Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Music/Archive 4
Necessary Stub MissingI was bored this morning, so I decided to sit down and start doing some stub sorting. I started tackling the album stubs, because that category has gotten pretty messy. I've noticed that there are a lot of new age albums and children's albums that are left without an appropriate stub. For instance, Raffi's albums could fit into maybe Folk or Pop, but I really don't think that is really the best solution. Is there someone who is willing to go through the trouble of making album stubs for new age and children's music? Warhorus 16:58, 29 May 2006 (UTC) Delete all charts?Editors may be interested to learn that an attempt is being made to delete music charts from wikipedia as "unencyclopedic", see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2005 Oricon Top 100 Singles and related votes. Kappa 18:31, 6 January 2006 (UTC) does anyone want to help sort song stubs : )I wanted to have a look at world music songs, and found this mess, so I decided it would be a good idea to sort it (Category:Song stubs). I've made a start, and I hope to go through a letter a day, but I thought I might mention it here, in case anyone was looking for a cheap boost to their edit count and wanted to stub sort. Smmurphy(Talk) 09:02, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
Sound samplesI think there ought to be more organization and discussion about sound samples. I don't have time to lead such a thing, but someone should... A good place to start would be a dedicated subpage of an article's talk, in which the sound samples used are listed along with a explanation of why that particular song is the best illustration of something useful in the text. Any thoughts? (a good example to consider might be music of the United States, because it's a well-known topic with lots of samples that can be discussed, and because I'd like to nominate it for FAC soon) Tuf-Kat 05:04, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
Discographies with record labelsI have noticed in the discographies of some ambient musicians (namely Robert Rich and Steve Roach) that the record label is sometimes listed after the album title. How necessary is this information? My main concern is that if the label is not listed every time it could give the discography a cluttered or inconsistent look, especially since small labels are never likely to have articles dedicated to them. Justin Foote 20:36, 31 March 2006 (UTC) I'd like some guidance on where you think it's most appropriate to post links to streaming audio interviews with specific music artists. I posted a few within the External Links category. Is this the most appropriate location? Here's an example of a the types of interviews I'd like to post - *1983 Audio interview with Mick Jagger-discusses "Undercover" album Classic Rock Central Please advise. Thanks. 02:53, 17 January 2007 (UTC)Azipfel 02:53, 17 January 2007 (UTC) Templates of InstrumentsI thought of creating templates to put on all musical instrument pages, with links to all other musical instruments. I created "rough drafts" at:
What do you think? --Mets501talk 20:48, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
"is" versus "are," regarding band namesI can find several rules of grammar that state that band names that appear in plural forms (such as the Smashing Pumpkins), are singular entities. This means that such band names should be followed by the word "is," and not the word "are." I'm referring to such statements as, "Nine Inch Nails is an industrial rock band." I can find a few rules to support the opposite, but not many. I must state that this usage is American English, and not the British usage. The few bands that seem to commonly follow the British usage are British bands (in particular, the Beatles and the Stones). One of the few exceptions to the rules is when using the band name to refer to the individuals in it. For example, "in 1968, the Beatles went to studied under the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi." In any case, "are" should never follow the band name if the last word in the name is plural and it is not a collective term (such as Alice in Chains). The reason I bring this up is because someone has been making a concerted effort to switch all bands with plural sounding names to "are." I would like to see some guideline set up to settle the matter. What do you think? Should the band names be followed by "is" or "are"? Or should there be no guideline? I feel there should be a guideline to avoid edit wars, and that it should definitely be "is" (except when a case could be made for the British usage). Freekee 04:50, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
