User talk:SebastianHelm/Sri LankaLTTE- Sri Lanka ConflictSee Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-10-20 Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam EndorsementJust so you know what style of editing of users involved in this, I suggest you read up on related articles that have had similar conflicts. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:65.115.137.2 Special Task Force State Terrorism in Sri Lanka --Sharz 12:08, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
Links on LTTE pageYeah, agreed. I guess we should discuss this first before removing it. My mistake. I thought it was obvious the links didn't belong but guess I was wrong. I seem to be wrong a lot of times these days :( These finals are messing with my head. Anyway apologies for that. Also I think maybe this should be part of a larger revamp of the article. For example the "Recent events" section contains a lot of info that should be in the Sri Lankan civil war and not here. I think we need a discussion on that too. Any ideas? --snowolfD4( talk / @ ) 22:30, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
Change of mediatorSure, go ahead and take over for me. As for experience... I think I've learned I'm better at taking out vandalism than mediation. Nwwaew (Talk Page) (Contribs) (E-mail me) 21:33, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
Closing the mediationSebastian I'm really sorry I didn't reply to your compromise offer. I had somehow managed to unwatch the mediation page and didn't realize you had made changes to it. Thanks for bringing it to my notice. I wouldn't say the new intro is perfect. When we add "see list" and link it to another part of the document, I don't think it will be up to normal Wikipedia standards, but considering the arguments we've had, I guess its probably the best possible resolution we can achieve. I think you did a great job with closing the mediation successfully, to the agreement of everyone involved. So well done, and thanks for bringing a resolution to this case.--snowolfD4( talk / @ ) 06:07, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
Please look into the recent rash of reverts and counter reverts. I have edited the controversy section to categorily say that the allegation came from pro LTTE sites not from neutral sources. Kanatonian 14:28, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
Edit summariesSorry about that. Some of the edits are rewording though. Anyhow thank for remininding me Dutugemunu 16:06, 29 December 2006 (UTC) I see your point about the categories. Some of the articles would belong in the subcategories. However I think some would also need to be in the higher category because they belong to more than one subcategory. SO I will make those changes. About the links, I will change those too to make it explicit Dutugemunu 16:43, 29 December 2006 (UTC) Actually there is a provision for duplicating categories in the Wikipedia guidelines. The article about Amirthalingam should be left in the main LTTE category because he was very important to the LTTE. However it should also come under "Terrorist acts" because he is one of the most prominent people assasinated by the LTTE.
Some help needed in SL articlesHello, as a person who had mediated SL related articles before I would like you to look at this article to make it WP:NPOV. Mylanthanai massacre especially versionthat was hacked this thus making it a weak article. Also there seem to be an attempt to remove valuable references from Nagerkovil central school bombing by a potential misreading of WP:RS. The reference is [1] it is secondary source of documents before the internet became popular. Please look into it if you have time. Thanks Kanatonian 06:14, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
Re:my usernameHi - I had discussed this with a bureacurat, Taxman a couple of months ago and he asserted that he was ok with it and wouldn't normally ask me to change it. That said, I have done my level best to keep my opinions to myself while on WP - I strongly deny Szhaider's accusations and I doubt his integrity - it is common to accuse the person who is inconveniencing you with anything you can throw at him. I have given him ample warnings and opportunities to resolve disputes via discussion - it is only when he violated WP:3RR on Iqbal that I went ahead and blocked him for all the issues cited on the ANI report - otherwise I was planning to let others handle it. Rama's arrow 01:08, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
Please check the opening statenment about Attack on civilians. It has no citation on it and therefore should not belong at that part. Please enforece a citation or remove the comment "The LTTE has attacked non-military targets including commuter trains and buses, farming villages, temples and mosques resulting in large numbers of civilian deaths". The buses and farm village have been proven to be true however, the mosque and temple has not been proven at all. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.102.154.23 (talk • contribs) 01:00, February 8, 2007 I'm not sure why you left it on my page, and why in the "Re:my username" section. The best place for such messages is the article talk page, but you may also consider posting it on WT:SLR. Hope this helps, — Sebastian 07:39, 8 February 2007 (UTC) Messages from IwazakimisunderstandingDear Sebastian, I think the warning you have given to me is quite unfair..I still stand by by edits ,which correctly question the comments of a person who is regarded as a staunch LTTE supporter..This is not my own personal belief..If you think so, then I would kindly ask you to show me any statement made by this "bishop" criticizing the "LTTE"..The whole article, before my intervention was written purely based on article at "tamil net",which is a pro LTTE site and definitely can't be consider as a WP:RS..And if you read it carefully, the author has given a high importance to the comment of the "bishop" ,as he was the only "called it an act against humanity" ??? "Crimes against humanity" is a serious allegation ,as we all know..The whole article sounds like the Government did something intentional and it is an crime..With only the "bishop's" comment was given as an example !! And that's why I changed it to this..I strongly object having one sided comments of a known LTTE sympathiser. And I have the right to let Wikipedian community that this Bishop has not criticized The "LTTE", even a single occasion.Sinhalese people were kicked out from North and being massacred and this person has not made a single comment son this.. .Its like Nazis talking about "humanity", while involving in "crimes against humanity"..What I did was balancing the article,nothing else.I think my other edits also did some thing similar..You have to remember that the Author of these articles are not only creating them,he also calling them "state terrorism", and include them to it as soon as he created them..These are serious allegations..And as from the present evidences isn't it obvious that the Authors comments were biased and this is indeed a LTTE naval base!! So why would this be a part of state terrorism ?? And also, isn't this obvious that the bishop's comments was made to deceive people ?? AS he had done before.. Sebastian,I immensely appreciate your work here..But I think its not correct to call my edits "defamatory"..I should have wrote something in the talk page,other than that My comments regarding the "Bishop is correct" and the "New evidences" just prove what I said.Keep up your good work. thanks.--Iwazaki 14:57, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
Also..I'm glad that You brought this issue.. Well first have a look at the very first version of this article.. first..As you can clearly see there is an grave contradiction with the article and the source..The source is about the "Acquittal" and the article is about the "massacre", not a single word of acquittal is there..So the Author had decided the Army did the "massacre" and happily used that term several times. lets take a look at my first edit in this my first edit..Where have I mislead ?? I have correctly changed the phrases.What the source said about the "Army personnel's" Acquittal and That's what exactly I did here..Removing the word Army from it,as they were "Acquitted" by an independent jury..We live in the 21 st century where people supposed to respect the law and order..If a court gives a decision , and "acquit" someone , why would we still defame him ?? These are WP:POV ,and wikipedia shouldn't be used for attacking a judicial systems of a democratic country..If we do so, then,there will be no "consensus"..if the Author wants to challenge the decision he can do it over the court..this is certainly not a task of wikipedia !! Also, the source does not give a single "human rights organisations" ..NOT a single name given !! Then how do we know whether this is true ?? I should have removed it totally, but I still changed it to "some"..if the Author claims something,don't you think evidence should be produced ?? Its certainly not presented here !! Also, I seriously doubt this "Sri Lankan Monitor",for me its looks like an another NGO led organization..This what they say in the front page "The British Refugee Council established the Sri Lanka Project in December 1987, on the request of international NGOs."..And they also say The work of the Project is supervised by an Advisory Committee, comprising international NGOs, including the Refugee Counc..Highly suspicious!! So far I a have only seen the Tamil side of the stories, yet to see a single article regarding the "Sinhalese civilian massacres by LTTE"..I am doing a bit of research about this site and If I can clearly see this as a bias site, then I will let you know. And lets take the second case edit..Once again, this is about the bishop..I think I have addressed issue already..I stand by with my statements as they were correct and made the article neutral. Dear Sebastian, I have presented my case and I don't think I did any thing misleading.Edit summaries mat have mislead some, but they were definitely done to make the article a better neutral one.And there was no spam nor personal attacks..I would like if you reconsider about the warning that you have given to me..Thank you for spending your valuable time in helping others and making the articles look better.--Iwazaki 15:35, 8 January 2007 (UTC) ohh also have a look at this too ..Written by a Catholic/Christian SL citizen.[2].. Reply (short)Hello Iwazaki! Thank you for your messages. I am quite busy today, but I will read them carefully later. I just started reading a really good book, "Nonviolent Communication" by Marshall B. Rosenberg, and while I'm only in chapter 2, I already realized several mistakes I made here. I would like to continue reading it and then read your mails with that in mind. Have a good day, — Sebastian 20:26, 8 January 2007 (UTC) Thanks ..Enjoy the book..Hopefully you can use the knowledge you might gain from the book to make Wikipedia a better place. Look forward to your reply.--Iwazaki 21:08, 8 January 2007 (UTC) Reply (long)I am sorry, my reply is not going to contain much of what I read in the book yet, because I haven't finished it. I had wanted to wait with my reply until I finished the book and then take all the time it takes to apply a new, unpracticed technique to give you a nonviolent response. However, this isn't gonna happe now. Unfortunately, your recent actions have made it urgent for me to read and reply to your messages. I don't see that you are addressing the first two policy violation warnings, and you're not addressing my table which backs up the third:
Here's the table for your first edit:
If you describe an edit as "corrected phrases according to citations", but in fact you are changing wording that was correct to a paraphrased and weakened version, then that is misleading. All other points you raise, such as the discussion of the POV of one source, or what the bishop is or is not, have nothing to do with the three warnings. Moreover, I find it disengenuous if you target other people's sources while you yourself don't even provide sources for very harsh accusations of living people. — Sebastian 02:52, 10 January 2007 (UTC), corrected WP:BIO to WP:BLP 21:23, 10 January 2007 (UTC) Last chance to demostrate good willIwazaki, your last edit damaged existing messages in two places, and I'm therefore reverting it. I noticed it also included another long POV pushing rant. I am sorry, you are completely missing the point. This is not about POV. It is about basic Wikipedia policies, as explained on your talk page and above. I don't see how this can still not be clear to you, but I will give you one last chance to demostrate good will. Please therefore refrain for the next two weeks from any
If I still see you doing any of the above then I will have to report you. I am sorry that it has come to that; my nonviolent communication skills are not advanced enough to see another way for handling this. If you have any concrete and specific questions about these three policies that you can not find or inquire about on the policy pages, then I'm still open to answering them here. But please spare me your POV pushing rants. I will either ignore or delete such edits, even if they do not damage other messages on this page. — Sebastian 21:23, 10 January 2007 (UTC) Iwazaki's reply of 11 January(Title was: "reply to your post") Dear Sebastian , First of all apologies for damaging your messages in two places.It was obviously not intentional..It wasn't done with any hidden intentions to cover up my self or defame your self..It was just a silly typing mistake made by me.. And About my remarks..I was addressing to the points AND I wasn't certainly missing them.I have explained the basis behind my edits and you have seen it as POV..I have explained how did the article look like before,and you haven't even touch that topic..I asked you to look at the talk pages,but I don't even see your comments there !!.Since we seemed to have a problem with coherent communication ,allow me to clarify this,further, to you.
And for the requests you made at your last post; My replies are in bold.
Please therefore refrain for the next two weeks from any
I am not really getting this one..SO anyone can create article with their own POV and I should keep an blind eye for it ?? By Looking at the way STF article is going on, where you find a lot of POV tirades,borne purely due the "hate" that user has with anything "Sri Lankan", I can hardly understand your above suggestion. Its like asking me not to help a girl when someone trying to rape her !!
Accepted..Actually first I thought there is no need to give citations to prove the "obvious" ,which even Bishop him self doesn't deny..But since its quite clear to me that even if it is "OBVIOUS" one should still prove it, and I would more than happy to give proofs from verified sources !
I didn't mean to mislead..That wasn't what I intended..I should have been more comprehensive with it and I fully admit that..I assure you ,this will not happen from me again.. Finally ,I always work with good will..And My edits had helped to make articles look more neutral and stop LTTE propaganda.. --Iwazaki 03:41, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Sebastian's reply of 11 JanuaryThank you for your good reply. This is what I was hoping for; it opens the stage for a productive, mutually respectful discussion. I agree with you that damaging the messages was obviously not intentional. It was a bit nitpicking on my part. To be honest, the main reason why I said it was because it gave me a good excuse to revert your edit. Now that I see that we can connect, I don't think I will revert your comments in the future again. I am very happy and grateful that we agree on point 2 and for your promise to avoid the situation of point 3. This allows us to talk about #1, POV reversions. I can hardly imagine what pain you seem to be feeling about the situation in your home country. It is only human to think of the word "rape", when you grow up in an environment like that. I understand your desire to protect your POV. Do you feel threatened by the opposing POV? Believe me, I'm really empathizing with you. It hurts me deeply, too, to watch how such a beautiful country just can't escape the