private initiative in the economy.. Hu Qiaomu was on par with Chen Yun, a reformer, but a reformer more obsessed with saving "key socialist features", such as preserving some elements of the planned economy. However, he was a reformer, and did not oppose Reform and Opening Up, being one of its leading advocates at the beginning... You can easily find this in Google Books, also, its referenced in the Ideology section of the Communist Party of China article (which I've written)... Calling him a conservative reformer yes, calling him a hardliner, no. A hardliner in the sense that he opposed liberal freedoms yes, but then everyone with the exception of Zhao and Hua were hardliners.. --TIAYN (talk) 12:00, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
Labels such as reformer and hardliner are relative. Hu Qiaomu could probably be considered a reformer judging by the extremist ideology of the Cultural Revolution, but by the late 1980s, he was definitely a hardliner in the reformist environment of the Deng Xiaoping era. And that's how the NYT obituary described him. I agree we should add more nuanced analysis to the article, but simply removing the sourced content is not the solution, IMO. -Zanhe (talk) 04:01, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
Yo, the reason I used uppercase for "General" is that it's a proper noun. (No cap intended) "general" is an adjective and is potentially confusing for those who don't know Chinese stuff i.e those who have no idea whether it's a name, a place or a small flowering shrub with extremely sharp leaves :). Based on that, I think it should move back. Best ► Philg88 ◄talk14:32, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Ma Chengyuan you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Rosiestep -- Rosiestep(talk)04:01, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
Hi there. This was an article on an interesting person, so I was glad to review it. Please ping me when you're ready for me to look at it again. Thanks. --Rosiestep (talk) 20:17, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
DYK for Yang Gang (journalist)
On 4 March 2014, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Yang Gang (journalist), which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Chinese journalist Yang Gang committed suicide after being forced to persecute her colleagues, but the details are disputed? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Yang Gang (journalist). You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
I just completed a substantial expansion of the article about this Chinese silent era actress. Could you or someone else more experienced than I please take a look at it and let me know if I'm on the right track? Also, as I noted there, the image was not of her but another actress from the same era. I deleted that, but there is still a redirect form the other's name to that of Chin's. Thanks.
Thanks for your contribution, it was a great improvement from the old version. I copyedited the article a bit, but it's mostly fine. One major point to watch out, though, is that user-generated content such as Baidu Baike is not considered reliable source, so please do not use it as source in the future. Thanks also for noticing the bad redirect Xu qinfang, I've placed a Db-redirmisnomer tag on the page. (update: an admin has now deleted the redirect) Keep up the good work! Unfortunately, major contributors Tryptofeng and Benjwong seem to have both left Wikipedia, and there has been a sore lack of contributors for classic Chinese cinema. -Zanhe (talk) 01:04, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the feedback, and for the words of encouragement. I'll avoid Baidu Baike in the future, (I noticed they never seemed to have any sources cited), but I have many other sources to use. I'm still learning the system, so is it OK if I call on you for advice now and then? I promise I won't be a pest.
No problem at all. Feel free to ask questions any time. Judging by the quality of your work so far, I suspect you're unlikely to become a pest :-) -Zanhe (talk) 00:54, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
On 6 March 2014, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Lou (surname 娄), which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Lou is the 229th most common surname in China, while Lou is the 269th? You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
On 6 March 2014, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Lou (surname 楼), which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Lou is the 229th most common surname in China, while Lou is the 269th? You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Saw this pop up on my watchlist. Just a heads up: you may want to keep an eye out for disambiguation pages as well. I got two earlier. There are scripts to make this easier. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:14, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
On 8 March 2014, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Chen Yumei, which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Chen Yumei(pictured) retired from acting soon after being crowned the "Movie Queen"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Chen Yumei. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Hi Zanhe, thanks for responding to my revision. I was looking for some experienced wiki editors who are still active on this topic. Yet obviously there is opinion difference between us, I appreciate your related changes recently on pages like Shanghai, Shanghainese_people, Demonym, etc. In my opinion, "Shanghainese" is a word passed on due to the effect of "Chinglish", which might be invented in the early '80s by some arrogant local English learners in high-school level or lower (Another example, "Black New New", assume you know what it is. But this one is cute, btw). However, it is neither formalized nor "standard" (as you referred to in the revision history). Times have changed, and Wikipedia is a site that people around the world refer to when they don't know about some subject. I think it is very import to make names, concepts and ideas appearing on wiki pages clear and unbiased, as you know this wiki-editing business much better than I do. Even though someone would argue that "Shanghainese got more hits on Goolge", "Shanghaian" is NOT out of play. "Shanghainese" may have been accepted by some expats in Shanghai, but "Shanghaian" definitely makes better sense to foreigners who have never been to China (please ignore the word "Shanghaier"). so it will be much appreciated if you could consider making it a widely known issue among your wiki friends and bringing senior editors and domain experts to fix this problem. Thanks. --MakeItFair Hopefully (talk) 20:04, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
That depends, as I am planning a semi-retirement from Wikipedia, probably before or after the closure of an on-going GA review of an article I created. Had to cure my Wikipediholism. HYH.124 (talk) 06:48, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
Understood. I'm suffering a bit from Wikipediholism myself, and will take a break for a few weeks. In general I find GA nominations not worth the trouble, when there are thousands of notable topics that don't even have a basic article. I've only nominated a few that I've accidentally spent too much time writing. -Zanhe (talk) 19:40, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
It seems like none of your articles are promoted to GA status. Anyway, I suggest that for all surname articles which you contributed to with Chinese characters as part of article title, traditional/simplified-Chinese-character redirects can be created. HYH.124 (talk) 05:59, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
I've nominated five articles for GA, and four have been promoted. I had plans to nominate more, but found it a time-consuming and less rewarding task than writing new articles. Thanks for your suggestion for creating the redirects, will try to remember to do that. -Zanhe (talk) 23:11, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
Mutilations
I am afraid your Feb. 2 deletions and mutilations on the Neville Maxwell page, including eliminating credible and weighty citations, was unprofessional. Wikipedia promotes objectivity. But for some reason, you wish to block that objective in relation to Maxwell. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mona.SHEPHERD (talk • contribs) 07:58, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
Mutilations? You've got to be kidding me. What Harshray added to Neville Maxwell was a blatant violation of the WP:BLP policy. Thanks for alerting me to the fact that he's now added it again. But I'm on a wikibreak now and will have to deal with it later. -Zanhe (talk) 13:20, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
Incorrect redirect
In the article Zhuangzi Tests His Wife the name Beihai Li redirects to Lai Man-Wai. It should redirect to the article for Lai Pak-Hoi, which is Beihai Li's (or Li Beihai's) Cantonese name. They are two separate people. Sorry to bother you with this, but since I understand it it has to be corrected by an administrator, I don't know how else to get it corrected.
