Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Systems/Archive 1

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About this initiative

Greetings, the first initiative about this project started here User talk:Jpbowen#The System-s under attack - Mdd 00:34, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Great, many thanks for starting this. I have added myself to the list and will support this as much as I can. I guess a message in the talk page for all those that supported the Systems category would be worthwhile. Can we put the systems category backup under this project? I made my own copy (User:Jpbowen/Back up - Category Systems) of your backup copy (User:Mdd/Back up - Category Systems). I will continue working bottom up on systems categories and hopefully we can meet in the middle. If we get enough support, a portal would be worthwhile too. I might have a go at this if so! Very best wishes, Jonathan Bowen 02:12, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Systems editorial - week 18, 2007

This initiative started 20 april 2007, see also: Archive 1

This WikiProject is going into his second week. Most of the work done here in the first week, is archived to make room for new discussion and new action. New points brought in are:

1. Clarification of the new category:systems
2. Further discussions about the article Physical system
3. A possible System (disambiguation) article
4. The design of Templates

Some other efforts are being made, which are open for feedback and suggestions. In short:

• The announcements: Editorial rewriting are made to give this news a content, more populair and open for outsiders.
• The assessment: All project categories necesary for automated assessment are created right now. The first moves are made to tag articles with the WikiProject Systems-template. This needs some more work.
• The to-do list: A procedure should be developed to work together on ths to-do list. Untill then this adminstration remains with Mdd.

There lot's to be done to get this show on the run? With a talk starting about the physical system first contact is made with an other WikiProject. Contact with other WikiProjects with whom we share common interests could be consider. But all in good time. A priority this week is to get our own organization going.

Last updated by - Mdd 19:24, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Active editing

This talk has an active editing. All talk-items are open for debate, but closed and inactive items will be stored as sone as possible in the archive. Recent items stored at the beginning of this second week are:

• First idea's about Working together in this Wikiproject Systems, see Archive 1
• First idea's about the design of a Portal:Systems, see Archive 1
• Previous talks about Systems categories, see Archive 2
• A first discussion about The technical meaning of "system": a Suggestion, see Archive 3.

If you want to continue talking about this items, please make a new talk item here and continue. We come back to you as sone as possible. - Mdd 10:23, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Systems editorial - week 19, 2007

This initiative started 20 april 2007, see also: Archive 1

This week we welcome three new editors Kenneth Burke, Allan McInnes and Childhood's End. Discussions have started to get to know each other and try to explore and initiate some forms of cooperation. Preparations have begon to work on the systems engineering article and it's surroundings.

Last update: Mdd 14:11, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Working together in the Wikiproject Systems

Editors, Informants, Participants, Supporters and Users

There are many ways people can contribute to this WikiProject Systems:

• Contactpersons in different fields of study, fields of applications and or countries.
• Cooperating other Wikipedia WikiProjects
• Editors: People frequently contribute to systems articles can use the project pages to store, retrieve and discussed editorial information
• Informants: People in the field willing to share some information on an individual basis.
• Participants: People who want to be informed, to talk, to decide and to work in the organization of this project.
• Supporters: People and organizations who share similair interests.
• Users: All mentioned and last but not least: the editors to come, who seek information and inspiration to contribute in this field.

Getting this show on the road means building relations here. So where do we start? - Mdd 22:51, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

The design of a Portal:Systems

The idea of the creation of a Portal:Systems has been brought up here. With the recent attacks on the Category:Systems and Category:Complex systems we should make good preparations before we go life here, or we will be deleted before we get this even started. - Mdd 13:50, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

For better survival we could name it Portal:Systems science. And there are other alternatives like Portal:System or Portal:Systemics. - Mdd 15:18, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Softly, softly, I guess. We need to get a few people to sign up here. Have you contacted or can you contact systems category supporters, or would you like me to do this? — Jonathan Bowen 17:06, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

It's not my intention to start the Portal right now. First I want to organize this project some more... Gather some more information... Build some relations... and then I will discussed further options. Starting up this WikiProject was for me the way to get acquainted with this matter. - Mdd 22:51, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia active editing

The term Active editing is created to indicate an initiate a new form of maintaining talk-pages at the Wikipedia. Hereby all talk-items are open for debate, but temporary inactive and closed items will be stored as sone as possible in the archive. If people want to continue talking about this items, they have to make a new talk item at the talk page to continue.

More details about archiving are to be found at:

• Wikipedia:How to archive a talk page: this tells mainly about two way's of archiving, with move or with copy-past.

Active editing for the moment is an experiment in new forms of cooperation. It's created because in lot's of talk pages, things remains unarchived for years. There is still little know-how and explicit ideas on how to act in these circumstances. By creating and using this term, we like to initiate discussion and improvements at this point. - Mdd 10:53, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Active editing on your own User talk page

One form of active editing is being used for quiet some time in User talk pages of more experienced wikipedians. They someting also have a warning about this on there talk pages. They often mention:

1. that discussion about items concerning article, should be made an the articles talk page as much as possible
2. that discussion started on other talk pages should procedeed over there
3. that new discussions started on that own talk page, will be answered on that talk page only.

Active editing in other talk pages

Editoral editing in other talk pages is still a relatively unkonwn. One should only do this for a very good reason, and act with care.

Comments

If people want to respond please do so over here - Mdd 11:22, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

The relation between chaos theory, systems and systems theory

This talk originaly started on the Talk:Chaos theory page

The importance rate of this article ((chaos theory)) for the WikiProject Systems has been uprated from high to top allready two weeks ago on 10 June 2007. I could have referted it because importance rates are set by the WikiProjects themselves and these rates have a particular objective meaning: The importance rate is not about the objective importance of the article, but of the relative difference from the article to the hart of the WikiProject. Now formaly the hart of the WikiProject Systems is in a way the category:systems. The items in this category get a top-importance, the items in the first subcategories are of high-importance.

Instead of referting this I kept wondering about the relation between chaos theory and systems and systems theory. Is or isn't chaos theory in the first place about chaos and not about systems. And aren't systems in the first place about organization and not about chaos? I know a bit more about systems theory, a little about chaos theory but even less about the role of systems and systems theory in chaos theory. Can somebody explain this to me? - Mdd 19:41, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

I can't really answer the question, and would encourage others to do so, because it is an interesting and important question, but I should make some comments about changing the ratings.

• First of all, I shouldn't have changed the systems theory importance rating, because this is the importance of the article for WikiProject Systems, and I don't know how that project assigns these ratings. Please change it back to "High" if you think it is appropriate: different projects can of course have different ratings for the same article.
• Second, some background. At the Mathematics WikiProject, we are finding that too many articles are getting Mid and High importance ratings compared to Top and Low. In particular, this makes it harder to prioritise which Stub and Start-Class articles at the top end most need expansion. So we have been trying to improve the situation, and have developed more detailed importance criteria to help us.
• Third, my changes here. I uprated the Mathematics importance from High to Top (by the above reasoning). Now, WikiProject physics is rather inactive right now, and I figured this article is at least as important in physics as maths, so uprated the physics importance too. Then I went a bit far by thinking "Well, if it is top for maths and physics, it probably is for systems too"!
• Fourth, a comment. From what you have said, I understand that WikiProject Systems assesses importance in an absolute sense, i.e., only the main items in Category:Systems can hope to be top priority and so on. We discussed this quite a lot at the mathematics project, and have come to the conclusion that:
  • it is more helpful to assess the importance of an article within context rather than in absolute terms
  • Wikipedia 1.0 actually recommends this approach.

Now I am very impressed that your response to my mistake was not to revert it, but to think about it and raise such interesting questions. Maybe you might want to take some of the maths project thoughts on importance ratings back to WikiProject Systems and initiate a debate. All the best, anyway. Geometry guy 20:19, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

More about assessment of articles

I moved the above discussion here, because it offers some interesting thoughts about the assessment of articles. First of all thanks Geometry guy for your explaination and some explaination of how the WikiProject Mathematics works. I can imagine that those problems are much bigger at Mathematics, not at the least because the WikiProject Mathematics holds about is ten times more article then our WikiProject. And I can image that this brings the needs a more detailled assement. I however also experienced some things you mentioned about little top and low priority articles. To be through... I've been very carefull with the top-priority articles. And I avoid assessing articles to a low priority, because I think that the name low priority is demotivating. I wish they think of a better name for it.