spiral of violence. When I see people in terror, I see terrorists winning. I even thought of joining the Nonviolent Peaceforce. I don't know if I would be able to help if I were in Sri Lanka. It hurts me when I see this conflict perpetuated in Wikipedia. But I know I can make a difference here. I wholeheartedly agree with Lahiru's message, in which he quotes MLK: "We must accept finite disappointment, but never lose infinite hope". I am actually quite confident that we can break this circle of violence at least here on Wikipedia! To reach this goal, I need your help. You could help me a lot if you tried out a different mindset for two weeks. I'm not saying it is any more "right" than yours. But because it is different, it is a chance for a change. Please try to imagine how people on the other side feel; People like Kanatonian and Sharz. Imagine them as people with a heart, too, and not as terrorists. I bet any amount of money that they never raped a woman. So, please just imagine that they feel the same pain that you feel. There are of course differences between both situations, but I ask you to not latch on to those for the moment. (That would be as distracting as when I held your inadvertent damage against you.) Such differences don't matter in the bigger picture. So, imagine, when you revert a change, how they may inwardly cry out "rape!", too. Unfortunately, because people's hearts are so sore, they cry out "rape!", even when it's just an innocent mistake. (Look at the conversation I just had with Kerr avon. I'm not saying this to blame him, but only to show that it's a normal human reaction - it's a group attribution error.) This is how both sides get caught in a painful revert war. The only way out that I can see is when people relax a bit, when everybody gives the other some space and time and respect. This is my goal here. I want to to help good willing people relax, so I talk to people who I perceive as good willing, and I am ready to have people blocked that are not. (So far, I only had one editor blocked, who happened to be from the other side. So I really was tempted to have you blocked, too, when you violated the 3RR rule with your four reversion around 2007-01-08T16:00:24. However, I believed in you, and I'm very happy that I did. I now can attest that you are changing; so if anyone should block you for that edit war, you can request unblock and refer to this conversation.) Cheat sheetHere's a list of what you can do when you see some edit that you feel you need to revert:
I think this should already help a lot. If you want to go one step further, you may also want to consider becoming a WP:1RR fighter like me (see the userbox on my user page.) Anyway, I wish you successful editing! — Sebastian 08:04, 11 January 2007 (UTC) Special Task ForceHey there, Would you mind stepping in on the article Special Task Force? I am taking a more pro-active role in the improvement of United Nations related articles as well as planning to create a WikiProject dedicated to Human Rights and Aids Groups which means I don't want to get bogged down fighting over trivial things, however I do not like the idea of referanced material that I have put into Wikipedia being slowly eroded away. Thankyou --Sharz 01:19, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Ooh thanks brotherOoh thanks brother . I never did think that you were disillusioned because of the edit wars on Sri Lankan conflict related topics. I have been here nearly 4 n half months and I always had to face such experiences. Kanatonian has been here for 11 months and both of us and every other user have been facing such problems and none of them gave up editing. Why? That's because we all have an infinite hope that we regret to lose. But some people like Elalan, after they have been confirmed as sock puppets of another user, became a blatant vandal and I was accused as a sock puppeteer for some thing I didn't do and I was blocked for one week. Have you ever been accused for some thing you didn't do and punished? At least on your school days? I have been once and with this incidence the count was raised up to two. Ater that I was really disappointed and I thought to give up editing but I didn't give up my infinite hope. So there's no point in doing something like giving up editing for a simple matter. --♪♫ ĽąĦĩŘǔ ♫♪ Walkie-talkie 07:45, 10 January 2007 (UTC) I just finnished completing the above mentioned article. Can you kindly go over it to check for NPOV errors and any other issues when you have time. Thanks 14:11, 12 January 2007 (UTC) I have updated the article but left the NPOV tag, when you have time can you read and see whether the NPOV tag shoulkd be removed ? Thanks Kanatonian 21:27, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
Kerr avon has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Smile to others by adding {{subst:smile}}, {{subst:smile2}} or {{subst:smile3}} to their talk page with a friendly message. Happy editing! Thanks for your help in clearing up our small misunderstanding!Kerr avon 08:44, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
