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User talk:Lear 21
CIAI was a little bemused by their describing the european commission as the 'cabinet'. Perhaps it makes more sense from an American perspective where there is a clearer division between administrators and law makers. In the UK I would expect the cabinet to be originating new legislation. I did notice they did not mention sport. Sandpiper 09:53, 14 November 2007 (UTC) Berlin mapHi Lear 21. Thanks for your positive feedback. I'm going to leave the map as it is for the moment, to see how people react to it. I admit that the EU part is somewhat small in the present version, but it has the advantage that, in spite of the addition of a second map, the map of Germany remains exactly the same size as before, which may just help to calm down those valiant defenders of it... athinaios (talk) 17:12, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Perfect! Lear 21 (talk) 17:36, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
EU status /EU article/ EU in lists/ Rationale1. External acknowledgments 2. Wikipedia internal acknowledgments
3. Conclusions
Rebuttal Lear, you have more than once referred to this list, arguing it explains your edits. This list of information chosen by yourself does not constitute a balanced argument for anything. 1a) The CIA starts by saying the EU is not a country and not a federation, but may become one in the future and thus they have an entry on it. The CIA may be paid to crystal ball gaze, but we are not. Wiki reports what is, not what may be in the future. 1b) The IMF maintains some information on the EU, I would agree quite correctly, but does not list it as a country [1]. Instead they list statistics for 16 different trade areas, including the EU [2]. 1 cde) Lots of organisations have flags, including the local yacht club. Does that make it a country? My old school has a school song and coat of arms. Does that make it a country? 2) wikipedia debate on inclusion of EU in lists has reached no consensus, except perhaps to include it where relevant but not to rank it as per normal countries. Obviously, in some respects the EU behaves like a country and other editors including me are happy to talk about it in a country like manner, where it performs that role (eg international agreements on trade). But in many other areas it has no country-like powers and it does not make sense to treat it as though it did. 2a) The EU was and still is manily a trade agreement, so obviously it has many institutions and rules about trade. However, its budget is tiny compared to national ones, and it has negligible tax raising powers. The parliament is, frankly, little more than a democratic fig leaf and has even less authority than the EU as a whole. As parliaments go, it admittedly has a large operating budget, but this is not generally considered a plus. 2etc) Already discussed. The CIA say it may one day become a state but isnt: the IMF list it as one of 16 world trade organisations. Your examples. The evidence of the IMF page is clearly that it is not unique. I and other do not disagree that various institutions ought to be mentioned in lists where relevant, but that does not make all those institutions equivalent or mean they should be treated in the same way. I am personally somewhat sceptical of this sui generis claim. In the sense that none of these international institutions is alike, they are all unique and sui generis. However, they are also all the same, international agreements to carry out some function between states. 3a) Surely your conclusion demonstrates that the EU cannot be treated in an article in the same way a country would be. You are agreeing it operates in an utterly different way, and differently depending upon what field is being discussed. An article on the EU has to concentrate on discussing the peculiarities of it as an organisation, not those areas where it might operate like a nation. This is especially true with an example like sport, where its essential similarity to most nations is that they do absolutely nothing towards organising sport, leaving it to independant private organisations. In the EU case it equally problematic to discuss, for example, the national sport. 27 member countries have quite a number of national sports, and compete against each other in world sporting organisations. When there is an EU team, perhaps we should reconsider mentioning it. 3b) the advice on designing country articles specifically states that it is up to the editors of a particular page to decide what elements are important. No article should include pro-forma sections which are irrelevant to that particular subject. The simple fact we are arguing about this demonstrates there is no agreement that it is appropriate to write about the EU as if it was a country. 3c) The greatest objection to discussing sport in the EU article is that it is simply a minor point. The very multiplicity of different sports in different countries means there is little which can usefully be said in a short summary, even if it were considered relevant. It also needs to be born in mind that anyone thinking in term of the culture etc. of Europe, should be looking in the article about Europe, not the article about the Eu, which is a totally different thing without any territory of its own. 3d) I'm not sure what this is arguing? No one is claiming the EU does nothing. Sandpiper (talk) 17:09, 17 December 2007 (UTC) European Union talk pageJust to make you aware, if you were not already, of this. SouthernElectric 17:33, 3 December 2007 (UTC) EU article structureYou posted an edit comment,reestablished standard logic order recommended by GA/FA requirements/ Geo has high priority because it is mentioned in the first sentence of the intro/ Environ is Geo and NOT Social policy Can you please give details explaining what you mean in more detail and provide links to where it is explained on the relevant wiki pages? I doubt there is any policy regarding whether a section on the environment is geography or social policy, so can you also explain your reasoning about this too? This section is talking about laws made by the EU which affect the environment. Sandpiper (talk) 14:01, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Read [3] and understand why the EU is country-like. The location and topographical features (Geography) are dominantly prioritized at the top of those articles. As a GA article it also follows Wikipedia recommendations to organize an article according to its introduction. The location (Geography) is mentioned in the 1. sentence of the introduction. That is why Geography is among the top sections in the EU article. Environment as a subsection most dominantly includes issues associated with Geography . There is no convincing reason why Environment is included in social policy. Lear 21 (talk) 15:34, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
