Yes, sure. Wait! Does that mean, after article is featured it becomes semi/full protected and edits are no longer possible to random users, except administrators?.Sportomanokin (talk) 23:05, 15 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
No, no, protection is only used for articles that are targets of vandalism. That should not be the case here. Great then :) I'll work on the nomination in the following days. --Tone23:25, 15 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Please check the talkpage of Prevc's article. I wrote down some points that we should fix before the nomination. I think you have the best knowledge here ;) --Tone15:58, 17 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
List of longest ski jumps
Hi Sportomanokin,
Thanks for the redaction of List of longest ski jumps which is a good article. A few days ago, I left a message on the talk page and you probably didn't see it. I found articles about Henry Hall's record. I think there is a mistake because at the Steamboat Springs 1918 ski festival the weather was bad and it seems that no world record were beaten that year. --Shev123 (talk) 12:40, 11 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. Every source is very helpful. I didn't notice your post. I've manage to source almost all WRs. There are still some doubts, so if you could find any direct old newspaper sourcess connected to next world records with full dates and sent links for:
Valid records
1881 - 22 metres (72 ft) by Sveinung Svalastoga -- Oslo N
1886 - 26 metres (85 ft) by Johannes Nordgården -- Seljord N
28 February 1909 - 45 metres by Harald Smith -- Davos N (exact day? 28th February claimed by skisprungschanzen.com, more reliable source)
19 February 1933 - 86 metres (282 ft) by Sigmund Ruud -- Villars N
5 February 1899 - 32.5 metres (107 ft) by Asbjørn Nilssen -- Bærum
5 February 1899 - 32.5 metres (107 ft) by Morten Hansen -- Bærum
21 February 1909 - 43 metres (141 ft) by Harald Smith -- Bardonecchia
18 February 1912 - 47 metres (156 ft) by Gunnar Andersen -- Geithus, Modum
12 January 1930 - 75 metres (246 ft) by Adolph Badr -- Pontresina
24 February 1931 81.5 metres (267.4 ft) by Sigmund Ruud -- Davos
26 February 1933 - 87 metres (285 ft) by Henri Ruchet -- Villars
15 March 1933 - 87.5 metres (287 ft) by Robert Lymburneutt -- Revelstoke
Unofficial/falls/invalid world distance records??
21 or 22 March 1891 - Gustav Bye claimed he jumped 33 metres in on Blybergbakken in Blyberget, Trondheim. One source that can not be open. N
16 February 1913 - 161 and 165 ft by Barney Riley -- Ironwood N (both crashes; not clear if before of after Ragnar Omtdvedt set 169 ft WR, all on the same day)
March 1923 - 71.3 metres (234 ft) by Nels Nelsen -- Revelstoke N (exact day?)
January 1931 - 77.4 metres (254 ft) by Alf Engen -- Salt Lake City N
February 1931 - 79.5 metres (261 ft) by Bronisław Czech -- Ponte di Legno N
1931 - 81.1 metres (266 ft) by Alf Engen -- Salt Lake City N
March 1932 - 82 metres (269 ft) by Sigmund Ruud -- Davos N
January 1935 - 94.8 metres (311 ft) by Alf Engen -- Salt Lake City N
2 March 1913 - 48 metres (157 ft) by Thorleif Knudsen -- Davos
1919 - 62.5 metres (204 ft) by Anders Haugen -- Steamboat Springs
5 February 1924 - 71.6 metres (235 ft) by Nels Nelsen -- Revelstoke
6 February 1924 - 71.6 metres (235 ft) by Nels Nelsen -- Revelstoke
Any sources from any language would be great, so we can finally complete the and source all the world records distances that ever happened. Thanks. Sportomanokin (talk) 13:45, 5 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
O, uaau! Quick response. Thanks. How do you find all this stuff? Fantastic. If you could find as many as possible of them in the near future would be great. Sportomanokin (talk) 09:23, 6 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I am French so it's easy to look into Swiss Archives and I devlopped the french page of Karl Hovelsen who help me to find US sources. For Badrutt in 1930, looks like if fell (Norwegian newspaper, there is nothing in the switzerland press).