Rumpel's Thank youThak you for your kind post to my homepage. You are a nice editor and very polite and I have respect for that. I am very sickened right now as many new-anonymous users are vandalizing many articles on wikipedia and this is creating problems. Why don't you take a look at these edits and let me know if you concur with my assessments: Edit:[3] My revert:[4] Reason: hvk is partisan source, and faithfreedom.org is unreliable Edit:[5] My revert:[6] Reason:Ridiculous vandalism. Vandal even claims that Rediff.com A premier News Source in India is not WP:RS.[7]. Edit:[8] My revert:[9] Reason:[{Dalit Voice]] is a hate site preaching holocaust denial My experience is that these anon/new users will keep at it and keep reverting well past 3RR. I am very unhappy about this. Rumpelstiltskin223 23:21, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
== Trying to answer your question == Hello Rumpel! I'm sorry that you're going through such a hard time. I haven't looked at the reversions themselves, but understand that it must be hard to see people do things that oppose our innermost feelings. From my experience with mediation I know that your questions are not just rhetoric questions, they are a serious desire to find a way out of such quandaries. Moreover, I know that you have been trying, while we have failed to give you a answer to your important question so far. Maybe you can find the cheat sheet helpful which I wrote for another editor who was in a similar situation. Let me know what you think of it! — Sebastian 20:30, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Your Computers DeathSorry that you lost all your files and emails, it has happened to me and I know the feeling, I read your subpage about mediation, interesting stuff. I really appreciate your concerns and edits in the Sri Lanka conflict related articles. Possibly you are a bit angry with me for turning you down with the NCSLC project membership offer. I hope you understand my stand. In the meantime my sincere wish is that we could be good friends. If you need any help in mediation please feel free to contact me. ŇëŧΜǒńğëŗTalk 11:58, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
Special Task ForceHi there, hate to bother you about this again but alot of content (basically all) I added to the Special Task Force page was deleted twice and I'd like to get a second opinion about the validity of my edits before pursueing other paths of resolving the conflict. --Sharz 09:36, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
Nina's reply to my invitationThere are a lot emotions there. It's simply a terrible situation. If we can bring some neutrality to the articles, it would lend them all credibility. In truth, I've done my best, but I simply don't understand all the issues involved. Any news articles/illumination would be much appreciated. I also would love to invite you to help me revive WikiProject:Human rights. Thanks for thinking of me, Sebastian. I consider it an honor. NinaOdell | Talk 12:03, 27 January 2007 (UTC) Sri Lanka BarnstarHi Sebastian, Thanks.Rajsingam 14:37, 27 January 2007 (UTC) New projectHi, Sebastian, still waiting for your relpy. Hope your PC is OK now :) --snowolfD4( talk / @ ) 18:42, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
LTTE MapHello Sebastian Helm. I think you discussed this with User:Vadakkan. We have now made a suggested update of the LTTE areas of control map which I have posted on Talk:Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam#LTTE & GOSL controlled area image. We have changed the colour to make the East more yellow and the legend to say that the East is "mostly" controlled by the Government. I have also explained there why I think it will be difficult to produce a more exact map. Please let me know if you think this is an improvement. -- Ponnampalam 21:24, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
ElalanI think it should be mentioned that there is alot of bashing of the User:Elalan, who was recently banned for being a puppeteer or sockpuppet. However I would like to point out the fact that others in this very page were accused and banned temporarily for sockpuppetry and to my knowledge, were not cleared. Though Elalan pushed a heavy Pro-LTTE view on Wikipedia and he was also abrasive towards opposing Wikipedia editors, you do not have the right to become his judge and jury in absentia. I would apreciate it if you showed some respect to an individual, who however mis-guided, is not here to defend himself and point out that it is not nessicary to relentlessy attack the name of a person who essentially no longer exists, which is tantamount to kicking and spitting on a corpse. I'm sorry I had to post this on your constructive talkpage... --Sharz 01:00, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
Don't feel bad about posting it - please, don't ever hesitate to ask me (either here or by email) when you have any problem with anything I did. I have no idea what you mean, though. I don't think I've ever been "abrasive" towards any user. So what are you referring to? (This is also a general principle of mine: Provide a reference!) — Sebastian 02:39, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
Iwazaki's greeting of February(Original title: "how you doing ?") Dear sebestian, It has been a while since i did any sort of editing here,in wikipedia..I was extremely busy with my school work,esp with my research and had absolutely no time to invlove in other stuff..It seems that,you are more active in SL related articles ,as ever ,and the new project started by you looks good too..hope to be invloved in editing again in couple of weeks,assuming my research goes well.. till then keep up your good work --Iwazaki 02:38, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
Guten tag, Herr Sebastian!
