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Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Pornography/Archive 9
Wikipedia's sexual agendaThe likely accidentally mistaken use of the moralistic term pornography instead of erotica is something this site needs to clean up. Pornography is certainly a useful word but it is a subset of erotica. The blithe assumption that erotica is pornographic (related to prostitution/immorality) is something the 19th-century inventor of the term would probably be happy with but it's not a trap this site needs to stay in. Here is the Oxford dictionary definition of pornography. "Printed or visual material containing the explicit description or display of sexual organs or activity, intended to stimulate sexual excitement. Origin — Mid 19th century: from Greek pornographos ‘writing about prostitutes’, from pornē ‘prostitute’ + graphein ‘write’." It doesn't matter how commonly misused the term pornography is or how popular the moral judgment that erotica is pornographic is. Those are moral agenda non-neutral things that Wikipedia needs to do its utmost to avoid pushing.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.233.2.200 (talk • contribs) 22:45, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
Multiple changes in dot com websitesRe: [1] There have been a number of these by various single purpose accounts. Thoughts?
Findings of discussion at IRC (quoted with permission) regarding an attempt to change www.christymack.com to www.christymackporn.com: "...has the look of some sort of content aggregation site. It links to pornactress.net which in turn leads to naughtyamerica.com, with various payment options..." "...if I had to guess, I'd guess that www.christymackporn.com and this whole naughtyamerica.com operation is pirating the content from www.christymack.com and getting rich quick..." "...looking further into Naughty America, they do look to be a reasonably legitimate business, I wonder if some of the sites which link to Naughty America are run by affiliates and they're earning money by pushing traffic towards Naughty America..." Anna Frodesiak (talk) 11:40, 8 March 2017 (UTC) Transgendrer or Transsexual pornI have started a debate whether Transgender pornography should be redirected to Transsexual pornography anyone opinions for or aganist go to Talk:Transsexual pornography. Dwanyewest (talk) 00:12, 9 March 2017 (UTC) Spam alertPlease be on the lookout for the addition of "porn" to official websites for porn actress articles. This is happening now by sock accounts and IPs. Example: www.bonnierotten.com --> www.bonnierottenporn.com [2] Also, please remove the addition of www.pornactress.net/ on sight. Thank you. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:50, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
Are the people notable?Deauxma, Sara Jay, Peta Jensen, Kendra Sunderland, Nina Elle, Summer Brielle and Sarina Valentina notable? Especially Sarina as she has been nominated for the following awards:
What bout Alexis Fawx she has received three nominations from XBIZ, including MILF Performer of the Year and Girl/Girl Performer of the Year. She also picked up another nomination for Best Supporting Actress for her role in "The Preacher's Daughter" (Wicked). The film also received a nomination for Best Feature. Also she had 2 AVN nominations including MILF Performer of the Year. She also received a nomination for Best Supporting Actress for her role as wife and mother in "The Preacher's Daughter" (Wicked). Dwanyewest (talk) 17:34, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
So the nominations don't mean shit Spartaz unless they have sources or the nominations themselves aren't noteworthy and Sara Jay AVN hall of fame doesn't pass WP:PORNBIO and the Tranny Awards count for nothing for Sarina Valentina? Dwanyewest (talk) 17:52, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
When did the AVN Award for Best New Starlet become not a marker of notability?As the discussion of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Abella Danger is suggesting it would seem like there has been a rollback of policy? Why was this not discussed first? GuzzyG (talk) 12:07, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
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We're grateful to Mr.Z-man for his original Mr.Z-bot, and we wish his bot a happy robot retirement. Just as before, we hope the popular pages reports will aid you in understanding the reach of WikiProject Pornography, and what articles may be deserving of more attention. If you have any questions or concerns please contact us at m:User talk:Community Tech bot. Warm regards, the Community Tech Team 17:16, 17 May 2017 (UTC) Proposed merger of Cartoon pornography to Erotic animationThe article Cartoon pornography, which is tagged as part of this project, has been proposed for merger with Erotic animation. See Talk:Erotic animation#Merger for discussion. -Jason A. Quest (talk) 23:00, 5 June 2017 (UTC) Eva LoviaCould someone from this WikiProject take a look at Eva Lovia and assess it? It's recently created and filled with puffery and other POV content. I've tried to do a bit of general technical cleanup, but really am not very failiar with the style typically used in articlesa about adult film actors. Thanks in advance. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:59, 8 June 2017 (UTC) Is Danni Daniels notableIs Danni Daniels notable she did star in the film Peaches Does Herself here is a reference as proof [4]. Dwanyewest (talk) 02:59, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
