Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Stations/Archive 3

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Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals/Northern Railways

FYI, Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals/Northern Railways. --Redrose64 (talk) 00:19, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

Haverhill railway station

FYI, Talk:Haverhill railway station#Requested move 9 February 2016. --Redrose64 (talk) 21:53, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

Identification of train or railway stations in the lead

FYI, Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Lead section#Request for comment: Identification of train or railway stations in the lead. --Redrose64 (talk) 17:21, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

  • Note that this RfC was formally closed on April 13 with the result that the lead sections of train station articles should generally stick to a format like "Fremont station is..." rather than "Fremont is a station...". I am going to update the 'Structure' section of WP:STATIONS page to reflect this shortly... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 21:40, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

Canadian railway station naming

Please see Talk:Hinton, Alberta, railway station for a discussion on Canadian railway station naming conventions. RGloucester — ☎ 21:43, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

Restructuring the lead WP:STATIONS page

I would strongly advise that the lead page of this project be restructured. Right now, the sections seem to be put together in a hodgepodge order in a non-logical fashion. I think the sections on how to put the page together (e.g. Titling, Structure) are the most important, and need to go at the top of the page. Then maybe the "articles" sections. And the finally the 'Participants' sections. Does anyone object to this?... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 19:38, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

I notice that Project pages are diverse in layout, and this one is far from best. Glancing quickly at a few, I think the parental Wikipedia:WikiProject Trains provides the best example to follow, at least approximately. Jim.henderson (talk) 09:29, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
OK, I've generally kind of modeled this page's new formatting on WP:TRAINS'. I'm not promising it's perfect, but I think it's better than it was. Any suggested improvements are welcome... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 22:37, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

Hello all, I just wanted to inform you that Featured Lists has two open nominations that fall within this WikiProjects scope:

If anyone has time to review the article and provide your comments on the nomination page, it would be much appreciated. Cheers, « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 14:53, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

Undiscussed page moves, railway stations

FYI, User talk:Amakuru#Page moves, railway stations. --Redrose64 (talk) 18:06, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

Timetable fluff or not

Let's take Rotterdam Centraal station as an example. Most, if not all, Dutch railway station infoboxes include a list of trains servicing them, but the extent of included information makes my WP:NOTTIMETABLE alarm bells go off. For example, the entry for Sprinter 4100 to Schiedam Centrum says: "2x/hour; Before 8:30am and after 9:00pm during beach seasons and before 11:00am and after 4:00pm outside beach seasons". Apart from scrunching up the text in such narrow infoboxes, the layout of tables and images in the main text goes haywire. I was wondering what WP:STATIONS' view is on this. --HyperGaruda (talk) 11:00, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

That's definitely afoul of WP:NOTTIMETABLE. The succession boxes are just lists of service names, not a description of the service itself (other than a pointer to where it's going, sometimes). That's just way too much detail by any reasonable measure. They should be removed immediately as against policy. oknazevad (talk) 13:30, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
I agree with oknazevad. Leaving aside WP:NOTTIMETABLE, it goes against the spirit of WP:SUMMARY. Mackensen (talk) 13:58, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
I removed some duplicated rows.
Stations in the UK use either {{infobox GB station}} or {{infobox London station}}, the first of which has provision for including the routebox within the infobox (it's the |services= parameter) but in practice we never make use of that facility. Instead, we place the routebox in a dedicated "Services" section, see for example Birmingham New Street station#Train services; although some have it right down at the bottom of the article (which kinda loses the context), see for example Ealing Broadway station#External links. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 09:43, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
I suppose the consensus is clear on the matter of "detail". Whether the services themselves belong in the infobox or elsewhere is debatable, considering that most US stations do put them in the infobox. --HyperGaruda (talk) 14:38, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Requested move discussion at Template talk:New South Wales Railway Stations

I'm proposing a name change to Template:New South Wales Railway Stations, and decided to discuss it first, since this change would mean changes to hundreds of articles that use the navbox. This is an open invitation to pop in to voice your opinion on the matter. – PhilipTerryGraham (talk · contribs · count) 06:54, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

Abbots Wood Junction railway station

Could someone with access to sources on defunct British stations please confirm the existence of this one? The sources included in the article refer to the junction but contain no mention of a station, and I'm not finding anything relevant online. Deor (talk) 18:26, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

The junction is still there. The station is one of several on the direct route through Spetchley that closed when all Midland Railway passenger trains were diverted through Worcester Shrub Hill in 1855. I've added some info and two sources. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 21:28, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for looking into the matter, Redrose. Deor (talk) 22:37, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

When to add forthcoming transit systems, and extensions thereto, to Template:S-rail/lines

As a WP:TemplateEditor responding to a request to insert entries for a planned transit system extension, I declined the request on WP:NOTCRYSTAL grounds. However, I think the people participating in transite-related wikiprojects may have a sense of when they collectively think such info should be added to the template, e.g. when we have articles on the planned system and its stations, when they are under construction, when the system is open to the public, or whatever.