Guten Abend ,Herr Sebestian ,
From WatchdogbI know that I have allready allready talked to someone about this but since I see you are interisted in the neutral coverage of sri lanka I need to ask some help from you. Original post to sharez : the page "Terrorist attacks attributed to the LTTE" under the 2007 bus explosion insident the writer has written as if that that was the truth and has given a refrence to the reuters (which is fine). However, on that article it just says that the Srilankan forces has said that they suspect this to be an attack by the tigers. This is NOT the NPOV that wiki should share. I want to ask you to take a look at it and tell me what to do. I believe this should be taken off but I don't want to go in a edit war against the two major contributers to the articles. We should take immediate action about this problem. I will take a more indept look at the article now to see if there is any other accutations like this. Thanks and sorry for disturbing you. I just want to keep this whole part of wiki clean... More dirt! Under the 2006 heading: March 01, 2006: Suspected but not proven so cannot belong in the article because refrence doesn not assume. April 23, 2006 : This is based on a article which is on wikipedia but is missing sitations. Infact there is no citation on that article and it is again a violation of wiki. Nothing shows that this is true... furthermore doesn not involve Tamil Tigers. May 27, 2006: No mention in the refrence about Tamil Tigers hence not NPVO to assume it was them May 29, 2006: Refrence is not a NPOV article it seems. Not wiki stranders but could let it slide by. September 18, 2006 Are you kidding me ? refrence from defence.lk…. What a joke! I am slowly working my way around all the sri lanka related sections. Please do not mistake me of trying to sabotage these artiles or of supporting any one group. I am just trying to clean wiki from rubbish. Watchdogb 21:23, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
Allright thanks a lot. I will post these problems there and see if we can fix these problems. Thanks Watchdogb 23:14, 11 February 2007 (UTC) Hellow sabastian I did exactly what you have told me but user Snowolfd4 has been reverting my edits. Please take a look. I am not going to fight a edit wars but I am not very pleased with this attatude. Please help and thanks Watchdogb 03:08, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Exactly right. I didn't do the summery sorry. I should have done it. Sorry again. Also was wondering if my edit was proper ? Watchdogb 03:26, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Calling Asian Tribune "Anti-rebel"Hi Sebastian, I saw you called Asian Tribune a "anti rebel newspaper" in the Anton Balasingham article. The link you provided as a reason simply gives a table you created and (I'm thinking) you suggested it be called as such. I have to disagree with your edits cos you haven't mentioned who calls Asian Tribune anti rebel. (if you have my apologies cos I couldn't find it) If its simply your opinion, I'm afraid it would be WP:OR to label it as such. Tamilnet for example is called "pro-LTTE" by every major news organization so there should be no problems calling it pro-LTTE in Wiki articles. But I don't think we can call Asian Tribune "anti rebel". What do you say?--snowolfD4( talk / @ ) 03:33, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Need your inputSebastian, I need your input on the article's table. This table is (at the bottom) disputed by Iwasaki. Please take a look at all of the articles on the tabe and please make a decision if it has credible material and if that table is TRULY false as said by Iwazaki. Thanks Watchdogb 23:22, 18 February 2007 (UTC) I saw you have replaced Category:Terrorists with Category:Assassins[10] . As I know "Under U.S. law, an attack against a military target does not meet the legal definition of terrorism". I think Rajiv Gandhi never met this definition. If the target was General Pervez Musharraf, he will definitely meet this definition coz he is currently the President of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan and the Chief of Army Staff of the Pakistan Army. So I think your will revert it back. Thanks. --♪♫ ĽąĦĩŘǔ ♫♪ walkie-talkie 15:28, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
Sea TigersHey sebastian I have just noticed that the Sea Tiger article is under the SLR scope. There is a section of human rights violation which has a part about attacking a 300 civilian ship. It links to a article which clearly says "a military source says" that they were transporting civilians when they encountred the enemy. It again does not say that LTTE's intention was to attack the civilian ship and according to the article they did not either. Can you please back me on taking that statenment off. I could have taken this up on WP:SLR but I think this is a too small an discussion for it to be there. Thanks Watchdogb 03:15, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
Anton balasingamPlease check the discussion on the this article under "wording". I have suggested the proper faults with the last sentence on it and people seem to try to add unneeded sentence to the article. Please have a look. Sri Lanka conflict related inquiriesMiszaBotYeah I had to remove temporary that link to resolve this editwar. [13][14][15][16][17][18][19] Since there no much more activities in the WT:SLR, we can do the archiving jobs our selfs. Isn't it? --♪♫ ĽąĦĩŘǔ ♫♪ walkie-talkie 04:39, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
Re:Revert war in Internet censorshipYeah sure. Do you mean formally as in Med Cabal or unofficially on the talk page? --snowolfD4 ( talk / @ ) 16:29, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
Me be relative of EROS headHi, please check out my new topic in the talk page for the Sri Lanka Revolutionary group. Maybe I can help out given this position. Hopefully this won't cause any security problems for my family. Seriphyn 01:07, 31 July 2007 (UTC) Hello SebastianWelcome back, per your suggestion we have put an article that you were trying to mediate into AFD. Thanks Kanatonian 18:29, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