Are these sources considered reliable?Which of the following, if any, does this WikiProject consider to be reliable sources for use in biographies of porn actors/actresses? I need this info to help settle a content dispute over a pornbio. Mjroots (talk) 18:13, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
If it helps to establish how good or bad the article was before it was turned into a redirect, This is the last version as an article. Reading the above comments, it seems that there are no major BLP issues, although referencing could be a bit better in places, e.g. Wikipedia cannot be used as a reference. The material referenced to xxxxbios would probably benefit from another source. Mjroots (talk) 05:01, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
Discussion about infobox at A Young Man's WorldI started the discussion about the infobox used at A Young Man's World. Join in discussion. --George Ho (talk) 22:02, 14 July 2017 (UTC) Nomination of Elijah Daniel for deletion A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Elijah Daniel is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted. The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Elijah Daniel (2nd nomination) until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines. Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Sagecandor (talk) 04:22, 18 July 2017 (UTC) AfDThe Lana Rhoades article has been nominated for keeping or redirecting. Mjroots (talk) 07:12, 11 July 2017 (UTC) The Lana Rhoades article is delete! 6 votes for Keep and 5 for delete! What is going here!? This is Wikipedia or anti-porn wikipedis?--Tori Black is back (talk) 08:04, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
Crush fetish articleHi, all. Can we get some opinions on the current state of Crush fetish (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)? I started a discussion at Talk:Crush fetish#Recent expansions. A permalink for it is here. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 16:26, 8 September 2017 (UTC) Nomination for merging of Template:Infobox adult biography
Academic journal source: Porn StudiesI've created a new subsection "Academic journals" under "Useful links" > "Sources", and added Porn Studies as the first entry within this subsection. An article in this academic journal was instrumental in saving Mike Adriano from deletion (AfD 2017-11-27). Deletion advocates in that discussion disparaged Porn Studies as "a journal with negligible reach and citations" and as "a minor academic journal". These and all similar attempts at dismissal and marginalization are refuted by the journal's SCImago Journal Rank (SJR), available at its SJR page. These were documented in the AfD, but bear repeating here, especially since this highly visible project page has a higher level of consensus than any AfD discussion. The current SJR quartile rankings for Porn Studies are:
Not bad for a journal that began publication in 2014. Also, it can be seen from the journal's SJR page that these quartiles, and most other metrics, for Porn Studies have increased sharply from 2015 (when SJR began tracking it) to 2016. The existence of Porn Studies is a compelling reason to check Google Scholar for any pornography-related topic, however unscholarly that topic might appear at first glance. The real question is not whether this journal should be taken seriously. It's why the world had to wait until 2014 for a peer-reviewed academic journal devoted specifically to pornography studies. We in the 21st century like to believe we're beyond the inhibitions of the 1950s and the Victorian era, but we're not—not entirely. —Syrenka V (talk) 06:26, 8 December 2017 (UTC) Anna Bell Peaks, new articleHi. Hi. Sorry, I don't speak english very well and I was starts to edit recently. I create the article Sexy Hot Award. The same is proposed for deletion. Really the references are the award itself and the network of the channel. But exist a independent jury formed by directors and producers[5] that defines the winners for some categories and to other the winners is defines per audience votes on internet. Do you think this information can save the article? Actualy it is the only one current adult award in Brazil. Guilherme Burn (talk) 02:12, 2 March 2018 (UTC) Questioning the notabilityThese articles Viviane Brunieri, Carol Miranda and Júlia Paes about brazilian pornografic actress do not atempt WP: PORNBIO and WP: PORNSTAR. The person has won a well-known and significant industry award. Prizes in categories of sets and sets are excluded from consideration.
The person made unique contributions to a specific pornographic genre, such as the beginning of a trend in pornography; starring an iconic, innovative or blockbuster feature; or be a member of an industry hall of fame, such as the AVN Hall of Fame, XRCO Hall of Fame or equivalent.
The person has appeared several times in notable conventional media.
I propose one discussion to delete these articles. Guilherme Burn (talk) 13:39, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
Brunieari has been deleted. Now let's dicuss Miranda. Guilherme Burn (talk) 13:37, 21 March 2018 (UTC) Internet Adult Film Database templatesI have two questions about the Internet Adult Film Database templates. There is an ambiguity with the properties attached to this template in Wikidata, IAFD male performer ID (P4505) and IAFD female performer ID (P3869), the correct one would be to only exist an "IAFD person ID" as like Adult Film Database person ID (P3351) . I believe that this ambiguity occurred because of the second parameter gender. It was mistaken for a secondary ID, in fact it is just a layout parameter for the IAFD site. All links below point to the same element on the IAFD site.