I also experienced, that rating articles is not as easy as it seems. You need a clear set of rules to make it make any sence. I made an announcements about it on 1 may 2007, see [1]. Here I explained the rating of importance a little different then above:

• The rating of importance is an other story. You can rate the articles from None, Low, Mid, High to Top. This rating is however made from a WikiProject Systems point of view. So this important rating is relative. It tells about the importance the article has in the field of Systems. In fact, this rating tells about the place the article or category has in the global structure in field of Systems, Systems theories and Systems scientists.

For the moment this works for me... This is however not a rule, but more a kind of guideline. With the WikiProject just starting, assessment remains interesting but is also one of the least of our problems. The reason I started this talk in the first place was the opportunity the small incindent gave to look at these things in an other perspective. - Mdd 22:59, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

A few further comments from me.

• You have made a good start! One of the best ways to assess articles is to compare them with other assessed articles, so starting up is the most difficult bit. It is quite good that one person has rated the first batch, because this means there should be some consistency: the "precedent" has been set.
• I can see that there are very few low importance articles at the moment. I would not worry too much about this to start with, because of selection bias (i.e., the most important articles get rated first).
• Assessing importance within the whole systems category is also fine to start with, but as the project grows, discrimination is lost between articles in more specialized subcategories.
• At mathematics, we've tried to make it easier to rate articles as "low" in a couple of ways: first we have switched from using "low importance" to "low priority"; second, we've modified slightly the WP 1.0 importance criteria, so that the description of "low" is a bit more encouraging, and the description of "mid" is a bit stronger.

Keep up the good work! Geometry guy 13:29, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

I am not sure that systems and systems theory can be said to have a role in chaos theory. I think it is rather the other way around; chaos theory has a role in systems and systems theory (from chaos emerges order and/or a system). In economics, notably, this is exposed through the concept of spontaneous order. See also Complex system#Complexity and chaos theory which has some info, although probably not perfect. --Childhood's End 13:56, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Childhood's End, I copied your contribution to the Talk:Chaos theory page, and give an respons over there. I want to keep this talk item here specific about the assessment of articles. - Mdd 14:40, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

@Geometry guy. It's interesting what you say about switching from using "low importance" to "low priority". But I don't understand it. If I use the low-rate in the WikiProject Systems-template, for example Talk:Manufacturing Execution System: the template show low-importance and not low-priority. Now I found an example of what you mean at Talk:Infinite monkey theorem. This looks kind of nicer. Do you know if there is an easy way to change our template as well? - Mdd 14:49, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

This discussion is tempory proceeding on the WikiProject Systems talk page

Relations to WikiProject Organizations

As this project is quite new, that might be the reason why this relationship hasn't been established. I'm just mentioning Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Guide/WikiProject as a resource for nascent WikiProjects (as well as established ones). It would appear to me that this project would be a natural parent to WikiProject Organizations which was established last October. This means both projects are still quite fresh, but some cooperation should be initiated, in my opinion. __meco 19:56, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Per the scope of WikiProject Organizations (The project generally considers articles about any incorporated, registered, or otherwise legitimate organization to be within its scope. The term "organization" is applicable to any active or historical association, society, union, foundation, or corporation as well as any related and notable conferences or events.), I cannot see how these two projects can be considered related. --Childhood's End 20:16, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi Meco, I thought about the parents relations of this project when I first started this project and wrote about it in the first draft of this project, see Wikipedia:WikiProject Systems/First draft. I then determined three (possible) parents: WikiProject History of Science, WikiProject Philosophy and WikiProject Science.... and further listed ten possible collaborations, see [2]. Uour WikiProject Organizations was one of them.

In that time I came to about the same conclusion as Childhood's End here, that the WikiProject Organization seems to be little about the theory of organization and it's fundamentals. This WikiProject Systems has a formal scope of its own to look at all systems in science and society. We hereby build on a solide theoretical developement in the past 50 years in systems theory.

With the developement of the WikiProject Systems in the current state (a WikiProject Based on the Turnkey Project) I didn't think about parents relations any more. They didn't seem to fit in the Turnkey profile. That's why there are no parents right now.

One thing however does interact on a theoretical level: organization and the idea of organization is an important theoretical concept in systems science. And the systems approach, systems thinking, systems analyses and systems methodology are important concepts in the organizations/management science theory. But this alone doesn't seems enough to become family!?

I'm possitive however about initiating some kind of cooperation. Like you said this WikiProject is quite new and we still have lots to learn: including cooperation with other WikiProjects. I hope this explains something. Greetings. - Mdd 22:33, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

I also responded on the Category talk:Conceptual systems talkpage. - Mdd 23:38, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

wow, you guys are brave!

i just stumbled upon this nest of wikis on systems, complexity, chaos theory, emergence, cybernetics etc... what a nest of vipers. i been trying myself to write about these topics (organize them) on and off for 2 decades and finally settled on NO organization, but simply a list of 60 or so lab exercises. one for each specific system or concept.

perhaps it is best organized by field? i.e. strictly mathematical results, like chaotic dynamical systems. cellular automata and networks. engineering topics. computer organization and software. biology. economics.

each field has its own way of exploring results and describing them.

let the readers make the connections.

i'll keep perusing, maybe i can be of some help. my background is in mathematics, computer science, and biology. Wikiskimmer 05:58, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi, after what you say here I wonder if you have had any experience with Wikipedia before? If you spend 2 decades trying to write about systems theory and ended up with a suitable set of 60 lab exercises, this probably fitted the purpose you wanted to fullfill... presumably inside a college or a lab. We are working here for some seven years and created our own ways of doing things.

Now Wikipedia is also not the place to propose new organization of the field. We try to give a representation of the state of the art in theory and practice... given our own neutral perspective and our own tradition. Given your background and interests you can contribute all you like, like the welcome message on your talkpage yesterday tells you. I've seen you started on different talkpages yesterday. Good luck with it. The only thing I also want to ask you is to communicate in simple plain English. - Mdd 19:10, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

hi, thank you for your comments

don't worry, i have no intention of coming into a 7 year old project and restructuring it. yes, i am new to wiki. it is a very fascinating project.

thank you for pointing out to me to use simple english. i realize now that english is not the first language of some editors here.

I will wait for a few weeks, just reading and commenting in discussion pages to see what the previous writers have done before i make any edits. the first thing i would need is a printer and print out the 10 or 30 or so wikis that are involved. all for no pay! alot of work!

i hope my comments on the relationship between chaotic dynamical system and systems in general were useful? Wikiskimmer 21:48, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Thank for switching to simple English. I come from Holland and I'm not very good at speaking and reading to complicated English. As you say, Wikipedia is a very fascinating project and different from any other source. As you already mentioned, lot's of text is divided into a lot of small articles. If you get to know Wikipedia you will see that there is a lot of dynamics around it. Articles get merged, articles get split, article get rewritten, articles get redirected ... I will take some time to get use to. A combination of reading, commenting and editing is a good way to get acquainted. All depends on what you want to accomplice yourselve. Good luck. - Mdd 22:02, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Conceptual Jungle

The Wikiproject Conceptual Jungle is in some respect related to this WikiProject. Conceptual Jungle is aiming at a scientific nomenclature, among others by creating an overview of sciences/scientific adjectives. Any help is much appreciated in this project, best regards --Brz7 12:43, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Systems theory and systems science has been called a terminological jungle from the beginning in the 1950s. I believe some Dutch guy refered to it as being a systems jungle I guess you could also see them as a conceptual jungle as well. You define this as the big diversity of names for concepts without coherence and comprehensiveness.

