User talk:VegardNormanWelcomeWelcome! Hello, VegardNorman, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:
I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your messages on discussion pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically insert your username and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or ask your question on this page and then place AbgarRe Agbar the black -- this subject is covered at Abgar V of Edessa. NawlinWiki (talk) 22:35, 10 January 2008 (UTC) 3RRPlease refrain from undoing other people's edits repeatedly, as you are doing at Assyrian people. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. Rather than reverting, discuss disputed changes on the talk page. The revision you want is not going to be implemented by edit warring. Thank you. — EliasAlucard (Discussion · contribs) 11:25, 11 January 2008 (UTC) Please refrain from undoing other people's edits repeatedly, as you are doing at Syriacs. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. Rather than reverting, discuss disputed changes on the talk page. The revision you want is not going to be implemented by edit warring. Thank you. — EliasAlucard (Discussion · contribs) 05:08, 25 January 2008 (UTC) Your recent editsSome points to note:
Thanks. – Steel 00:10, 29 January 2008 (UTC) Persistent vandalismHello. It's great that you finally acknowledge the fact that you are into vandalism here.[1] You will soon get blocked indefinitely from Wikipedia. — EliasAlucard / Discussion 14:30, 21 February 2008 (UTC) Lets try againWhat do you think of possibly moving Western Assyrians to Western Syriacs. I don't think you understand that a Syriac is a wide term that refers to ALL Syriac-speaking people of Mesopotamia, including ACOE and Chaldean Catholics. So that is why it doesn't make sense for your to have Syriac people that talkins about Syriac Orthodox and Syriac Catholic alone. If you wan't a page that deals with Syriac Orthodox/Catholic members that do not want to be associated with Assyrians, then I think Western Syriacs would be a neutral solution. You need to understand the fact that a typical Chaldean like me don't call ourself Assyrian (even thou we identify with Assyrian culture), but rather SURAYA, a reference to Syriac. So for you to create this dubious page of Syriac People doesn't make sense, since Chaldeans are Syriacs and so are ACOE Assyrians. Chaldean (talk) 23:54, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
Hello, VegardNorman. You have new messages at PseudoOne's talk page.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template. PseudoOne 00:28, 1 March 2008 (UTC) Vegard, that is fine if you think that, and I told you, you can use Western Syriacs as the page to make that point. But please try to remember that WIKI pages need to be neutral, and needs to talk about both side (for and against the Aramean connection), just like the way it is on the Assyrian people page. Chaldean (talk) 00:31, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
See, its edits like this [[3]] that bother me about you. You cant just change things like that. Those numbers are SOURCED, yet you change them? Edits like that will refraim other wiki users to work with you. Chaldean (talk) 00:59, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
Amen. But perhaps it would suffice to restart the Syriac Christianity WikiProject, where these issues can be discussed. --Benne ['bɛnə] (talk) 18:04, 1 March 2008 (UTC) indeed. you guys need a board comparable to Wikipedia:Greek and Turkish wikipedians cooperation board. Whichever side will be the first to recognize that the other has a certain relevance will have the advantage in the Wikipedia consensus system. As long as you just continue infighting Elias-style, you'll just cancel each other out and annoy uninvolved Wikipedians. I can see a "slash" solution for Assyrian people (Assyrian/Syriac people or similar), but the creation of WP:CFORKs over naming preferences will not be tolerated. dab (𒁳) 09:55, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
your behaviouryou are not acting constructively. You are creating content forks and messing up disambiguation pages. You want to argue for a move to a more neutral title on Talk:Assyrian people, where I would conceivable give a certain amount of support to your position. Just creating havoc with article titles and disambiguation pages will not result in the effect you desire, and will likely just get you banned from editing. dab (𒁳) 09:51, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