Despite differing studio and distributor, apparently the IAFD uses the same ID for both. It would be the case to unite the two templates {{IAFD distributor}} and {{IAFD studio}}?. Which should prevail? Guilherme Burn (talk) 12:00, 10 April 2018 (UTC) WeKinglyPigsSomeone's been deleting references and/or info sourced from WeKinglyPigs.com. I noticed it in List of Playboy Playmates of 2005, it might be happening in many other articles too. One comment claims it to be an user generated fan page, I don't know if it is or isn't. 91.154.188.185 (talk) 02:34, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
Height and weight?Would height and weight be considered useful information for a porn actress's infobox? Obviously it would be for a wrestler and not for a banker, and I thought it would be for a porn actress, but apparently there is disagreement. This came up at Talk:Stormy Daniels. Kendall-K1 (talk) 23:21, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
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DelsrtingI am turning in RN, so could someone work with Enterprisey on adding this to Delsort? On many PORNBIO AFDs I see that this mentioned, but it is not in the regular listings. Thx Thanks, L3X1 ◊distænt write◊ 02:17, 24 July 2018 (UTC) Portal:Pornography move and updateHi. I moved the Portal:Pornography to Portal:Erotica and Pornography that seemed to be the original idea of the portal and encompasses broader concepts than simple commercial pornography. I invite you to comment here. Thanks.Guilherme Burn (talk) 12:00, 11 September 2018 (UTC) Blacked website should it have an article?Should Blacked.com the website created by Greg Lansky exist as a website I would like some opinions. Dwanyewest (talk) 18:07, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
I meant as an article sorry I was not clear in expressing what I meant. Featured quality source review RFCEditors in this WikiProject may be interested in the featured quality source review RFC that has been ongoing. It would change the featured article candidate process (FAC) so that source reviews would need to occur prior to any other reviews for FAC. Your comments are appreciated. --IznoRepeat (talk) 21:46, 11 November 2018 (UTC) This article has at least one significant inaccuracy. It states that "(after 1973) Production was concentrated in New York City". This is not really true. There were two locations where porn movies were mainly made in the USA in the 1970s - New York and San Francisco. The San Francisco/Bay Area scene was every bit as large as the New York scene, in fact it was probably bigger. Indeed many of the movies listed as being "films of the period" were a product of the San Francisco scene as were a great many of the performers listed and a couple of the producers. Also, the lists themselves have many significant omissions. Where are, for example, Femmes de Sade, Babyface, Sex World and Ecstasy Girls in the "films of the period" list? Where are Leslee Bovee, Sharon Thorpe, Desiree West, Linda Wong and Serena, to name just a few missing SF performers, in the list of performers? Why no mention of Spinelli/Sam Weston in the "producers"? GoldAgeGuy (talk) 20:05, 12 November 2018 (UTC) Outline of the WikiprojectAnyone who wants to help build the outline about the project. Draft:Outline of erotica and pornography Guilherme Burn (talk) 13:52, 19 November 2018 (UTC) Is being a hall of famer notable?Is Sara Jay notable for being an AVN hall of Fame winner. Dwanyewest (talk) 21:42, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
Combined with other accomplishments it should be... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Sara_Jay. At a loss to understand why her page doesn't qualify Ilovepitts (talk) 13:07, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
Porn tropesIs there an article on common porn tropes and porn stock characters? (ie. pizza guy, pool boy, gardener; not having enough money to pay for something, getting out of a ticket; what "Debbie" refers to, ... ) -- 70.51.201.106 (talk) 07:28, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
RFC on nude photos in Going commandoPlease participate in RFC on nude photos in Going commando. Thank you. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 07:20, 28 January 2019 (UTC) Requested move 16 January 2019
The result of the move request was: Not moved. Consensus is against moving this project as proposed. (non-admin closure) В²C ☎ 18:48, 1 February 2019 (UTC) Wikipedia:WikiProject Pornography → Wikipedia:WikiProject Erotica and Pornography – As discussed HERE, I believe that the project loses a lot by focusing only on pornography, and ignoring erotic art. The distinction between pornography and erotica is largely subjective and reflects societies standards. [6] The scope of the wikiproject was originally biographies of pornstars and was expanded to pornography in general. I believe now is the time for a new expansion of scope. Guilherme Burn (talk) 15:42, 16 January 2019 (UTC)--Relisted. –Ammarpad (talk) 13:23, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
Update wikiproject page@Epbr123, WikiLeon, Art javier, Chewyrunt, Correogsk, Deisenbe, Guy1890, Iamcuriousblue, Lighthead, Morbidthoughts, Sephiroth storm, Tim1965, TomCat4680, Vanellaphantom04, Zonafan39, Tutelary, and CAPTAIN RAJU: Hi members of the project, I believe that project need a update. There is a lot of outdated stuff. Compare the current page with that of ten years ago. [7] Initially I believe the "Structure for porn biographies" section should be deleted. I do not see the need for a specific structure for biography of porn actors, for example {{Infobox adult biography}} do not exist anymore. The scope of the project focuses heavily on biographies of actors and actresses, who are already treated by other projects such as Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography and Wikipedia:WikiProject Sexology and sexuality/Sex work task force and ignores much of history of pornography, companies and all erotic art.Guilherme Burn (talk) 00:55, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
I agree, it would be helpful to update a number of parameters, I think that the infobox should have not been removed for example, and also Tim1965 is absolutely right, pages worked on in the are of Pornography are continuously nominated for deletion regardless of how meticulous and cited the work is, please LMK what everyone's thoughts are and how I can help. Art javier (talk) 08:47, 4 February 2019 (UTC) Request for Comment - What categories of an adult award are notorious?Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Awards#What categories of an adult award are notorious?Guilherme Burn (talk) 16:03, 16 February 2019 (UTC) RFC on WP:PORNBIOHi, there is an RFC on scrapping the Pornbio notabilty guideline (SNG) taking place at Wikipedia talk:Notability (people) Atlantic306 (talk) 23:18, 23 February 2019 (UTC) Discussion of the Internet Adult Film Database (IAFD) on the reliable sources noticeboardThere is a discussion of the reliability of the Internet Adult Film Database (IAFD) on the reliable sources noticeboard. If you're interested, please participate at WP:RSN § IAFD.COM. — Newslinger talk 22:30, 4 April 2019 (UTC) A new newsletter directory is out!A new Newsletter directory has been created to replace the old, out-of-date one. If your WikiProject and its taskforces have newsletters (even inactive ones), or if you know of a missing newsletter (including from sister projects like WikiSpecies), please include it in the directory! The template can be a bit tricky, so if you need help, just post the newsletter on the template's talk page and someone will add it for you.
