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I would strongly suggest, you report our new favorit user for vandalism and disruptive editing (as you are directly affected by this, in several cases). If you don't do it, I will consider going ahead. Best, --LH7605 (talk) 12:42, 2 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, to be honest, in this case, I would argue that they are right, as it is usual to insert only after the complete set has been played. But in general, I stand by my points. Best, --LH7605 (talk) 12:44, 2 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Dear LH7605 The user was reported by me yesterday, of course you can also do it on your own initiative. In this case, there was an interruption due to rain, and if the match is abandoned, you can enter the score that was before the interruption Gro456 (talk) 12:49, 2 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Solden / Rettenbach

Why are you changing the max incline to 65%, it was clearly shown in the broadcast that max incline is at 68.2%. Didn't you watch it? Sportomanokin (talk) 12:17, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sportomanokin, see the official post on the Facebook page: FIS Alpine World Cup Tour, which highlights that it is 65% User:Gro456 (talk) 14:21, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Both in 1st and 2nd helmet camera run, shown 68.2% over "Eisfall". It used to be even 70% (depending on how much snow is on the slope). But definetly not 65%. Sportomanokin (talk) 12:51, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Chronoligal

Not a big deal but per last years, i went just by the time it happened and sorted it that way. Kante4 (talk) 15:36, 30 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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I'm not doing anything wrong, all the information provided has sources - it's consistent, correct and helpful. It appears in many other sources and articles. I'd be more inclined that you're the one acting out of line - deleting confirmed data. Wikipedia is a platform that is created by everyone with respect for other users. I therefore conclude that the information given should be published. I don't see any other justification for it to disappear. If your intended action is to delete other users' publications, you should think deeply about it. That is why, Dear Sportsfan 1234 - I am requesting a justification for your action.Gro456 23:22, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Gro456 and Sportsfan 1234, there was a report at WP:AIV about this. It was declined and removed because that noticeboard is for reporting obvious vandalism (i.e. intentional damage, malice) only, which doesn't seem to be the case here. If all other ways of dispute resolution fail, the central noticeboard for general reports is WP:ANI. I highly recommend attempting to get this resolved without going to ANI, as that's really a last resort, though. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 03:28, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Please review WP:OR and Wikipedia:Fictitious references as the links you provided DO NOT list the information you are citing. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 04:44, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Novak AO points

Hi Gro456, Normally, a player will lose the points from the year before when a tournament happens, BUT because the AO was 3 weeks later last year (2021), players are able to keep those points (for another 3 weeks) IF they're more than what they earned in 2022. (see the script in the bit above seeded players - as same for withdrawn players). Therefore, Novak earned 2,000 points in 2021 and will keep those points for another 3 weeks after the tournament has concluded. As a result, no one can replace him from #1 ranking. Tobyjamesaus (talk) 08:23, 16 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Dear, Tobyjamesaus It's just that no official source says this. In the case of the ATP website, it was always presented that points would be lost due to tournament delays, this was given a later date. In addition, the ATP reported that it was entering a "normal" cycle of deducting points for previous results. In this case, the ATP states that the points earned for 2020 players will be lost on January 31, and for 2021 on February 21 (depending on when there was a better result). Besides, in Novak's case - when the points are the same in both 2020 and 2021 - the "more important" in this case is for 2020. Gro456 08:37, 16 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Hey there, so players are only keeping ONE of AO points from 2020 or 2021, not both. I am not sure if that was your understanding, but just wanted to make that clear.  :)

As far the entering "normal cycle", I agree and I have read that too, but "normal cycle" is 52 weeks. So again, in the case of Djokovic, his '2000 points' from 2020 are already removed as he had '2000 points' from 2021 and they will remain until 21 Feb 2022 and then drop off. (I am trying to write it another way for understanding). So it is possible that (with a good result) Medvedev or Zverev could place themselves into a position to become #1 in the world on that date but they cannot overtake Djokovic on 31 Jan 2022. Tobyjamesaus (talk) 08:40, 16 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Dear, Tobyjamesaus By my reasoning on the other hand - the points for 2020 were locked up to be lost in 2021, so if the 2020 tournament was in January and the player got more points then, he will lose them in 2022 on the same date. But, if the 2021 tournament was better, they will be deducted on 21 Feb. Gro456 08:44, 16 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Correct. Novak has already lost his 2020 points and is keeping his 2021 points (which of course, is the same value) and so those 2000 will come off on 21 feb 2022.