Way to go, men! Are there exact dates for 43 and 45 metres? What exactly does "hors concours" mean, i see it in every french article? Unofficial competition, exhibition event, Free training? Sportomanokin (talk) 13:42, 6 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
For the 43 m the source says February (I haven't found more precise). For 45m, it's sunday 28 February 1909. Hors concours means after the offical ski jumping competition. Most of the time, you had 2 jumps for the offical competition and jumpers made some others jumps for the public or just for fun ! Sometimes, they were jumping 2 by 2 (like the Smith brothers). --Shev123 (talk) 14:09, 6 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
For 17 March 1935 - 99.5 metres by Fritz Kainersdörfer -- Ponte di Legno, there is one french source. I will loke for Adolph Badrutt in 1930 but it's not easy (nothing in french press, almost nothing in the swiss).--Shev123 (talk) 14:09, 6 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
We should keep the conversation on one page (this one is mine for me). I found an article on La Stampa for Harald Smith at 43 m but I am not really speaking italian. For Emil Pétersen, he was living in France so he wrote articles/books, he coaches French athletes and he had an excellent reputation in France. I didn't find anything about a world record in other articles.--Shev123 (talk) 17:09, 6 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
OK. Language, as long is latin alphabet, is not a barrier, google translate helps a lot. Title of the article is The great day of skiers (from our special correspondent, 6 February 1910) Google translation: "The two Smith brothers made some wonderful jumps. Trygve Smith set the of length of the day with a jump of 42 meters, but it was not a successful jump, because the blond northern champion, touched the snow, fell and rolled, recovering and rising again only at the end." Found nothing about Harald Smith 43 metres (1909) in this blu article, which as I understand describes competiton on 6 February 1910. Sportomanokin (talk) 18:10, 6 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
This time you gave me the right link, hehe. You are unbelivable, getting all the sources and exact dates at the same time. Keep up the great work. I'm adding all your searched sources, that are still missing into the main article. We need more people like this in the ski jumping section. No, I don't no any. I don't get why some of archives are mostly available, but 5-10% are locked. Sportomanokin (talk) 20:19, 6 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
For Gunnar Andersen, several norwegian sources are saying 47 m (not 47.5) (1 and 2). Norwegian newspapers are all readable 95 years after publication and all the newspaper until 2000 are accessible for Norwegian IP. I need this access for developping good article about nordic combined and I am trying to find a solution (probably a VPN). And a last one for today, 32.5 m for Asbjørn Nilssen. --Shev123 (talk) 21:54, 6 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I just assumed from the American source where it says previous WR 156 ft (=47.5 metres) set in Norway 1912 was beaten for 13 feet by Ragnar Omvedt on 169 ft (51.5 metres) in Ironwood. But all other do claim 47 m. Still many unclarities:
98 and 99 m by Reidar Andersen on 15/3/1935 in Planica mentioned in all statistics. However, Najdaljši skok 99 m (p.7) says he made two jumps at 99 and 99 metres.
81 m by Sigmund Ruud. All modern statistics claim 81.5 m, also in article Luftseilas på ski from 1952.
99 m WR by Kainsdorfer (99.5 in all modern stats), also in article Luftseilas på ski from 1952.
130 m WR by Andreas Däscher on 3/3/1950. No stats mention it, but it is clear that first dascher jumped 130 m, after him Netzell 135 m. According to this article Weiler jumped 133 metres after both of them.
133 m "WR" by Weiler on 3/3/1950: in this article described in unclear order: "Oberstsdorf, 3 March; Today we've seen even longer jumps than yesterday; Klopfer 102, Goring 111, Weiler 133 (?), Kafer and swedish Petersen 120, young Austrian Eder 122, Brutscher 124 (?), Dascher 130. Then swedish Dan Netzell flew 135 m in the air and broke all the previous records."
133 m by Weiler is so confusing. Source 1 and 2 claim this was definetly world record. But again no statistics mentioned it, article 17. svetovni rekord v Oberstdorfu (p.9) doesn't mention neither Dasher (130 m) or Weiler (133 m). And Gantsching as 124 m. Title says Kogler's 180 m was the 17th world record in Oberstdorf. Sportomanokin (talk) 11:10, 7 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Tonight I am looking for old Norwegian records. I may have found something for 1881. In this newspaper (if you search "Richard Blichfeldt"), you found that a Ole Olten may have done a jump at 25m. I am not really sure because it is not easy to read and I am not speaking norwegian anyway.--Shev123 (talk) 17:48, 7 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
This old writing system is almost impossible to read and find anything. I can't find it, could you give me a hints for those articles (page, title, line, section, something). Sportomanokin (talk) 18:42, 7 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
For 1879, the informations are at the end of page 2 after the results (A 1-11, B 1-11 and C 1-11).