There is a dispute about the non-free files used on the page. The dispute is over whether one of the files needs to be the complete video or if a single frame from this video sufficiently illustrates the given points. There is also a smaller point about whether or not both non-free images are needed and/or justified. The discussion currently involves two editors, myself and the file's uploader, so more input is needed. The discussion is at Talk:Overwatch and pornography#Animated video again. ~Cheers, TenTonParasol 20:30, 26 April 2019 (UTC) Rule 34 imageThere is a discussion at Talk:Rule 34 (Internet meme) about what image, if any, should be inlcuded on the page. — BillHPike (talk, contribs) 03:23, 28 June 2019 (UTC) "Adult performer"@Sangdeboeuf: Hi there, re: this change, while I agree with your point that "porn star" is slang, "adult performer" is vague, since it could be used to describe any adult in the performing arts, but it is also euphemistic speech, which I think we should avoid. "Porn actor" or to a lesser degree "porn performer" seem to be better options to me. Regards, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 02:16, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
I'll just note here that the name of this project is Wikipedia:WikiProject Pornography, not Wikipedia:WikiProject Porn. However, "adult performer" has now been changed to simply "performer", which hopefully avoids the issue altogether. (While that term can also be vague, the meaning should be clear in context.) —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 22:14, 15 August 2019 (UTC) RfC StoyaA notice that there is a Request for Comment at Talk:Stoya about including her name in her article when there is a dispute to what it actually is. Morbidthoughts (talk) 22:19, 31 August 2019 (UTC) Request for information on WP1.0 web toolHello and greetings from the maintainers of the WP 1.0 Bot! As you may or may not know, we are currently involved in an overhaul of the bot, in order to make it more modern and maintainable. As part of this process, we will be rewriting the web tool that is part of the project. You might have noticed this tool if you click through the links on the project assessment summary tables. We'd like to collect information on how the current tool is used by....you! How do you yourself and the other maintainers of your project use the web tool? Which of its features do you need? How frequently do you use these features? And what features is the tool missing that would be useful to you? We have collected all of these questions at this Google form where you can leave your response. Walkerma (talk) 04:24, 27 October 2019 (UTC) Shock Site PageHello! I have been revising the Shock Site page as previously there was very little information about it. I integrated the old information into the sections I added about History, Legality, Morality and Media when I first revised the page. Would anyone be willing/able to look at the site and make recommendations of any more changes to make? Additionally, another user asked to add back the original information at the end under "Examples", which means the information is now duplicated. I am considering removing it from the other sections, but that means the Media section will likely have to be removed as there will be little information and leaving BestGore out of the History section feels like missing part of the story (so to speak). Do you have any advice on what I should do? -Bcstanley1 (talk) 04:58, 12 November 2019 (UTC) Renaming discussion for "List of male performers in gay porn films" articleI have suggested that the article List of male performers in gay porn films be changed to List of male performers in gay pornographic films. Porn is slang and Wikipedia generally uses the term "pornography" for categories and articles, as it does with the main gay pornography article. Adding notice here to alert editors. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 03:02, 13 November 2019 (UTC) AfC draft submitted of interest to this projectFYI - Draft:Muslim porn stars has been submitted to Articles for Creation, in case someone wants to take a gander. Missvain (talk) 00:47, 19 January 2020 (UTC) WP:PORNBIO under discussion at Wikipedia talk:Notability (people)The deprecated WP:PORNBIO SNG is under discussion at Wikipedia talk:Notability (people)#Documenting history of WP:PORNBIO deprecation in this policy. Editors have disputed porn performers being evaluated per WP:ENT. • Gene93k (talk) 00:50, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
Pornhub InsightsOn WP:RS/N#pornhub.com/insights an editor suggested to propose the Pornhub Insights for the #Industry/trade sources on your project page.
