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A generic article with specific data

I think that the deposited recent edit of results should be at a separate article -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Western_Australia any thoughts on that? JarrahTree 10:08, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

If required, it could possibly be titled List of referendum results in Western Australia. Two things to note however, the table is directly copied out of Referendums in Australia (just trimmed back to state level) without attribution and it does not list the state-specific referendums like our frequent daylight saving ones. Calistemon (talk) 12:38, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
I provided attribution and warned the user responsible using Template:Uw-copying. Graham87 (talk) 13:07, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Definition of "modern" vs "historical" Noongar people

Comments are invited at Talk:Noongar#Modern_vs_Historical on guidelines for Modern vs Historical. Are Graham Farmer (1935-2019) or Jack Davis (playwright) (1917-2000) "historical"? Mitch Ames (talk) 23:27, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

There is a tendency by people to consider someone who passed before they were born to label people as historical. IMHO there should be no distinction and the article should only identify a limited number of people who have a legacy impact Like Polly, Jack, Yagan, Kim Scott the other people(played 3 games for Freo) can go in a list where era's interests, and other such collations can be assigned at least until WikiData becomes a more acceptable way to create lists. 09:51, 30 November 2023 (UTC) Gnangarra 09:51, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
It can be much more complex than that, as some groups have very specific rules regarding whether people are mentioned or images shown of deceased persons. It is not universal, and interestingly broadcasters such as the ABC have 'blanket' disclaimers regarding people who have died. As to the context of 'historical', 'notable' or 'legacy impact', the specific discussion regarding the subject are well beyond a wikipedia talk page. It is something that has implications for the whole Australian project as to how to identify people of any ethnic identification, not any one group. JarrahTree 01:52, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Revitalising the meetup and contact process

Due to COVID restrictions and other reasons, Perth Western Australia meetups have recently been far apart.

After the meetup this Sunday 3rd December, a more regular contact point for editors who are both interested in real life contact, and anonymous editors who choose to remain as such, is being proposed. so that issue to do with work in content to do with Perth and Western Australia can be discussed in real time. More news about this soon. JarrahTree 01:45, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Good idea, it'll hopeful bring some variety to locations again. Gnangarra 05:54, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Metronet

Photos of the Armadale line pre shut down of all level crossing are at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:2023_Armadale_Line_shutdown and some of the works already under way are going up as well. Lots of Wikidata points to be created and should we be doing articles about Metronet and the some of the specific works to bring them all together. Gnangarra 05:56, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Oh we have Metronet (Western Australia) Gnangarra 05:58, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
Yeah but there are also aspects of the larger project that may well require more content at some point in the future... JarrahTree 09:43, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
Thanks for the photos Gnangarra, in particular the level crossings, which I didn't get enough photos of myself. In case you don't know, there is a Wikipedia article for the Victoria Park-Canning Level Crossing Removal Project, which I have added one of your photos to.
The Metronet (Western Australia) article really does need some work. I aim to get to that soon. Steelkamp (talk) 05:58, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
thanks for the offer. I am also prepared to share with anyone who asks, material that clarifies the historical info re that line that is not otherwise easy to access. It doesnt matter if you are anonymous or real life available, it would be simply not on the net material that could be of use if utilised. JarrahTree 06:15, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

Karrakatta walk trails

I am going through the two Karrakatta cemetery wak trails and the people they highlight as points of interest. I created a stub on Richard Greaves (prospector) he found gold in Southern Cross that started WA's first gold rush. The Karrakatta list has Grace Vernon Drake-Brockman we have her as Grace Bussell, theres a John Hogan inspecter of police not sure he has enough to be notable though 25 years of court records and reporting does make a lot to sift through. Other people Benjamin Edward Strange a cartoonist has potential, Robert Creighton a wheelwright was the first person buried at Karrakatta is probably only worth mention in that article.

Perhaps we can meet at the cafe one day for a walk.Gnangarra 09:06, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

The second walk has a lot more Wikipedia unknows and the first including Percy Button Gnangarra 09:15, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Inclusion of Noongar words in article

Editors are requested to comment at Talk:Whadjuk § Inclusion of Noongar names? on the inclusion of Noongar words for plants and animals in the description of the Noongar seasons. Mitch Ames (talk) 05:23, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

See RFC instead. Mitch Ames (talk) 04:10, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

oh somnolent talk page and equally silent watchers

Gingerah

A curiosity, or considered interesting one -https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Gingerah,_Western_Australia unresolved to date... JarrahTree 14:51, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

The Gingerah population in the infobox is misleading because the Census didn't report a number. Hack (talk) 08:58, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
2025

Another - it is a misnomer that 2 editors in an AFD is a general discussion -

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2025_Western_Australian_local_elections_(2nd_nomination) more eyes, more

conversation always worth the effort... JarrahTree 08:09, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

CfD: Newspapers published in Western Australia by region

I'm posting this here because it may be of interest to members of this WikiProject.

I've suggested the renaming of some Western Australia newspaper categories, specifically:

You can find the discussion at: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 13#Newspapers published in Western Australia by region. Adam Black talk • contributions 21:19, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

Newspapers of Western Australia

I am working on improving Wikipedia's coverage of the newspapers of Western Australia. I know this is something that's been attempted in the past and I'm sure I will never be able to complete this project as there's a vast amount of publications to consider, but I'm going to do what I can.

