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Analogy

Hi, thanks for doing that list of past moves, did you come across how the current title was arrived at? Looking at the list, between 28 August 2007 and before 3 May 2009? Selfstudier (talk) 17:23, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, nvm, I found it was done without RM in June 2008 :) Selfstudier (talk) 18:07, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Selfstudier: Yeah, that one was done by CJCurrie without an RM. That being said, it's possible I missed other RMs (especially if they were done on centralized pages such as the discussion on 26 June 2006), so do feel free to add others if you come across them. Graham (talk) 02:18, 24 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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@User:Graham this made me chuckle lol Stephanie921 (talk) 02:52, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks!

Thank you for copy editing the draft of the RfC on the deployment of Vector (2022). Given that you've read the text carefully, do you maybe have any opinion about anything we've shared there? For example, any thoughts on the questions in the ombox? SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 15:15, 5 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RFO

While I you might not feel that this work is important, this information was well researched and offers more information about what RFO was doing in his time as a MP. Most MP pages don't have a lot of information about the work they do. I do not see the harm in including this information unless the goal is to limit peoples access to information. There is also not a lot of space where well researched information like this can be made available. I am asking if you could restore the information. Robert-Falcon Ouellette

thank-you SongShuMa (talk) 21:29, 4 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Your editing on Canada could be disruptive. What's your logic behind not capitalizing a proper noun? Estar8806 (talk) 03:46, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Estar8806. In the context in which it is being used, the term is not a proper noun. Additionally, we must observe the guidance at MOS:OFFICE, which you can see has been applied (by editors other than myself) throughout the rest of the article. The lowercase style is necessary there for internal consistency. Graham (talk) 03:49, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

What is the context in which it is being used? MOS:OFFICE uses capitalization for circumstances where a title is denoted (ex. "Richard Nixon was President of the United States"), and no capitalization for circumstances where a description is being denoted (ex. "Richard Nixon was the president of the United States."). In the case of an infobox, it is clearly referring to the title by maintaining the location to place the incumbent officeholder's name. And further, it is my understanding that the term is always capitalized in front of the officeholder's name anyway.

For your convenience, I am providing examples of other inboxes where you may see the correct capitalization:

• New Zealand
• Australia
• United Kingdom
• The Bahamas
• Papua New Guinea
• Solomon Islands
• St Vincent and the Grenadines
• Grenada
• St Lucia
• Antigua and Barbuda

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Article moves

Hi - I see you have moved a few articles relating to Canadian military people. There is extensive precedent for including the country in the disambiguation. We use "(British Army officer)" consistently to disambiguate all British Army officers e.g. Colin Mackenzie (British Army officer). We also use "(United States Army officer)" to disambiguate United States Army officers e.g. Richard Marshall (United States Army officer) and "(Canadian army officer)" seems to be in widespread use to disambiguate Canadian Army officers as well. Also, if you are moving articles, please remember to observe WP:MV#POST. I am minded to move them back to maintain consistency but would like to hear your thoughts first. Thanks, Dormskirk (talk) 23:57, 7 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Dormskirk! I moved those three articles to use the disambiguator "(general)" as I have found it to be in fairly common use and, more importantly, disambiguators are not normally longer than is necessary to identify the subject. As WP:NCPDAB provides in regards to disambiguators for biographies,

The disambiguator is usually a noun indicating what the person is noted for being in their own right. In most cases, these nouns are standard, commonly used tags such as "(musician)" and "(politician)". Avoid using abbreviations or anything capitalized ..., that is apart from instances where more specific guidelines specify particular exceptions. If possible, limit the tag to a single, recognizable and highly applicable term.

Sometimes disambiguators need to be more specific. For example, "Engelbert Humperdinck (musician)" could still refer to two different people, so Engelbert Humperdinck (composer) and Engelbert Humperdinck (singer) are used. Or, failing a practical single qualifier, the disambiguator can be expanded with a second qualifier: e.g. Roger Taylor (Queen drummer) and Roger Taylor (Duran Duran drummer).

Just as we wouldn't use "(Canadian politician)" to identify a subject's nationality if there were not another politician of the same name and we wouldn't use "(Duran Duran drummer)" to identify the organization a subject was with if there were not another drummer of the same name, the case of an army general seems no different. Further disambiguation isn't necessary because, as WP:PRECISION provides, "Usually, titles should unambiguously define the topical scope of the article, but should be no more precise than that."