is this deletion material ?Hallo, I tried to improve this bio but I can't find much on internet. He definitely was a pretty known gay porn actor but I can't find anything to source this and at the moment there is only one source, plus is he notable and why (WP:ENT, WP:GNG, WP:ANYBIO) ? please check it out: Zak Spears --AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 18:14, 16 April 2020 (UTC) Awards table layoutHi, On all pornography actors/actress's articles the award table layout is like this whereas on non-porno ones they're like this, On all non-porno actors'actresses the result is always before the Refs. whereas on all porno ones they're next to the year,
RFC on pornographic awards table
Consensus is that the adjustments below should be made to all pornographic actors/actresses tables. There is no consensus to implement Koavf's changes however Koavf or anyone else are welcome to do this (or start a separate RFC elsewhere on it), Thanks, –Davey2010Talk 13:24, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
Hi, On all pornographic actresses/actors awards - Should the table layout be changed so that they look the same as non-pornographic BLP awards tables? Porn actor award
Actress/Singer award table
Thanks, –Davey2010Talk 11:14, 18 May 2020 (UTC) !votes
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
RFC on Zak SmithThere is a current RFC on Zak Smith that the project may be interested in weighing in. [8] Morbidthoughts (talk) 21:21, 5 July 2020 (UTC) I just recreated an article twice deleted before. I hope I am within Wikipedia guidelines with the article. I also would very glad if you guys could take a look at the article, advice, and lend a hand if possible. Thank you. Aditya(talk • contribs) 15:29, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
Noticeboard discussion on reliability of TheSword.com interviewThere is a noticeboard discussion on the reliability of an interview with Erik Rhodes on TheSword.com. If you are interested, please participate at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard § The Sword. — Newslinger talk 16:20, 17 September 2020 (UTC) BeegThere's a tiny little disambiguation page at Beeg that attracts more pageviews than almost any other I've seen – they're somewhat erratic, but always in the hundreds [9]. I suspect most of this is coming from people looking not for the Dutch village or any of the other obscure topics, but for the porn website beeg.com. Do you think the website could be notable? – Uanfala (talk) 22:05, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
Nomination of Alexis Texas for deletionA discussion is taking place as to whether the article Alexis Texas is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted. The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alexis Texas (2nd nomination) until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines. Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Right cite (talk) 05:27, 22 October 2020 (UTC) New improved article Aroused (film)I researched and improved the page Aroused (film) - let me know if you want to help out with further research, thank you! Right cite (talk) 03:40, 2 November 2020 (UTC) Category:XBIZ Award winners has been nominated for deletionCategory:XBIZ Award winners has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Right cite (talk) 17:26, 5 November 2020 (UTC) Category:AVN Award winners has been nominated for deletionCategory:AVN Award winners has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Right cite (talk) 17:26, 5 November 2020 (UTC) Nomination of George Payne (actor) for deletionA discussion is taking place as to whether the article George Payne (actor) is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted. The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/George Payne (actor) until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines. Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Right cite (talk) 15:56, 15 November 2020 (UTC) Are the people notable?Is Alexis Fawx, Aubrey Kate notable as they are both AVN winners. Also Gianna Michaels and Sara Jay are in the AVN hall of fame , do you think they should have articles? Dwanyewest (talk) 05:16, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
WP:SKYISBLUE -- When screen name is obvious parody or modification of famous name or thing, indicate that?A lot of names for the subjects of porn articles are obvious parodies or variants of celebrity names or of otherwise well-known names. E.g. "Mary Carey" is derived from Mariah Carey. I think it would be beneficial to spell out the joke in such cases, both as information in the porn articles and to reduce confusion for people who mis-spell the better known name. WP:SKYISBLUE seems to overcome the lack of explicit sourcing for such statements, though there are probably references to the general phenomenon of porn names being derived from names of well known people, places and things. 73.89.25.252 (talk) 20:12, 6 November 2020 (UTC) Aroused peer reviewI've put the good article on the documentary film Aroused (film) for peer review at Wikipedia:Peer review/Aroused (film)/archive1. Feedback to help improve its quality further would be appreciated, thank you, Right cite (talk) 14:20, 17 November 2020 (UTC) Embarrassed naked femaleThere is a discussion happening about the Embarrassed naked female and Embarrassed nude female redirects at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 February 26#Embarrassed naked female. One suggestion is to write an article about the topic. Comments from those who are experienced at finding useful sources among all the hits for porn sites would be especially welcome. Please contribute there to keep discussion in one place. Thryduulf (talk) 00:13, 26 February 2021 (UTC) Comparison of camming sitesThere currently isn't any Comparison of camming sites article. Would it be possible to have someone take on creation of that article ? In