Some input at Template talk:S-rail/lines#New template for REM rapid transit project is requested.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ >ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ<  06:53, 1 October 2017 (UTC)

San Diego meetup invitation

You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Meetup/San Diego/November 2017 . RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 01:28, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

RfC on WP:UKSTATION disambiguation

I've started an RfC on making disambiguation consistent in the WP:UKSTATION guideline. It's located here. The input of knowledgeable editors would be valuable.Cúchullain t/c 21:42, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

RfC on station naming

An RfC relevant to this project is taking place here. The topic is the minimum criteria for calling stopping point a station. Useddenim (talk) 22:36, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

Turkish stations naming convention

Hi all

Just a heads up that there is a WP:RM discussion outstanding at Talk:Adana_railway_station#Requested move 2 November 2017, over whether Turkish railway stations should take the form XXX railway station or just XXX station. Although it only concerns three examples now, we would probably regard it as a test case to set a precedent for all others. Any opinions from the WikiProject gratefully received. Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 17:29, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Station Updates

To American Users:

We need to keep on top of adding to the article when an update to the station happens, a new station opens, or new service arrives. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.123.150.46 (talk) 02:01, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

RFC on Chinese railway station title/style conventions

FYI, Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)#RFC on Chinese railway station title/style conventions. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 10:59, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Related: Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)#RfC on naming of Chinese railway line articles. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 09:39, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

Separate tube / national rail articles

Hi

I was just wondering what the criteria are for choosing whether to split a station into separate tube/national rail articles (e.g. Euston railway station / Euston tube station) vs. keeping them in the same article (Marylebone station)? Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 13:39, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

I think if the stations are physically separated, there should definitely be two separate articles. An example is New Delhi railway station and New Delhi metro station which are within walking distance of each other. I would personally prefer to have separate articles for each station all the time. However, if the station building is the same, I guess an argument for having the same article can be made. This is quite an interesting issue.--DreamLinker (talk)
This comes up once or twice a year. I did once work out a comprehensive explanation, which I can no longer find. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 21:22, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

RfC on Comma or parenthetic disambiguation for "small places"

 SMcCandlish has started an RfC at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)#RfC: Comma or parenthetic disambiguation for "small places" to always disambiguate small places, such as railway stations, with commas rather than parentheses. Useddenim (talk) 13:43, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

Requested move discussion

A move discussion is taking place at Talk:Arden railway station, Melbourne#Requested move 28 November 2017 which may interest the members of WP Stations. Triptothecottage (talk) 23:55, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

Railhead

Many articles link to it, yet it has no article. Should it? Jim.henderson (talk) 13:42, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

Stubs of Tehran Metro stations

Category:Iranian railway station stubs lists 157 articles with "Metro Station" in the title. One just moved based on the RM discussion at Talk:Imam Khomeini station#Requested move 13 November 2017. My intention is to work on moving the rest, as this seems like the most appropriate naming convention for stations, but I thought I'd ask here first in case there's a better idea, or someone who wants to help. Dicklyon (talk) 01:46, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

@Dicklyon: hmmm, I'd await the results from this discussion, which is proposing the exact opposite move of Taiwanese station articles. --HyperGaruda (talk) 06:25, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
Correction: Talk:Beimen Station (Taipei Metro)#Requested move 5 December 2017 is the discussion about "Xyz Station"→"Xyz MRT station". --HyperGaruda (talk) 06:27, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
That's not the opposite at all, just somewhat different. Both that proposal and this one move uppercase Station to lowercase station, in alignment with other station titles world-wide. The difference is whether to include further disambiguating info in the title, which to me is less of an issue, as I know that different country projects do it different ways. You're looking at a relisting of a 1-man Taiwan proposal that nobody has cared about since it started, so it's not like it's going to have momentus consequences in other countries. But I did ask, and am happy to entertain alternatives to dropping the Metro bit; if we keep it, it should probably be lowercase "metro station" since Metro wouldn't be a proper name there. Dicklyon (talk) 07:32, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
I agree about lowercasing the identifiers after the station's actual name, but am rather hesitant about removing them altogether. --HyperGaruda (talk) 16:17, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
I'm hesitant, too. This is what was supported at one RM discussion so far, but I'd like to get more input before doing the rest. There doesn't seem to be a ton of interest one way or the other. I'll try to attract some attention at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Iran. And pinging the 3 previous responders. Dicklyon (talk) 18:49, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
I think we should follow the previous RM where applicable; use lowercase unless there's a case of the proper name directly translating to "[Something] Metro[politan] Station", and drop "metro" as unnecessary disambiguation if there are not two stations with the same name.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ >ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ<  02:42, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
The thing is, we usually use a simple "Xyz station" exactly in those cases where multiple modes of transport come together, e.g. Amsterdam Sloterdijk station, which is a train, metro, tram and bus station. --HyperGaruda (talk) 06:32, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
I noticed today that London does that too: Wikipedia:WikiProject_London/Naming_conventions#Transport. That is, preemptive disambiguation except where you can't due to a station serving several different systems. Seems odd to me, but maybe in a huge system like London it makes life easier? If Iran hasn't got some reason, or some prior concensus, to do something like that, I'd rather not. It doesn't seem that Iran has much of anyone that cares; or they take the weekend off from WP maybe. Dicklyon (talk) 06:52, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
Not just London: the whole of the UK - see WP:NCUKSTATIONS. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 10:50, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
So what's your suggestion? Dicklyon (talk) 07:45, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