European Merit
Many thanks SSJ ! Maybe Santa Claus has also something prepared for Norwegian editors.... Lear 21 (talk) 14:54, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
EU stucturePlease Lear be real. Restructuring is not mere maintenance and at the moment highly contested. By calling a restructure maintenance you will increase rather then solve the level of dispute. Be honest in what you do and why. Contentwise - Environmental policy should not be a subsection of geography, it has little to do with each other. Arnoutf (talk) 12:30, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
EU revertsPlease DO NOT revert multiple edits piecemeal. Your edits have destroyed the correct and constructive edits by User:Chochopk. While you may consider that collateral damage, for me that is just not acceptable and dangerously close to vandalism. Please respect useful edits even if this cause you some more work responding to edits by others. Arnoutf (talk) 19:07, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
My edits have reestablished major parts of consensus layout. If there are parts which have been deleted by mistake, I´m sorry. Lear 21 (talk) 19:18, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
Did you photograph Image:Thefalloftheberlinwall1989.JPG yourself? If not, the description is misleading. Superm401 - Talk 21:21, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
much of the EU functioning depends upon agreement between membersIf you feel this is a false statement, please produce some references explaining this. The EU ref you produced instead states that most EU activities do depend upon agreement between members in an intergovernmental manner. I explained this in more detail on the EU talk page, but you did not respond. Sandpiper (talk) 15:31, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
the Superpower articleWith regards to the references changes made here, why did you make them? My changes here shortened the list of references by a bit which I thought was a good thing. --Rockfang (talk) 12:10, 6 March 2008 (UTC) Go ahead on trimming some refs, I only reverted to control the size size of the leading image.Lear 21 (talk) 15:52, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
EU single marketThe section has become to long. It should be trimmed by at least 2 paragraphs. When I look at the last para, it becomes clear that highly specific information has been introduced. That is too much. User:Lear 21, posted to sandpiper.
The last para of the section is the best evidence of an in depth detail content. If this is not addressed sometimes soon, there is probably no other choice that I look at the overlenghty content. Lear 21 (talk) 10:26, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
EU page, table of citiesLear, you reverted my change increasing the height of rows in the table. My reason for doing this was that with the previous height, the title is overlapped by the border of the table and can not be read properly. I therefore increased the height to make it readable. I have not the skill to just make the title higher above the page, so this is the best I could do. Please either reinsert my fixup so that the title is readable again, or fix it properly. It is not acceptable to simply remove my alteration and leave the title in a mess, which you have now done twice. I also posted this explanation on the chat page, but you have not responded. Sandpiper (talk) 10:57, 8 March 2008 (UTC) Reasons for change to EU introduction?Lear, while I have seen several version of the introduction you have suggested, I have yet to see an explanation of why you want to change it. Can you please explain what you believe to be wrong with the version in place when you returned to editing? Every one else was happy with it. Sandpiper (talk) 14:57, 9 March 2008 (UTC) How often do you need repeated answers? Citations? References? To be honest, I don´t want to know! I can only identify this behaviour and the following edits. PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESE STOP INSERTING WEAK, UNRECOMMENDED LAYOUT, FALSE INTER/SUPRA BALANCE ! UNDERSTAND? Probably not. Lear 21 (talk) 15:10, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
@henrik: I´m not sure, what policy Wikpedia has prepared in this case. You might want to cite this. I rather consider this my personal page. I wouldn´t choose these determined words in official article discussions. If there are policies, prohibiting to answer constant provocations, I will delete my statement again. Lear 21 (talk) 15:27, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
I amended the statement. Lear 21 (talk) 15:41, 9 March 2008 (UTC) Lear, no one except you suggested the item was not sourced. You have not produced any ref which demonstrates the content is incorrect, the one you quoted twice shows the reverse. The previous wording specifically avoided claiming the EU was either supranational, or intergovernmental, but a mixture of both. I believe this to be correct. You have not produced any refs to the contrary. Someone else several pages ago on talk produced some quotes from a recognised textbook saying the same thing. In effect, your edits appear to be promoting the idea that the EU is a supranational state. It isn't. As to layout, the style reference you quoted in fact was talking about body text of an article, not the introduction. I have quoted back to you large chunks of style guide specifically about how to write an introduction, which support the introduction layout before you changed it, but you feel they should be ignored. In the process of amending the introductions meaning you have also considerably muddled it and made the remaining information harder to read. So I put the question back to you, do you have reasons to support changing the introduction? Sandpiper (talk) 21:16, 10 March 2008 (UTC) I see you have now posted in a different debate on the EU page, that the EU enacts legislation by intergovernmental procedures. Does this not contradict your position in other sections? How can you argue it is supranational in support of your point in one section, yet argue it is intergovernmental in support of a different point in another? Sandpiper (talk) 11:10, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Accusation of vandalismI notice you have put accusations of vandalism in your recent edit of the EU article page. I am uncertain that this is justified or necessary, when looking at the Wikipedia:Vandalism article. I think perhaps talking these things over on the discussion page would be better than engaging in edit wars that achieve little. Simply reverting between versions with these sort of inflamatory remarks won't get the article anywhere. Lwxrm (talk) 18:10, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
