en User talk:Lumenlitt

Please could you provide me with instructions for posting a completed article on the wikipedia from my sandbox. Thank you.Lumenlitt (talk) 10:08, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Click the move tab, and put in the name for the article - ie, change it from "User:Lumen/foo" to "foo". Chzz ► 10:18, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Chzz, I asked the same question twice because I'm scared of losing the text.Lumenlitt (talk) 18:18, 25 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Question for administrator

{{adminhelp}} Type your question here.

I have an article which I believe is ready to be moved on to the wikipedia. However I wonder:

1. Is it recommended to request edit help?

2. Where is the name of my article? My user page only has my name on it. The first text that appears is the name of the author who is the subject of the article. Is that de facto the name of the article?

3. As this is an important move, will you help me execute the move or must I do it alone? Thanks very much

Thanks very much.

--Lumenlitt (talk) 20:11, 25 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Doing... - more here very soon... Chzz ► 20:30, 25 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It is better to work on articles in user subpages, and to keep your user page for a bit of info about yourself (if you wish), and 'handy links'. I have moved the proposed article to User:Lumenlitt/James Thackara, and I edited your user page, adding links to some other test pages - I wrote this;

'''My user subpages'''

*[[User:Lumenlitt/James Thackara]]
*[[User:Lumenlitt/Test one]]
*[[User:Lumenlitt/Test two]]
*[[User:Lumenlitt/Test three]]

The 'test' pages are currently red links, because they don't exist; you can create those, or edit your user page and add more. I hope this makes sense; have a look at User:Lumenlitt now - you can always access that page by clicking your username at the top-right-ish, small letters.

I have reformatted the article a bit; you don't need to manually create a 'table of contents', because it is an automatic function. Sections are made by putting e.g. == Works == and, for a subsection, === ===America’s Children===. Any page with 4 or more sections automatically gets a 'table of contents'.

I will, now, work on the page a little - other fix-ups; you'll be able to see what I've done by looking at the page history (this), and by clicking on (prev) alongside the edits, you'll see what I change.

Once I have had a chance to read through it, I will respond further. Cheers, Chzz ► 20:39, 25 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Question for administrator

{{adminhelp}} Type your question here. Hi Chzz, This is great. I might have done something wrong because I saved and dont know if I saved your edits. Would it be too much to ask you to look at the article to see if everything that you did is still there? I will stay out of it. Many thanks Lumenlitt (talk) 20:49, 25 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's fine; you can go ahead and edit it. There are a number of things to address; I'll have to come back to this a little later (in a few hours) - I'd like to add detail to the references, but it will be much easier to 'show you what I mean' later, than to try and explain.

Question - is this an autobiography, ie is it you? if so, you need to read WP:AUTO (if you haven't).

I also recommend reading WP:BIO.

So - as I said, you can carry on editing; I will try and edit it further in a few hours time. Cheers! Chzz ► 21:14, 25 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Another question - in, for example, reference 1 [1] - are you referencing the actual book, or are you referencing that website page? (You can just answer below; no need for an {{adminhelp}} or anything; I'll check back here) Chzz ► 21:17, 25 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Chzz,

Last first. The reference in the first footnote is to the book, not the website. I had trouble finding anything with only the book on it.

This is not an autobiography. It is a biography of the author James Thackara . I will read bio but can you advise if I have made any egregious errors?

I will continue editing tomorrow after I have read bio. However, my hope is that I have the article ready to go on to the wikipedia. Many thanks for your help! Lumenlitt (talk) 22:02, 25 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

OK - I'm working on improving the references - that's the first thing. I can't say much more about it until I can sort those out, and see where the facts are coming from. I'm adding citation templates - I'll do a few more; have a look at user:chzz/help/refs to see how they work. Things like that ref 1 need to give details of the actual book they cite, you see, rather than just a URL to an abstract - because the latter is just a 'convenience link', and not the actual thing used to verify the facts.

I'll carry on, and write more later. Cheers, Chzz ► 22:07, 25 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

OK - I have now added information to quite a few of the references - could you please look at the others. References really are the most critical part of an article, because the reader should be able to 'check the facts'. A reference to an online copy of an article is not enough; we need to know the title, publisher, date, etc. For some of the references, I can't find this information - for example, there is a reference to http://www.signonsandiego.com/ but it doesn't indicate which article, and I can't find it there by searching on the name. The ref to speakmag.com is similar - which issue, etc? Other references, such as Velga, Gema, Thackara: “El hombre tiene el don de reinventarse y el defecto do no lagrarlo” Diarios Martes, 19 junio 2001 - I don't know what this is; is it a book, a magazine? If I wanted to check it, I need to know the publisher or something.