Invincible Asia (talk) 15:33, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
@Invincible Asia: Administrator intervention was required last time because we were requesting to delete an incorrect redirect. Changing the target of a redirect does not need administrator permission. @Philg88: Thanks a lot for helping out when I was on a wikibreak. -Zanhe (talk) 03:30, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
Do you know how to see how many views a DYK that ran only a few days ago received? It used to be very easy... but I can't seem to locate it anymore? 842U (talk) 20:46, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
Always happy to help out a fellow Wikipedian, especially you :), and my apologies in advance if you already know about Chinese numerology. Per your request, you don't really want a number with a "4" in it (Rincewind42 excepted because 42 is special); it's a number associated with death in China and best avoided. The most auspicious is "8" (sounds like father, sons = cash) followed by "6" (sounds like flow, flow = prosperity). So "86" is perfect for you (and it's no coincidence that it's the dialing code for the PRC, although they're probably still pissed that Taiwan trumps them with "886"). Funny how it all comes down to money. Cheers, ► Philg88 ◄♦talk06:15, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
Lol. Thanks for your numerology tips! Changing username is too much hassle, but I'll keep your tips in mind when creating accounts on other websites. Cheers! -Zanhe (talk) 18:11, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
Congratulations on reaching this milestone! Your contributions on Chinese culture, surnames, and other topics are making Wikipedia better, and more interesting! Best, Yoninah (talk) 18:16, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
Didn't realize it was your article. It could use more inline references, but nice article nevertheless! -Zanhe (talk) 19:08, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
DYK for Li Xueqin
On 17 April 2014, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Li Xueqin, which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Li Xueqin, considered in China to be "the most important historian working today", never finished college? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Li Xueqin. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Hello Zanhe, I have see you have been active on DYK related matter for sometime so I was wondering if you can review this nomination. Please let me know if you can help. Thank you. JimCarter(talk)12:52, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
Please take a look. Since we have only three people Sitush, MelanieN and Titodutta who were very much familiar with the subject but unexpectedly all of them were involved in creating this article. So I thought if you can help. Thank you. JimCarter(talk)06:47, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
On 23 April 2014, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Qiu Xigui, which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Qiu Xigui's book Chinese Writing is "universally acclaimed to be the definitive overview" of Chinese palaeography? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Qiu Xigui. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Many thanks for reviewing my latest DYKs - possibly the two most disparate subjects one could come up with! I saw a comment you made on one of them about checking for copyvio. Did you use a wmf labs tool or something else? Best, Philg88 ♦talk08:23, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
No problem. I enjoyed reading and reviewing your disparate yet interesting articles. Too bad the North Korean photo did not make the main page. I use Dupe Detector for copyvio checks, but usually only run spot checks on the main sources. Checking every source would be too time consuming. -Zanhe (talk) 19:39, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
That's a cool tool, thanks. At Google books I used to click on the "About this book" link in the left hand toolbar then export the citation as a refman etc, format and insert. This will make the process much easier. Philg88 ♦talk07:01, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
LOL. If you want to engage in a serious debate over the merit of your edits, why not get an account instead of editing from dozens of ever-changing IPs? Your behaviour gives people the impression that you have something to hide. -Zanhe (talk) 20:20, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
Shanghai population
Sorry about that. It seems it was the list of cities proper that was wrong, which you fixed. Thanks for clearing it up. I should of read the source first. Jacob102699 (talk) 20:22, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
Hi Zanhe, I wanted to run this by you before moving ahead. A user with a very low edit count moved a number of related pages from Dzungar -> Zunghar (for example Zunghar people and Zunghar Khanate). According to this ngram, "Dzungar" is the WP:COMMONNAME and it's certainly the one used for Dzungaria, from which it derives. Having these two names in related topics is confusing for readers and I want to switch it back again. The question arises as to whether it can be done as a WP:BOLD move or requires a move discussion. Thoughts? Philg88 ♦talk06:17, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
@Philg88: Reverting an undiscussed move is common and does not require a move discussion. The first user made a bold move, and if you disagree with it (for good reason, AFAIK), it's natural to move it back, which would be the second step of the WP:BRD cycle. -Zanhe (talk) 06:28, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
I took a look at the discussion, but it was getting a bit too technical for me to fully understand. Sorry I didn't feel competent enough to provide any useful input. -Zanhe (talk) 21:38, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
On 30 April 2014, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Yang Bojun, which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Yang Bojun, who was taught to read Confucian classics by his grandfather, became an author of several influential commentaries on them? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Yang Bojun. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Hi Zanhe, how are you? I have another article on DYK. So I thought you might like to review it. The nomination page is here. Many thanks. JimCarter(talk)03:51, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
Sorry, I've been a bit busy lately and didn't have time to take a look at it until now. I see that it's already been reviewed by an experienced editor. -Zanhe (talk) 21:43, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
On 2 May 2014, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Chu Teh-Chun, which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Chu Teh-Chun's(pictured) portrait of his wife was praised as the "Mona Lisa of the East"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Chu Teh-Chun. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
On 11 May 2014, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Mother Lü, which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that to avenge the execution of her son, Mother Lü beheaded her son's killer, sacrificed his head on her son's tomb, and became the first female rebel leader in Chinese history? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Mother Lü. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Good work on this DYK! I never realized how much was involved, so I'm all the more admiring. ch (talk) 05:38, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
CWH, thanks for writing the article to begin with. DYK requires more attention to detail, but you get a hang of it after a few tries. Keep up the good work, and maybe you'll become a DYK regular in the future. Cheers! -Zanhe (talk) 07:06, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
White whirlwind, it was actually my first GA review, so I wasn't too sure how strictly to interpret the GA rules, especially on breadth. I'm glad that someone else has stepped in and ended my indecision. Despite my reservations, it is an excellent article, and you've done a great job bringing such an important article to GA standard. Thank you very much! As you've seen, I've nominated it for DYK. -Zanhe (talk) 22:15, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
Lang Jingshan thanks again
Hi again! Thanks for the thoughtful work at Lang Jingshan, and for the DYK nomination. I had thought of nominating the same salacious fact, but you put it better.