The edit of the respective user removed an image in the EU Geography section. The respective user has done this repeatedly before. This change of content has been rejected by several editors before and was discussed in the past. So Yes! in the light of this history, it is justified to name this a vandalism act. Lear 21 (talk) 12:43, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
Edit to Bundesland template from IP addressIt is clear that these two changes - [7] [8] - were made by you. As I said, I have no preference either way with the flags, but if you are going to make changes, then do so when logged in. - 52 Pickup (deal) 12:17, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
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Just doing interpretation of what you say can only mean the following:
I guess you do not mean the above interpretation, but that is what you sentence means. Please be carefull when adding these kind of arguments. Thanks. Arnoutf (talk) 12:42, 24 March 2008 (UTC) As long the term "sovereign countries" is mentioned, there should be no problem to amend the sentence. Note, that this term is only supported because of the existing term "international organization" in order to counterbalance it. Lear 21 (talk) 12:50, 24 March 2008 (UTC) Data for 2008!Here is the 2008 data!!!Dont be confused http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/weo/2007/02/weodata/weorept.aspx?sy=2007&ey=2008&ssd=1&sort=country&ds=.&br=1&pr1.x=39&pr1.y=4&c=512%2C941%2C914%2C446%2C612%2C666%2C614%2C668%2C311%2C672%2C213%2C946%2C911%2C137%2C193%2C962%2C122%2C674%2C912%2C676%2C313%2C548%2C419%2C556%2C513%2C678%2C316%2C181%2C913%2C682%2C124%2C684%2C339%2C273%2C638%2C921%2C514%2C948%2C218%2C686%2C963%2C688%2C616%2C518%2C223%2C728%2C516%2C558%2C918%2C138%2C748%2C196%2C618%2C278%2C522%2C692%2C622%2C694%2C156%2C142%2C624%2C449%2C626%2C564%2C628%2C283%2C228%2C853%2C924%2C288%2C233%2C293%2C632%2C566%2C636%2C964%2C634%2C182%2C238%2C453%2C662%2C968%2C960%2C922%2C423%2C714%2C935%2C862%2C128%2C716%2C611%2C456%2C321%2C722%2C243%2C942%2C248%2C718%2C469%2C724%2C253%2C576%2C642%2C936%2C643%2C961%2C939%2C813%2C644%2C199%2C819%2C184%2C172%2C524%2C132%2C361%2C646%2C362%2C648%2C364%2C915%2C732%2C134%2C366%2C652%2C734%2C174%2C144%2C328%2C146%2C258%2C463%2C656%2C528%2C654%2C923%2C336%2C738%2C263%2C578%2C268%2C537%2C532%2C742%2C944%2C866%2C176%2C369%2C534%2C744%2C536%2C186%2C429%2C925%2C178%2C746%2C436%2C926%2C136%2C466%2C343%2C112%2C158%2C111%2C439%2C298%2C916%2C927%2C664%2C846%2C826%2C299%2C542%2C582%2C443%2C474%2C917%2C754%2C544%2C698&s=PPPGDP&grp=0&a= —Preceding unsigned comment added by Medicineman84 (talk • contribs) 18:20, 11 April 2008 (UTC) I´m afraid you are wrong. Your link/reference is outdated (Oct 2007). This is the new one (April 2008) for 2007 [11]. The new figures are very different now, probably because of a new data methodology. Lear 21 (talk) 18:26, 11 April 2008 (UTC) Hi Lear, You've once introduced the table to the mentioned article. I have put a question regarding this table on its talk page. Perhaps, you can answer it. Tomeasy (talk) 11:56, 25 April 2008 (UTC) Edits in article on GermanyHi Lear21,
Potential great powersHi, could you please clarify your vote at the Talk:Potential great powers page on Mexico? If you are voting, please put your vote in the Support Removal or Oppose format that the other votes are in. This will help us tally the votes at the end. Thanks! Felipe C.S ( talk ) 17:53, 18 May 2008 (UTC) The Mediation discussion regarding the inclusion of the EU in List of countries by GDP (nominal) has come to a conclusion with the following result:
Unless there are significant disagreements within the next 48 hours I will be closing the Mediation. Any questions, please get in touch. Regards SilkTork *YES! 11:03, 21 June 2008 (UTC) Thank you for your message on my talk page.Thank you for your message on my talk page. I've done one pie chart for the 2006 revenue and another for the 2006 expenditure, and now we know where the detailed tables are, I can do them stretching back to 2000 when time permits. 2007 onwards will be more difficult, since the basis for the 2007-2013 budget period has changed, but shouldn't be insurmountable. At the risk of sounding silly, did you mean to award me a barnstar? I can't think of any other reason for the format of the message that you left. Regards, Anameofmyveryown (talk) 20:47, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
External Link Revision?Hi Lear21, I'm completely new to editing wikipedia, so forgive me any violation of rules. My first entry ever (not registered user) to wikipedia was an external link to 360cities.net, where I contribute to the berlin subdomain berlin.360cities.net. This has been removed by you on 2 July 2008 14:11 as far as I understand and I would like to learn why? I must admit that I'm very proud of my images and I have made an effort to enter an english description to most of the places. So I thought it would be a good idea to link to this website and I cannot see any principle difference to the existing link pointing to another website with 360° panorama content. Yours, Michael —Preceding unsigned comment added by MStoss (talk • contribs) 22:08, 12 July 2008 (UTC) Reichsgründung1871-AW.jpgWhy did you revert my edit relating the above image on Germany. If it was just a byproduct of other intended reverts, then please reinstall it. Tomeasy T C 12:41, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