I'd appreciate the community's feedback on some of what I've done so far.

This will be a long-term project of mine, and I'd welcome the help of any other interested editors. If you have any feedback on what I've done so far, or any help or tips that would be useful going forward, I'd love to hear it. Thanks in advance!

Note: I am from Scotland, but have had a lifelong interest in Australia and its history. Because of my location I may not be able to access some Australian resources, and it might take me a while to reply due to the difference in time zones. Adam Black talk • contributions 17:00, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:2023 Perth City Council election#Requested move 9 May 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:2023 Perth City Council election#Requested move 9 May 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 04:06, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

WA TransRegional bus system articles

I've started a discussion at WikiProject Australian Transport about the various articles or lack thereof on the TransRegional bus networks in WA. Fork99 (talk) 01:59, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

As it is specifically to do with Western Australian articles, I consider the main problem is lack of content in the articles has been the low level of adequate information to clarify the services and their history. Transregional bus services in WA are markedly under-edited, despite the information about them existing. JarrahTree 02:13, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Emu War listed at Requested moves

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Requested move at Talk:Joondalup line#Requested move 14 July 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Joondalup line#Requested move 14 July 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 • [𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺] 22:38, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

Unreferenced category: Noongar place names

These articles (and possibly others) are in Category:Noongar place names, but there is no verifiable statement in the article to support that categorization. Per WP:CATV, "It should be clear from verifiable information in the article why it was placed in each of its categories".

In some cases the statement:

The suffix -up is commonly found in place names in south-western Western Australia and is of Noongar origin, meaning "place of".[1]

has been added to the article. While this statement is true and verifiable, it is not sufficient, because:

  • Neither that sentence nor its reference say that all place names ending in "up" are Noongar in origin.
  • Use of that reference to cover any place not specifically included in the reference is WP:SYN.

Can we find references for each of the articles that explicitly say that the name is Noongar? Mitch Ames (talk) 11:59, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

That is actually sufficient because its consistent right across Noongar country(SW Australia), there is no synth when the suffix of up is used on a placename. Gnangarra 14:02, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
Could you please cite and quote the reliable source that says that all place names in SW Australia that end in "up" are Noongar. That's "all placenames", because "some Noongar names end in 'up'" does not imply that "all names that end in 'up' are Noongar".
In any case, please read WP:SYN again: "Do not combine material from multiple sources to state or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by any of the sources. ... If one reliable source says A [all names ending in "up" are of Noongar origin] and another reliable source says B [there exists a place called Foo-up], do not join A and B together to imply a conclusion C [the name Foo-up is of Noongar origin] not mentioned by either of the sources." Mitch Ames (talk) 14:49, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
Yeah I actually know of one exception: Metricup. Thanks to someone with inside Landgate access. Graham87 (talk) 01:11, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
none of the three sources linked actually say that, I can see some possible bastardisations from the Whitehurst list that might fit. Unfortunately my book of all known lists complied in the 1990 was stolen and the WA Museum doest print it any more. I'd suggest also looking at Armstrong, Bussell, and Bates for that area. Gnangarra 10:19, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ "Noongar Town Names and their Meanings". Aboriginal Perspectives Across the Curriculum. Department of Education and Training (Western Australia). Archived from the original on 4 September 2007. Retrieved 17 July 2024.

Updated meetups for Perth based editors

This is a set of meetups in Perth and Fremantle in the next three months - all welcome! Specially any not completely anonymous editors who might be interested. Well worth catching up.

Please see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/Perth. - 82 and 83 are pending varied days and locations... JarrahTree 02:43, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Muirs Highway

Some input on Talk:Muirs Highway#Requested move 5 October 2024 in regard to whether the correct name is Muirs Highway or Muir Highway would be appreciated. I'm not quite sure myself! Calistemon (talk) 09:39, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

Wheatbelt "railway" or "railway line'"

We currently have:

Note the inconsistent use of the word "line". WP:CONSISTENT and WP:TITLECON suggest that we should be consistent. Are they "railways" or "railway lines"? Mitch Ames (talk) 01:10, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

@Mitch Ames 'Railway lines' is better imo. They're not so much about the rails but the route. This follows how List of bus routes in Perth and Buses in Perth are named. FropFrop (talk) 23:59, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
I'm not seeing that distinction when I look at the articles, nor in the dictionary ([1], [2]). To me, the word "line" is generally redundant, and does not signify a route more than the rail track itself. Dicklyon (talk) 02:39, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
line - is the physical rails and alignment of the track, railway is the route (?) - however I did not reply to the initial enquiry of this topic due to the fact that I had created most of the items in question, and did not have an adequate explanation for the variant usages. Since creating the items, I have been in real life involved with a rail heritage (sic) archive, and plan to check the materials from the actual legislative source of the specific railway system that it is related to - I dont think that google or collins or us usage are necessarily of any specific help,(we do not have railroads here for instance, except in the state library subject catalogue that utilizes AACR and has in its system non local usage terminology) we are dealing with the western australian railway system, founded in the british system, with its own idiosyncracies - and if the cleanup continues through other states of australia there may well be anomolies rather than consistencies in terminology.JarrahTree 03:18, 21 October 2024 (UTC)