One question for my future reference, though. I am not clear on what images we are allowed to use. The photos you put on the page are great. Did you do something other than just upload and post them, or is there some more complicated procedure needed to get permission? Cheers ch (talk) 18:05, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
CWH, I've been planning to write about Lang Jingshan for a long time, but have been sidetracked by a variety of things. Thanks for writing the article, as well as many others!
The images we use must be public domain (PD) or have a free license. In both PRC and ROC (but not Hong Kong), images become PD 50 years after publication, so all the images I uploaded were published before 1964. However, PD images in China/Taiwan are not automatically PD in the US due to the URAA law. It's a complex issue, but in short, images published in the PRC before 1946 (URAA date 1996 minus 50, mostly meaningless as it was before its founding) or in the ROC before 1952 (URAA date 2002 minus 50) are also PD in the US. When uploading images to the commons using UploadWizard, the second screen asks about license. Choose "Another reason not mentioned above", then paste the copyright template {{PD-China}} for images that are PD in China/Taiwan; for those that are also PD in the US, add the second template {{PD-1996}}. -Zanhe (talk) 20:03, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
Thanks -- your explanation helps at lot. Do you know if it's ok to scan an image of something created before 1964 but in a book printed more recently? For instance, say, a Qing or Ming dynasty woodblock? ch (talk) 01:12, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
CWH, yes definitely, it's the first publishing date that counts. However, if it's a photo of a three-dimensional object such as a sculpture, then the photo is considered an original work with its own copyright. -Zanhe (talk) 02:39, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
Hello Zanhe, how are you? I trust all is well. I have recently created an article about a film which was nominated for DYK. So, I thought if you can help review. The nom page is here. Infinite thanks. JimCarter(talk)15:32, 4 June 2014 (UTC)
Hi Jim Cartar, I've been trying to access gomolo.com, the main source for the article, but it keeps timing out. Is it just me or something wrong with the website? -Zanhe (talk) 05:15, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
Many thanks for that. I have no doubt that he is notable, but you know as well as I do how difficult it can be find sources proving it. Hopefully someone will now process the DYK submission. Thanks again and if I can reciprocate then don't hesitate to ask. Best, Philg88 ♦talk07:25, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
No need to reciprocate. Just keep writing interesting new articles for my reading pleasure :) -Zanhe (talk) 04:16, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
I'm amazed that the stuff you removed was added in July 2012 without a supporting reference, and it sat there for 2 years before someone actually added one! (At which point it became obvious that it should never have been put there in the first place ... ) 2 years!! Pdfpdf (talk) 14:09, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
Pdfpdf, I know, too many POV pushers and too few people sticking with neutral sources. Thanks for your effort improving the related articles! -Zanhe (talk) 02:52, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
DYK for Lang Jingshan
On 11 June 2014, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Lang Jingshan, which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Lang Jingshan was the first Chinese art photographer to use nude models (earliest photo pictured)? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Lang Jingshan. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Yes, basically, you are correct. However, life is rarely that simple ...
Yes, I had a similar reaction to yours regarding hatnotes are for articles with similar names, but I draw to your attention that "similar" might have a MUCH wider definition than you have considered. For example, in the sense that they are all "archipelagos in the South China Sea", there are about 5 names that satisfy this, of which the Paracels and the Spratlys are but two.
In principal, I agree with your edit. In practice, I fear that it's not that easily defined, and hence, before I express a further opinion, I'd like to read what you have to say on the matter (of non-similar names referring to possibly "similar" (whatever that might mean) circumstance. Thanks in advance, Pdfpdf (talk) 17:50, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
I see your point, and agree that some people may confuse the Spratlys with the Paracels as they are both archipelagos in the South China Sea. Similarly, people may also confuse Sicily with Sardinia, Fiji with Tonga, and the dozens of countries in the Caribbean, but I don't think hatnotes are meant to prevent this type of potential confusion. -Zanhe (talk) 05:00, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
You chose to ignore my warning against abusing the vandalism notices. I hope you've now learned your lesson after this and this. -Zanhe (talk) 23:25, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
Well, I know you're above gravedancing. :) The good news is that he's agreed to a topic ban if he's unblocked. Now, I trust that the article will find an appropriate fate. Let's work together to help wrap up this bone in our throats. It's time to get this one fixed. Thank you again for your patience in all of this. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:28, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
You can't imagine how much abuse I received from him over the years. Besides the latest vandalism accusations, he's accused me of racism and of conspiring to fudge numbers. I know I'm just one of several editors who stopped actively maintaining the city lists out of frustration. He seemed to be exhausted himself from being opposed by virtually everybody else, but just couldn't stop. I'm not against unblocking him if he agrees to a topic ban, which is probably the best for everyone involved. -Zanhe (talk) 00:10, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
Greetings from Chinese Wikipedia. I have translated the article The Jakarta Post into Chinese, but there is a user (now banned as he used several sock puppets to disturb the functioning of zhwp; mentioned as that man below) arguing about the translation, thus opposed the attempt of GA candidacy. I've discussed the issue with Crisco 1492, the article's main editor, and we have made effort for the issues' resolving. Here's summary of our talk:
In the original article, it is said that when the Post was founded, staffs need to use a pica pole as the straightedge. That man argues that in this situation, a straightedge means a tool with an edge free from curves with no equally spaced markings along its length, making the sentence irrational. I don't agree with his saying, thus not changing the sentence. In our discussion, Crisco point out that straightedge = ruler (give or take). Since then, the sentence haven't changed.