This keeps Novak’s points consistency with other (including withdrawn) players’ points in this and WTA article too as entered by another editor. Tobyjamesaus (talk) 09:00, 16 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Dear, Tobyjamesaus Novak, as well as every other player, have not yet lost points for the Australian Open in 2020 - they have only been blocked from losing them in 2021.

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Leave my changes. You take them back and then make them back in yourself. Let something like that or I have to report you because of VM 89.14.147.102 (talk) 12:33, 27 February 2022 (UTC) Dear, User talk:89.14.147.102 - Because they were full of mistakes[reply]

Just to chip in. This user is a sock of Charli 250 (talk · contribs), so you are free to revert any edit he makes. Kante4 (talk) 12:40, 27 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Unnecessary bold in infoboxes of 2020–21 Biathlon World Cup and 2021–22 Biathlon World Cup

Hello Sir! I find it weird that you reverted my changes (remove bold from infobox) as ALL previous years' infoboxes are not in bold. Too much bold emphasis is unnecessary. Cheerio! (ZeFrenchDude (talk) 18:03, 20 March 2022 (UTC))[reply]

Dear, ZeFrenchDude: Yes, it’s best to remove anything you don’t need. This is essential, emphasising the confirmation of the successes achieved. Gro456 18:05, 20 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hello again! The problem is that when ALL names are in bold, you are not emphasising but cluttering. (Check the previous years, it looks much nicer.) I hope you will agree with me someday and restore my changes Anyway, it's not important and I will leave it to you there. Cheerio! (ZeFrenchDude (talk) 18:22, 20 March 2022 (UTC))[reply]

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2022–23 FIS Ski Jumping World Cup