Hi!!Hallo Sebastian, langfristig, kein gesehen. Hoffen, daß du in gutem Heidezustand bist. Und ich hoffe, daß du lesen und verstehen kannst, was ich hier mit Google übersetzer schrieb. Für deine Antwort erwarten, --♪♫ ĽąĦĩŘǔ ♫♪ walkie-talkie 16:37, 24 September 2007 (UTC)^
Message by User:W0rldl3ad3r@hotmail.comHello Sebastian, since you seem quite reasonable, I was wondering if you could review the LTTE page. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LTTE [...] Please please, could you kindly delete that section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by W0rldl3ad3r@hotmail.com (talk • contribs)
Sri Lanka issuesHi Sebastian, please see: Discussion move and Specific proposal Your participation and acceptance would be appreciated. -- FayssalF - Wiki me up® 01:27, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
Please Help!!!Hey Sebastian. I just became a user today and I really need some help. First of all, the primary reason I became a user is to join the WikiProject Sri Lanka Reconciliation. So how do I become a member? And I want to make a User page about my self. Could you please help? How do I make a table of contents, and all those templates you have about the languages you can speak and stuff about yourself. Thanks a lot. --Ytred 03:26, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
SLR talk pageJust a suggestion about the SLR talk page, as it currently is, clicking the "add new section" button at the top creates a section under the "Just resolved" heading. So I had to move what I added to the correct section. That seems a a little odd. Could you maybe add a little script to add new sections under the 2.0 heading? --snowolfD4 ( talk / @ ) 04:01, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
WT:SLR "Notices" sectionWhat do you think about adding a "Notices" or "News and notices" section to WT:SLR? It could be used to inform project members of information that is neither an "issue" nor an "incident"; for instance, it could be a place to post links to active discussions on talk pages of SL-related articles. – Black Falcon (Talk) 02:00, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
Possibly. The reason I bring it up is that the issues raised at WT:SLR are mostly ones that require dispute resolution or discussion about a potentially contentious issue. However, there may be times when one might simply wish to call attention to a discussion on a particular talk page or to a development that affects Sri Lanka-related articles. – Black Falcon (Talk) 04:59, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
I don't really have a preference as to its location; between "General" and "Incidents" is probably the best place. The reason I switched around the "Issues" and "Incidents" sections, which is why I think you brought up alphabetic sorting, was so that editors who use the "+"/"add new section" function will add sections under the "Issues" heading, which seems to see more activity. – Black Falcon (Talk) 05:22, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
Move of Sri Lanka pageIts nice to hear from you again too. About the Sri Lanka attacks page may I point out a few facts. first the discussion about this page is very hard to find. In fact if you hadnt kindly sent me the link, I can honestly say I wouldnt have found it in a million years. I cannot fathom why the discussion is not held on the talk page of the article as this would be visible to all contributors. As Snofold pointed out he couldnt even contribute to the discussion as he was not aware of its existence. Similarly myself and a majority of the contributors to this page were not aware of the discussion and of the vote on the title, which only took place over 4 days in a location not visible to contributors of this page. I feel that the people who contributed to this page were basically shut out from the vote. furthermore if you look carefully at the voters,you can see that most of them have argued against some aspect of this page and are not unbiased. Dutugemunu (talk) 09:14, 6 February 2008 (UTC) Thank you for your nice reply! Why the discussion is not held on the talk page of the article: It's a general problem with page moves that the discussion is hard to find, once the page is moved. I didn't even see a single link to the original pre-moved page! That's actually a reason to keep such discussions on WT:SLR, where they remain independent of such moves. But I admit, it isn't so easy to find it there, either, once the discussion has been archived. (It's now here). What do you think, would it make sense to keep a list there of all important discussions - would that make it easier for you? I could do that over the weekend. Anyway, I really recommend adding WT:SLR to your watchlist - that guarantees that you won't miss out on any SL conflict related decisions. Currently there is one issue, "Allegations of state terrorism in Sri Lanka" that you may want to weigh in before it gets moved. — SebastianHelm — continues after insertion below
People who contributed to this page were basically shut out from the vote: "shut out" is a strong term, but I see that it may have contributed to you missing the discussion. I'm sorry about that, and I will support reopening the discussion if you have any argument that was overlooked in the decision. This may not be the best moment, though. For one, I am busy with other things and will not be able to put in as much time as I would like to. (I would e.g. love to make an overview table of arguments, as I did e.g. here and here. It's quite some work, but I think it's worth it because it makes the decision process transparent and allows people who come late to the discussion to be able to come up to speed quickly.) But not just me, our pro-GoSL members also currently seem very busy, so you can't get much support from them, either. I would therefore rather wait until that situation changes. — SebastianHelm — continues after insertion below