In the article mentioned above, it's said that "English favouring the active voice and direct statements, while respectful Indonesian favours the passive voice and a circuitous approach." That man argues that in this situation, "respectful Indonesian" means elegant/prestigious way of Indonesian writing. But I have noticed an article about a televised debate between Mr. Joko Widodo and Mr. Prabowo Subianto (both candidates in the upcoming Indonesian presidential election) by Lianhe Zaobao, a Singapore-based Chinese paper. In the article, it stated that a typical style for a Javanese to speak is humble, just like what Jokowi did. So, I think that it is quite contradictory between that man's comment and the article's content. I prefer to adopt the article's speech, i.e. "respectful Indonesian" = "humble way of Indonesian writing". Crisco suggested that "respectful Indonesian" can be translated into some Chinese means "Indonesians showing respect" or sth similar.
In the same article, it quoted the speech of Mr. Jusuf Wanandi: "You cannot bullshit in English, like the Javanese way." That man argued again, this time point out the word "bullshit" means chatting, not lying nor having a bad intend. Crisco said that the phrase "bullshit" doesn't means as "lying" nor "chatting". He suggests that the phrase is using a certain phrasing to imply that you'll do something, but not doing it (a favourite tactic of Indonesians who want to stall... "akan dikerjakan" ("it will be worked on"). I look at the original version of the Chinese translation again. The original translation of the phrase "bullshit" means "boasting", "lying" or "chatting", and the revised translation only means "chatting". For the meaning of not doing what he promised to do, there are several idioms on it, roughly translated as "what one say and do is not the same" and "saying, then not fulfill the promise". However, as I know, they are used as adjectives. If the original translation (boasting/chatting/lying) is used, it may makes contradiction, as I have translated the word "respectful" as a Chinese word means "humble".
I appreciate your contributions on China-related articles, as I once noticed that your article was on DYK column and the article is well-written. Crisco also acknowledged your well understanding of Chinese nuance, thus ask me to seek advice from you. I would be grateful if you can give me some useful advice on these issues, comment on whether our explanation is correct, and help for the translation. Much thanks, Spring Roll Conan ( Talk · Contributions ) 11:37, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
Hi Spring Roll Conan, this is a completely unfamiliar subject to me. I'll need some time to read both the English and Chinese articles, as well as the sources, and get back to you later. Hope that's ok. -Zanhe (talk) 00:43, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
春卷柯南, sorry about the delay. I took a look at the article and your translation (well done, by the way), but unfortunately I cannot access the main source (Tarrant 2008). I agree with the your translation of straightedge as 直尺. Wikidata apparently thinks so too. As for "respectful Indonesian", I suggest translating it as 禮貌的印尼語. From my understanding, the humble voice is simply the normal polite speech of Malay/Indonesian. "You cannot bullshit in English, like the Javanese way" is the hardest to translate. Without access to the original context, it's hard to determine what he means exactly by "bullshit" here. However, I don't think this sentence is essential to the article, and not much is lost if you just omit it altogether. If you really want to include it, just follow Crisco's interpretation. -Zanhe (talk) 20:17, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
On 19 June 2014, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Kong Yingda, which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Kong Yingda, one of the most influential Confucian scholars, was said to be a 32nd-generation descendant of Confucius? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Kong Yingda. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Academia Sinica has a tool at http://sinocal.sinica.edu.tw/ that converts dates from Chinese to Western calendar. It works from late Western Han and afterward. Zhou dynasty calendars are far more complicated and not supported by the tool. For dates not supported, you'll just have to find a modern academic source that has already done the conversion. -Zanhe (talk) 07:09, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
As much as I value your contributions and hate to see you blocked again, I'm afraid the evidence on ANI is quite damning. When you are unblocked in the future, remember to stay away from making personal attacks or playing tricks with page archiving. People are not stupid, you know, especially administrators patrolling ANI. -Zanhe (talk) 06:00, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
Ching Tsai Loo
Hi again -- I've started an article on the art dealer and de facto cultural ambassador, Ching Tsai Loo. Any suggestions or improvements very welcome! Especially for ideas on how to tie him into other articles which develop the "East/West" mutual cultural interchange theme. Hope all goes well. ch (talk) 15:04, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
@CWH: thanks for another awesome article, I never knew about the interesting life story behind this famous art dealer! I'm preparing for my summer travels now and there's still some unfinished business to take care of. So I may not have too much time to work on the article, but I'll see what I can do to help. Good thing is that it's already in a very good shape! -Zanhe (talk) 20:45, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
Thanks! No rush and no big deal, it's just that working on something intensively I lose track of what things look like, and you have a good eye and a good feel for how things fit together. ch (talk) 22:33, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
On 24 June 2014, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Li Shaohong, which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Li Shaohong, China's top woman film director, joined the army at the age of 14? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Li Shaohong. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Hi my friend. Apropos the conversation that we had a while ago re location maps I'm thinking of making a shiny new OSM derived map of Shanghai. However, although Chongming County is officially part of the city proper, it will mess up the scale if I include it. Do you think it would work to have "Shanghai downtown" as a separate location map? Cheers, Philg88 ♦talk06:02, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
@Philg88: A shiny new map of Shanghai would be a godsend, and a downtown map would be especially helpful! Most interesting places in Shanghai seem to be concentrated within the Inner Ring Road. Do you think that would be a good definition of downtown? -Zanhe (talk) 07:35, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
Ring road seems sensible, maybe just a tad outside. The main issue was the dumping of Chongming County. I'll start this next week when I finish the current (mammoth) WWII map project. Thanks for the input, Best Philg88 ♦talk07:59, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
