Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Music/Archive 5
Talk page templateIs there one? I can't seem to find anything general, nor for the Musical Instruments subproject, only those massive lists of other instruments that go in the article itself. -Bbik 03:19, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
Membership?Can I join the project? I wasn't sure where to ask or what to do. Thanks, thesublime514 (Talk) 00:57, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
Categorization for solo artistsHow do we normally deal with categorization for artists who did work with a band and solo? I'm looking at Category:No Doubt, and it seems to me that Category:Gwen Stefani should be a subcategory. On top of that Category:No Doubt songs is a subcategory of Category:Gwen Stefani songs. Category:Paul McCartney is set up completely differently, and it includes Category:Wings (of which it is also a subcategory) but not Category:The Beatles. What is the general consensus/convention on how this should be handled? ShadowHalo 04:21, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
Hi, could someone provide an extra opinion here? An editor keeps insisting on removing certain bands citing they are not doom becuase one website doesn't mention them as such, despite multiple other websites asserting they are (and being provided for him). He has no consensus, has extremely weak arguments (I don't say they are doom, so they must go. This website makes no mention of them at all, so they must go.) and continues to revert edits despite policies and sources supporting keeping the bands on the list. DarkSaber2k 11:12, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
Musical Instrument Makers - Is there a WikiProject that covers them?Hello all... I was wondering if there's a WikiProject that covers musical instrument makers. If so, what is it? If not, is there an existing WikiProject that could be expanded? thanks! -RobbyPrather (talk) 03:45, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
Lists of worksThere has been an ongoing effort at AfD (articles for deletion) to delete or merge lists of works or bibliographies of authors. If you have an interest in this topic, please join the discussion here. The outcome will inevitably effect many editors of this project. Also, please post this alert anywhere you think it might apply. Thanks. Awadewit Talk 07:37, 17 May 2007 (UTC) Professional Reviews?I'm not sure if this has been discussed or if you could point me to a discussion on Professional Reviews on album pages, but I was wondering why they were included as part of Wikipedia since they are opinion pieces and don't use the unbiased "Neutral Point of View". This is one of the few places I've seen on Wikipedia that has any articles linked to something that's pure opinion. Thoughts or is there a discussion elsewhere? In addition, is there an outline that expresses what exactly a "professional review" is? Thank you. Vacantlips 19:15, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
SalesAs a non-member of this WikiProject I have a suggestion for a new standard for music related articles. Can we please require a source for album sales and certification and to otherwise have a {{Citation needed}} placed with it? FAR too much do I see editors come on here and boost the sales of their favorite artists or lower the sales of artists they don't like. It has reached near epidemic proportions. This also leads to the problem of having an article on the artist say one thing and the actual album's article saying another. --Ted87 21:36, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
Discussion on eliminating Category:(Nationality) (instrument) by genre from the categorization guidelinesFor those interested in how musicians are classified, but who do not have the WikiProject Musicians/Categorization talk page on your watch list, I have started a discussion here about whether we need the category level of Category:American pianists by genre, etc, and I would appreciate views being expressed (at that location, of course). My (possibly incomplete) list of categories that would be upmerged if the guidelines change as I suggest is here. Bencherlite 22:06, 29 May 2007 (UTC) Time to replace Infobox Guitarist?There have been a growing number of Wikipedians questioning the need for a separate infobox for guitarists. The {{Guitarist infobox}} was created by Wikipedia:WikiProject Guitarists, and it easily survived a deletion nomination back in September of last year, but that was before {{Infobox musical artist}} (which is supported by Wikipedia:WikiProject Musicians) became a widely accepted standard. Both infoboxes are currently endorsed by Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography, but recent discussions between some members of the Guitarist and Musician Wikiprojects have concluded that it may be time to deprecate the guitarist infobox, and start replacing it. (Unfortunately, this is not a task for bots, and will have to be done manually.) Before making any final decision on the matter, we would like to get feedback from the broader community, so I am posting this notice to several Wikiprojects which may be affected. Comments should be posted to Template talk:Guitarist infobox. If you have strong feelings about this infobox, one way or the other, please feel free to let us know. Thanks, Xtifr tälk 12:18, 1 June 2007 (UTC) ISO codesDoes anyone have any views (or experience) in eragrd to adding:
to articles about musical recordings, sheet music or works, in the same way that we use the corresponding ISBN for books? Andy Mabbett 15:58, 7 June 2007 (UTC) AfD for 26 "List of songs by topics"There does not seem to be any participation from this project at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of songs about weather, which is actually an AfD about a long list of such lists. If you are interested, please come and look at the nomination and weigh in. There seem to be several, perhaps many, users who believe that all List of songs about a topic lists should be deleted. There are some that think that they should (almost) all be kept. And there's a range in the middle--previous arguments have frequently centered on whether the lists are maintainable or verifiable. Some have suggested keeping ones that could support an article (as I would support a list of protest songs in order to clean up the Protest song article). If any of you are interested, it might be good to have a clear guideline statement about such lists, either here or in the MoS, perhaps at Wikipedia:Lists (stand-alone lists).--Hjal 16:16, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
"Social Networking" LinksIs it appropriate to link a band's wikipedia article to their virb.com webpage, or something similar, if they don't have an official website? I couldn't find this issue specifically mentioned in the wikiproject: Music guidelines. Thanks --Tman930 00:40, 14 June 2007 (UTC) Music External LinksHey. John recommended coming to WikiProject Music for some help. Artists House is a free, nonprofit, and education-oriented site. All of its material was created exclusively for the site. I'd like to add some of the video interviews as external links to relevant Wikipedia pages. For example, I'd like to add a video interview with Teo Macero to the Bitches Brew page. Here is the interview. However, if you look at the site, you can see that there are a lot of videos that would be extremely relevant to a lot of pages. Would this be something WikiProject Music would be interested in supporting? Ammosh11 21:40, 15 June 2007 (UTC) SongwritersI am confused for terminologies like songwriter, lyricist and composer. Since I am categorizing musicians, I would like to know: a) When someone is called songwriter? b) When a composer can be included to category:X songwriters? c) When a lyricist can be included to category:X songwriters? d) Do all the pop music composer belong to category:Songwriters?? I will appreciate if you help me.--KRBN 10:21, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
AfD for Compulsory Sampling LicenseThe article Compulsory Sampling License, which is relevant to this WikiProject, has been proposed for deletion, on the grounds that the article is primarily original research. The discussion can be found here: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Compulsory_Sampling_License. Please feel free to contribute to the discussion. Thanks, --EngineerScotty 18:51, 26 June 2007 (UTC) ReggaeCan we get Reggae into the genre list?LBCboyee 22:52, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
CFD noticePlease take notice of the following CFD nomination which is likely to be of interest to members of this wikiproject: Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2007_June_29#Categories_named_after_musicians_-_A Tim! 08:20, 30 June 2007 (UTC) some info about songs & albumsI want to find these: 1. Which song is #1? (in all countries and in the world) 2. Which song is #n (#2 or #3, ...) 3. How much selling does an album have? and like these.... In many albums' and singles' article in WP they are mentioned, but what's their reference? And how can I find these informations for article don't have it?--♥MehranVB♥ ☻talk | ☺mail 05:01, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
InvitationNew uncategorised category infoJust wanted to let you know a new category's been created relating to your project, Category:Uncategorised musical groups. Please refine or alter in whatever way would best suit your project. There's already a Uncategorised albums, so figured this would be along the same lines. Hope this helps. :) -Ebyabe 17:54, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
Timpani FARTimpani has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 04:30, 11 July 2007 (UTC) requesting help for musical articles in need of expansionI wonder if within this project there's a section in which help may be solicited to the community or the project members regarding articles in need of expansion. Rosa 02:22, 13 July 2007 (UTC) Track listings in discographiesI'm bringing the discussion here from Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Gwen Stefani discography/archive1. Basically, most of our discographies are formatted very differently. There's no real standard since up until a month ago, there were none featured to serve as a model and WP:MUSTARD doesn't cover discographies very thoroughly? There's some disagreement at the candidacy over whether or not track listings should be included. One reviewer refused to support without them, and another withdrew support when they were added using the {{hidden}} templates. This is really something that affects more than that list, so it'd be nice to see what the consensus is on including the track listings. And add that consensus to WP:MUSTARD since it currently only says that it "should be created using summary style," but not how to apply WP:SUMMARY to discographies. 17Drew 01:15, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
Separate discography articles are a necessary evil that should be avoided unless strictly required, IMO. How Billboard presents their information is irrelevant: we're an enyclopedia, not a music chart listing company. Anyway, of the several music sites I refer to on a regular basis, most do not include the track listings in the discography (e.g. [1]), although that's irrelevant for similar reasons. I dislike redundancy, so I dislike the notion of including the track listings in the discography, but not enough to say it should be forbidden. Just enough to say it should be discouraged. Especially for artists with several dozen albums. I would tend to oppose promoting a discography to FA status if it included song listings, but then I would tend to oppose promoting discographies to FA in general. In general, a featured discography makes about as much sense to me as a featured DAB page. :) Xtifr tälk 20:58, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
Heads up - Crowded HouseHey guys. I've just set up a new wikiproject for Crowded House.