post WW II map on GermanyHi Lear, You know I enjoy editing with you. We share interest in many articles and I really appreciate your edits. With respect to the subject, I wanted to request you to lay back a little bit. I understand your point, you certainly have a point, but I do not see the new map as going the way you are afraid of. OK, we disagree on that, but after all is it so important that you need to revert this change again and again. In the talk section you are the only one opposing the change. I know numeracy is not an argument by which we can decide who's wrong and who's right. But you should at least see that your many opponents produced a whole bunch of genuine arguments to support their position. I can understand, if your own arguments weigh heavier for you than ours, but consider that for us it is the other way around. Even though, the change-side was stronger in numbers from the beginning, we had been discussing with you while the old version prevailed. Now that two more established users take the changing-position, wouldn't you agree that, if you really need to prolong this issue, it should happen while the most wanted version is live. As you have just seen, others are ready to re-revert you. Where will this go to in the end? We will just clutter the history functionality of the article by some more useless versions. Last comment: Even if a clear right position existed in this can, and you were right, would it legitimate to impose yourself on 4-5 editors, who are genuinely producing evidence for their position in order to convince you to join them? Tomeasy T C 14:04, 29 July 2008 (UTC) I answered with a new talk topic on the Germany page. Lear 21 (talk) 14:37, 29 July 2008 (UTC) On 23/May/08 you posted on Talk:United States "inspite of US financial crises world economy and eurozone is not affected", here is some bad news for you: August 2008: US GDP rebounds with 3.3% growth August 2008: Europe's major economies contract August 2008: Dollar increases against the euro U.S. combat deaths in Iraq plunge in July to new low Only 4 US combat deaths in the whole of July 2008 There will be further bad news in Novemeber when Barack Hussain Obama would be defeated similar to the defeat of his terrorist allies in Germany and Iraq. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.194.93.87 (talk) 14:17, 31 August 2008 (UTC) BerlinThere are obviously two schools of thoughts, the inclusionists and those wanting to move as much as possible into the linked articles. In this case I feel that a little too much data got into the main article. A summary of the most relevant population groups is probably better than the exact number of the non German population in Berlin. The same can be applied to details about the Charite. What is your opinion ? Inwind (talk) 14:30, 31 August 2008 (UTC) The list of immigrant nationalities is a standard part of every quality city article. The complete content in the health system section is needed because the ultimate size of the section ensures a certain layout style. The written content gets to small, while the Charite image appears to big . Lear 21 (talk) 19:56, 1 September 2008 (UTC) Message for youCan you please reply to Template_talk:Capital_cities_of_the_European_Union#Flag ?Gnevin (talk) 20:14, 9 November 2008 (UTC) The answer has been already given. I see no reason to elaborate the issue in a more detailed way. It is a minor issue. all the best Lear 21 (talk) 19:44, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi Lear 21. Please be mindful of WP:MOSFLAG. Adding icons and photographs for decorative purposes is discouraged and generally frowned upon. --Jza84 | Talk 19:22, 22 November 2008 (UTC) Jza84, please be mindful and stop promote or support the removal of important visual content of any article or templates. Thanks Lear 21 (talk) 19:30, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
I suggest, you read the policy WP:MOSFLAG carefully. It reads: 1. Flag images should be useful to the reader, not merely decorative. (That is the case, regarding the template, as it indicates the topic of the template) 2. Flag icons may be appropriate as a visual navigational aid in tables, infoboxes or lists provided that citizenship, nationality or jurisdiction is intimately tied to the topic at hand. (That is clearly the case as well) Your quote: "adding flags (particularly supranational flags) is contentious and unwanted on Wikipedia" is POV and not supported by WP:MOSFLAG 1. & 2. I suggest you read and understand the policy before advocating its rules. all the best Lear 21 (talk) 20:24, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
I´m one of those editors, who established an long edit history of introducing and maintaining high quality visual content in every dimension. Lear 21 (talk) 16:02, 25 November 2008 (UTC) moved to correct place,I think
flag is needed for orientation and is related to the content - no violation of any guideline means nothing. The mos does not support your usage . Please stop reverting . Gnevin (talk) 21:53, 26 November 2008 (UTC) Your talking Chinese, PLUS: You seem to be unable to read or interpret the English language. WP:MOSFLAG does not forbid measured usage of flags when related to content. That is the case. AND furthermore it is a guideline:
. I consider this discussion as solved. all the best Lear 21 (talk) 22:04, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
Portuguese euro coin.Lear 21, the Portuguese euro coin IS NOT a commemorative coin. All Portuguese 1 and 2 euro coins have that seal, and will have. Lusci (talk) 16:24, 25 November 2008 (UTC) Orphaned non-free media (Image:EinsteinPlanck.JPG)
If you have uploaded other unlicensed media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that all non-free media not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. BJBot (talk) 05:20, 28 November 2008 (UTC) EU on population listHi, you added a note about the EU population size on the population list a little while ago, just to let you know theres a note right at the bottom of the table which mentions the EU as well with a different figure. Not sure which is the most accurate or where it belongs (at top / bottom or at both ends) but thought id let you know just incase you didnt see it. BritishWatcher (talk) 00:15, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