The thing we want to do about it is, to clearify these concepts one at the time and to put them in perspective. Now I read that the Conceptual Jungle project in short aims at a scientific nomenclature. It wants to make overviews, tables and qualifications. I very much doubt one can do this in a generalistic way. But I wish you all the best. - Mdd 21:14, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Hi mdd, thanks for your thoughtful reply! Clearification of concepts can be done in various ways and - as I implied above - I see the merits of systems theory/WikiProject Systems as a way to help achieve this goal. The current overviews and tables are a first important step (mapping the jungle) towards qualification of the (names of the) concepts, as what you call clearifying concepts one at the time and putting them in perspective. Concepts are all interrrelated, the challenge is to see how they are interrelated and how to properly name these concepts. Both projects (and more) contribute to this. Best regards, --Brz7 13:42, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Moving all images to commons

I started an attempt to move all (GFDL) images in the fields of the systems sciences to commons. -- Marcel Douwe Dekker (talk) 23:33, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Coordinators' working group

Hi! I'd like to draw your attention to the new WikiProject coordinators' working group, an effort to bring both official and unofficial WikiProject coordinators together so that the projects can more easily develop consensus and collaborate. This group has been created after discussion regarding possible changes to the A-Class review system, and that may be one of the first things discussed by interested coordinators.

All designated project coordinators are invited to join this working group. If your project hasn't formally designated any editors as coordinators, but you are someone who regularly deals with coordination tasks in the project, please feel free to join as well. — Delievered by §hepBot (Disable) on behalf of the WikiProject coordinators' working group at 06:41, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Articles flagged for cleanup

Currently, 523 articles are assigned to this project, of which 156, or 29.8%, are flagged for cleanup of some sort. (Data as of 14 July 2008.) Are you interested in finding out more? I am offering to generate cleanup to-do lists on a project or work group level. See User:B. Wolterding/Cleanup listings for details. More than 150 projects and work groups have already subscribed, and adding a subscription for yours is easy - just place a template on your project page.

If you want to respond to this canned message, please do so at my user talk page; I'm not watching this page. --B. Wolterding (talk) 18:18, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Where did get these numbers. There are 1612 articles assessed here, and there are 11 articles in need of attention, see [{:Category:Systems articles needing attention|here]}. That is less then 1%. -- Marcel Douwe Dekker (talk) 22:32, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

The first number (523) refers to the number of articles tagged with {{WikiProject Systems}} on their talk page. It seems that you are alternatively using other templates, such as {{Sys rating}}. That is a very unusual approach - WikiProjects typically use only one talk page template, which includes all rating parameters needed. Perhaps it would be best if the templates could be merged, or simply {{Sys rating}} redirected to {{WikiProject Systems}}?

The second number (156) refers to articles tagged with cleanup tags like {{unreferenced}} and inline markers like {{fact}}, within the article. On the other hand, Category:Systems articles needing attention is populated by setting "attention=yes" in the talk page template. So these numbers are entirely different. Normally, users do not care much about the talk page templates when adding a cleanup tag to the article, that's why only few articles can be found in Category:Systems articles needing attention. Actually, that's one of the purposes of the listing I advertised - giving you an overview of pages that have cleanup tags, without any extra manual tagging required. --B. Wolterding (talk) 19:47, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, for your response. Now I have a few things to say/ask:

• First, the {{Sys rating}} is the new template, which contains fields. Not all {{WikiProject Systems}} are altered yet. So suggesting to loose the first template is not a good idea.
• Second I still don't understand where did you get those numbers? Did you count them one by one? Or is there a special function?
• With "flagged for clean up" you also mean "fact required", "reference required" etc. then I am not surprized.
• Now I haven't read instruction completely, but I seem to understand that there is no Wikipedia:WikiProject Systems/Cleanup listing yet. I can requist for one. Is that correct?

-- Marcel Douwe Dekker (talk) 20:51, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Ok I got the picture myselve and added the "User:WolterBot/Cleanup listing subscription" in an extra frame in the project page. Could you tell me if this works also? (The reason I did this in the first place is because I noticed that in Wikipedia:WikiProject Computing project place that the template itselve doesn't fitt the lay out). I'll wait an see thank you.

If you think that the temporary situation of the two templates is a problem, please let me know? -- Marcel Douwe Dekker (talk) 21:18, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

The subscription templates needs to go onto the main page, not a subpage; I've moved it. However, the box that appears can be hidden (I've done that now) and you can link to the listing from anywhere you like. It's at Wikipedia:WikiProject Systems/Cleanup listing.

As for the templates, the listing at this time includes only articles tagged with {{WikiProject Systems}}. I only support one banner per project. However, if you want to include both, you can modify the banners so that they both put articles into a dedicated category, say Category:WikiProject Systems articles or a different one to be created. Articles would go directly into that category, not into subcats. I can then scan that category. In any case, changes would be effective with the next data update, approximately end of August.

That's also linked to the question where I get the data from. I don't retrieve it from the live wiki; rather I use a local copy of (parts of) the Wikipedia database, from a data dump, and run queries on that database. --B. Wolterding (talk) 09:24, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your initiative. But if you only support one banner per project, you should support the new{{Sys rating}}, not the older (to be deleted) {{WikiProject Systems}}. Now I noticed some strange thing about this. The clean up listing for example mentions the chaos theory article, but this was reassessed with the {{Sys rating}} around 14 May 2008..!?

I wonder if you could give me a listing of those 523 articles tagged with {{WikiProject Systems}}? -- Marcel Douwe Dekker (talk) 21:16, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

It is this page, right? --Jiuguang (talk) 21:51, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I count there that the {{WikiProject Systems}} is in 759 pages (articles and categories). Even so the {{Sys rating}} seems to be in 1201 pages. This means there still 759 pages to reassess. -- Marcel Douwe Dekker (talk) 22:32, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

In the subscription template, you can easily choose the banner you want to have evaluated; just add e.g. the parameter "banner=Sys rating". However the banner chosen there needs to be categorized in Category:WikiProject banners, otherwise the bot will report an error. --B. Wolterding (talk) 17:03, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Article alerts

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Wikipedia 0.7 articles have been selected for Systems

Wikipedia 0.7 is a collection of English Wikipedia articles due to be released on DVD, and available for free download, later this year. The Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team has made an automated selection of articles for Version 0.7.

We would like to ask you to review the articles selected from this project. These were chosen from the articles with this project's talk page tag, based on the rated importance and quality. If there are any specific articles that should be removed, please let us know at Wikipedia talk:Version 0.7. You can also nominate additional articles for release, following the procedure at Wikipedia:Release Version Nominations.

A list of selected articles with cleanup tags, sorted by project, is available. The list is automatically updated each hour when it is loaded. Please try to fix any urgent problems in the selected articles. A team of copyeditors has agreed to help with copyediting requests, although you should try to fix simple issues on your own if possible.

We would also appreciate your help in identifying the version of each article that you think we should use, to help avoid vandalism or POV issues. These versions can be recorded at this project's subpage of User:SelectionBot/0.7. We are planning to release the selection for the holiday season, so we ask you to select the revisions before October 20. At that time, we will use an automatic process to identify which version of each article to release, if no version has been manually selected. Thanks! For the Wikipedia 1.0 Editorial team, SelectionBot 22:38, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Comment

I noticed several articles are more or less outsite the scope of the Wikiproject systems:

• Cartography - Computer graphics - Graphic design - Map - Pictogram : part of Visualization project, which is just temporary in the WikiProject systems
• Geocentric model
• Leonhard Euler
• Gastrointestinal tract
• Semiotics
• Technology

And some articles seems to be missing

• Herbert Simon
• Systems psychology
• Systems theory
• Systems science

And maybe some other systems scientists. -- Marcel Douwe Dekker (talk) 20:49, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

GA Sweeps invitation

This message is being sent to WikiProjects with GAs under their scope. Since August 2007, WikiProject Good Articles has been participating in GA sweeps. The process helps to ensure that articles that have passed a nomination before that date meet the GA criteria. After nearly two years, the running total has just passed the 50% mark. In order to expediate the reviewing, several changes have been made to the process. A new worklist has been created, detailing which articles are left to review. Instead of reviewing by topic, editors can consider picking and choosing whichever articles they are interested in.