The Redirect Barnstar
I thought I was doing well with my 300 redirects, but then I noticed you'd created almost 2,000 of them! Redirects are crucial to ensure that readers find what they want. I award you this rarely used ***Redirect Barnstar*** to thank you for your sustained efforts in developing this neglected aspect of our encyclopedia. Keep up the good work! Madalibi (talk) 06:41, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
@Madalibi: I don't know if I really deserve this, as I have no idea how to verify that I've actually created that many redirects :-) Thanks so much for your kindness! -Zanhe (talk) 08:01, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
Xtools will tell you everything you need to know. Some redirects are the result of page moves (about 100 of mine are), but with 1981 redirects, you definitely created a lot of them manually, and that's why you deserve this barnstar! Madalibi (talk) 08:51, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
On 29 June 2014, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Ji (surname 季), which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that the Chinese surnames Ji, Ji, and Ji are pronounced differently in Cantonese? You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
On 29 June 2014, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Ji (surname 吉), which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that the Chinese surnames Ji, Ji, and Ji are pronounced differently in Cantonese? You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
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I'm not sure it should be redirected to Chongming County, since I just discovered a significant albeit small part of the northern shore belongs to the Jiangsu cities of Haimen and Qidong. Perhaps we can work on making it a separate article? TLA3x ♭ → ♮04:34, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
You're absolutely correct. In addition to the difference you noted, Chongming County also includes two fairly large islands, Changxing and Hengsha, neither of which has an article. The redirect is only a temporary measure, as there is about 80-90% overlap between the island and the county. It would be great if you could work on expanding/creating the articles. However, I'll be travelling most of the summer and won't be able to make any substantial contribution in the next two months. -Zanhe (talk) 06:23, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
Then have fun travelling. I haven't had the luxury of a vacation outlasting a week for quite a few years. xP TLA3x ♭ → ♮06:47, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
@OccultZone: Burmese names are a class of their own, with no surnames but many honorifics. I don't know how Lin Tin Kyaw should be properly sorted. -Zanhe (talk) 19:08, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
Given that you have recently commented on the ANI concerning the behaviour of an editor on the Uyghur people page, I'm wondering if you are interested in offering an opinion on the continuing problem here or what should be done about his edits. I've been trying to fit his edits into something that is readable and properly sourced, but he seems to have an attachment to what he wrote and insists on reverting even when it is pointed out that his edits are written badly and unsourced, or are not relevant to the section concerned. Hzh (talk)
@Hzh: I've reverted his most recent unexplained edit which undid much of your work, while introducing many obvious errors. Please note that I'm travelling for the summer and probably won't be able to follow up on the development. -Zanhe (talk) 19:14, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for your help. Some pages seem to attract more problems than others, and it is a lot of work to keep them in some sort of shape. I will probably not keep a close eye on that article because there are many more that require attention and are far less troublesome. Hzh (talk) 20:50, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
Hope your holiday is going well. I was wondering if, assuming you have the time, you could check Sam Poo Kong and see if the Indonesian transliteration (likely from Hokkian) is also the standard Mandarin one. 07:58, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
On 14 July 2014, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article C. T. Loo, which you recently nominated. The fact was ... that art dealer C. T. Loo fell in love with a French milliner, but married her 15-year-old daughter instead? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/C. T. Loo. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
On 17 July 2014, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Su Rong, which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Su Rong is the highest-ranking Chinese official to come under investigation for corruption during the presidency of Xi Jinping? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Su Rong. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
You're very welcome, Dougweller, I know how frustrating it is to deal with disruptive POV pushers. Interestingly, while browsing the Sockpuppet investigations page linked from your message, I discovered an open SPI case against myself, initiated by a user who does little but edit warring and POV pushing. -Zanhe (talk) 04:57, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
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Which Liu Fei?
Thanks for pointing out that I'd mistaken the gentleman's identity. Would you be so kind as to point me in the direction of the page where this interesting discovery should go, or indeed to tell me what the title of the page should be so that I can start it? Richard Keatinge (talk) 08:31, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
You're welcome. The names of the two princes are spelled the same in English, but their Chinese characters are different. The king/prince of Jiangdu does not currently have an article on English WP, though he has a stub on Chinese Wikipedia (zh:劉非). If you'd like to start a page, the title under the current naming convention should be Liu Fei, Prince of Jiangdu, and the existing Liu Fei should be moved to Liu Fei, Prince of Qi (the Kaogu article translates the title as King, but WP still uses the more traditional "prince" translation). I'm still travelling right now, but will be able to contribute next week when I get home. -Zanhe (talk) 01:33, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
Much obliged. I have started Liu Fei, Prince of Jiangdu using the information from the Chinese Archaeology article and from a couple of our relevant articles. I have not ventured to add anything else at all since I'd be likely to commit some other gross blunder. I hope you can improve the article. Richard Keatinge (talk) 10:28, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
Your recent editing history at Neville Maxwell shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. Being involved in an edit war can result in your being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you don't violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly.