particular, I think it's useful to have an article focusing on benefits of blockchain technology on those sites (anonimity, privacy, security) mainly from the cam artists perspective towards the customer (but obviously not towards the company, as they need all data of their artists). Besides that, it is interesting to also look at major policy differences between the sites (ie policy decisions affecting anonimity, ie are artists allowed to wear a veil ?) and the amount of revenue (in %) taken by those camming companies (and list them) in the table. On Webcam_model#Hosting_websites it is mentioned that blockchain tech allows the artists to have less expenses and thus have a lower % taken by those companies. However, although theoretically possible I doubt whether in real life that is also really the case. Also list the size of the company (userbase), whether tipping is allowed and how (via intimate tokens ?, ...), target audience/types of people (like gay, lesbian, asian, ...), ... These can be sources:
There are already some major camming sites mentioned (and pages have been made for them) on the List_of_chat_websites so that can be easily copied over to the new article and a simple shortlist can quickly be made. After that, also integrate the Live Stars and SpankChain sites (and perhaps make a page on them) --Genetics4good (talk) 12:19, 14 May 2021 (UTC) Pornographic FilmsIt has come to my attention that a large proportion of wikipedia articles on pornographic films especially those in the category "american pornographic films" do not meet Wikipedia's notability requirement for films. As such I am going to begin to PROD These articles. Thanks Goldenbeef (talk) 05:56, 18 June 2021 (UTC) Discussion at Talk:James Deen § Allegations
English Wikipedia criteria too strict?The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. I think we should look into whether the English language Wikipedia's criteria for BLPs in regards to people in the industry are too strict in so far as deleting pages. In the English-speaking world pornography is largely quite a taboo topic so it’s expected that pornographic actors generally get little coverage in reliable mainstream publications. However, I don't think this justifies their pages being deleted. We must look at the person in the context of the industry. The industry is a major one and I think if there is good coverage of the person from large and reliable pornographic publications like AVN, but little to none in mainstream publications, that shouldn't necessarily mean their page is deleted. I have noticed there are many major performers in the industry that have multiple Wikipedia pages in a variety of languages but many miss out on English pages. Take ES:Madison Ivy or ES:Sophie Dee for example who have a page on 12 and 17 different Wikipedia language pages respectively but are deemed not notable enough/not meeting criteria on the English language Wikipedia. Why have all these languages deemed the person notable, yet the English Wikipedia seems to stand as an outlier denying them a page? The industry is a legitimate profession and I think that its taboo in English speaking languages is causing bias in regards to people asking too much of performers in terms of sources and criteria for them to have a page on the English language Wikipedia. I think we should look into the rules of other language Wikipedia's and see how they differ and what we can learn from them. Editor’s feedback would be much appreciated, especially those that edit other language Wikipedia pages. If you think this discussion should take place elsewhere, please direct me to the right place to post this message for the most feedback possible from other editors. Thanks. Helper201 (talk) 20:46, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Ramón NomarCould someone take a look at the page for Ramón Nomar? There are numerous footnotes that use cites to archive.is instead of the actual web cites. Kaltenmeyer (talk) 21:29, 24 January 2022 (UTC) "Porn Project" listed at Redirects for discussion
User script to detect unreliable sourcesI have (with the help of others) made a small user script to detect and highlight various links to unreliable sources and predatory journals. Some of you may already be familiar with it, given it is currently the 39th most imported script on Wikipedia. The idea is that it takes something like
and turns it into something like
It will work on a variety of links, including those from {{cite web}}, {{cite journal}} and {{doi}}. The script is mostly based on WP:RSPSOURCES, WP:NPPSG and WP:CITEWATCH and a good dose of common sense. I'm always expanding coverage and tweaking the script's logic, so general feedback and suggestions to expand coverage to other unreliable sources are always welcomed. Do note that this is not a script to be mindlessly used, and several caveats apply. Details and instructions are available at User:Headbomb/unreliable. Questions, comments and requests can be made at User talk:Headbomb/unreliable. This is a one time notice and can't be unsubscribed from. Delivered by: MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:02, 29 April 2022 (UTC) Where can I find reliable sources to prove the notability of Japanese pornstars?The Japanese Wikipedia have many JAV stars articles, but also many of them don't have any sources when you look in the articles. I try searching for reliable sources to prove the notability before translating them to other Wikipedia sites, but I failed. I checked the source chapter here but most are for Western porn, not for JAV. The only one for JAV is AV-open.jp but the website is down. --dqwyy (talk) 04:54, 14 April 2022 (UTC) Maybe you can look at FANZA News or buy the digital copy of Monthly FANZA and other magazines, but I am not sure if they fit the WP:RS standard since many of the Japanese socures do not list the names of staff or they just using nicknames, even in widely respected sources. I involved in a similar discussion before (for reference).--So47009 (talk) 14:01, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