We are always looking for new members to assist with reviewing the remaining articles, and since this project has GAs under its scope, it would be beneficial if any of its members could review a few articles (perhaps your project's articles). Your project's members are likely to be more knowledgeable about your topic GAs then an outside reviewer. As a result, reviewing your project's articles would improve the quality of the review in ensuring that the article meets your project's concerns on sourcing, content, and guidelines. However, members can also review any other article in the worklist to ensure it meets the GA criteria.

If any members are interested, please visit the GA sweeps page for further details and instructions in initiating a review. If you'd like to join the process, please add your name to the running total page. In addition, for every member that reviews 100 articles from the worklist or has a significant impact on the process, s/he will get an award when they reach that threshold. With ~1,300 articles left to review, we would appreciate any editors that could contribute in helping to uphold the quality of GAs. If you have any questions about the process, reviewing, or need help with a particular article, please contact me or OhanaUnited and we'll be happy to help. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 06:43, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

I don't see any project page for requested articles

I'm no expert (or event a dilettante) in the field, and can't write an article or stub, but finding no mention of Leontief Substitution Systems on Wikipedia I came looking for a place (a to-do list) to note its absence.

I occasionally add such notes to Requested articles: Mathematics for example and was surprised not to find something similar for operations research.

How about at least a project place-holder requested articles page linked from Wikipedia:Requested articles? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.36.140.58 (talk) 22:00, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

User list shows now contributions -> easier to identify for newcomers who is (still) active

This change was made to find active users faster. ----Erkan Yilmaz 23:36, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Unreferenced living people articles bot

User:DASHBot/Wikiprojects provides a list, updated daily, of unreferenced living people articles (BLPs) related to your project. There has been a lot of discussion recently about deleting these unreferenced articles, so it is important that these articles are referenced.

The unreferenced articles related to your project can be found at >>>Wikipedia:WikiProject Systems/Archive 1/Unreferenced BLPs<<<

If you do not want this wikiproject to participate, please add your project name to this list.

Thank you.

Update: Wikipedia:WikiProject Systems/Archive 1/Unreferenced BLPs has been created. This list, which is updated by User:DASHBot/Wikiprojects daily, will allow your wikiproject to quickly identify unreferenced living person articles.

There maybe no or few articles on this new Unreferenced BLPs page. To increase the overall number of articles in your project with another bot, you can sign up for User:Xenobot_Mk_V#Instructions.

If you have any questions or concerns, visit User talk:DASHBot/Wikiprojects. Okip 23:25, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

One of your project's articles has been featured

Hello, Please note that Human skeleton, which is within this project's scope, has been selected as one of Today's articles for improvement. The article was scheduled to appear on Wikipedia's Community portal in the "Today's articles for improvement" section for one week, beginning today. Everyone is encouraged to collaborate to improve the article. Thanks, and happy editing! Delivered by Theo's Little Bot at 01:00, 24 February 2014 (UTC) on behalf of the TAFI team

Particular field on project banner - Flow and

? This page has not yet been associated with a particular field - this seems to appear on every one of the project's banners. I'm looking at the article Stock and flow which I guess would fall into the field of Economics. I can not find any advice on how to set the particular field? Thanks in advance Jonpatterns (talk) 20:10, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

I found some details on the template page. This attribute could be refactored, I've started a discussion at Template_talk:WikiProject_Systems#The_Field_part_of_the_template Jonpatterns (talk) 09:35, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

New systems image

Hello! I don't know how active this page is, but I thought it best to ask here.

The file (File:Complex-adaptive-system.jpg) that you're using for most of your stubs and templates has been marked as "should be SVG" for some time, and ended up at the Graphics Lab. I've created a vectorised version (which is rather simpler than the original, too), so I'm just checking that it's not going to be a massively controversial edit to switch them around. The use on the main "portal" template is protected, and I don't really know how the process to get edits made there works. I've switched the other templates, though, so let me know if you want me to change it or if you don't like the way it looks. Cheers! NikNaks _{talk - gallery} 13:40, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

Hi Naks, thanks for your initiative. Is it possible to further adjust the icon of the "complex adaptive behavior" more similar to the original and add some shadows to it. The one thing I appreciated the most about the original are those details, that make the image attractive when shown in normal size. Also the white background and the black edge is missing, which in combination with the Template:WikiProject Systems, is quite different. -- Mdd (talk) 16:42, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

Given that this is a flow diagram, I don't think too many shadows and effects would be appropriate. I can make the shape more of a star-shape like the original, though. Or perhaps change the colour?

Also, I note that this image is used as an icon in a lot of places which doesn't really make sense given this is quite a large diagram. If you have any ideas for something else that might be more appropriate, I'd be happy to try drawing it up. NikNaks _{talk - gallery} 15:33, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

Tech help required to improve categories

Please see Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)#CatVisor and User:Paradoctor/CatVisor#Planned features if you are willing and able to assist this innovative WP project move along it would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, IZAK (talk) 23:00, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Comment on the WikiProject X proposal

Hello there! As you may already know, most WikiProjects here on Wikipedia struggle to stay active after they've been founded. I believe there is a lot of potential for WikiProjects to facilitate collaboration across subject areas, so I have submitted a grant proposal with the Wikimedia Foundation for the "WikiProject X" project. WikiProject X will study what makes WikiProjects succeed in retaining editors and then design a prototype WikiProject system that will recruit contributors to WikiProjects and help them run effectively. Please review the proposal here and leave feedback. If you have any questions, you can ask on the proposal page or leave a message on my talk page. Thank you for your time! (Also, sorry about the posting mistake earlier. If someone already moved my message to the talk page, feel free to remove this posting.) Harej (talk) 22:48, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

One of your project's articles has been featured

Hello, Please note that Game design, which is within this project's scope, has been selected as one of Today's articles for improvement. The article was scheduled to appear on Wikipedia's Community portal in the "Today's articles for improvement" section for one week, beginning today. Everyone is encouraged to collaborate to improve the article. Thanks, and happy editing! Delivered by Theo's Little Bot at 01:00, 8 December 2014 (UTC) on behalf of the TAFI team

WikiProject X is live!

Hello everyone!

You may have received a message from me earlier asking you to comment on my WikiProject X proposal. The good news is that WikiProject X is now live! In our first phase, we are focusing on research. At this time, we are looking for people to share their experiences with WikiProjects: good, bad, or neutral. We are also looking for WikiProjects that may be interested in trying out new tools and layouts that will make participating easier and projects easier to maintain. If you or your WikiProject are interested, check us out! Note that this is an opt-in program; no WikiProject will be required to change anything against its wishes. Please let me know if you have any questions. Thank you!

Note: To receive additional notifications about WikiProject X on this talk page, please add this page to Wikipedia:WikiProject X/Newsletter. Otherwise, this will be the last notification sent about WikiProject X.

Harej (talk) 16:57, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia Primary School invitation

Hi everybody. On behalf of the teams behind the Wikipedia Primary School research project, I would like to announce that the article Domestic violence (of interest to this wikiproject) was selected a while ago to be reviewed by an external expert. We'd now like to ask interested editors to join our efforts and improve the article before March 15, 2015 (any timezone) as they see fit; a revision will be then sent to the designated expert for review (please see the article's talk page for details). Any notes and remarks written by the external expert will be made available on the article's talk page under a CC-BY-SA license as soon as possible, so that you can read them, discuss them and then decide if and how to use them. Please sign up here to let us know you're collaborating. Thanks a lot for your support! Elitre (WPS) (talk) 17:19, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

WikiProject X Newsletter • Issue 3

Greetings! For this month's issue...

We have demos!

After a lengthy research and design process, we decided for WikiProject X to focus on two things:

• A WikiProject workflow that focuses on action items: discussions you can participate in and tasks you can perform to improve the encyclopedia; and
• An automatically updating WikiProject directory that gives you lists of users participating in the WikiProject and editing in that subject area.