I count three, unless you include the edit that added the Garver quote per your request on the talk page. Three is of course too many, but I got carried away when I saw someone with a history of uncriticallyadding partisan sources to controversial articles all of a sudden become so critical of a neutral, academic source. -Zanhe (talk) 20:37, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
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Hello, I just wanted to introduce myself as a fellow editor interested in China-related topics. I noticed you have made some wonderful contributions to this area, and have been copy-editing some recent article creations related to the corruption cases since 2013. Keep up the good work! I have been browsing around the template {{CPCCorruption2013}} to do some copy-editing and it is great to have help. These articles were mostly created by a single user, Huangdan2060. I have left some tips for this user to make these articles more in line with ordinarily accepted Wiki-standards. I'd much appreciate if you could lend a helping hand with cleaning up these articles and creating new ones, including articles about those officials who are of similar rank but have not been investigated (currently it seems we just have a large number of corrupt sub-provincial level officials with full articles but many national level officials who have very little coverage). Colipon+(Talk) 17:59, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
Hi Colipon, great to hear from you. I wrote a few dozen current province- and minister-level politicians last year, because no one else was doing it. But to be honest, I much prefer to write about history and art than the (mostly) colourless apparatchiks. Unfortunately, there's so much to write (there are several hundred articles on my mental to-do list) and so few people are contributing in a meaningful way, that I feel burned out sometimes. One top of that, you get those persistent POV pushers to deal with. Sigh. -Zanhe (talk) 04:48, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
I totally understand. I think I just got a little excited because I saw other users (such as you and Huangdan2060) taking interest in articles in the arcane world of Chinese officialdom and needed some friends. I prefer writing about history as well.
Might I suggest while we are on this topic that we unify the way by which we write titles of Shengwei Shuji on Wikipedia. Currently there have been many variations - Communist Party Chief, party chief, party boss, party head, Party Secretary, Communist Party Secretary, Secretary of CPC Committee, and so forth. We should pick one and stick with it. What do you think? I personally prefer "Communist Party Secretary of [X]" in the introduction of an article and infoboxes, and "party chief" thereafter. Huangdan's views are welcome as well. Colipon+(Talk) 04:01, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
Huangdan2060 has been doing great work creating all those articles, even though they sometimes need a bit of copyediting. I see that you used to be a lot more active a few years ago. Are you considering resuming your previous level of contribution? I'm sure there are a lot of things we can work together on. I agree with your suggestion about the Party Secretary translation, and I don't think I'd been consistent in the past, just going with whatever English source I was using at the time. -Zanhe (talk) 06:38, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
I do wish more users like Huangdan would come around. We need more people creating articles. The rest of the community will copy-edit them in due time. I myself have began creating some articles lately because I have been inspired somewhat, though I cannot forsee resuming my previous levels of contribution. That said I am happy to work together on things where I can contribute, time permitting. One irritating thing about Wikipedia is that there are requirements to source things even though the subject is unlikely to ever be terribly contentious; more over the proliferation of 'meta-elements' of articles such as category division schemes, birth and death data, infoboxes, templates, etc., they all create more work with more code. I just want to write so this is a bit of a turn-off. What are your areas of focus now? Which era of history do you write about? I favourite historical subjects are the Cultural Revolution and Qing Dynasty. Colipon+(Talk) 18:52, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
I know, getting references and categories right is tedious, although you get a hang of it after a while. My main areas of interest are the most ancient (pre-Qin, mainly Zhou dynasty) and the most recent (ROC and PRC until the end of the Cultural Revolution). I also enjoy writing about film history, art history, and biographies of scholars. Unfortunately I spend too much time doing maintenance work, and not enough time writing. Thanks for your new articles Gu Mu and Ji Dengkui. Now I can cross out two from my mental to-do list. -Zanhe (talk) 04:33, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for your contributions too! I'm glad that our disagreement resulted in something positive. Maybe we'll find something else to collaborate on in the future. Cheers! -Zanhe (talk) 05:21, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
On 26 September 2014, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Larry Wortzel, which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that seven-term U.S. Congressional commissioner Larry Wortzel is considered one of the top American experts on China's military strategy? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Larry Wortzel. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Hello my friend, how are you? It has been quite long time since we talked. Can you please review this DYK nomination? I have written this DYK after a long time so can you please review?? Thank you very much. JimCarter(from public cyber)15:46, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
Chinese artists and monarchs
Thank you for quality articles on Chinese topics, culture, such as the China Art Museum, and its people, monarchs and politicians, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!
On 1 October 2014, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Tang Yijie, which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Tang Yijie, who died in September 2014, spearheaded a project to compile all the known classics about Confucianism? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Tang Yijie. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
I expect you to change the title. It is Plagiarism, BLP violation, and long-term POV pushing by User:The Discoverer, make it Plagiarism, BLP violation, Copyright infringement and long-term POV pushing by User:The Discoverer. Just for user preference. Thank you. Bladesmulti (talk) 23:00, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
Bladesmulti, thanks for uncovering the The Discoverer's history of copyright infringement; I missed that. Your suggestion makes sense given the new information you added, but since other users have already commented, I'm reluctant to modify it in the middle of the discussion. And "plagiarism" somewhat covers "copyright infringement" anyway. Cheers! -Zanhe (talk) 03:53, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
See my response at his talk page; I removed part of what I'd told him (I'd messed up, having misread the ANI discussion), but I'm strongly leaning against making any other changes. Nyttend (talk) 23:40, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
Thanks & a question on Lady Meng
Thanks (once again!) for the work on Lady Meng Jiang, but I wanted to clarify on your comment on removing the "Chinese name" template: "actually, her name follows the pre-Qin convention for Chinese women: Meng means eldest, and Jiang is her ancestral surname)."