For 1881, you are probably right about alen instead of meters. Information is at page 1, end of column 2 (Resultat a) and b)) and then the 25 something.--Shev123 (talk) 19:05, 7 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
On 12 February 1879, according to this article, read pages 90 and 91, Haugen jumped 22 metres during practice, even before he did 20 metres. Why this one isn't present at any statistics list or history books? Hmm, interesting, maybe because it was set on unofficial practice, who knows? Sportomanokin (talk) 19:11, 7 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Hehe, now I found it right away, it definetly says ca. 25 Al.(en). I compared large A and large M in For 1879 article. I'm not sure this is the right article, you should probably search for 13 February 1879 edition (as husebyrennet happened on 12/2/1879). Sportomanokin (talk) 19:36, 7 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
For 1879, I think I have a source for 40 alen... (so 22 m ?), it is here (Aftenposten) at the top of page 2 forth column (Klasse B, Olaf Haugan, 40 ar.). --Shev123 (talk) 19:48, 7 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
For 1881, I think I found a good article in the Aftenposten (race on 8 February, results in the newspaper of 9th). There is a link. It is at page 2, at the top of fourth column. There is sort of ranking with Aasmund Brekke winner of the overall (nordic combined), John Hauge 3rd (49 Al.) and in fifth position Svenning Svalestuan (or something like that). If you look, there is a phrase ..."i hoppet" (so maybe the best jumper).--Shev123 (talk) 22:13, 7 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Mistery for the first 1879 article (page 3, column 1, paragraph 2) is solved. I contacted the Norwegian guy who is sourcing the main Norwegian article and asked him for translation. Haugan is said to have jumped 60 feet (18 m) on that occasion (18/2). The week before (12/2), the same boy had jumped 66 feet (20 m WR). And Kr. is prize money. Sportomanokin (talk) 20:14, 8 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I have made the same deductions ! With your link with germanic letters, I try to translated part of the article and I ended with the same conclusions. So, it's fine. It is going to be to easier with someone who speaks Norwegians for finding the others results. --Shev123 (talk) 20:23, 8 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
For 1881, in the Aftenposten of the 8th of February (you are right, it is not in the 9th), there is one phrase after the name Svenning Svatulen ("Han modtog for fin overlegne Faerdighet i hoppet"). He earned money for his jump (but no distance is indicated). I will continue the search. --Shev123 (talk) 21:54, 8 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Uaau! Great discovery. This article has potential. Well, it looks like this was hill premiere, Korporal Norgaard (Johannes Nordgården?) fell at 27 m WR distance and Olaf Berland stood and obviously he is the one who set world record at 25.5 metres. Hm, interesting, statistics were obviously wrong. See, that's why sources are so important. I'm still waiting for full translation and confirmation. Sportomanokin (talk) 21:53, 12 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Guy from Norway gave me full translation, the competition was on schedule on 24th February (column 4). Maybe there is also something about it in newspaper on 25th February. By the way, there is a reference to the local newspaper Varden for the day before (10 March). Sportomanokin (talk) 11:13, 13 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I already got this 1932 book article, from which quote "While this jump was not made in an official tournament, it is endorsed by the Revelstoke Ski Club, and by affidavits signed by William Jamieson, judge", it is still not clear if this is "official" (recognized) WR or not. And in continuing article that Sigmund Ruud equaled that record shortly after or the same day (?) in Davos, what's up with that jump? Sportomanokin (talk) 18:17, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
This 1930 article is total confusing and unreliable and if this is even about WRs. Everything helps, but newspaper sport articles are more reliable. It says some Norwegian jumped 80.5 metres in March 1930 (fortnight/two week later). Never heard 80 m barrier was broken already in 1930. That Badrut stood at 74 metres in Italy, but the competition was already in January. This Fritz Kaufmann 75 metres, but this article says it was Badrut who jumped 75 metres. Sportomanokin (talk) 18:52, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Norwegian source (and this also) and french article confirmed the 75m of Badrutt. The french article say that the Norwegians weren't happy because they consider Badrutt as a professionnel (he received money and a car after his jump). For Kaufmann, he probably never did a WR, I haven't find a reliable source.--Shev123 (talk) 20:41, 17 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Great we are getting less and less problems to solve. It's even more clear from those articles, which is already known, that Europeans and Americans recognized only their own world records, Kaufmann never made actual world record, so did not Ruud with 72.5 metres, which was obviously considered only by Europe. But in the wolrd record list only actual world records count, doesn't matter if American or European. Very realiable sources for Badrutt, it's clear he set the WR between 14th (claimed on "skisprungchanzen.com") and 20th January. If you could check 15 January 1930 in Norwegian or Swiss media, to confirm the exact date. Lymbourne 287 ft source and date (15/3/33) confirmed, great. Should I put 1886 source into article 25.5 metres as WR and 27 metres WR with fall, did you find anything else, as it doesn't clearly sasy if that was WR or just the distance of the day? Sportomanokin (talk) 13:14, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
For Badrutt, I haven't found the exact date but I think it's on the 19th (nothing good enough in the Swiss press) and the Norwegian articles are dated on the 21st January (and a picture). Several french newspapers announced this world record on the 6 January 1934... In the rechearch, I have found that Fritz Kaufmann did a jump at 78.5 at training but fell.