Warning regarding edit warring on Template:Infobox German BundeslandPer this ANI report, please stop edit-warring on the above article. You have been reverted many times by multiple users - a clear indication that you have no support for the change you wish to make. You are strongly encouraged to take notice of the consensus reached on the article talk-page. Continued reversions or edit-warring will lead to your account being blocked to prevent further disruption to Wikipedia. EyeSerenetalk 20:01, 15 December 2008 (UTC) A longstanding version (more than a year) of the Template:Infobox German Bundesland have been recently altered by two users claiming WP:Flags. There is no policy that suggests or recommends the edits done by these two users namely User:Barryob and User:Gnevin. The two users refuse to argue otherwise than upholding a "recommendation" of a "guideline" or are incapable of citing other arguments. Since Wikipedia is based on discussion and consensus, I consider the established version as valid. all the best Lear 21 (talk) 00:48, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
File:1pBvVgs3PAAEDrGKb3MJqiXgB.medium.jpg listed for deletionAn image or media file that you uploaded or altered, File:1pBvVgs3PAAEDrGKb3MJqiXgB.medium.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion. Please see the discussion to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. Skier Dude (talk) 05:11, 26 December 2008 (UTC) Happy New YearCheers Lear, Happy New Year to you too. — Blue-Haired Lawyer 12:50, 5 January 2009 (UTC) Thanks a lot, the same to you! —Nightstallion 20:24, 5 January 2009 (UTC) Happy New Year, Lear. Sure, we will keep improving the EU related articles. United in diversity! Tomeasy T C 21:17, 5 January 2009 (UTC) Thanks Lear, happy new year to you, Buon anno!! Gdmercury (talk) 12:32, 8 January 2009 (UTC) The EU was completely removed from List of countries and outlying territories by total area, claiming new consensus, can you please start a RfC, i don't know how.--217.112.186.238 (talk) 17:04, 6 January 2009 (UTC) If you want to support this more seriously, get a decent member of Wikipedia. It would ensure higher credibility during argumentations. You are much needed in this discussion. all the best Lear 21 (talk) 01:32, 8 January 2009 (UTC) CanvassingLear, you surely know better than to canvass editors in violation of WP:CANVASS. This biased notice, sent to editors you know will express a certain viewpoint, is a blatant attempt to votestack, and is prohibited. Please do not resume canvassing editors; if you do, you will likely be blocked for violating WP guidelines. Thanks. Parsecboy (talk) 14:08, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
Hungarian HistoryWhat's your problem with Hungarian History? Medieval Hungary was one of the strongest state in the continent, wich could dare successfully with Byzantine Empire or Holy Roman Empire or Ottoman Empire in their strong periods. Medieval Hungarian kings and their palaces and inland revenues were often bigger than other other main European states. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.44.8.211 (talk) 15:10, 8 January 2009 (UTC) The section covers almost half the articles content. Comparing the section with other country articles it seems appropriate to cut it down or to transfer it to a main article of Hungarian History. all the best Lear 21 (talk) 15:16, 8 January 2009 (UTC) "Since no-one has chosen to explain how on earth these three constitute part of the inclusion criteria of this list, I can only conclude that my arguments are accepted and that they do not. Thus I am moving them back to the bottom of the list--Pfainuk"--217.112.186.47 (talk) 01:54, 16 January 2009 (UTC) http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_sovereign_states&diff=prev&oldid=264524995 --217.112.186.73 (talk) 20:03, 16 January 2009 (UTC) @Pfainuk: Please stop your paranoia about "souvereignity" and the following fuzz you are stirring in several articles at Wikipedia. Lear 21 (talk) 17:21, 17 January 2009 (UTC) AN/ILear, your behavior with regards to the EU's inclusion at the various lists has become very disturbing to me; you have all but stated outright that you intend to disregard any consensus that disagrees with you and edit-war to ensure your version is upheld. This is totally incompatible with how Wikipedia works. I have posted a thread concerning this issue here. Please take a step back from this dispute and evaluate the situation rationally. Regards, Parsecboy (talk) 19:52, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
Flag
I suggest every interested editor rather starts talking before removing established content without discussion. This basic rule is also valid for administrator editors. Lear 21 (talk) 19:47, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
Every image is symbolic. I´m afraid everybody (also Future Perfect) needs to argue very long why an EU membership, which is best visualized by the most wellknown symbol has no encyclopedic information. In fact the EU flag has a very high degree of information assets. If anybody is unsure about the degree of involvement of the EU in terms of national economy, read this: European Union. Another thing, there is only one editor for one country article who argues for a removal. That is nothing new because EU related content is always under constant attack for the last 3 years in several articles. Nevertheless, presenting visual content which indicates an EU membership certainly adds to a comprehensive understanding of all country articles involved. The central discussion for this issue is here: [12] all the best Lear 21 (talk) 20:06, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
@Vb: Interesting point of view to state that Belgium including Brussels has nothing to do with the European Union. Can you cite your opinion ? Belgium is the location of several major EU institutions. It is more than natural to give credit to this fact in a country article including images. The very second sentence in the article writes: "It is a founding member of the European Union and hosts its headquarters". I repeat the 2. sentence in the introduction ! A good article has to present the issues mentioned in the article including images ! If there is one country article where the flag plus a descriptive caption is most useful, than it is the Belgium article. all the best Lear 21 (talk) 11:59, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
