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What's the usefulness of this field? I find myself removing it from every cycling event I edit. Does it conceivably serve a purpose? If not...why is it in the template? Nosleepbreak my slumber05:15, 11 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Since teams' nations are meaningless, should this field be removed? Or would it be best to wait to do that until it's been removed from each instance of this in the article space (in case that would create an error display of some sort, I don't know). Nosleepbreak my slumber19:30, 30 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It looks better aesthetically in the Olympic infobox, so I'm behind you... ;o) It also prevents some wrapping as per problem below... lil2mas (talk) 11:46, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Infobox width
I tried, today, to implement a fixed minimum width in this infobox, with no luck... The problem was that it also made it a fixed maximum, so the infoboxes experienced wrapping... But to have a infobox like this looks awful! Is there anyone with the competence to make this happen?
Done I used min-width instead of width and the above link now looks fine. This template was made slightly before the {{Infobox}}-template became a meta template - if anyone wants to take the time to change it they are more than welcome to! SeveroTC16:26, 21 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, Severo! =) Looks good now... I don't know these templates that well, so I don't think I should be the one changing it. But I would be grateful to the one who do, since it will make later changes easier, in comparison. =) lil2mas (talk) 17:37, 21 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Suggest remove average speed
There are several reasons why the average speed is not reliable in many races, especially stage races.
Bonification time bonuses, mean that time is under-recorded for anyone who has been in the top three on any stage.
Allocation of same time in bunch finishes means the time of those not at the very front of the group is under-recorded.
Rounding each stage to the nearest km means that tour length could be up to 10 km out.
Claims of av speed to the nearest thousandths of a km/h (as on 2011 Vuelta a España, and using that data for this example) suggest that we know the distance to an accuracy of 22 metres, or the time to less than 4 seconds. Clearly this is indefensible: ten times that error margin is unrealistic, and even to one tenth of a km/h (400 seconds, or 2.2km) is open to challenge.
If the only reliable ave speed is to the nearest km/h, it is not very useful comparative info. Suggest remove the field from the template. Kevin McE (talk) 22:59, 10 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Googlebot thinks the 1999 Tour de France winner is "Lance Armstrong none". Other visually impaired users may also be unable to perceive the strikethrough. (See MOS:NOSTRIKE.) I propose putting disqualifications in separate lines, adding parameters as needed. Not sure how to order it, though.
This order retains finish order, but would be confusing if readers expect official rank order.
First DQ
Lance Armstrong (USA)
(U.S. Postal Service)
Winner
none[a]
Second
Alex Zülle (SUI)
(Banesto)
Third
Fernando Escartín (ESP)
(Kelme–Costa Blanca)
Clearer to retain official rank order by shifting disqualifications to the bottom? With or without a horizontal line separator? With or without finish position in strikethrough?
The Google issue certainly needs sorting either way, so I'm up for any workable solution. Have you checked to what other IBs use in a similar circumstance? BaldBoris12:19, 31 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Riders are registered in their own country, and their competitions have a nationality option in this template.
Example: 2022 Tour de France Femmes
points_nat = NED
points_color = green
mountains_nat = NED
mountains_color = polkadot
youth_nat = NED
youth_color = white
Teams are registered in countries too. See for instance Canyon//SRAM RACING on UCI. Can you please add the team nation tag?
In team time trials, the English version does show the flags in the text. Why add it there, if it's not relevant? Other languages use them also in infoboxes:
If I'm correct, then you could add it in, and we get the option to show it. One does not have the obligation to display it; you might leave the tag out of the page´s infobox. There's no harm done, no info lost, but we get to wave our flags if we're proud of one of our teams.
On the discussion on this page... One American said "not relevant", and an English editor didn't even reply, but simply removed the tags. It displays their non cycling culture. Let's not copy the Great-Britain's Cycling Network attitude and make ours Global. (Now that might be a bit controversial ;-D )
It looks like this is going to take a consensus to reinstate due to the long-term implied consensus, and I'm sure cyclists have had plenty of opportunity since 2009 to reinstate, or at least to discuss it. Let me show my own non-cycling lack of culture and ask "why Germany?" In the ibox of 2022 Tour de France Femmes, the parameter shows |team_nat=GER. Why not a different nation's flag? Why Germany? P.I. Ellsworth , ed.put'r there19:43, 4 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The most simple answer is that the team is registered in Germany, through their national Cycling organisation (Bund Deutscher Radfahrer e.V.).
The country often points out the origin of the organisation, sometimes the origin of the main sponsor. Most of the time, a considerate amount of riders come from the registered country. And then there's often a tradition of how a team operates, reflected in the flag. Different country, different emphasis, different team culture.
To me the flag points at a long history. They started as Team Stuttgart with directeur sportif Hennie Kuiper in 1989. This became Team Deutsche Telekom > T-mobile > ... > Canyon-SRAM. Nowadays headsponsor Canyon is a German cycle brand. I dare say that their involvement is not incidental.
I'm trying to update the infobox for 2023 Tour of Britain to insert the Tour of Britain.svg into the first color field. But when I do, the code breaks, and I can't quite figure out how to fix it. When I insert the template code for the icon ('Tour of Britain') the infobox template seems to be auto-inserting the prefix of "jersey " which subsequently breaks the link. I tried inserting the whole cjersey template code, but that doesn't work either. Obviously a newcomer to using these kinds of templates, so if someone would be so kind as as to guide me in the right direction, I'd appreciate it!
Update: I found a work around, but I'm not sure if it's the appropriate one. In the edit preview, I click on the link generated by the broken code, which takes me to an upload page, where I've uploaded the image file. This works just fine, but it means uploading a duplicate, instead of using the existing file in the commons. I made the file, so there's no license issue, but it doesn't seem like the best resource allocation for wikimedia.
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