TramplingOpinions are welcome at Talk:Trampling (sexual practice)#Separate article or not?. – Uanfala (talk) 13:33, 5 June 2022 (UTC) Knave and Fiesta magazines: defunct?Have the venerable British softcore porn magazines Knave and Fiesta ceased publishing? I can't find any sign of recent publication of either, nor any mention of it in WP:RS. Presumably the Audit Bureau of Circulation ( https://www.abc.org.uk/ ) or similar will have some record of this? An issue of Fiesta was published in 2020, according to their Twitter account, but I can't see anything after that. The magazine's website stopped working some time after that. This magazine collector's site suggests the final issue was Volume 54, number 4, in 2020. Knave seems to have been publishing as late as 2015, and their website shut down around the same time. Their twitter account last posted in 2014. The same magazine collector's site seems to suggest the last issue was Volume 47, number 4, in July 2015. Any thoughts? — The Anome (talk) 12:07, 18 June 2022 (UTC) Private magazineDoes Private magazine have an ISSN or OCLC number? It would seem odd that such a widely-published magazine would not have these identifiers assigned, regardless of genre. — The Anome (talk) 09:57, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
Rustler and Raider magazinesI've nearly completed a series of articles on British top-shelf pornography. The Gold Star Publications article needs some more filling in, and articles to be created on Raider (magazine) and Rustler (magazine)s, and I think that finishes it. See Template:British pornography for an overview of the overall subject. Any help would be welcomed. — The Anome (talk) 09:04, 4 July 2022 (UTC) I have nominated Antonella Alonso for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Antonella Alonso. Please see the discussion there. BD2412 T 16:45, 14 July 2022 (UTC) UpdateTwo updates are long overdue: 1.The section "Requests" names Helen Baldwin, Rachel Garley, Jasmine Jae, Holly Hendrix, Sara Luvv, Vaniity, Vicki Richter, Eva Lin, Aubrey Kate and Chanel Santini. If somebody dares to create an article on them, keep stopper at hand. Probably your article would break the record for the most speedy deletion. 2. The section "Pornographic film awards" still says that a "page containing the winners and nominees of some notable adult industry awards" is "particularly useful for determining whether a performer meets the award-related notability criteria within WP:PORNBIO." The update version should say: No matter what awards, no performer would meet the notability criteria within WP:PORNBIO."--Maxaxa (talk) 22:10, 25 September 2022 (UTC) One of your project's articles has been selected for improvement!
Image problem with File:MPAA_X_RATING.svgSomeone by the name of Locke Cole has vandalized the X_rating page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_rating replacing the true MPAA X symbol with his own "custom vector" file, simply because he wants to be famous and/or thinks it looks better. Please ban this user and replace it with the old and correct file "X_MPAA.png", which can be found here: https://web.archive.org/web/20221011201258/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_rating#/media/File:X_MPAA.png The correctness of this file can be verified by the very links Mr. Cole has cited: https://fffmovieposters.com/wp-content/uploads/76993.jpg http://www.impawards.com/1987/posters/devil_in_the_flesh_xxlg.jpg You can see that the true MPAA X symbol has much wider, flatter serifs, which Mr. Cole has conveniently removed to fit his own preferences. Such users are a pox on Wikipedia and must be eliminated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Faketakedump (talk • contribs) 05:58, 15 October 2022 (UTC) Did the earth run out of talent?
I have restored the previously deleted article on Adriana Chechik to Draft:Adriana Chechik pursuant to the recent news of Chechik's injury at TwitchCon, which I think may suffice to move the subject over the notability threshold. Please feel free to improve further. Cheers! BD2412 T 00:36, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
Following the discussion at Draft talk:Reya Sunshine, I have restored the deleted article on AVN co-host Abella to draft at Draft:Abella Danger. The article was deleted in December 2020; a search suggests numerous potential sources arising after that date. BD2412 T 20:47, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
Project-independent quality assessmentsQuality assessments by Wikipedia editors rate articles in terms of completeness, organization, prose quality, sourcing, etc. Most wikiprojects follow the general guidelines at Wikipedia:Content assessment, but some have specialized assessment guidelines. A recent Village pump proposal was approved and has been implemented to add a No action is required if your wikiproject follows the standard assessment approach. Over time, quality assessments will be migrated up to {{WikiProject banner shell}}, and your project banner will automatically "inherit" any changes to the general assessments for the purpose of assigning categories. However, if your project has decided to "opt out" and follow a non-standard quality assessment approach, all you have to do is modify your wikiproject banner template to pass {{WPBannerMeta}} a new I have restored this previously deleted subject to draft due to her subsequent starring role in the 2022 Puerto Rican mainstream film, Los Foodtruckeros. If additional coverage of that film develops, or further roles along those lines develop, then the article likely may be restored to mainspace. BD2412 T 03:55, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