Obviously Flanders and Wallonia have their visual representation, in the section "Communities and regions". Again, the very second sentence emphasizes the EU involvements of Belgium. It is clear that these involvements are of higher degrees than to NATO for instance. Lear 21 (talk) 15:13, 26 March 2009 (UTC) Will you stop your senseless reverts?You are also reverting incorrect information in ethnic group box. Phoenix of9 (talk) 17:55, 26 March 2009 (UTC) ReportedYou've been reported for edit-warring at WP:AN3. Fut.Perf. ☼ 10:39, 29 March 2009 (UTC) Blocked for 7 days {{unblock|Your reason here}} below, but you should read our guide to appealing blocks first. Black Kite 12:10, 5 April 2009 (UTC) Lear 21 (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log)) Request reason: User Lear 21 is a well established contributer to Wikipedia and holds the most edits to the of article Germany which is today one of most frequented (among the Top 200). The article itself is credited FA status, was featured article of the day and its layout has been used as a model for several other country articles. Lear 21 has a proven record of influencing the progress of the article. He has a long record of serious contributions, maintenance work, inserting sources, developing the design, researching and introducing images etc. The accusations which lead to the current block include false allegations, biased reports and need to be put into perspective. The conflict evolves around an image in one section which has been installed there for several months. At the very moment user Tone and user Husond have argued at the talk page for the removal of the long established image without alternative, while user Lear 21 and user KJohansson have argued for its permanent presence. Obviously there has been no new consensus achieved to remove the image because of 2 editors on each side. Nevertheless, users Tone and Husond claim to have a consensus. After ongoing edit reverts from all participants, only user Lear 21 got accused of edit warring. The report has been declined [13]. After this report a new consensus at the Germany talk page has not been achieved (still 2 users advocating one version). This is now the second try to remove one editor from discussions while reporting him (Lear 21) at the noticeboard. These are dishonest methods after realizing that no new opinion at the talk page has been achieved. Furthermore the edit records of user Tone and Husond indicate the same intensity of reverts. The current block decision was based on false facts and biased accusations and seems overdrawn. It should be reversed or at least shortened. I will keep the promise to stick the discussions pages in order to achieve a solution for all. all the best Lear 21 Decline reason: This request was posted with an unregistered IP address. Please log in to appeal your block or your IP address may be blocked for block evasion. Hersfold (t/a/c) 19:05, 6 April 2009 (UTC) If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.53.12.126 (talk) 16:59, 6 April 2009 (UTC) Lear 21 (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log)) Request reason: User Lear 21 is a well established contributer to Wikipedia and holds the most edits to the of article Germany which is today one of most frequented (among the Top 200). The article itself is credited FA status, was featured article of the day and its layout has been used as a model for several other country articles. Lear 21 has a proven record of influencing the progress of the article. He has a long record of serious contributions, maintenance work, inserting sources, developing the design, researching and introducing images etc. The accusations which lead to the current block include false allegations, biased reports and need to be put into perspective. The conflict evolves around an image in one section which has been installed there for several months. At the very moment user Tone and user Husond have argued at the talk page for the removal of the long established image without alternative, while user Lear 21 and user KJohansson have argued for its permanent presence. Obviously there has been no new consensus achieved to remove the image because of 2 editors on each side. Nevertheless, users Tone and Husond claim to have a consensus. After ongoing edit reverts from all participants, only user Lear 21 got accused of edit warring. The report has been declined [14]. After this report a new consensus at the Germany talk page has not been achieved (still 2 users advocating one version). This is now the second try to remove one editor from discussions while reporting him (Lear 21) at the noticeboard. These are dishonest methods after realizing that no new opinion at the talk page has been achieved. Furthermore the edit records of user Tone and Husond indicate the same intensity of reverts. The current block decision was based on false facts and biased accusations and seems overdrawn. It should be reversed or at least shortened. I will keep the promise to stick the discussions pages in order to achieve a solution for all. all the best Lear 21Lear 21 (talk) 16:13, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
Please include a decline or accept reason. If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked. Your reincident unexplained edits on Germany1) About the percentage of Protestants/Catholics in Germany: What was in the article: “Each denomination comprises about 31% of the population”. My contribution instead: “According to recent (end of 2007) estimates by the German Religious Media and News Service ("Religionswissenschaftlicher Medien- und Informationsdienst eingetragener Verein", or REMID http://www.remid.de/remid_info_zahlen.htm) and other sources, cf. «Religion in Germany»), there are 26.5 million Protestants (or 32.31 % of the total population) and 25.5 million Catholics (or 31.87 %) in Germany.” And you reverted without any comment. 2) About the Jewish population in Germany: What was in the article: “Germany has Western Europe's third-largest Jewish population (Ref: Blake, Mariah: http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/1110/p25s02-woeu.html «In Nazi cradle, Germany marks Jewish renaissance»).” My contribution instead: “Germany has Europe's third-largest Jewish population (after Russia and the United Kingdom)”, based on the fact that the source was obviously misquoted as it doesn's say “Western Europe” but just “Europe”, in order to include Russia. And you reverted without any comment again. This kind of edits of yours might be considered vandalism. If you don't agree with the article layout or content, please discuss it on the related talk page instead. It will be my pleasure to participate and to get to a consensus. Meanwhile, I have restored my contibutions as they are sourced and your editions aren't. --Zack Holly Venturi (talk) 16:05, 25 May 2009 (UTC) GermanyHallo! Mein Name ist Sylvia und ich arbeite fuer die Deutsche Zentrale fuer Tourismus in London. Ich habe