The Western Syriacs are not only Arameans its also Assyrians! March 2008Hi, the recent edit you made to Talk:Syriac-Aramaic identity has been reverted, as it appears to be unconstructive. Use the sandbox for testing; if you believe the edit was constructive, ensure that you provide an informative edit summary. You may also wish to read the introduction to editing. Thanks. Steve Crossin (talk) 12:55, 2 March 2008 (UTC) The recent edit you made to Syriac-Aramean people constitutes vandalism, and has been reverted. Please do not continue to vandalize pages; use the sandbox for testing. Thanks. The Helpful One (Review) 13:22, 2 March 2008 (UTC)) DiscussionShlomo, I urge you to discuss your edits first, before starting to move articles on your own. I agree that the current situation is far from satisfying, but we shouldn't fall into the same trap that other editors (including myself) have fallen into, since this is a highly sensitive issue. --Benne ['bɛnə] (talk) 22:17, 3 March 2008 (UTC) VegardNorman, stop recreating the Syriac-Aramaean people content fork. See WP:CFORK. I am not opposed to moving Western Syriacs to Syriac-Aramaean people. This will be a move. The article you keep recreating is just a duplication of the article under another title. Don't do this. Listen: I tend to support your solution of making "Assyrians/Syriacs" the standard name used on Wikipedia. This would also mean we move Assyrian people to Assyrian/Syriac people. But you cannot just move things around unilaterally. You need to discuss this first, at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Syriac). dab (𒁳) 07:59, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
very well. Be advised that if you don't stop your edit-warring and assume a more cooperative attitude, you may find yourself blocked for disruption rather soon. dab (𒁳) 13:52, 5 March 2008 (UTC) Be advised that if you don't stop your edit-warring and assume a more cooperative attitude.. Absolutly :).. can i now upload my article in Syriac-Aramaean people? VegardNorman (talk) 18:09, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
I will support a move of Assyrian people to Syriac/Assyrian people. I will not accept your creation of content forks at random titles just because you failed to move the article to your preferred location. If you continue, I will see to it that you are blocked under the disruption clause. Which will be a pity, since I actually support your aim of moving the article to a more neutral title. dab (𒁳) 13:02, 8 March 2008 (UTC) Moving pagesDid we not agree that we would first discuss something before moving it? Why did you move the list of Assyrian villages page, as well as the Assyrian diaspora? And why are you linking Assyriansl like Kennedy Bakircioglü and Andreas Haddad to the Aramean-Syriac page? These people have no connection to the Aramean identity what so ever. I thought we agreed that only those who clearly identify themselves as Aramean, would so be labeled as such. Lets make this clear once again; only those who consider themselves as Aramean should be labeled as Syriac-Aramean people. You cant force an identity on others.Chaldean (talk) 00:10, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
Final warningEvidently, warnings left by non-admins were not sufficient, so let me try mine: If you move another page without consensus, I will block you from editing. Page moves - especially controversial ones - require discussion. If you want to move a page, file a request here and discuss it properly. This is your last warning. Kafziel Complaint Department 00:26, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
Hi, the recent edit you made to Syriac-Aramean people has been reverted, as it appears to be unconstructive. Use the sandbox for testing; if you believe the edit was constructive, ensure that you provide an informative edit summary. You may also wish to read the introduction to editing. Thanks. J.delanoygabsadds 11:49, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
RampageI see that your on a anti-Assyrian rampage and deleting anything you don't like that is Assyrian related. Let it be known that if your going to continue to remove sourced information, you will be gone like Elias. I can easily push for Syriac people to be redirected to Assyrian people, so don't push it. Chaldean (talk) 03:44, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
SyriacsShlomo, I've been bothering dab to move the article to West Syriacs, which is for the moment the best choice, I think. Not perfect, but at least better than Syriacs (Jacobites). Syriacs would in my opinion not be appropriate, since that name (being an English rendering of Sur(y)āye) is also applied to Assyrian Church of the East members and Chaldaean Catholics. Instead of moving articles yourself, perhaps you could join in the discussion. I have been struggling against the Assyrianisation of everything Syriac for quite some time now, and I think we should have the following articles:
The Chaldaeans - being all members of the Chaldaean Catholic Church - can be dealt with in the CCC article, just like the Maronites. In other articles, I believe the term Syriacs should be used, perhaps like this: Syriacs (Aramaeans, Assyrians, Chaldaeans). We need to co-operate here, the debate is heated enough. By pushing our cause, we don't get very far. --Benne ['bɛnə] (talk) 17:04, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