I just drafted an article on Reya Sunshine after her selection to host the AVN Awards in 2023 to to Draft: Reya Sunshine. I submitted it for approval today, which THEN led me to discover this page, so any feedback or suggestions for improvement would be welcome! One of the main things I was trying to draw out in terms of notability was how she has almost exclusively self-produced her content throughout her career, and yet has still managed to reach a degree of name recognition comparable to some of the biggest actors as the major porn studios. Thanks again!! T Ajax0714 (talk) 01:35, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
Thank for the feedback- I'll see what I can do!! Ajax0714 (talk) 02:14, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
The article on John Jesnor Lindsay is in need of a rewrite, sourcing, and possibly reclasified as a stub. I found the original to contain lots of opinion and review rather than objective biography. Ktkvtsh (talk) 06:38, 31 July 2023 (UTC) Credibility botAs this is a highly active WikiProject, I would like to introduce you to Credibility bot. This is a bot that makes it easier to track source usage across articles through automated reports and alerts. We piloted this approach at Wikipedia:Vaccine safety and we want to offer it to any subject area or domain. We need your support to demonstrate demand for this toolkit. If you have a desire for this functionality, or would like to leave other feedback, please endorse the tool or comment at WP:CREDBOT. Thanks! Harej (talk) 17:30, 5 August 2023 (UTC) What about this personIs Brittney Kade notable enough for a wikipedia article? Meet the teenage boy bullied out of school whose confidence has soared since becoming a glamorous woman - World News - Mirror Online , Transgender teen Brandon Morrison, bullied at school now hopes to become a model | Metro News , 'I've won awards for being an adult star – but my family have disowned me' - Daily Star Dwanyewest (talk) 08:43, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
I have nominated List of Penthouse Pets for deletion.See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Penthouse Pets. Cheers! BD2412 T 18:22, 11 November 2023 (UTC) Update: Now that the list has been deleted, a large number of redlinks have been created from names of individuals who were previously on the list: *Aidra Fox *Aimee Sweet *Alexis Ford *Breanne Benson *Celeste Star *Chris De May *Dahlia Gray/Dahlia Grey *Dina Juwel *Divina Celeste *Emily Addison *Erica Rose Campbell/Erica Campbell (model) *Evelyn Treacher *Gina La Marca/Gina LaMarca *Giselle Palmer *Hanna Harper *Hanna Hilton/Hannah Hilton *Hannah Harper *Jami Dion *Jamie Lynn (porn star) *Jana Cova/Yana Cova/Jana Kova *Jenna Sativa *Jennifer Jurse *Jesse Capelli *Juliet Cariaga *Katherine Mannering *Lexi Belle *Lexus Locklear *Lexxi Tyler *Maria Menendez *Mariwin Roberts *Martina Warren *Michelle Ramos *Paula Ann Wood *Phoenix Marie *Presley Hart *Renee Diaz *Renee Perez *Riley Nixon *Ryan Keely *Tamara Santerra *Taylor Vixen *Teagan Presley *Teanna Kai/Teanara Kai *Victoria Lynn Johnson *Whitney Westgate Most of these were previously articles that were deleted many years ago, and then redirected. I bring these here in case there are any names on the list that can presently sustain an article. BD2412 T 01:53, 5 December 2023 (UTC) I am suggesting a new section for the LiveJasmin pageI am seeking guidance on the appropriateness and any suggestions for improvement/editing on the following proposed section: Talk:LiveJasmin#Latest_proposed_"Controversy"_section_after_a_number_of_suggestions Alexfotios (talk) 16:35, 2 April 2024 (UTC) Review neededIts been 45 days after the adjustment correction of the draft article Draft:Ebony Goddess Mystique. Meligirl5 (talk) 16:02, 6 April 2024 (UTC) Requested move at Talk:Legal status of fictional pornography depicting minors#Requested move 20 March 2024 There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Legal status of fictional pornography depicting minors#Requested move 20 March 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. – robertsky (talk) 11:25, 7 April 2024 (UTC) Is it worthy making an article?Is it worth making Rocky Emerson and Brittney Kade as articles? Dwanyewest (talk) 05:00, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
Notability criteria for actor/actress porn[13][14][15] Appealing to WP:NOTABILITY, these three biographies taken as an example which are in all the major encyclopedias Wiki linguistically edition except here, give me food for thought on the fact that biographies relating to porn have too severe cancellation problems. These three biography are widely relevant and important and notable. This makes me understand that a discussion is needed to unequivocally define whoever has been nominated for AVN Awards (who was universally definitely the "Oscar of Porn"), XBIZ (like as "Golden Globe of Porn") or XRCO, as notable and relevant and can have a page on this wiki. They have reached the highest level of notability in their reference sector. Therefore it must be written clearly that whoever is a candidate for these events is unequivocally notable for a pagine in Wikipedia. 5.91.118.61 (talk) 11:34, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
Phoenix MarieIs Phoenix Marie now worthy of a Wikipedia article? Here are some sources Phoenix Marie Reflects on Career Milestones, Staying Power - XBIZ.com , Twenty Questions with Porn Superstar Phoenix Marie - Fleshbot , 2015 Adult Expo Interview: Phoenix Marie - Pornstar Interviews (adultdvdtalk.com) , Coolio Told Us About the Racists Who Tried to Stop His Pornhub Music Video Shoot (vice.com) , 10 Porn Stars Tell The Story Of How They Lost Their Virginity | HuffPost UK Weird News (huffingtonpost.co.uk) and is also AVN Awards , NightMoves Award, XBIZ Awards, Urban X Awards , XRCO Award, are awards Phoenix Marie has won. Dwanyewest (talk) 00:24, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
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