Greatest hits, Take 2So people are still citing the "no greatest hits albums unless notable" policy here. However, given how things are done in practice right now (what with the size of Category:Greatest hits albums, plus however many of these haven't been caught yet), this doesn't really seem enforceable. Not to mention that if you give people darkseagreen as a color on the list, you expect them to make thorough use of it. Of course, there are limits; compilations which were obviously tossed out by the record label, for example. I'm not really sure how to reliably make the distinction, though. On the other hand, I get the impression that people are generally pretty good about leaving out the cruft... Maybe some detailed case studies will help, but I think the rule as it stands right now is pretty much a dead rule. –Unint 23:08, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
Question: Bands singular or plural?What is the proper method for referring to a band? Would it be correct to say "Nirvana are a great band?" I didn't think so, but some articles seem to do this, or they do this: "Nirvana is a great band. They play great music." Certainly it should be "The White Stripes are a great band." ...right? Help! Aldous Hooplah 00:27, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
Naming conventionThere's been some discussion on the WP:NAME talk page about a possible tweak to the naming convention guideline. Your feedback is welcome. --Muchness 01:57, 6 April 2006 (UTC) Piped "Year in Music" links"Albums, bands and songs" #5 gives the guideline that you shouldn't pipe "year in music" links, the same as WP:PIPE. The entry concludes with this comment: In discography charts or other specialized forms, it is acceptable to use non-piped links to the year in music articles. I don't understand why discographies or specialzed forms would be mentioned specifically if it wasn't a typo, and should read that using piped links for such forms is acceptable. - dharmabum 20:05, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
Proposed song infoboxI'm proposing a new infobox for songs over at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Songs#Infoboxes. I guess fewer people are watching that page, but I'd like to get some more feedback on the infobox before thinking about implementing it. Please feel free to leave comments there. Flowerparty☀ 07:21, 16 April 2006 (UTC) Record labelsI'm getting a bit tired of finding articles about albums by British bands with only American record labels listed (and no note or explanation). Could we have a note somewhere that the primary record label should be the one in the country of origin? --kingboyk 03:10, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
Where to find data on recordingsSorry if this is FAQ and newbie, but where do you find authoritative information about recorded music? Is there a searchers' guide to this? For books there are big library catalogs such as the Library of Congress, for movies we have IMDb, but is the mediocre Allmusic.com really all we have for music? Don't the big libraries or archives collect and catalog recorded music? The British Library Sound Archive has a catalog of 3.5 million recordings (how many albums are there in Allmusic.com?), but they don't seem to separate the various artists known under the same name. Has anybody tried to digitize old sales catalogs and out-of-copyright music review magazines? --LA2 00:26, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
Music chartsSee talk:Mezmerize. I think we should have a list of links to music charts that would be appropriate to include an article. This is what some casual googling turned up for me. Tuf-Kat 22:55, Jun 13, 2005 (UTC) Please expand, clarify and correct this list:
Template:Infobox ChordI have proposed, at Template_talk:Infobox_Chord#From the root, that the infobox be modifed by adding a list of intervals from the root (I don't know how to do it myself) and would appreciate comments and assistance. Hyacinth 23:16, 29 April 2006 (UTC) Which infobox should I use for musical band?Currently there are three templates:
There are different and I'm confused little bit. I think it should be standardised as soon as possible. Visor 14:40, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
CategoriesAnother editor and I were having a discussion about categories. I thought I'd check here to see if anyone has an opinion on the matter. Let's say you've got a band with a category of its own, so you can easily find all the articles that are related to the band - albums, members, tours, former members, side projects, whatever (let's say, the Rolling Stones). Now let's say that the subject of one of the articles in the category has a category of its own (let's say, Mick Jagger). Here's the question: What would you put in the first level category - the second category, or the article itself? In other words, would you put Mick's article in the Stones category, or Mick's category in the Stones category? -Freekee 00:31, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
External LinksThere's a bit of discussion on Talk:Syd Barrett about an external link to Napster for streaming of audio from the artist's works. It doesn't feel right to me, any more than a link to the iTunes store or an Amazon associate's shop would... has anyone else run into similar situations, and how were they handled? Xinit 19:50, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
At Wikipedia:External links we list the following under "Links to avoid"