einen kurzen Artikel verfasst ueber Tourism in Germany, da auf der Germany page bisher noch nichts darueber stand. Leider kann ich den Artikel nicht persoenlich auf die Seite bringen. Deshalb wollte ich dich fragen ob du das fuer mich erledigen koenntest. Ich denke wirklich, dass der Artikel eine Bereicherung fuer die gesamte Germany page waere. Der Artikel wuerde gut als Punkt 8.2 (Tourism) passen. Und hier der Text: With more than 133 million foreign visitors in 2008, Germany is ranked as 7th most famous travel destination worldwide with its capital Berlin on position 8 among the top 100 list for best city break destinations A total of 369.6 million overnight visits were registered in accommodation establishments with nine or more beds and on camping sites in Germany in 2008. This was a 2.1% increase on the corresponding period of the previous year. The number of overnight visits from abroad rose by 3.2% compared to the previous year, totalling 56.5 million visits. The number of overnights of domestic visitors increased by 1.9% to 313.0 million which shows that Germans love to travel within their own country. More than 30% spend their holidays in German destinations. The most visited federal state is Bavaria (76.91 million overnights in 2008) followed by Baden-Württemberg (43.62 million in 2008) and Lower-Saxony (41.52 million in 2008). The majority of foreign tourists come from the Netherlands (9.69 million overnights in 2008), the United States (4.45 million overnights in 2008) and from the UK (4.22 million overnights in 2008). Germany has a lot to offer, from vibrant cities to sandy beaches, high mountain ranges, picturesque river valleys and cosy villages. Along leisure tourism, cultural tourism with religious and historical travel has been increasing in Germany from year to year. Best examples are the huge offers for tours commemorating the 20th anniversary of the fall of the Berlin Wall in 2009 or visits to the Passion Plays in Oberammergau (Bavaria) in 2010. Green tourism is a big topic in Germany as well, best shown through the variety of biking and hiking trails around the whole country. The German National Tourist Board markets Germany to the rest of the world and is represented in 29 countries. The official UK website for tourism to Germany is www.germany-tourism.co.uk and the US-version is www.cometogermany.com Both websites offer a free online image database and a free brochure order service. Es waer wirklich toll, wenn das klappt! Danke! SylviaBaier (talk) 10:02, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
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Das Bild wurde im öffentlichen Raum ausgestellt und auf der Straße abfotografiert. Copyright Verweise gab es keine. Ich schlage vor, Du schlägst vor, mit welcher Bezeichnung Du leben kannst und änderst es gegebenfalls, ohne eine Löschung anzustreben. Dass das Bild einen äußerst großen Wert für Wikipedia darstellt versteht sich von selbst. Es ist seit Jahren zentraler Bestandteil einiger der meistgelesenen Artikel. Im Zweifelsfall könnte ein non-free use license angebracht werden, wie in diesem Beispiel [15] all the best Lear 21 (talk) 15:23, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
Es handelt sich um eine Daueraustellung mit Infotafeln zur Geschichte am ehemaligen Checkpoint Charlie, Friedrichstraße, Berlin. Meines Wissens existieren die Bildertafeln noch heute. Insgesamt also seit mehr als 5 Jahren. Sie stehen frei zugänglich auf dem Gehweg, gesponsert vom Land Berlin. Es sollte kein Problem sein die Beschreibung der Lizenz zu präzisieren. Jedoch sollte alles unternommen werden um dieses wichtige Dokument zu erhalten. all the best Lear 21 (talk) 16:20, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
Nix für Ungut;) Ich hab schon Speedy Deletions innerhalb weniger Stunden erlebt. Schön, dass es mit der verbesserten Lizenzbeschreibung geklappt hat. all the best Lear 21 (talk) 09:35, 31 May 2009 (UTC) Yes, this file again! Hi Lear 21--I just came across this picture on Commons, and something doesn't seem right about the copyright information. As far as I can tell you took a photo of a picture that was included in part of a public display. By doing this you are claiming that you can take a picture of that display and it falls under COM:FOP#Germany. However, I'm not sure that applies, because you made a direct copy of a creative work (the photo taken at the Berlin Wall). Since your picture is a direct copy of a creative work (and not a creative work itself), I don't see how you can claim copyright on it. What's your opinion? - Gump Stump (talk) 21:46, 4 June 2009 (UTC) Berlin vandalismLear, in spite of the talk page, I see the Fritz picture inserted again and again, now also by an IP editor. I will now delete it again, and a reinsertion I will report as vandalism. Just that you know. Kind regards --Ziko (talk) 13:38, 20 June 2009 (UTC) Germany-2Hi Lear21, I'm the user who added the "update" template to the "economy" section of Germany. You removed it with this edit, but the section is not any better than when I first added it. It still makes no mention of the financial crisis, its effects on the German economy and on the latest election or the possible outcomes, actually it doesn't even deal with anything that happened in 2009.--Ultimate Destiny (talk) 18:31, 4 October 2009 (UTC) European Union leadI can understand this reinstatement of an agreed version to the European Union article. However, in the lead, this reintroduced the redirect from economic union to Single market which I corrected earlier, before a number of other people came along and made edits. Regards -- Александр Дмитрий (Alexandr Dmitri) (talk) 13:07, 10 October 2009 (UTC) Great power Hi, Lear21. I support the G8 picture and I´m glad you stick to it too. By now the other side has exposed iself to be arbitrary and hypocritical. This is poison to a project like Wikipedia in my eyes. Have a nice weekend. KJohansson (talk) 11:24, 18 October 2009 (UTC) Please stop making unilateral edits to Great Power until they have been agreed with other editors. If you really feel strongly than I suggest you start edit dispute procedures. In any case, your version of 20:58 contradicted itself because you listed the EU as a great power in addition to several EU member states. You cannot have great powers within a great power. Viewfinder (talk) 21:00, 18 October 2009 (UTC) @Viewfinder: Please pass your complain to the IMF, this international organization sees no contradiction to include both the EU and the single countries at their statistics as well (List of countries by GDP (nominal)). I´m looking forward to edit dispute procedures. Lear 21 (talk) 21:31, 18 October 2009 (UTC) @KJohansson: From now on, I will be cold like ice at all these issues. I recommend that not provoking any circumstance the opposite can claim as uncivil. Right now it´s the only claim they have left. The opposite side has just no arguments to offer to prevent this article from getting updated. This is an encyclopedia. The facts and the reality will prevail, you will see. all the best Lear 21 (talk) 22:28, 19 October 2009 (UTC) I am glad to note your opposition to the incivility. But if you are so sure that you are right, why don't you stop your unilateral edits of Great Power, and read and apply WP:DR instead? Viewfinder (talk) 22:36, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