The story, as I understand it, up to at least the Han and more likely the Tang, concerned Qi Liang's Wife, not Meng. Don't later versions treat Meng as her family name? I'm wondering if we shouldn't mention this at some point, but I don't have a reference to either the pre-Qin usage or to a way of adding that "Meng" as a family name came only later (if indeed it did). If you have to spend more than 2 minutes on this, then let's just let things stand the way they are, since it doesn't affect anything important one way or the other. Cheers, ch (talk) 19:53, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
CWH, thanks for your excellent work expanding the article! Ancient Chinese naming systems are very complex and long forgotten by the general public (even Sima Qian got it wrong sometimes), and most people do assume Meng to be her surname. The most comprehensive scholarly work I've seen on the subject is this book, which unfortunately is not readable online (I own a copy but have only read bits of it). A few other books, which specifically discuss Lady Meng Jiang's name and the pre-Qin naming convention, are available on Google, such as this and this. Also see Wen Jiang, another noblewoman from Qi with a similar name. Cheers! -Zanhe (talk) 21:45, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
CWH, I was in a hurry and misread part of your question. As I understand it, Qi Liang's wife is the prototype of Meng Jiang, it's just she wasn't given a name until the Tang dynasty. The name she was given, Meng Jiang, would have been a very common one for women in the state of Qi, as Jiang was the royal surname of the state, and Meng means the eldest child (who is not born to the main wife). See this book. -Zanhe (talk) 04:25, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for the response at the Discoverer's talk, but I'd rather not have a conversation between us at his talk page. Before writing my note to him, I attempted to read the USMC publication that you linked, but for whatever reason, the site wouldn't let me view it, so I'm treating it as an offline source, just like the Maxwell book that's not online. [Note that this next sentence sounds really offensive. I'm really sorry; I don't know how better to put it!] With all of the offline sources, I'm trying to start off by not assuming that either of you is telling the truth about the sources: I want to investigate for myself and make a decision, influenced by you and by him but not relying on your or his assessments of what's going on when I can't see for myself, since both of you are parties to the decision; I want to treat both of you equally, and I can't simply assume good faith because it's clearly not possible for both of you to be doing the right thing. That's why I've relied on viewing the Maxwell book that's online via scribd; I'm inclined to believe you because your statements of his behavior with other sources matches what I can see of his behavior with that source. However, I still don't want to take any actions based solely on your perspective; I'm going to wait until I can see things for myself or until your perspective is supported by someone who's not been involved in here at all. I wish I were more familiar with the topic, but modern India is very far from my expertise. Nyttend (talk) 01:05, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
Something different this time! It's for a Dutchman! Pah Wongso had a Chinese wife, and was active in the Chinese Indonesian community. I was wondering if this could be his name rendered in Hokkian or Mandarin. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:23, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
@Crisco 1492: Yes, that seems almost certainly to be his name written in Chinese characters. Searching his Chinese name, the only thing I found was a bio of Wu Cun (Wu Tsun), the director of Pah Wongso Tersangka. Wu was a Chinese director and writer who escaped to the Dutch East Indies after the Japanese invasion. He was also the original lyricist of Rose, Rose, I Love You. Interesting connection! I'll write a quick bio about him when I have time. -Zanhe (talk) 22:37, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
Wow, thanks! I've got a short Indonesian-language article from 1941 here, so I can use that to help you expand. Just ping me when you've started. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:25, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
Oh, thanks for writing about this really interesting person. I read the whole article and found it fascinating. -Zanhe (talk) 23:44, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
Indeed. A few similarities to myself, actually. Save for the starring in movies . I'm curious if his employment office/school is still open. Wongso died forty years ago, so I'd be surprised, but it is possible. I've never been to Blandongan, though I've passed down nearby Gadjah Mada St. a few times. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:41, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
Hello, good to see you continue the article creation drive! I think we should talk about how to unify the formatting of pinyin and Chinese characters at the beginning of articles, namely, would you prefer that they appear in the opening line using template {{zh|c=}}... or would you prefer relegating everything to the infobox {{Chinese}}? Personally, I like having at least the original Chinese name in the opening line, but we can exclude the pinyin and other romanizations (exceptions can be made). The reason I don't like having everything in an infobox (such as what user Huangdan has been doing) is because the subjects of some of these articles is only really known within the Chinese-speaking community, or in some cases, almost everything that has been written about them is in the Chinese language. As such it should be immediately apparent to the reader what the subject's Chinese name is. For example in the article on Zhao Hongzhu, I would be in favour of keeping the infobox, but retaining at least a Simplified Chinese name in parentheses in the opening line; the traditional Chinese and pinyin can go in the infobox. Colipon+(Talk) 15:51, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
I don't have a strong opinion on this, except that the lead should not be cluttered with more than two permutations of foreign language terms. Keeping one instance of the most widely used Chinese representation in the lead, while moving to rest to the infobox, is probably the best approach. So your proposal wrt Zhao Hongzhu sounds good to me. -Zanhe (talk) 19:40, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
Hundred family surnames
Ji was the ancestral name of the kings of Zhou and Wu. This book was written during the song dynasty. The descendants of Zhou changed their surname from Ji to Zhou during the Qin dynasty. Same with the descendants of Fuchai of Wu, so what I put there is not "nonsense". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.172.46.132 (talk) 05:43, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
The descendants can change their surnames to whatever they want, but that does not retrospectively change the surnames of their ancestors. -Zanhe (talk) 05:52, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
They changed their surnames to honor their respective states/country. Tell me, since Gugong Danfu's (pre dynastic Zhou's leader) oldest son, TAIBO is the starter of WU, and JILI(Danfu's youngest son)was the heir and his grandson started the Zhou dynasty...you really can't see the significance of the surnames "Zhou" and "Wu" being one of the first names of the poem? If it is so unimportant and insignificant as you claim, then please explain why it is up there with the other "elite" surnames. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.172.46.132 (talk) 06:12, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
According to Song dynasty scholar Wang Mingqing, Zhou, Wu, Zheng, Wang were the surnames of the wives of Qian Chu, the last emperor of Wuyue. They have nothing to do with the Zhou dynasty or the Wu kingdom. If they ancient kings were so important, then Ji and Liu would be ranked much higher. -Zanhe (talk) 06:40, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