I suggest that if links to these vendors show up in a reference for some reason, the thing to do is to find a better reference, not just remove them. But there is no reason to have them under "External links". The artist's homepage will certainly have links to ways to purchase their product, and that homepage should be given in our articles. Jkelly 21:39, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
Hello, there are many links on Wiki that meet all three of those rules for deletion. Thousands, with much less useful content that is not free, Amazon.com for instance. They are commercial, they promote the site and they are supported by advertising. A link in the external links section that links to a musicians entire catalog that can then be listened to for free is no good? Im sorry but I think you are pulling my leg! Possibly JKelly is outside the US and is missing the part of the argument about the content being free. They say they are negotiating to make the content free world wide but I suppose if you checked from outside the US you would only see 30 second clips and may be put off by that. Waldzazi 22:24, 18 May 2006 (UTC)Waldzazi
No I think Ill leave the removal of useful links to free content to you Kelly. You could start with the hundreds or maybe thousands of links to IMDB. Good deleting! hehe Waldzazi 15:56, 19 May 2006 (UTC)Waldzazi Discography articlesBrowsing Category:Discographies, the fairly large collection of dedicated discography articles have very inconsistent introductions, despite serving very similar purposes. A lot are plain wrong, but I thought it would make sense to go through them systematically, so I wanted to know what people thought would make a good standard. Some approaches various articles have:
My initial thoughts prefer the combination "This is a discography of the Norwegian band BAND NAME.", and not linking to song categories. Any thoughts? When there's consensus I'm up for going through the category and acting on it. BigBlueFish 20:46, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
Revising music standardsMost of the music standards on this page are basically the same as they were a couple years ago. I'm working on a rewrite to describe the modern consensus, with some elaborating and other modifications. Feel free to make changes or suggestions at User:TUF-KAT/MUSTARD. Tuf-Kat 03:02, 22 May 2006 (UTC) Minor key articlesI want to know what opinions there are about whether to use the natural minor or the harmonic minor scale when mentioning the scale notes on minor key articles. Please write your responses here. NaturalHarmonic
MisinformationI would be grateful for advice on an odd problem. A template {{Czech composers}} was prepared by User:Antidote. It consists of photographs of three Bohemian composers (Antonin Dvorak, Bedrich Smetana, and Bohuslav Martinu), and of the Moravian composer Leos Janacek, and is headed 'The Great Four'. No explanation is provided. This template was orginally placed in the articles of the four composers concerned, again without any accompanying justification, reference or explanation in the article texts. The appropriateness of this template and its use in the articles was queried, (not originally by me), as the term of 'The Great Four' is apparently unknown in the English-speaking world, and to judge from the comments of others, scarcely known in the Czech Republic. I asked User:Antidote for a source of 'The Great Four', and he was able to give only one passing reference on a website. The term is not used in any musical dictionary or history that I have consulted. This seems therefore to be an attempt to foist a neologism as an enyclopaedic term, and therefore risks the quality of the Wikipedia pages concerned. Many musicologists (including myself) would also have serious doubts about placing Martinu on a similar level to the other three. Moreover in each article the photographs of the other three composers are of course irrelevant. However attempts to remove the template on this basis have resulted in it being replaced, possibly by User:Antidote but using unlogged IPs (most recently 70.146.15.127). This reinstitution of the template is vandalism of a sort, but how to report it and/or stop it? Any advice gratefully received.--Smerus 08:52, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
EP in album namesShould EP album articles have "EP" in the article name, normally? I've noticed several examples where it's treated as part of the title: Live at Bull Moose EP (Album), The Good Life - OZ EP, Hybrid Theory EP — as opposed to where it's a disambiguator as Trigger (EP). The only examples I see that it clearly should not be separate are The Slim Shady EP and The Marshall Mathers LP. This isn't in naming conventions, or the MOS, so I wonder what Project people think. --Dhartung | Talk 21:20, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
Music samples guidelineI proposed a new guideline concerning Music and Song samples in Wikipedia:Music samples. It stills a draft. Your input is appreciated. CG 20:10, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