Most of them have argued against some aspect of this page and are not unbiased. You seem to be addressing several points: (1) Many editors in the SL conflict are biased. I agree with that. (2) Biased editors should not have a say. I do not agree with that. I think everybody may have good arguments, and I'm committed to finding out the grain of truth everyone has to say. (3) The proportion of votes may be distorted: That would be a valid concern, if it had been a vote. But we did not look at the vote count, we looked at reasons. And in my honest impression, all reasons against the move had been refuted. (See WT:SLR#Clarification of what 1RR means to us for what I mean by "reason" and "refute".) — SebastianHelm — continues after insertion below
The vote [...] only took place over 4 days: There was no vote. What took 4 days was the decision to move, after months of discussion had come to a close. I could have made that decision right away, but I wanted to make sure that really everything was said and done. That was clearly the case, since nobody brough up any new arguments - not even until today. Clearly, I couldn't wait forever. Proponents of the move already had shown great patience during the months of discussion, and it would be unfair to keep a refuted version any longer. In this context, I also want to point out that this decision is not written in stone. We can always reconsider it, if new reasons are presented. — SebastianHelm — continues after insertion below
— Sebastian 22:00, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
Your inputMay be needed here. Thanks Kanatonian (talk) 23:33, 11 February 2008 (UTC) SLR Admin requestPlease see this. When you have time. Thanks Kanatonian (talk) 15:54, 14 February 2008 (UTC) Just regular Admin helpI need to move Jaffna Kingdom to Jaffna kingdom over redirect. This is per talk request about GA status. ThanksKanatonian (talk) 22:49, 18 February 2008 (UTC) (removal of blue box)Sorry for that, I didn't know. Good to have those rules! --TheFEARgod (Ч) 09:16, 27 April 2008 (UTC) Please assume good faith in your dealings with other editors, which you did not on User talk:Greatestrowerever. Assume that they are here to improve rather than harm Wikipedia. --Greatestrowerever (talk) 14:11, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
civilityI thought I would put this message here, as you were an admin contributing to the WikiProject Sri Lanka talk page and you might be able to give an opinion and/or take action if needed. Is shows your total stupidity and arrogance. directed towards myself a personal attack? and is it something that deserves a block against Bermudatriange ? Sennen goroshi (talk) 04:48, 2 May 2008 (UTC) I can't really be bothered to go through the whole ANI procedure again, when I make a report there it always turns into a tit for tat argument, I was hoping that you could take a look and simply dismiss my complaint against Bermudatriangle, or take action. I feel kinda bad about starting huge debates on ANI when it is something that could be dealt with in moments by an admin. thanks Sennen goroshi (talk) 04:48, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
English versionIs it possible to make an English stub of this German article. Thanks Kanatonian (talk) 21:30, 5 May 2008 (UTC) message from Bodhi DhanaHi Sebastian, I see that may be you have put in an Edit restriction on the article Sri Lanka place names. The article, originally "place names in the North and East" was destroyed and the current article was gradually put in [I was not able to look after it and guide it as I was having health problems]. So, starting from the present version, we need to attempt to imporve it. The present edit restriction freezes the article at what I consider to be the poor version. Also, various tags and falgs seem to be applied onto only the last section, where as the earlier sections also need modification. May be the Tags and warnings about bias needs to be put in to cover all sections for the present. Please indicate how to resolve this. Thank you.Bodhi dhana (talk) 12:35, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
Thank you, Bodhi dhana, for your polite request. I now took a closer look at the reverts, and I realize that there are indeed a considerable number of bad changes. It must be frustrating to see that cemented. I will reply more specifically on the article's talk page. I'm sorry to read about your health problems, and I wish you good health and a long life! Sebastian (talk) 15:13, 7 May 2008 (UTC) Still at itSeems Netmonger and Iwazaki are still at it, read this novel: [[20]]. Just ban them and be done with it. — Rlevse • Talk • 22:06, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
My name thereDiscussion is at User talk:Sarvagnya#Why your name was there. from me -_-well if this is all about saying THAT thing, i think i can safely ignore your remarks. To my knowledge there are a lot of bitching, scok puppeting and etc going on in wikipedia. And to block some one because he/she say such a thing, one must have to go beyond the line of stupidity. having said that, i want to let you know that I am back and hope to contribute, little by little from now on, coz i see a lot of tag team editing(destroying) of many articles related to sri lanka. What i found mostly amazing is they have tagged every site which says some thing against the ltte(who doesnt you might think) as anti-LTTE sites!!!! well funny things happen in wikipedia and hopefully we can correct them one by one--Iwazaki 会話。討論 15:38, 24 May 2008 (UTC) Re:Sri Lanka Hope AwardThanks for the award Sebastian, for all the work you've put in to solving the countless disputes, and for being the only neutral admin throughout. --snowolfD4 ( talk / @ ) 01:05, 26 May 2008 (UTC) You seem to be making most of this up!The following message was originally posted on the user page, in the sectionUser talk:SebastianHelm/Sri Lanka#WikiProject Sri Lanka Reconciliation: You seem to be making most of this up! I would encourage you to not do this!123.255.23.11 (talk) 22:53, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
thank youfor following your heart. Carptrash (talk) 05:49, 23 February 2015 (UTC) |