DYK for Zai Yu
On 10 November 2014, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Zai Yu, which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Confucius compared his disciple Zai Yu to rotten wood because he slept during the day? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Zai Yu. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
On 12 November 2014, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Ran Qiu, which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that although Ran Qiu was severely criticized by Confucius, he is still considered one of the Master's top ten disciples? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Ran Qiu. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
On 17 November 2014, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Zhong You, which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that when Confucius learned that his disciple Zilu(pictured) had been pickled, he ordered that all the pickle in his house be thrown away? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Zhong You. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
On 21 November 2014, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Leishu, which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that the largest leishu encyclopedia ever printed contained 852,408 pages? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Leishu. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Hello, Zanhe! You inspired me to attempt some more DYK's. I thought I would ask you the favour of reviewing this article for me for DYK... there is virtually no mention of this person in the English-speaking world, but he has been a favourite topic for Chinese-language media outlets. Regards, Colipon+(Talk) 05:41, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
Great to see your increased contributions, they are badly needed! I'll be glad to review the DYK, hopefully in a day or two. And no need to apologize for not having English sources. There are several DYK contributors who can read Chinese. And other reviewers will generally AGF on sources they cannot read. -Zanhe (talk) 06:57, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
Hi, I just approved your DYK nomination of this article. I think you do a very good job avoiding close paraphrasing. There was just one complete phrase that I put in quotes; you may wish to rewrite it in your own words. I'd also like to note that the Slingerland source doesn't use the word junzi, just "gentleman". You may wish to add another cite to that sentence, perhaps the Wu Xiaoyun one? Best, Yoninah (talk) 23:17, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for your review and improvement to the article, Yoninah. I rephrased the sentence, and added a Chinese language source for the "junzi" cite. Cheers! -Zanhe (talk) 04:22, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
On 3 December 2014, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Go Seigen, which you substantially updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page.
On 10 December 2014, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Kongzi Jiayu, which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that scholars concluded that The School Sayings of Confucius(1895 cover pictured) was a 3rd-century forgery, before similar texts were discovered in tombs dating centuries earlier? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Kongzi Jiayu. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
HYH.124, thanks for your continued contributions (and glad that you came out of your retirement). The List of provincial leaders of China actually was created by User:ASDFGH, and I only updated it. It seems that all essential info (except the refs) in your list on the zh-wiki is already included in the existing list of provincial leaders, and I don't really see the need to create a separate one. Cheers, -Zanhe (talk) 06:20, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
Glad you enjoyed reading them, Icely88, and thanks for your encouragement! I don't really have that much knowledge; I only know where to find reliable sources of it :-) -Zanhe (talk) 19:50, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
Discard of Good Will
Your discard of good will(good faith) that you will no longer engage in constructive editing on Korean topics and and to go further in threatening me with disruptive ANI attempts to ban me from Korea-related article is very troublesome. I've made an appropriate response at ANI, where I shall see to it that your dishonest attempt of intimidation will not go unanswered. And once again, I have not made any racist remarks on that convenient website of yours, and your accusation on such grounds pretty much threw away good faith and deeply offended me. Cydevil38 (talk) 08:20, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
On 12 December 2014, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Zeng Dian, which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that when Confucius asked his disciples to express their ambitions, Zeng Dian said he only wanted to bathe in the river, relax in the breezes, and sing? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Zeng Dian. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Hi Jim Cartar, sorry I was busy yesterday and only had a few minutes for Wikipedia. Looks like someone beat me to it and already started the review. I'll try to act faster next time. Cheers, -Zanhe (talk) 20:26, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
Thank you very much, Zanhe. DYK is not broken like RfA only because of kind editors like you. Thank you again. Have a nice day! JimCarter13:44, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
DYK for Gao Chai
On 14 December 2014, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Gao Chai, which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Confucius considered Gao Chai unintelligent because he was very short and ugly? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Gao Chai. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Do you think this should be placed back from being automatic archived? Because I think it will once again go like last time with no decision, which is very detrimental. It needs a decision. And frankly, the user has once again propped-up his/her centric views while not giving due weight to all information as cited in sources at Gojoseon, removing them even. Too bad it's a busy time at the moment for me. And even though the RFC is against the user, I think that the little input of other users will just leave the article with one thing: the user pushing his/her views once again against sources and consensus. --Cold Season (talk) 21:53, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the note, Cold Season. Unfortunately, the nature of Wikipedia makes it difficult to deal with determined POV pushers who are not excessively uncivil, especially in topics that most admins are not familiar with. See WP:Civil POV pushing. As the holidays are approaching, I'll have little time for Wikipedia in the next few weeks, so I guess we'll just let it slide this time. If he persists in pushing his POV too far in the future, then we'll try 3RR and/or ANI again with the new evidence. My hope is that he'll read some of the scholarly sources provided and get to understand the whole background of the issue, not just from the narrow nationalistic point of view. -Zanhe (talk) 09:04, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
Focus on progress in improving articles or stopping the actions that are detrimental to articles... choices, I guess. Inaction is a rather despicable situation. But you're right, we've wasted too much time on the user's actions. Cheers, Cold Season (talk) 18:18, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
DYK for Shang Qu
On 21 December 2014, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Shang Qu, which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that according to legend, Shang Qu predicted the exact time of Confucius' death? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Shang Qu. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