Vegard, as I have told you previously, I am here to work with you in a friendly manner, but please don't push it with your unhelpful edits. As dab asked me once, you need to ask yourself are you here to create encyclopedic articles or just go on a nationalist campaign on Wikipeida. Be bold in your edits, but also be realistic and truthful. What excuse do you have for edits like this? Chaldean (talk) 00:06, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
Vegard, thats not how it works. Instead go to WP:RM and follow the steps. If your having dificulty, let me know. Chaldean (talk) 23:26, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
Its not about making me happy, its about facts. If you can't bring facts to the table, then you are obligated to scrutiny. Where does it say 1.5 million in Syria? Why do you continue using Maglomatis? Did I not explain how he is not considered reliable to you? Do you want me to get Dab back in this so that he can totally blow this up? Chaldean (talk) 14:33, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
" I have just started to read books about modern syriacs and ancient arameans. " - that is interesting, why don't your read a quick history lesson on our people written by a Syriac Orthodox himself from Harput name Eprim Yeldiz [[9]]. Chaldean (talk) 14:46, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
As promised...You have been blocked for persistent page moves without discussion.[10] You may resume constructive editing after the block expires, but continued disruption will result in longer blocks without further warning. Kafziel Complaint Department 23:11, 1 April 2008 (UTC) Speedy deletion of Aramaic Democratic OrganizationA tag has been placed on Aramaic Democratic Organization requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A3 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is an article with no content whatsoever, or whose contents consist only of external links, "See also" section, book reference, category tag, template tag, interwiki link, rephrasing of the title, or an attempt to contact the subject of the article. Please see Wikipedia:Stub for our minimum information standards for short articles. Also please note that articles must be on notable subjects and should provide references to reliable sources that verify their content. If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{Syriacs-stub}}Hi - a stub template or category which you created has been nominated for deletion or renaming at Wikipedia:Stub types for deletion. The stub type, which was not proposed at Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals, does not meet the standard requirements for a stub type, either through being incorrectly named, ambiguously scoped, or through failure to meet standards relating to the current stub hierarchy or likely size, as explained at Wikipedia:Stub. Please feel free to make any comments at WP:SFD regarding this stub type, and in future, please consider proposing new stub types first! Grutness...wha? 01:35, 4 April 2008 (UTC) I'm not an admin.Furthermore, I reverted the page edit in question because he blanked the page as opposed to creating a redirect or editing the page in a 'helpful' way. I have literally no interest in the subject matter whatsoever - I was simply reverting an 'incorrect' edit. HalfShadow (talk) 22:04, 13 April 2008 (UTC) 3RRPlease refrain from undoing other people's edits repeatedly, as you are doing at History of the Syriac people. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. Rather than reverting, discuss disputed changes on the talk page. The revision you want is not going to be implemented by edit warring. Thank you. Chaldean (talk) 23:24, 13 April 2008 (UTC) I don't know whats going on but the move war is unpleasant. Can we please end the move war. I do not care one bit what the page is named. -- Cat chi? 19:49, 14 April 2008 (UTC) NotePlease read this policy a good few times. Then think about abiding by it. Your recent editing has been highly disruptive and you are well on the way to a lengthy block for general time-wasting. Moreschi2 (talk) 14:33, 15 April 2008 (UTC) HeyHey there, who is unmoving all those pages you moved to neutral names?--Yohanun (talk) 00:28, 19 November 2008 (UTC) AfD nomination of Bahro SuryoyoI have nominated Bahro Suryoyo, an article that you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bahro Suryoyo. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time. OliverTwisted (Talk) (Stuff) 05:48, 24 December 2008 (UTC) An article you created is about to be deleted: Tools which can help youThe article you created, Bahro_Suryoyo is about to be deleted from Wikipedia. There is an ongoing debate about whether your article should be deleted here: The faster your respond, the better chance the article you created can be saved. This is because deletion debates only stay open for a few days, and the first comments are usually the most important. There are several tools and other editors who can help you keep the page from being deleted forever:
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