Feel free to join if you feel you can contribute! --lincalinca 07:47, 14 July 2007 (UTC) International ChartsHi everyone! I would like to know where I can find the non-US or UK charts, as I am trying to save the Ray of Light GA and cannot find a sourcing for those. Any help is greatly appreciated. --SidiLemine 17:54, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
Lists of coversWhat should be done with lists of covers? (You know, the section of the article that grows exponentially if not carefully watched.) I consider them trivia, unless the cover itself is notable, perhaps like Alien Ant Farm's cover of Smooth Criminal (I'm just throwing it out there, not making a serious notability claim. The idea is that every techno remix of a 1960s pop song doesn't need to be listed in the original band's article). The specific article I'm working on is The Kinks, by the way.--Gimme danger 17:15, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
Succession chartsA member of WP:AUSMUS and I have been having a debate at Talk:Back to Bedlam about the relative merits of succession charts. Rather than get into an edit war in the article, I would appreciate it if a few editors with greater knowledge of the Music wikiproject could provide some insight into the current thinking on preferred practices in this regard. Risker 01:50, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
--The-G-Unit-Boss 19:19, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
Drumtar AfD input requestedI have nominated the Drumtar article for deletion. One of the participants in the discussion has suggested that the discussion would benefit from more input from people who are knowledgeable about music. So I mention it here in the interest of getting more input from the project members. Please visit the discussion to weigh in. Thank you. Nick Graves 23:58, 11 August 2007 (UTC) Expert review: Bedlam HourAs part of the Notability wikiproject, I am trying to sort out whether Bedlam Hour is notable enough for an own article. I would appreciate an expert opinion. For details, see the article's talk page. If you can spare some time, please add your comments there. Thanks! --B. Wolterding 13:57, 13 August 2007 (UTC) Quick reference work?Hey there. Music is not exactly my forte, so I'm asking here. Could anybody dig up a good reference about the use of the expression "dinosaur band" (apparently in punk rock parlance) for Cultural depictions of dinosaurs? (specifically the "Public perception of dinosaurs" section). Circeus 22:55, 15 August 2007 (UTC) Request for Comment: Merging/redirecting Electronic Music and Electronica articles
The above discussion has since been closed with clear consensus to keep the separate article title Electronica. --Parsifal Hello 19:21, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
Should Electronic dance music be renamed to Electronic Music (popular & dance)?
The above RFC discussion has been closed with consensus to keep the original page name of Electronic dance music. --Parsifal Hello 19:24, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
Please come and add to and to help fill in this table. Thanks: --Sadi Carnot 17:29, 20 August 2007 (UTC) Deletion sorting - Albums and songsI have created a new deletion sorting page at Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Albums and songs, which emerges from discussions here and here. --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 11:36, 25 August 2007 (UTC) (see 2004 in music) vs 2004Hey everyone in MP Music. Please don't consider me a rude imposter but having completed a few good article reviews of albums and singles, I've come to slightly resent the use of "(see...)" in the text of an article. Piped wikilinks seem to more than adequately cover for this, I was just wondering if the project had a feeling about this as I recently brought it up in my review of the excellent article Underneath It All. The Rambling Man 21:09, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
Fender WikiProject ProposalHi, I have proposed a WikiProject for the Fender company. If you are interested, please add you name here. Izzy007 Talk 23:21, 3 September 2007 (UTC) iTunes link in Infobox SongI propose that a link to iTunes is added to Infobox Song and Infobox Album, in a similar way that there is a link to IMDb in Infobox Television and Infobox Film. The reason being that a lot of people use iTunes, and if we have an IMDb link in the film templates, then I consider it a double standard not to have an iTunes link in the music templates. —Preceding unsigned comment added by GallifreyanPostman pwns you 20:31, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
Scope of projectIs the scope of the project defined somewhere, and if so, could someone give it a (more prominent) place on the project website? – Ilse@ 10:37, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
albumofthemonth.comNot sure where to post this, but as it is a music related site, I guess this is the right level. This morning a seemingly coordinated attack to add a large number of these links to wikipedia was performed by a significant number of accounts. This has resulted in first blacklisting on User:AntiSpamBot, later on Mediawiki:Spam-blacklist. Therefore, these links can not be inserted anymore (and they should be removed from the articles that still have the link). Editors involved in this project might want to have a say about the situation, I am giving some links here:
Hope to hear more. --Dirk Beetstra T C 14:32, 10 September 2007 (UTC) Concert names?So, I know that album names should be in italics, and song names in "quotes", but what about concert names? Should we use any special typographic conventions for names like "Woodstock" or "Lollapalooza" or "Not Too Big on the Head"? (Yes, that last is a real concert name.) What about named tours? Many bands give specific names to individual tours. Is there any specific way these should be marked? Should I take this question to the Manual of Style talk page? Xtifr tälk 07:29, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
Roger KamienPeople here may be interested in the ongoing AfD discussion of the article on the musicologist and performer Roger Kamien at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Roger Kamien DGG (talk) 05:17, 15 September 2007 (UTC) Problems with 156.x.x.xAnons in this range have been giving me problems - such as reverting my edits. Now, don't get me wrong, but I don't appreciate when anons undo the work I put into articles. It's just that there are times when I think only registered users should be allowed to edit. FMAFan1990 03:26, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
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