We have a live demonstration of the new WikiProject workflow at WikiProject Women in Technology, a brand new WikiProject that was set up as an adjunct to a related edit-a-thon in Washington, DC. The goal is to surface action items for editors, and we intend on doing that through automatically updated working lists. We are looking into using SuggestBot to generate lists of outstanding tasks, and we are looking into additional options for automatic worklist generation. This takes the burden off of WikiProject editors to generate these worklists, though there is also a "requests" section for Wikipedians to make individual requests. (As of writing, these automated lists are not yet live, so you will see a blank space under "edit articles" on the demo WikiProject. Sorry about that!) I invite you to check out the WikiProject and leave feedback on WikiProject X's talk page.

Once the demo is sufficiently developed, we will be working on a limited deployment on our pilot WikiProjects. We have selected five for the first round of testing based on the highest potential for impact and will scale up from there.

While a re-designed WikiProject experience is much needed, that alone isn't enough. A WikiProject isn't any good if people have no way of discovering it. This is why we are also developing an automatically updated WikiProject directory. This directory will surface project-related metrics, including a count of active WikiProject participants and of active editors in that project's subject area. The purpose of these metrics is to highlight how active the WikiProject is at the given point of time, but also to highlight that project's potential for success. The directory is not yet live but there is a demonstration featuring a sampling of WikiProjects.

Each directory entry will link to a WikiProject description page which automatically list the active WikiProject participants and subject-area article editors. This allows Wikipedians to find each other based on the areas they are interested in, and this information can be used to revive a WikiProject, start a new one, or even for some other purpose. These description pages are not online yet, but they will use this template, if you want to get a feel of what they will look like.

We need volunteers!

WikiProject X is a huge undertaking, and we need volunteers to support our efforts, including testers and coders. Check out our volunteer portal and see what you can do to help us!

As an aside...

Wouldn't it be cool if lists of requested articles could not only be integrated directly with WikiProjects, but also shared between WikiProjects? Well, we got the crazy idea of having experimental software feature Flow deployed (on a totally experimental basis) on the new Article Request Workshop, which seeks to be a place where editors can "workshop" article ideas before they get created. It uses Flow because Flow allows, essentially, section-level categorization, and in the future will allow "sections" (known as "topics" within Flow) to be included across different pages. What this means is that you have a recommendation for a new article tagged by multiple WikiProjects, allowing for the recommendation to appear on lists for each WikiProject. This will facilitate inter-WikiProject collaboration and will help to reduce duplicated work. The Article Request Workshop is not entirely ready yet due to some bugs with Flow, but we hope to integrate it into our pilot WikiProjects at some point.

Harej (talk) 01:58, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

WikiProject X Newsletter • Issue 4

Newsletter • May/June 2015

Hello friends! We have been hard at work these past two months. For this report:

The directory is live!

For the first time, we are happy to bring you an exhaustive, comprehensive WikiProject Directory. This directory endeavors to list every single WikiProject on the English Wikipedia, including those that don't participate in article assessment. In constructing the broadest possible definition, we have come up with a list of approximately 2,600 WikiProjects. The directory tracks activity statistics on the WikiProject's pages, and, for where it's available, statistics on the number of articles tracked by the WikiProject and the number of editors active on those articles. Complementing the directory are description pages for each project, listing usernames of people active on the WikiProject pages and the articles in the WikiProject's scope. This will help Wikipedians interested in a subject find each other, whether to seek feedback on an article or to revive an old project. (There is an opt-out option.) We have also come up with listings of related WikiProjects, listing the ten most relevant WikiProjects based on what articles they have in common. We would like to promote WikiProjects as interconnected systems, rather than isolated silos.

A tremendous amount of work went into preparing this directory. WikiProjects do not consistently categorize their pages, meaning we had to develop our own index to match WikiProjects with the articles in their scope. We also had to make some adjustments to how WikiProjects were categorized; indeed, I personally have racked up a few hundred edits re-categorizing WikiProjects. There remains more work to be done to make the WikiProject directory truly useful. In the meantime, take a look and feel free to leave feedback at the WikiProject X talk page.

Stuff in the works!

What have we been working on?

• A new design template—This has been in the works for a while, of course. But our goal is to design something that is useful and cleanly presented on all browsers and at all screen resolutions while working within the confines of what MediaWiki has to offer. Additionally, we are working on designs for the sub-components featured on the main project page.
• A new WikiProject talk page banner in Lua—Work has begun on implementing the WikiProject banner in Lua. The goal is to create a banner template that can be usable by any WikiProject in lieu of having its own template. Work has slowed down for now to focus on higher priority items, but we are interested in your thoughts on how we could go about creating a more useful project banner. We have a draft module on Test Wikipedia, with a demonstration.
• New discussion reports—We have over 4.8 million articles on the English Wikipedia, and almost as many talk pages as well. But what happens when someone posts on a talk page? What if no one is watching that talk page? We are currently testing out a system for an automatically-updating new discussions list, like RFC for WikiProjects. We currently have five test pages up for the WikiProjects on cannabis, cognitive science, evolutionary biology, and Ghana.
• SuggestBot for WikiProjects—We have asked the maintainer of SuggestBot to make some minor adjustments to SuggestBot that will allow it to post regular reports to those WikiProjects that ask for them. Stay tuned!
• Semi-automated article assessment—Using the new revision scoring service and another system currently under development, WikiProjects will be getting a new tool to facilitate the article assessment process by providing article quality/importance predictions for articles yet to be assessed. Aside from helping WikiProjects get through their backlogs, the goal is to help WikiProjects with collecting metrics and triaging their work. Semi-automation of this process will help achieve consistent results and keep the process running smoothly, as automation does on other parts of Wikipedia.

Want us to work on any other tools? Interested in volunteering? Leave a note on our talk page.

The WikiProject watchers report is back!

The database report which lists WikiProjects according to the number of watchers (i.e., people that have the project on their watchlist), is back! The report stopped being updated a year ago, following the deactivation of the Toolserver, but a replacement report has been generated.

Until next time, Harej (talk) 22:20, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

New wikiproject proposal: Information Visualisation

I'm proposing a new Wikiproject focussed on information visualisation. Since it has a some relation to this project, I'm adding a notification here. If you're interested, come and help brainstorm over here --> Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Proposals/Information_Visualisation --naught101 (talk) 02:29, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

Scientific American source/prevalence of domestic violence data at the Domestic violence article

Opinions are needed on the following matter: Talk:Domestic violence#Should the Scientific American "rates of domestic violence are roughly equal between men and women" material be included? A WP:Permalink for it is here. Flyer22 (talk) 05:59, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

WikiProject X Newsletter • Issue 5

Newsletter • October 2015

Hello there! Happy to be writing this newsletter once more. This month:

We did it!

In July, we launched five pilot WikiProjects: WikiProjects Cannabis, Evolutionary Biology, Ghana, Hampshire, and Women's Health. We also use the new design, named "WPX UI," on WikiProject Women in Technology, Women in Red, WikiProject Occupational Safety and Health. We are currently looking for projects for the next round of testing. If you are interested, please sign up on the Pilots page.

Shortly after our launch we presented at Wikimania 2015. Our slides are on Wikimedia Commons.

Then after all that work, we went through the process of figuring out whether we accomplished our goal. We reached out to participants on the redesigned WikiProjects, and we asked them to complete a survey. (If you filled out your survey—thank you!) While there are still some issues with the WikiProject tools and the new design, there appears to be general satisfaction (at least among those who responded). The results of the survey and more are documented in our grant report filed with the Wikimedia Foundation.

The work continues!

There is more work that needs to be done, so we have applied for a renewal of our grant. Comments on the proposal are welcome. We would like to improve what we have already started on the English Wikipedia and to also expand to Wikimedia Commons and Wikidata. Why those? Because they are multilingual projects and because there needs to be better coordination across Wikimedia projects. More details are available in the renewal proposal.

How can the Wikimedia Foundation support WikiProjects?

The Wikimedia Developer Summit will be held in San Francisco in January 2016. The recently established Community Tech team at the Wikimedia Foundation is interested in investigating what technical support they can provide for WikiProjects, i.e., support beyond just templates and bots. I have plenty of opinions myself, but I want to hear what you think. The session is being planned on Phabricator, the Wikimedia bug tracker. If you are not familiar with Phabricator, you can log in with your Wikipedia username and password through the "Login or Register: MediaWiki" button on the login page. Your feedback can help make editing Wikipedia a better experience.