There are also lots of facts in the article that are unreferenced, and anything lacking a reliable source can be removed. Therefore, if it goes live at the moment, it will start to look like this;

James Thackara was born in Los Angeles on Dec. 7, 1944^{[citation needed]} to the Argentinean James Justin Thackara and Ellen Louise Schmid of Greenville, Texas.^{[citation needed]} His mother’s Swiss father, Theodore Schmid, ran a cotton dealership on Shanghai’s Bund from 1921 to 1937^{[citation needed]} and her formative years thus embraced the Warlord and Kuomintang eras, and China's Long March.^{[citation needed]}

We're especially careful with biographic articles, and it really is likely that info lacking sources will be removed; that might actually mean reducing the length of the article, if there are no such sources available for some of the information presented.

The other concern is that it does not maintain a neutral point-of-view, and some of it seems to be [WP:OR|original research]] - for example, Thackara began the punishing search for his voice and subject, the book created the aesthetic landscape for his later work, He became more reclusive though he increasingly pursued questions of political action - I am not convinced that these are actual facts that can be verified.

An addition, the article currently lacks a lead section, which in Wikipedia is called a WP:LEDE - please read that link; a clear, consise summary of the whole article at the beginning, to give context, is very important. Oddly enough, the lede itself does not need references - because all things mentioned in it should be elaborated within the body of the article.

I hope this helps; I will leave you to it for now; please ask for further help at any time. Cheers, Chzz ► 22:38, 25 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Chzzz,

Thank you for your thoroughness. I have some questions which I hope will address some of the issues your raise. Can I ask if I can cite conversations with the author's editor, his still living mother, and classmates of his at Harvard that I knew all of whom I know.

Also, when inserting all details about references, do I put them into the text or in the list of references? Alternatively do I enter the details AND the link in the text.

Can I cite the author's Harverd College Class of 1967 Twenty Fith Report which has a very thorough treatment of sections which are referred to here. I look forward to hearing from you. Many thanks

Lumenlitt (talk) 09:55, 26 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Chzzz

I have spent some time going over the documents you recommended and your notes. I believe I am getting the hang of the citations and am making adjustments to suit the tone required. I will come back to you with questions as they occur, but in the mean time, I have some work to do! Thanks again. Lumenlitt (talk) 00:16, 27 October 2009 (UTC) {{adminhelp}}Hello, please may I ask for some clarification on entering foreign references. Each time I try to enter them according to what I believe is the citation template format I return to preview to find that they have been returned to another format. Are they handled differently? I should add that most of the articles hvde been taken off the web and are avialable only in printed format. Thanks very muchLumenlitt (talk) 12:05, 29 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Question for administrator

{{adminhelp}} Hello excuse me for repeating this but I am not sure that it got through the system.

Please may I ask for some clarification on entering foreign references. Each time I try to enter them according to what I believe is the citation template format, I return to preview to find that they have been returned to another format. Are they handled differently? I should add that most of the articles hvde been taken off the web and are avialable only in printed format. Thanks very much Lumenlitt (talk) 18:33, 29 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Could you please clarify what problem you are having? Perhaps a step-by-step walkthrough of what you have done and when the problem occurs. That would help me give more thorough advice.

I can advise that foreign language sources are perfectly acceptable. English is preferred, of course, but if the reference only exists in a foreign language there is no problem with that. Also, print-only sources are also OK, as long as they can be verified. So, for example, another user could find it in a bookstore or library, etc.

Finally, on a side note, please don't use the {{adminhelp}} template for questions such as these. General questions on using Wikipedia can be answered by any knowledgeable editor, so please use {{helpme}} in future.