Nordic World Championships is not part of World Cup, it is another competition, it doesn't belong to this page, because it is confusing to average reader. Sportomanokin (talk) 07:45, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Not to confuse ex "Srednja Bloudkova" (1949--2011) hill in Planica which was actually constructed by Stanko Bloudek and was located on another spot (today HS61 and HS80 stands on that spot) with complete new normal hill HS102 (constructed by Klemen Kobal) on another location next to Bloudkova velikanka (HS138). Sportomanokin (talk) 15:19, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
HS102 is simply called "Srednja skakalnica" (normal hill) because axis and name of Bloudkova velikanka are protected as monuments and cannot be changed or used in other objects. Sportomanokin (talk) 15:19, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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As per previous editions there is no need to bold a team. If you feel like it should, you should to start a discussion per WP:BRD. Kante4 (talk) 16:18, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There is nothing to suggest that one should refer to previous articles, that one should modernize oneself in order to pursue a good cause. Gro456 16:20, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Just blindly reverting without starting a discussion (i did it for you) is not a good way. You add something, i rverted so it should remain how it was until a consensus is found. I will ask the footy project to get more votes in. Kante4 (talk) 16:21, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
FYI: There is the discussion. Kante4 (talk) 16:31, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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There are 170 different World Cup winners (not 169). Check official FIS statistics Sportomanokin (talk) 20:04, 16 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Dear JTtheOG (talk), Double standards, you accept websites that have too little data and few footnotes, while reliably verified information that is confirmed by materials is not accepted. Funny Gro456 (talk) 20:38, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not too sure what you mean by the double standard. You are free to elaborate on this. Regardless, please provide third-party sources that address Riethmüller directly and in detail in order to show that he meets WP:GNG. Cheers. JTtheOG (talk) 20:45, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I explained what it means above, apart from which external sources do not confirm the information in this article? Gro456 (talk) 20:49, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Dear JTtheOG (talk), that is why I am appealing this decision and demand that the previous status be restored, i.e. the page be removed from the draft, because, as I said, the article comply with standards to a greater extent than even other articles that have much fewer of them and operate in the public space. Gro456 (talk) 20:56, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not a valid argument. The article did not comply with our standards at the time of draftification, but the Sportschau source you have is a good start towards establishing notability of the subject (even though it's basically an interview). Please include more of this sort of coverage in future articles if you would prefer to avoid this route. Cheers. JTtheOG (talk) 21:05, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello Sir! Please stop changing the color of the wikitable. This makes no sense! Cheerio! ZeFrenchDude (talk) 20:35, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dear ZeFrenchDude (talk), I do not change the color, only the aesthetic value of the page, because too large a table redirects to all the data below the bar regarding the player's personal data, sometimes it is worth delving deeper into it. Gro456 (talk) 21:57, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also, you removed the source that confirms the results. Gro456 (talk) 21:59, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello again, Apologies about removing the reference. Not my initial intention. I must have a different setting because I don't have the issue about the table wrapping around the infobox. But I strongly disagree with the change of background color from gray to blue. Can we agree to keep it gray? ZeFrenchDude (talk) 22:16, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Many other biathletes have tables in this color. Gro456 (talk) 22:18, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Many other biathletes have tables in gray too! For example Ingrid Landmark Tandrevold. So who gets to decide which color is correct! ZeFrenchDude (talk) 22:28, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi, please, do not revert edits without commenting why. You did this several times already. Listing the leads in the standings is unclear and somewhat unnecessary, as well as arbitrary (you are just listing overall and nation cup, not the other ones). The scoreboard at the end is enough, the progression is possibly interesting as a summary. Tone 17:27, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tone, Again, can you refrain from deleting materials that affect the editorial integrity and readability of the website? Once again, you have removed the issues regarding whether certain players have a yellow jersey - information about who has this privilege in a given competition, i.e. is the leader of the World Cup in a given classification. Please do not remove it based on your own suggestions - because it is "irrelevant" from you! Gro456 (talk) 17:28, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There used to be a better way a while ago where the yellow jersey was tracked at the side. The way you do it looks like uncited synthesis of the material. Tone 17:29, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Tone You probably don't understand this issue, such tables are also available in other winter sports or other language versions of Wikipedia - it shows who was the leader of a given classification for what period of time - it was moved from the table of general results because there was no space for it to a separate section. Please next time ask about such issues on the talk page, and not voluntarily delete some issues because you don't understand them. Gro456 (talk) 17:32, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have been following winter sports wiki articles for 10+ years, I am well aware of the seasons and rankings. What I argue is that the style that you are using is confusing and at minimum lacks a summary at the beginning to explain to the casual reader what this is about. See how it used to be done, let's say, random list 2014–15 FIS Ski Jumping World Cup. This was neat and comprehensive. Now it is not. Tone 17:35, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Tone, Please feel free to go ahead and create it if you think it is a better solution, and if not, please do not delete other tables - since that one is also described and explained what it is about. I don't see any reason to claim that it is incomprehensible. Gro456 (talk) 17:39, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Let me try then. Feel free to improve ;) Tone 17:43, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, after some thinking, reformatting everything would require lots of lots of work. Let's leave it as it is, it still works. Sorry for the detour ;) Tone 20:05, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ski Jump./Alpine Ski WC Overall leaders board

Why would you add a competitor no. of yellow bibs in advance, this is nonsense. Tommorow did not yet happened, although they have 100, 200 or more points of advantage in overall, they haven't worn that bib so many times yet. Beside you don't know what would happen to Engelberg, Alta Badia, Bormio events (they could be cancelled or rescheduled).

For example; there have been 5 World Cup events so far for women. 1 yellow bib for N. Prevc and 4 times (not 5) wearing yellow bibs for Katharina Schmid. That's why you should consider today's date 21 December (not 22 December). Sportomanokin (talk) 12:32, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dear, Sportomanokin
Planning an entire calendar can also be pointless if there's uncertainty about whether the competitions will take place and they might be canceled. If an athlete has a sufficient lead in the standings that allows them to retain the yellow jersey, this should be reflected in the presentation of the results. If any subsequent competitions are canceled, this can simply be added later. Gro456 (talk) 12:37, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It is very confusing for average readers/visitors as number of finished events and number of "virtual future" yellow bibs doesn't match. I still insists there is no need for virtual yellow bibs, but those actually being worn. Sportomanokin (talk) 13:42, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Isn't it confusing, for example, if an athlete secures the overall classification 10 events before the end? Will you update the table after each event to show the changes, or will you update it all the way to the end at once – as it used to be done before, when the leaders were presented in the table alongside the podium for individual events? Back then, the leaders of the classification were also carried over if they had a sufficient lead for a larger number of events, and it wasn't confusing. Gro456 (talk) 13:46, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]