Johnansson, accusing your adversaries of "backward oriented ignorance" will not help you get your case across to them. Continuing to unilaterally push your version into the article will not advance your case either. Viewfinder (talk) 14:51, 20 October 2009 (UTC) Please also note that I have proposed, and Nirvana has more or less seconded, a compromise in the Consensus section of the talk page, but there has not been any response to this. Viewfinder (talk) 15:02, 20 October 2009 (UTC) Hey Lear, are you still advocating the G8 ? I´m just wondering. KJohansson (talk) 19:30, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
I´m glad you showed uo again. What do you think about the future, all possible aspects are met. All arguments are on our side. What can we do about the ultra fundamentalists. What can we do about the article which is constantly vandalized ? KJohansson (talk) 14:35, 25 November 2009 (UTC) In the case you havn´t realized it. The 2 accounts Viewfinder and Phoenix are unlikely to position themselves with a clear statement. Without the commanding Nirvana888 account the other 2 will only asking for more time and further discussions to avoid an individual stance. In the case Nirvana re-appears it is unlikely that this account approves any of the credible references as this account has already irreversible involved itself in a hateful personal manner (you know what I mean). This account would massively loose its face in front of the other 2 when accepting the G8. As I am strictly content focused, I will further insisting on a comprehensive, nonbiased and updated version. all the best Lear 21 (talk) 03:05, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
EU & BeneluxDear Lear 21, I'm sorry but the Belgium-Luxembourg Economic Union pegged two European currencies together with the BLEU in 1921 and the Benelux Economic Union started in 1960, compared to the EU's Euro starting in 1999. The Benelux Customs Union started in 1948, compared to the ECSC in 1960, which was far more limited in scope and of course half of it was Benelux. The Benelux Parliament started in 1955, compared to the European Parliament in 1979. Robert Schuman was a great politician that famously got not only his French people but the Germans and the Italians to catch up with what Benelux had several times started decades earlier. This makes him a legendary diplomat but just as Newton[ stood on the shoulders of giants like Galileo, he stood firmly on the shoulders of the inspired politicians of Benelux. Merely read the five references on London Customs Convention#References to appreciate just how crucial Benelux was to starting almost every aspect of the European Union. Please do not be offended when I revert you slightly.:)-Thecurran (talk) 16:18, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
The information I'm citing here are easily verifiable dates and I listed five references you may read. My point is that the EU's origins precede the ECSC. :)--Thecurran (talk) 04:59, 20 October 2009 (UTC) A Sincere RequestI am asking for the moment that you hold off on editing the Great power article, but it is not for the reason that you might think. Right now another editor User:KJohansson is currently editing and agreeing with you. Usually that is a fantastic thing. But in this case he is hurting your case. So far you have actually tried to discuss this issue and tried to bring proof. But that has been overshadowed by Johansson's edits and comments about other editors including myself. Because I believe that you are trying to do the right thing, I am asking that you refrain from taking actions like Johansson has. If you want to discuss this case outside of the Great power talk page I will be happy to discuss this with you. But as it stands right now that is not going to happen. I hope that you understand why I am making such a request and I hope that you are the honest editor that I think you are. -- Phoenix (talk) 01:38, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
Article on Lisbon Treaty signingI started the article called Signing of the Treaty of Lisbon. It's now a candidate for deletion. Do you think you could say your opinion in the deletion discussion or add something to the article? Thanks very much in advance - SSJ ☎ 17:25, 28 October 2009 (UTC) User:Nirvana888 suspected sock puppet foundUser:Zhonghuo is almost certainly another sock puppet of User:Nirvana888 if you check the edit histories. I thought I would let you know to help you keep track of this troublesome user. Wegos (talk) 19:24, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
As Nirvana888 has been blocked before, because of socketpuppetry I´m sure this account is able to do it again, to maintain an arbitrary disruptive behaviour. The edits coming from the Nirvana888 account, I have zero respect for. Those edits are responsible for the suspicous reputation of Wikipedia. I can´t even imagine how editors like Nirvana888 can look straight in the mirror. Lear 21 (talk) 03:20, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
A little noticeShould High Representive Catherine Ashton's "Baroness Ashton of Upholland" title be included in the article title? I thought it might interest you. -> Talk:Catherine Ashton#Requested move Thanks. - SSJ ☎ 14:51, 21 November 2009 (UTC) Blocked for sock puppetry You may contest this block by adding the text {{unblock|Your reason here}} below, but please read our guide to appealing blocks first.As confirmed by CheckUser. MuZemike 03:11, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
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