Newmarket

FYI

Talk:Railway stations in Newmarket#Split revival --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 23:26, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

Services in infobox station

FYI

Template talk:Infobox station#Optional separation of former and future services --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 12:19, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Oakland Coliseum station: Request for comments on bus table inclusion

FYI

Talk:Oakland Coliseum station#Request for comments on bus table inclusion, which is related to Talk:Oakland Coliseum station#Excessive detail, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Buses#Oakland Coliseum station and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Trains#Oakland Coliseum station. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 10:36, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

RFC on list of transportation service destinations

There is an RFC on the inclusion of lists transportation service destinations, including lists rail stations. See WP:VPP#transportation lists

Railway stations served by London Midland

FYI

The CfD for Category:Railway stations served by London Midland has been relisted and is now at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2018 February 20#Category:Railway stations served by London Midland. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 19:11, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

Is there a Wikipedia list of newly opened / reopened stations in the UK (by year) ?

Is there a Wikipedia list of newly opened / reopened stations in the UK (by year) ? If there is I can`t find it, not easily anyway. If there isn`t surely there should be, apart from anything else I`d be interested to keep my Cobbs rail atlas updated !--JustinSmith (talk) 10:00, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
Since nobody has stated otherwise I`m assuming there is no page for station openings / reopenings so I have started one UK railway station openings / reopenings by year. Other editors may like to add to it, back to Beechings era ? Or further back ?--JustinSmith (talk) 08:49, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

You know, I am almost inclined to call WP:LISTCRUFT upon this. Things like this are more suited to Wikidata. --HyperGaruda (talk) 04:50, 24 March 2018 (UTC)
Wikidata example. Seems the database also requires quite a lot of expansion as not all stations have had their opening dates filled in. --HyperGaruda (talk) 05:39, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

Coventry railway station

FYI

Talk:Coventry railway station (England)#Move. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 21:00, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

Tai Po Market railway station

Should Tai Po Market railway station redirect to Tai Po Market station or Hong Kong Railway Museum#History? Please leave any comments you have in the discussion at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 September 18#Tai Po Market railway station. Thryduulf (talk) 17:03, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

Van Nuys train station RM

I would appreciate additional comments here on this proposed move. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 19:50, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

Discussion on interchange statistics

You might be interested in this discussion about how many years of interchange stats should be shown in British railway station infoboxes. Absolutelypuremilk (talk) 13:11, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

Notification of RM: Harrington (Church Road Halt) railway station

FYI
 – Pointer to relevant discussion elsewhere.

Please see Talk:Harrington (Church Road Halt) railway station#Requested move 19 December 2018. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 22:41, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

RFC at WT:Naming conventions (US stations)

Please see Non-notable streetcar "stations". Useddenim (talk) 16:49, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

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Help please

There is a circular argument going on at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Taiwan stations). Could someone knock a couple of heads together and help form a consensus? SMcCandlish? Anyone? Useddenim (talk) 02:20, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

Notability of railway stations

FYI
 – Pointer to relevant discussion elsewhere.

Please see Wikipedia talk:Notability#Train stations and comment on the RfC that you find there. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 19:20, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

Union Station (Brattleboro, Vermont)

Members of this project may wish to monitor the current editing of this article. Beyond My Ken (talk) 07:20, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

Station opening dates

FYI
 – Pointer to relevant discussion elsewhere.

Please see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Trains#Station opening dates --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 07:20, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

Lead photo at Liverpool Street station

FYI
 – Pointer to relevant discussion elsewhere.