Regards, AJ Cham 16:35, 30 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

{{helpme}}

Hello thanks for the help on foreign references. I notice that whislt my changes aer being made, the record of them has stopped being entered, even though I have been generally making a summary. Is this a matter for concnern? Many thanks

Lumenlitt (talk) 21:53, 5 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I'm afraid I'm a bit confused what you mean by "the record of them has stopped being entered...." All of your contributions are here, the edits to the article you're working on are here. Both lists show edits from November first, fourth, and fifth (today). Were you concerned some were missing? Let me know here, I'm watching - you don't need the helpme tag again. ;-] Fleetflame · whack! whack! · 22:30, 5 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks I dont know what it was, the changes were there but I thought the record was missing. Of course when I checked again it was thre. So sorry for the inconvenience Lumenlitt (talk) 14:42, 7 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. Glad it was all cleared up. :-] Fleetflame · whack! whack! · 16:55, 7 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

{{helpme}} Sorry to be a bother. When I now look at the preview, some of my refernces, whilst listed in the text are not listed in the list of references. This is a new development and I wonder if it has anything to do with the fact that Avraham blocked me for being abusive (which I have queried). Many thanksLumenlitt (talk) 17:44, 7 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Currently your article mixes use of {{citation}} and {{cite ...}} templates (such as {{cite book}}). I recall hearing that the two types should not be used in the same article, but it was never explained to me why this was. I'm guessing that the problems you are having are the explanation, so would recommend converting your {{citation}} templates to {{cite ...}} or vice versa. Regards, AJ Cham 18:14, 7 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, thanks. I'ved changed all refs to be of Citation style. I believe this article is ready to be added to the wiki. Please, is it too much to ask that it be looked over before hand to chekc that it complies with wiki regulations.

There are two issues still of concern. 1. References from 34 to the end are not listed in list of references even though they are in the text. 2. Avraham has apparently barred me for "abusive" usage of my id. I have queried him on this have no answer and the barring still occasionally appears when I log in. In sum, can you halp me with these last two matters and most importantly tell me if this is ready to go on wiki. Thanks very much Lumenlitt (talk) 11:17, 8 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have cleaned up your references and fixed the problem that was causing references 35-43 to not display. Please be consistent with date style; you had about five different styles mixed together:-) I think the article is ready to be moved (do not cut and paste) to the mainspace to the extent that it is highly unlikely to be speedily deleted. However, it has a very large problem in my opinion with neutral point of view. It sounds like an advocacy piece ("this author is so great and here's why") rather than treating him with the neutrality we require of encyclopedic entries. It's full of peacock language and overwrought in many places. Regarding being blocked, your IP address may have been caught in an autoblock but your account has never been blocked. Please see Wikipedia:Autoblock.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:24, 8 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks for that. The evaluation of the author conmes from his reviews but I will nonethless give the piece a gthorough review before moving. I appreciate your help and opinions. Lumenlitt (talk) 15:57, 8 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have further questions? There is still an active admin help template on this page (just above your last comment). Tan | 39 16:36, 8 November 2009 (UTC)no but thanks very much for your monitoring. I'm ready to go on, having toned down the article Lumenlitt (talk) 13:36, 9 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Block

To what are you referring? I see no block on User:79.73.32.19. -- Avi (talk) 15:14, 9 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Whilst I am sure I saw it, I apologise if I have misread something and made a mistake.Lumenlitt (talk) 22:02, 9 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Moving Article

This article is ready to be moved. When I entered the move menu, I read that it was assumed that the article had no subpages when in fact it is itself a subpage. Have I misunderstood? Should I simply move the article by renaming and not be concerend about the small text concerning subpages? Thanks for your help.Lumenlitt (talk) 22:40, 9 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What is the article? (Link?) Comment back on my talk page if you can, please. Thanks IShadowed ✰ 22:43, 9 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I assume you mean User:Lumenlitt/James Thackara? On the 'move' just make the "To new title" read James Thackara. -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 22:47, 9 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

File copyright problem with File:James_Thackara.jpg

Thank you for uploading File:James_Thackara.jpg. However, it currently is missing information on its copyright status. Wikipedia takes copyright very seriously. It may be deleted soon, unless we can determine the license and the source of the file. If you know this information, then you can add a copyright tag to the image description page.

If you have uploaded other files, consider checking that you have specified their license and tagged them, too. You can find a list of files you have uploaded by following this link.