Until next time,

Harej (talk) 09:03, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

Types of parallel projection

There is a dispute over the taxonomy of parallel projection, here. We need some input. Thanks. SharkD  Talk  18:40, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

Solar System listed at Requested moves

A requested move discussion has been initiated for Solar System to be moved to Sun's System. This page is of interest to this WikiProject and interested members may want to participate in the discussion here. —RMCD bot 07:29, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

To opt out of RM notifications on this page, transclude {{bots|deny=RMCD bot}}, or set up Article alerts for this WikiProject.

Quashed. ~Kvng (talk) 14:44, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

Automatic Identification System listed at Requested moves

A requested move discussion has been initiated for Automatic Identification System to be moved to Automatic identification system. This page is of interest to this WikiProject and interested members may want to participate in the discussion here. —RMCD bot 08:44, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

To opt out of RM notifications on this page, transclude {{bots|deny=RMCD bot}}, or set up Article alerts for this WikiProject.

WikiProject X Newsletter • Issue 6

Newsletter • January 2016

Hello there! Happy to be writing this newsletter once more. This month:

What comes next

Some good news: the Wikimedia Foundation has renewed WikiProject X. This means we can continue focusing on making WikiProjects better.

During our first round of work, we created a prototype WikiProject based on two ideas: (1) WikiProjects should clearly present things for people to do, and (2) The content of WikiProjects should be automated as much as possible. We launched pilots, and for the most part it works. But this approach will not work for the long term. While it makes certain aspects of running a WikiProject easier, it makes the maintenance aspects harder.

We are working on a major overhaul that will address these issues. New features will include:

• Creating WikiProjects by simply filling out a form, choosing which reports you want to generate for your project. This will work with existing bots in addition to the Reports Bot reports. (Of course, you can also have sections curated by humans.)
• One-click button to join a WikiProject, with optional notifications.
• Be able to define your WikiProject's scope within the WikiProject itself by listing relevant pages and categories, eliminating the need to tag every talk page with a banner. (You will still be allowed to do that, of course. It just won't be required.)

The end goal is a collaboration tool that can be used by WikiProjects but also by any edit-a-thon or group of people that want to coordinate on improving articles. Though implemented as an extension, the underlying content will be wikitext, meaning that you can continue to use categories, templates, and other features as you normally would.

This will take a lot of work, and we are just getting started. What would you like to see? I invite you to discuss on our talk page.

Until next time,

Harej (talk) 02:53, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

User:Maxorazon

Hello,

I registered in Wikipedia for one reason, contributing at least once to the Global project.

Turnt that I am interested in UAVs, DIY and computing : I would like to revamp a bunch of old and deprecated topics, including Autopilot and Flight control system, with clear reorganisation and updating.

Please let me know if anyone finds that message-in-a-bottle! Regards, Max. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maxorazon (talk • contribs) 21:32, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

Welcome Maxorazon. Feel free to add yourself to our participants list here. Thank you for your Draft:Quadcopter flight controller contribution. This looks like an area where we need more coverage. ~Kvng (talk) 16:38, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

WikiProject X Newsletter • Issue 7

Newsletter • February 2016

This month:

One database for Wikipedia requests

Development of the extension for setting up WikiProjects, as described in the last issue of this newsletter, is currently underway. No terribly exciting news on this front.

In the meantime, we are working on a prototype for a new service we hope to announce soon. The problem: there are requests scattered all across Wikipedia, including requests for new articles and requests for improvements to existing articles. We Wikipedians are very good at coming up with lists of things to do. But once we write these lists, where do they end up? How can we make them useful for all editors—even those who do not browse the missing articles lists, or the particular WikiProjects that have lists?

Introducing Wikipedia Requests, a new tool to centralize the various lists of requests around Wikipedia. Requests will be tagged by category and WikiProject, making it easier to find requests based on what your interests are. Accompanying this service will be a bot that will let you generate reports from this database on any wiki page, including WikiProjects. This means that once a request is filed centrally, it can syndicated all throughout Wikipedia, and once it is fulfilled, it will be marked as "complete" throughout Wikipedia. The idea for this service came about when I saw that it was easy to put together to-do lists based on database queries, but it was harder to do this for human-generated requests when those requests are scattered throughout the wiki, siloed throughout several pages. This should especially be useful for WikiProjects that have overlapping interests.

The newsletter this month is fairly brief; not a lot of news, just checking in to say that we are hard at work and hope to have more for you soon.

Until next time,

Harej (talk) 01:44, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

WikiProject X Newsletter • Issue 8

Newsletter • March / April 2016

This month:

Transclude article requests anywhere on Wikipedia

In the last issue of the WikiProject X Newsletter, I discussed the upcoming Wikipedia Requests system: a central database for outstanding work on Wikipedia. I am pleased to announce Wikipedia Requests is live! Its purpose is to supplement automatically generated lists, such as those from SuggestBot, Reports bot, or Wikidata. It is currently being demonstrated on WikiProject Occupational Safety and Health (which I work on as part of my NIOSH duties) and WikiProject Women scientists.

Adding a request is as simple as filling out a form. Just go to the Add form to add your request. Adding sources will help ensure that your request is fulfilled more quickly. And when a request is fulfilled, simply click "mark as complete" and it will be removed from all the lists it's on. All at the click of a button! (If anyone is concerned, all actions are logged.)

With this new service is a template to transclude these requests: {{Wikipedia Requests}}. It's simple to use: add the template to a page, specifying article=, category=, or wikiproject=, and the list will be transcluded. For example, for requests having to do with all living people, just do {{Wikipedia Requests|category=Living people}}. Use these lists on WikiProjects but also for edit-a-thons where you want a convenient list of things to do on hand. Give it a shot!

Help us build our list!

The value of Wikipedia Requests comes from being a centralized database. The long work to migrating individual lists into this combined list is slowly underway. As of writing, we have 883 open tasks logged in Wikipedia Requests. We need your help building this list.

If you know of a list of missing articles, or of outstanding tasks for existing articles, that you would like to migrate to this new system, head on over to Wikipedia:Wikipedia Requests#Transition project and help out. Doing this will help put your list in front of more eyes—more than just your own WikiProject.

An open database means new tools

WikiProject X maintains a database that associates article talk pages (and draft talk pages) with WikiProjects. This database powers many of the reports that Reports bot generates. However, until very recently, this database was not made available to others who might find its data useful. It's only common sense to open up the database and let others build tools with it.

And indeed: Citation Hunt, the game to add citations to Wikipedia, now lets you filter by WikiProject, using the data from our database.

Are you a tool developer interested in using this? Here are some details: the database resides on Tool Labs with the name s52475__wpx_p. The table that associates WikiProjects with articles and drafts is called projectindex. Pages are stored by talk page title but in the future this should change. Have fun!

On the horizon

• The work on the CollaborationKit extension continues. The extension will initially focus on reducing template and Lua bloat on WikiProjects (especially our WPX UI demonstration projects), and will from there create custom interfaces for creating and maintaining WikiProjects.
• The WikiCite meeting will be in Berlin in May. The goal of the meeting is to figure out how to build a bibliographic database for use on the Wikimedia projects. This fits in quite nicely with WikiProject X's work: we want to make it easier for people to find things to work on, and with a powerful, open bibliographic database, we can build recommendations for sources. This feature was requested by the Wikipedia Library back in September, and this meeting is a major next step. We look forward to seeing what comes out of this meeting.

Until next time,

Harej (talk) 01:29, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

WikiProject X Newsletter • Issue 9

Newsletter • May / June 2016

Check out this month's issue of the WikiProject X newsletter, featuring the first screenshot of our new CollaborationKit software!

Harej (talk) 00:23, 25 June 2016 (UTC)

Article alerts added to this wikiproject

Article alerts added to this wikiproject. Please see: Wikipedia:WikiProject Systems#Article alerts. Ottawahitech (talk) 15:45, 10 July 2016 (UTC)please ping me

WikiProject X Newsletter • Issue 10

Issue 10 of the WikiProject X newsletter is here!