Talk:Liverpool Street station#Lead photo. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 22:40, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

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Joliet Correctional Center / State Prison station

At Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 November 18#State Prison station the redirect State Prison station, which targets Joliet Correctional Center is being discussed. From that discussion it seems there was a station for the prison on the Alton Railroad (Illinois), but there is currently no content about it in the article. If you can add relevant content, or have other relevant comments, please comment on the linked RfD discussion. Thryduulf (talk) 09:52, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Ålen Station#Requested move 24 December 2019

 You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Ålen Station#Requested move 24 December 2019. The request pertains to all articles in Category:Norwegian railway station stubs. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:45, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

List_of_TransMilenio_stations and infoboxes

I'm going to be trying to clean up infoboxes (generally, not specific to transport) soon and I opened Movistar Arena (TransMilenio) and found a mess. I was pointed to the fact that most of the stations in the above list with articles have a similar mess in their infoboxes. (Subsequent assessment was that these may not be notable, FWIW.)

Can someone help me convert the article on the Arena station to the appropriate infobox? And/or work on the lot? And/or decide if they have the notability to even deal with the infobox problem? :) --Izno (talk) 20:30, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Izno, these appear to be bus rapid transit stations. There's no real consensus (that I'm aware of) as to whether BRT stations are notable or not. To the extent that they have permanent infrastructure (as opposed to stops) and thus resemble light rail stations, they get kept at AfD. These articles should be using {{Infobox station}}. Mackensen (talk) 20:53, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
@Mackensen: Right, I knew about which infobox, but having a specific article fixed would help me sort out the rest, without judging suitability as Wikipedia articles. --Izno (talk) 20:55, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
Izno, got it, will do. Mackensen (talk) 21:01, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
Izno, I did what I could with Movistar Arena (TransMilenio). The articles are definitely in a bad way. Mackensen (talk) 22:10, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
Excellent! --Izno (talk) 22:14, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
@Mackensen: There also seems to be a lot of a partially converted form like Avenida 39 (TransMilenio). Can that be made better? --Izno (talk) 20:02, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Greek Railway lines

Greetings Wikipedians, a strange question but how do you get into the code for railway lines... I ask as I'm having issues with services in Greece? and while I can find the codes for lines, I can not add colour to them... or recode them for 'Regional' or 'Local' Thank you in advance  The Emperor of Byzantium  (talk) 23:18, 14 Feb 2021 (UTC)

The Emperor of Byzantium, that depends. If you're talking about succession boxes on railway station articles, they're probably using {{s-line}} or {{adjacent stations}}. Do you have an example station article? Mackensen (talk) 00:03, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
Mackensen, thanks for your speedy response, well a good example is Kalambaka in which all 4 OSE services should be 'express' I can not seem to find the code within the {{s-line}} to fix this issue, or others that need to be adressed across the network? If you can help that would be fab, thank you  The Emperor of Byzantium  (talk) 17:31, 16 Feb 2021 (UTC)
The Emperor of Byzantium, you'll need to modify {{TrainOSE lines}}. Mackensen (talk) 23:58, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
Mackensen, thank you! that is very helpful... I see a lot of work ahead of me so thank you haha, take care and stay safe!  The Emperor of Byzantium  (talk) 15:20, 17 Feb 2021 (UTC)

Station layouts discussion notification

Hi all, there was a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Trains about whether to include station layout diagrams and lists of exists in articles which may be of interest to people here. NemesisAT (talk) 15:23, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

Are bus stations part of this project?

Pinging @Geof Sheppard:, I am writing to clarify whether or not this project covers bus stations (including those not connected to a railway station). The wording at Template:WikiProject Buses is ambiguous. Thanks, NemesisAT (talk) 16:30, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

I doubt anyone would object to this project covering them, especially since WP Buses is more or less inactive. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 18:21, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
Thank you for your response. I think perhaps the stations parameter in the WP Buses template was intended for stations with both rail and bus, however I think it ought to include stations that are solely for buses too. Otherwise, the stations parameter should be removed from Template:WikiProject Buses. If others are happy I'll update the documentation to say "stations" includes bus stations too. NemesisAT (talk) 18:48, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
It was added to {{WikiProject Buses}} by Rcsprinter123 (talk · contribs) at 19:51, 19 January 2012; notice the edit summary "bus ations", which (if we assume that a "st" was omitted accidentally) implies that bus stations were intended, not necessarily those having rail facilities as well. I don't know whether (or where) it was discussed at the time, but there are older threads by Thryduulf (talk · contribs) at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Buses/Archive 1#Tagging bus stations for this project and Wikipedia:Bot requests/Archive 42#Tagging bus station articles for WikiProject Buses. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 09:26, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
Thank you, sorry I didn't find those conversations in my quick search. Looks like there is generally (weak) support for including bus stations too. NemesisAT (talk) 09:40, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
While a project can presumably redefine itself, the current project scope is to provide a standard format for articles about a train station or metro station and the organization shows that the parent of this project is WikiProject Trains. Geof Sheppard (talk) 16:32, 9 June 2021 (UTC)