If you have any questions, please feel free to ask them at the media copyright questions page. Thanks again for your cooperation. Chris G Bot (talk) 00:27, 10 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Talkback

Hello, Lumenlitt. You have new messages at Wikipedia:Media copyright questions.
Message added 17:22, 11 November 2009 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

ukexpat (talk) 17:22, 11 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Copyright for a photo

Thanks for the message. I am not an expert on the OTRS/permissions process but what you aPproposing to do looks OK to me. One thing to note - OTRS is manned by volunteers so it may take them a few days to process your e-mail. – ukexpat (talk) 15:52, 13 November 200 9 (UTC)

Thanks UKEXPAT, most expecially for your comment about not being an expert. Please excuse me if I send the same message to the media copyright center. I onlyh have till the 17th to do this and have to get it right. In factg I might do both send it in and get an answer from media centre. Lumenlitt (talk) 16:46, 13 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

unblock request

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

Lumenlitt (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

79.73.72.8

Decline reason:

{{checkuserblock}}: [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Tom Sayle]]

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

You shouldn't be affected by that block, as it's set to allow registered editing... are you sure you were logged in when you got that message? m.o.p 19:20, 16 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

revision history request

Hello, Today when I checked in, I discovered that my revision history, which up to now has recorded changes made until November 17, has been truncated and only includes changes up to October 25. This may be a function of net connection but if not, can you tell me why this happened and what effect it has on the text itelf? Many thanks LumenlittLumenlitt (talk) 11:07, 19 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I would guess you were looking at the wrong page: Special:Contributions/Lumenlitt shows your latest contributions, and at the time of writing the latest one was this edit to James Thackara, about twenty-five minutes ago. You will see there are links there to show older revisions than the 50 listed, and clicking that link twice takes you to here, which currently goes up to October 25. If the first link I gave you is not showing as I described try bypassing your cache and see if that fixes it. Regards, AJ Cham 11:50, 19 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Soory about placing my messsage on yyour page. I just read your instructions which are a real help. I have been trying to figure out how to do talkback

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neutrality question

Can you help me? I have been working on my article about James Thackara ever since I saw that its neutrality was queried and it was criticised for its grammar, copyediting and spelling. I believe I have corrected all such issues. Can you tell me if the comments will be reassessed and I hope removed Many thanks lulemlittLumenlitt (talk) 21:22, 22 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Lumenlitt. If you believe the issues have been addressed, you may remove the tags, but leave a message on the article talk page stating why. Try to just basically tell the things to did to address the issues, and if someone puts the tags back up, don't just take them off again - ask them why. Further questions? let me know! Fleetflame · whack! whack! · 21:30, 22 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

By the way, the article looks awesome. You've done some great work. Cheers! Fleetflame · whack! whack! · 21:32, 22 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Lumenlitt. You have new messages at Lumenlitt's talk page.
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Hi, Thanks so much for this. A compliment from you means a great deal! I have left a comment on the article's talk page. But I do not know how to remove the tags on James Thackara's article. Can you or someoneone help me with that? many thanks lulemlittLumenlitt (talk) 22:02, 22 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

user name change

Hello, Quite a while back, I changed my user name from my own name to the user name I have now. It was indeed to avoid having messages directed my attention. Now however, I find that on google and yahoo searches, my name appears as an entry as user, along with the article I created. This may be the result of an algorithm but it is of most concern and excatly the opposite to what was intended. Please can you advise me? Thank you lumenlitt Lumenlitt (talk) 11:10, 25 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Lumenlitt, give me a sec, I'm just looking into it. I'll be back shortly with a response. AJ Cham 11:25, 25 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

On second thoughts, given that any discussion of this matter will involve mentioning your real name, and discussing that here would just exacerbate this issue further, I'll contact you by email, if that is OK. AJ Cham 11:27, 25 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Talkback

Hello, Lumenlitt. You have new messages at Fleetflame's talk page.
Message added 23:55, 26 November 2009 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.[reply]

In case you didn't see my answer. Cheers! Fleetflame · whack! whack! · 23:55, 26 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Email problems

Hi Lumenlitt - my latest email to you bounced, with the error that you are "over quota". I presume this means you need to delete some old emails before you can receive any new ones. Please let me know when this is sorted and I will resend my email. AJ Cham 11:49, 27 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hello AJCham I am not sure at what point in the cycle we are, however, I have cleaned up my eamil and would be keen tio hear your response. Many thanks Lumenlitt (talk) 15:15, 30 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Access challenge

Hello AJCham, Forgive my email to you o(ut of hoursl It appears that I was mistaken about access as it now apears to be working. Did you fix this too? Thank you.