This month, we discuss the new CollaborationKit extension. Here's an image as a teaser:

23:59, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

Popular pages report

We – Community Tech – are happy to announce that the Popular pages bot is back up-and-running (after a one year hiatus)! You're receiving this message because your WikiProject or task force is signed up to receive the popular pages report. Every month, Community Tech bot will post at Wikipedia:WikiProject Systems/Archive 1/Popular pages with a list of the most-viewed pages over the previous month that are within the scope of WikiProject Systems.

We've made some enhancements to the original report. Here's what's new:

• The pageview data includes both desktop and mobile data.
• The report will include a link to the pageviews tool for each article, to dig deeper into any surprises or anomalies.
• The report will include the total pageviews for the entire project (including redirects).

We're grateful to Mr.Z-man for his original Mr.Z-bot, and we wish his bot a happy robot retirement. Just as before, we hope the popular pages reports will aid you in understanding the reach of WikiProject Systems, and what articles may be deserving of more attention. If you have any questions or concerns please contact us at m:User talk:Community Tech bot.

Warm regards, the Community Tech Team 17:16, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

Disambiguation links on pages tagged by this wikiproject

Wikipedia has many thousands of wikilinks which point to disambiguation pages. It would be useful to readers if these links directed them to the specific pages of interest, rather than making them search through a list. Members of WikiProject Disambiguation have been working on this and the total number is now below 20,000 for the first time. Some of these links require specialist knowledge of the topics concerned and therefore it would be great if you could help in your area of expertise.

A list of the relevant links on pages which fall within the remit of this wikiproject can be found at http://69.142.160.183/~dispenser/cgi-bin/topic_points.py?banner=WikiProject_Systems

Please take a few minutes to help make these more useful to our readers.— Rod ^talk 18:54, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

One of your project's articles has been selected for improvement!

Hello, Please note that Report, which is within this project's scope, has been selected as one of Today's articles for improvement. The article was scheduled to appear on Wikipedia's Community portal in the "Today's articles for improvement" section for one week, beginning today. Everyone is encouraged to collaborate to improve the article. Thanks, and happy editing! Delivered by — MusikBot ^talk 00:05, 11 December 2017 (UTC) on behalf of the TAFI team

WikiProject X Newsletter • Issue 11

Newsletter • February 2018

Check out this month's issue of the WikiProject X newsletter, with plans to renew work with a followup grant proposal to support finalising the deployment of CollaborationKit!

-— Isarra ༆ 21:26, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

WikiProject collaboration notice from the Portals WikiProject

The reason I am contacting you is because there are one or more portals that fall under this subject, and the Portals WikiProject is currently undertaking a major drive to automate portals that may affect them.

Portals are being redesigned.

The new design features are being applied to existing portals.

At present, we are gearing up for a maintenance pass of portals in which the introduction section will be upgraded to no longer need a subpage. In place of static copied and pasted excerpts will be self-updating excerpts displayed through selective transclusion, using the template {{Transclude lead excerpt}}.

The discussion about this can be found here.

Maintainers of specific portals are encouraged to sign up as project members here, noting the portals they maintain, so that those portals are skipped by the maintenance pass. Currently, we are interested in upgrading neglected and abandoned portals. There will be opportunity for maintained portals to opt-in later, or the portal maintainers can handle upgrading (the portals they maintain) personally at any time.

Background

On April 8th, 2018, an RfC ("Request for comment") proposal was made to eliminate all portals and the portal namespace. On April 17th, the Portals WikiProject was rebooted to handle the revitalization of the portal system. On May 12th, the RfC was closed with the result to keep portals, by a margin of about 2 to 1 in favor of keeping portals.

There's an article in the current edition of the Signpost interviewing project members about the RfC and the Portals WikiProject.

Since the reboot, the Portals WikiProject has been busy building tools and components to upgrade portals.

So far, 84 editors have joined.

If you would like to keep abreast of what is happening with portals, see the newsletter archive.

If you have any questions about what is happening with portals or the Portals WikiProject, please post them on the WikiProject's talk page.

Thank you.    — The Transhumanist   11:02, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

Proposed updates to the Scaled agile framework article

Hello. On behalf of my employer, Scaled Agile Inc., I've proposed some updates to the Scaled agile framework article, in order to bring it up to date. Please see suggestions for both the "SAFe framework" section and the "Challenges" section on the article's talk page. Additionally, I've suggested secondary sourcing to address the tag at the top of the "Implementation" section. I invite WikiProject members to contribute to the discussion, especially those who may be familiar with scaled agile.

Thank you. JB at Scaled Agile (talk) 16:48, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

WikiProject X Newsletter • Issue 12

Newsletter • August 2018

This month: WikiProject X: The resumption

Work has resumed on WikiProject X and CollaborationKit, backed by a successfully funded Project Grant. For more information on the current status and planned work, please see this month's issue of the newsletter!

-— Isarra ༆ 22:24, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

Article rename

The article Isometric computer graphics has been moved around under different names in the past few months. The latest move request is here. The article is about video games mostly, so the current name is maybe too general in scope. What do you think? ➧datumizer  ☎  21:41, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

Random walk to a course assignment

frog single dimension — Preceding unsigned comment added by WrightA (talk • contribs) 22:17, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

WikiProject X Newsletter • Issue 13

Newsletter • December 2018

This month: A general update.

The current status of the project is as follows:

• Progress of the project has been generally delayed since September due to development issues (more bitrot than expected, some of the code just being genuinely confusing, etc) and personal injury (I suffered a concussion in October and was out of commission for almost two months as a result).
• I currently expect to be putting out a proper call for CollaborationKit pilots in January/February, with estimated deployment in February/March if things don't go horribly wrong (they will, though, don't worry). As a part of that, I will properly update the page and send out announcement and reach out to all projects already signed up as pilots for WikiProject X in general, at which point those (still) interested can volunteer specifically to test the CollaborationKit extension.
  • Wikipedia:WikiProject X/Pilots was originally created for the first WikiProject X prototype, and given this is where the project has since gone, it's only logical to continue to use it. While I haven't yet updated the page to properly reflect this:
  • If you want to add your project to this page now, feel free. Just bear in mind that more information what to actually expect will be added later/included in the announcement, because by then I will have a much better idea myself.
• Until then, you can find me in my corner working on making the CollaborationKit code do what we want and not just what we told it, per the workboard.

Until next time,

-— Isarra ༆ 22:44, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

A new newsletter directory is out!

A new Newsletter directory has been created to replace the old, out-of-date one. If your WikiProject and its taskforces have newsletters (even inactive ones), or if you know of a missing newsletter (including from sister projects like WikiSpecies), please include it in the directory! The template can be a bit tricky, so if you need help, just post the newsletter on the template's talk page and someone will add it for you.

– Sent on behalf of Headbomb. 03:11, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

A possible Science/STEM User Group

There's a discussion about a possible User Group for STEM over at Meta:Talk:STEM_Wiki_User_Group. The idea would be to help coordinate, collaborate and network cross-subject, cross-wiki and cross-language to share experience and resources that may be valuable to the relevant wikiprojects. Current discussion includes preferred scope and structure. T.Shafee(Evo&Evo)^talk 02:56, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

WikiProject X Newsletter • Issue 14

Newsletter • June 2019

Updates: I've been focusing largely on the development side of things, so we are a lot closer now to being ready to actually start discussing deploying it and testing it out here.

There's just a few things left that need to be resolved:

• A bunch of language support issues in particular, plus some other release blockers, such as the fact that currently there's no good way to find any hubs people do create.
• We also probably need some proper documentation and examples up to even reference if we want a meaningful discussion. We have the extension documentation and some test projects, but we probably need a bit more. Also I need to be able to even find the test projects! How can I possibly write reports about this stuff if I can't find any of it?!