Re WP:MV § POST, sorry that I forgot to update the navboxes! I'll do my best to try to remember in future. Graham (talk) 01:54, 8 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

OK. Thanks for the explanation and for agreeing to complete the post-move clean up. Best wishes, Dormskirk (talk) 09:33, 8 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Templates

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@MSGJ: Yes, that would actually be very helpful if I could! Graham (talk) 23:21, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I think you meet all of the criteria. The only thing which gives me pause is the edit warring incident mentioned above. I don't need to stress how undesirable it would be to have an edit war on a template, an it seems you are a stickler for style ... — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:13, 17 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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RE: the place names/links you changed here at Gerald M. Morin, is there a specific place in the MOS (or any other guideline, etc.) that indicates it should be done like that? I ask because I've seen numerous other articles that purposely omit "Canada" from the infobox (I think I saw someone remove it once and point to a MOS link... can't seem to recall where to look for that though), and that link the place name by including the province (e.g., Cumberland House, Saskatchewan), instead of separating the two (e.g. Cumberland House, Saskatchewan). Rowing007 (talk) 19:58, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

With respect to the inclusion of "Canada", it's standard practice to include the country as not all readers are familiar with all countries' internal subdivisions. Regarding linking, I'm not sure if the MOS addresses it directly. I tend to see [[Los Angeles|Los Angeles, California]] or [[Los Angeles]], California more on American articles (presumably because of the way US city articles are titled per WP:USPLACE) and [[Vancouver]], [[British Columbia]] or [[Vancouver]], British Columbia more on articles about other countries. Graham (talk) 20:09, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Right, but Los Angeles and Vancouver are both standalone page names. Cumberland House, Saskatchewan, to bring it back to the article in question, is not. I'm saying that the style I've seen which seems to be favoured is Cumberland House, Saskatchewan, rather than Cumberland House, Saskatchewan. Look at List of people from London, Ontario, for example. Two people I just picked at random on that list: Tom Benner and Justin Bieber; both articles use London, Ontario, not London, Ontario. Rowing007 (talk) 20:25, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure that whether the city/town/place article title includes the province name is pertinent as, per MOS:CANADA, the province is only included in the article title for the purpose of disambiguation. The question of whether the province is linked separately in this article doesn't seem connected to whether or not there is a place somewhere else in the world called Cumberland House. Graham (talk) 20:32, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Moved to Talk:United States § U.S. vs. US

Hi Graham11, I've undone your edit to United States, as it does not follow consensus or the MOS. The MOS is clear: "retain U.S. in American or Canadian English articles in which it is already established, unless there is a good reason to change it". There was no good reason to change it here. There was only a single instance of "UK" being used; I've fixed that by changing it to "United Kingdom". Please don't make changes like that again without getting consensus. Thank you! -- Rockstone^Send me a message! 22:34, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Sorry! Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 04:44, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No worries! Thanks for letting me know! Graham (talk) 04:44, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi, I was wondering why my edit was reversed although in the cited article it states that she left the party? Gojetsgo55 (talk) 07:25, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Gojetsgo55: I am so sorry – I'm sure I checked the article you cited more than once, but somehow I missed that line each time. I'll be sure to revert myself, and please accept my apologies. Graham (talk) 00:56, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Graham and it’s all good!

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Hi, sorry, but I've removed the {{cn}} tag you attached to the heading "Central Manitoba" at List of regions of Manitoba because it isn't apparent what's meant to be verified, as no assertion was being made. Largoplazo (talk) 12:07, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I have noticed that you have recently changed the short description of several articles about national currencies, from "Currency of X" to just "currency". How is this an improvement? The former short descriptions were fine, they pointed the two most distinctive things about the topic of the articles, and did so well within the size limits. It is needed to know that those articles are about a form of currency, but that's not enough, as there are almost as many currencies as there are countries.

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British to English

Would you stop changing the nationalities of biographical subjects from British to English without any discussion on the articles’ talk pages, without citation, and usually without explanation, please? To change from a subject’s citizenship - which isn’t disputed - to English(/Scottish/Welsh etc) is a significant change that requires evidence and consensus, and should not be done arbitrarily on a whim. MapReader (talk) 08:43, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there! I can assure you that I have not changed the term used for any subject's nationality (which doesn't always equate to citizenship) on a whim but rather only where there are sources backing it up. Graham (talk) 18:34, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You need to provide such sources, in the article and with your edits, and establish that they are the most common way that the subjects are referred to in reliable sources. That you have so frequently changed British subjects to English ones, without citing any evidence, suggests that you have an objective to do so, regardless of the evidence. That isn't the NPOV that is expected from WP editors. MapReader (talk) 11:28, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

New Democratic Party of Quebec

Could you please solve the 50 templates that have links to disambiguation pages after your efforts? That would be highly appreciated. The Banner talk 12:55, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]