Badrutt may have done 74.5 m before the 12th... It's complicated, every media are saying something different (different place, different date...). --Shev123 (talk) 13:51, 19 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Great effort you do because FIS Ski Flying World Championships 2020 in Planica is less than a month away. And just before or during ski flying competititons, wiki record list is most clicked and visited. I see often in recent years, that all the media mostly quoting world record list from wiki. This seem more like 73.5 metres by Kaufman or is it 8 (looks like 3 to me)? Does "sans tomber" in this case mean touch the ground, as google translated "without falling"? As far as french press WR list, it's clear they took only European "world records" in consideration at that time, well known fact. Edvard Lillehagen 23 m in 1888 is a bit off in my opinion, that distance was beaten already in 1886 or earlier. Sportomanokin (talk) 18:57, 19 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"sans tomber" means "without falling". For Badrutt, I am trying to find someone who speaks this language because, I only understand half of the words. It might be easier to find the article in the Corriere. --Shev123 (talk) 22:09, 24 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the translation. This Badrutt 74.5 m with fall jump was obviously before 3 January 1930. As I said earlier (19/11/2020), to me it looks like Kaufmann did 73.5 m (not 78.5 m) in this article in second column. Could you check, maybe in German/Austrian press what was happening on 28/2/1950 in Oberstdorf; Andreas Dascher jumped 121 meters, not clear if after or before Willi Gantsching made WR at 124 m. And also on 3/3/1950 in Oberstorf; not 100% clear if Andreas Dascher (130 m) and Sepp Weiler (133 m) made those jumps before or after Dan Netzell set WR at 135 m. Thanks. Sportomanokin (talk) 15:08, 1 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The 1950 newspaper will be in the public domain in 1 month. For now, I haven't found a digital newspaper of 1950. Austrian newspaper are at this link. I will check if I can find something in the german press. There is something in the Aftenposten (page 14), but I don't have access. --Shev123 (talk) 17:29, 1 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
70 years? Didn't know that. I know that music rights come into public domain after 70 years. Obviously different for rules for newspaper rights from country to country. Sportomanokin (talk) 11:07, 3 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Hey, after longer time! Thanks. But from the text, order of jumps is still not clear. It only mentions 135 m WR; in what order Weiler jumped 133 m and Dasher 130 m, not clear. Sportomanokin (talk) 09:25, 22 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The same, why we do not record training goals scored by Ronaldo or whoever. It's just a test and not more, but i can live with show/hide. Kante4 (talk) 14:08, 9 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, when the start list comes out, i have an eye on it aswell. I think having this in subarticles is better than all on one page, easier to read and not cluttered like the previous years. Kante4 (talk) 14:19, 9 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Greetings! I hope you're doing well. It's very nice to see you're still actively involving in ski jumping articles. I had an idea for a new section on World Cup season articles—hill records. I seem to remember that several HRs were set in the last season, but I can't remember at which comps; I wanted to go back and watch them again. Garmisch I think had one, but I know for sure there were others. Would collecting such information be at all possible, at least for more recent seasons? Mac Dreamstate (talk) 17:50, 9 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hi! Long time no hear. What's up? Yes, I'm focusing strictly on world records lately, if you noticed i did an intense research to find all the sources to all non dated or missing world records (official and invalid ones). I'm almost complete, still some to find. Some Norwegian user helped me with those old WRs from Norway. Maybe you could help to find those early sources from Norwegian newspaper archives? Sportomanokin (talk) 18:16, 19 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I am not quiet sure what you mean by those World Cup season articles—hill records? The one that only happened for example in 2017/2018 separately under the world cup season and another for the next season and so on? Collecting those informations would be possible by fis-ski.com detailed official results example (but that is a lot of work). However, skisprungschanzen.com, where hill records are updated almost instantly. Just search the hill you are looking (very small number of hill in World Cup) and see the list of hill records under History section. Sportomanokin (talk) 18:33, 19 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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An article you recently created, Roc de Fer, is not suitable as written to remain published. It needs more in-depth coverage about the subject itself, with citations from reliable, independent sources in order to show it meets WP:GNG. It should have at least three. And please remember that interviews, as primary sources, do not count towards GNG.(?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page.Onel5969TT me14:30, 21 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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I wanted to ask you if you have any idea how to solve the alpine skiing World Cup tabels this season, as they are a constant problem. Greetings! Gro456 (talk) 15:36, 14 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Example of Overflow scale would be perfect solution to get everything, including overall leaders in the line with enough space for each section. But I can't figure it out (I don't know) how to use/incorporate the code < div style overflow auto > < div > that it will actually work as it does on the upper example with possibility of moving scale left and right. Sportomanokin (talk) 16:17, 14 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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I've seen that you are editing this page about men's hosts of alpine skiing. My question is how are combined hosts that had 2 hosts determined (for example combined in 1980/81 season - slalom was held in Madonna di Campiglio and downhill was held in Val Gardena)? 83.131.71.21 (talk) 17:51, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Does not meet WP:SPORTSCRIT, Sports biographies must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject, excluding database sources.
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