Some other stuff that's happened in the meantime:

• Midpoint report is out for this round of the project, if you want to read in too much detail about all the problems I've been running into.
• WikiProject Molecular Biology have successfully set up using the old module system that CollaborationKit is intended to replace (eventually), and it even seems to work, so go them. Based on the issues they ran into, it looks like the members signup thing on that system has some of the same problems as we've been unable to resolve in CK, though, which is... interesting. (Need to change the content model to the right thing for the formwizard config to take. Ugh, content models.)

Until next time,

-— Isarra ༆ 21:43, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

WikiProject X Newsletter • Issue 15

Newsletter • September 2019

A final update, for now:

The third grant-funded round of WikiProject X has been completed. Unfortunately, while this round has not resulted in a deployed product, I am not planning to resume working on the project for the foreseeable future. Please see the final report for more information.

Regards,

-— Isarra ༆ 19:24, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

Request for information on WP1.0 web tool

Hello and greetings from the maintainers of the WP 1.0 Bot! As you may or may not know, we are currently involved in an overhaul of the bot, in order to make it more modern and maintainable. As part of this process, we will be rewriting the web tool that is part of the project. You might have noticed this tool if you click through the links on the project assessment summary tables.

We'd like to collect information on how the current tool is used by....you! How do you yourself and the other maintainers of your project use the web tool? Which of its features do you need? How frequently do you use these features? And what features is the tool missing that would be useful to you? We have collected all of these questions at this Google form where you can leave your response. Walkerma (talk) 04:25, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

WikiProject Proposal

I found this WikiProject on the talk page of Computer programming which I am proposing a WikiProject for. If you would like to support this proposal, please consider signing in the support section. Thanks! --RH9 07:42, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

FAR notice

I have nominated Astrophysics Data System for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Hog Farm _Bacon 05:44, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Informal request for comment

Input from this WikiProject is requested at Cross-docking § Informal request for comment - replace article?. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 13:46, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Splitting discussion for Collective intelligence

An article that been involved with (Collective intelligence ) has content that is proposed to be removed and moved to another article (General collective intelligence). If you are interested, please visit the discussion. Thank you. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 17:46, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

FAR for Leonhard Euler

I have nominated Leonhard Euler for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. (t · c) buidhe 04:05, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

FAR for Polar coordinate system

I have nominated Polar coordinate system for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Z1720 (talk) 14:39, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Solar system

I have nominated Solar System for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here.Cinadon36 15:43, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

User script to detect unreliable sources

Main page: User:Headbomb/unreliable

I have (with the help of others) made a small user script to detect and highlight various links to unreliable sources and predatory journals. Some of you may already be familiar with it, given it is currently the 39th most imported script on Wikipedia. The idea is that it takes something like

• John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14. (John Smith "[https://www.deprecated.com/article Article of things]" ''Deprecated.com''. Accessed 2020-02-14.)

and turns it into something like

• John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14.

It will work on a variety of links, including those from {{cite web}}, {{cite journal}} and {{doi}}.

The script is mostly based on WP:RSPSOURCES, WP:NPPSG and WP:CITEWATCH and a good dose of common sense. I'm always expanding coverage and tweaking the script's logic, so general feedback and suggestions to expand coverage to other unreliable sources are always welcomed.

Do note that this is not a script to be mindlessly used, and several caveats apply. Details and instructions are available at User:Headbomb/unreliable. Questions, comments and requests can be made at User talk:Headbomb/unreliable.

- Headbomb {t · c · p · b}

This is a one time notice and can't be unsubscribed from. Delivered by: MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:02, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Car layout § Requested move 27 July 2022

 You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Car layout § Requested move 27 July 2022. —usernamekiran (talk) 01:59, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Human-in-the-loop § Merger proposal

 You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Human-in-the-loop § Merger proposal. XtraJovial (talk • contribs) 22:04, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Help with PMI article

Hello, I am looking for someone to help me with a small change to the Project Management Institute article. I am an employee of PMI, so I will not edit the article myself. The change is to add mention of our new CEO to the history section of the article. I made an edit request, which you can see here. Thanks very much! PMIAcacia (talk) 21:37, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

 Done, thanks PMIAcacia and done. -- Mdd (talk) 14:00, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

Disambiguation of links to Interaction

Could you help to disambiguate links to Interaction? There are currently over 160 articles shown in this list many of which relate to this wikiproject. Any help would be appreciated.— Rod ^talk 13:44, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

@Rodw there is no article that describes the systems sense of this word. I'm tempted to call that a dictionary problem and remove these links. But, I see there is a request at Interaction to write a broad-concept article and if someone fulfills that request, removing all these links may have been the wrong thing to do. ~Kvng (talk) 16:54, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

Some of them are chemistry or biology and some physics (although I think I have done most of them) and others linguistics. You may be right about the "systems sense" of the word, but I wouldn't hold your breath for someone writing the relevant new article - unless you are volunteering?— Rod ^talk 17:04, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

One of your project's articles has been selected for improvement!

Hello, Please note that Manufacturing, which is within this project's scope, has been selected as one of the Articles for improvement. The article is scheduled to appear on Wikipedia's Community portal in the "Articles for improvement" section for one week, beginning today. Everyone is encouraged to collaborate to improve the article. Thanks, and happy editing! Delivered by — MusikBot ^talk 00:05, 6 March 2023 (UTC) on behalf of the AFI team

FAR for Conatus

I have nominated Conatus for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" in regards to the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. - car chasm (talk) 14:50, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Is this.. uh, a real field of study?

I can very few references to "systems science" that don't either link back to wikipedia or refer to an "emerging" field of study that seems very poorly defined and only refers to the most abstract generalities.

All of the articles directly related to "systems science" recycle the same few pictures and explanations, and this at best seems to be a marginal interdisciplinary field within a few universities that lack broader recognition. I'm skeptical that the topic this wikiproject purports to cover actually exists as a coherent academic discipline. Is this just a WP:FRANKENSTEIN project that got thrown on everything that could be though of as a "system" or is there more to it? - car chasm (talk) 03:12, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

As I have received no answer, I am marking the project as inactive and marking dubious pages for deletion as appropriate. - car chasm (talk) 00:53, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

See Warnock's dilemma. I personally did not respond because I am a professional in this field and couldn't be bothered to answer your uninformed assertions. Please list the pages that you propose to delete and I'll be happy to review them. ~Kvng (talk) 13:48, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Systems would be a good start. I'm aware that Systems engineering is a real field of study, and Systems biology, Complex systems theory, etc. but Systems as a "interdisciplinary" field of study appears to be an example of this, with the additional complication that outside of wikipedia and some WP:FRINGE sources that seem to be pushing some mystical form of "holism" there's no discussion of it at all. "System" itself is a very general and abstract word, I'm thoroughly unconvinced that the fact that two fields of study or concepts both use this word implies in any way that they're related. - car chasm (talk) 16:47, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

I don't understand what you propose to do about it. ~Kvng (talk) 19:35, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

You asked me to list pages I intended to propose for deletion. I have now done so. - car chasm (talk) 22:39, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

@Carchasm where is the list? ~Kvng (talk) 12:45, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

From a quick search, universities with a department or degree program that has "Systems Science" in its name (not counting constructions like "Health Systems Science" or "Earth Systems Science") include WUSTL, SUNY Binghamton, Portland State, Penn, and Osaka. There are also smaller research centers with similar names at Hull and Johns Hopkins. —David Eppstein (talk) 23:57, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

On a more general point, a WikiProject is a group of people, and people are allowed to Wikipedia:VOLUNTEER for whatever they want. A "WikiProject Articles Starting with the Letter E that were created on Mondays" would be silly but 'legal' under our rules. We don't even have a rule that says the name has to be related to the subject area. WhatamIdoing (talk) 01:28, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

One of your project's articles has been selected for improvement!

Hello, Please note that Human-centered design, which is within this project's scope, has been selected as one of the Articles for improvement. The article is scheduled to appear on Wikipedia's Community portal in the "Articles for improvement" section for one week, beginning today. Everyone is encouraged to collaborate to improve the article. Thanks, and happy editing! Delivered by — MusikBot ^talk 00:05, 20 November 2023 (UTC) on behalf of the AFI team