EP sectionsHere's another inconsistency I'm finding. Usually a Discography section is split into Albums and Singles. I'm seeing people move EPs under the Singles section, which doesn't seem right to me -- an EP is just a short album, and the industry tracks singles sales separately, unless that's changed. --Dhartung | Talk 17:29, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
DISAMBIGUATION URGENTLY NEEDED : Experimental music - Electronic "art" music - Electronic music - Electronic dance music - Modern dance musicI have a question for music fans: are you aware that electronic music is not electronic dance music? Did you ever realize that no university in the USA regards electronic music and the music for dancing as the same genre? Are you aware that this is not a music magazine? Are you aware of the meaning of the term encyclopedic? Are you aware of the difference between idiomatic expressions, slang and encyclopedic (formal) language? Are you aware that most of articles claiming to deal with "electronic music subgenres" are unsourced or grounded only on independent websites? Brian W 00:04, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
I'm afraid that a big misunderstanding is occurring here. I love a number of music genres, and I don't hate any music style. I am only trying to "fight" against a mistaken use of words in Wikipedia. I admit that my English is not perfect, being somewhat influenced by German and Spanish/French structures; that doesn't prevent me from understanding and editing in and at an acceptable manner and level. Other editors are welcome to re-edit my sentences. Some music fans here are inventing new "genres" only grounding to the fact that the related word is currently used in common slang and sometimes on music magazines in reference to a style or sometimes a temporary fashion. Style is not genre , hopefully it's clear to everybody. Also, please note again that I don't hate modern dance music, old disco, hip-hop, black music in general and so on. I'll shortly edit a page in my user-space in order to provide a proof that I'm neutral, trustable and honest. I admit that I have a "somewhat non-neutral" attitude regarding one important thread: I do not believe that drugs (LSD, heroin, cannabis,....) can improve "spirituality" or "creativity" , there is no scientific evidence on this matter, but as you can see I'm not going around trolling Timothy Leary related articles and proponents. My recent edit at Jimi Hendrix has been welcome. Furthermore, I am also open to some "outsiding" modern research on psychology and related topics, such as Wilhelm Reich and Alexander Lowen. Brian W 12:13, 15 June 2006 (UTC) Noticeboard createdAt Wikipedia:WikiProject Music/Noticeboard. This will be a great way to share resources with other Portals and WikiProjects. Λυδαcιτγ 02:09, 22 June 2006 (UTC) Key articles for Wikipedia 1.0Hello! We at the Work via WikiProjects team previously contacted you to identify the quality articles in your WikiProject, and now we need a few more favors. We would like you to identify the "key articles" from your project that should be included in a small CD release due to their importance, regardless of quality. We will use that information to assess which articles should be nominated for Version 0.5 and later versions. Hopefully it will help you identify which articles are the most important for the project to work on. As well, please keep updating your Arts WikiProject article table for articles of high quality. If you are interested in developing a worklist such as this one for your WikiProject, or having a bot generate a worklist automatically for you, please contact us, or the World Music & Music Genres WikiProjects which are already using the bot. Please feel free to post your suggestions right here. Thanks!
Vital articlesFirst let's look at the vital articles in music: These are a subset of the key articles. Now we need to branch sideways and down from these "anchors" to find the rest of the key articles. Judging from Wikipedia:Key article, we need about 10-20 key articles for every vital article. Λυδαcιτγ 14:39, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
Mix tapes?Do mix tapes deserve articles? They're not official releases, are they? what's the criteria? -- Mikeblas 14:40, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
New articlesHi guys. Just to inform you that Music criticism and Music appreciation have just been created as stubs. Please contribute. Cheers -- Szvest 15:24, 29 June 2006 (UTC) Wiki me up™ I'll check it out.Dan 17:02, 19 July 2006 (UTC) Quality standardsI have set up a more detailed replacement for this page's loose list of guidelines. It is also a music-specific version of Wikipedia:Cleanup. Take a look at Wikipedia:WikiProject Music/MUSTARD. Tuf-Kat 19:30, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
Discography format?Is there a standardized format for discography (not a seperate article, but within the article for the band)? Is there a guideline for spliting the discography into a separate article? TheHYPO 20:52, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
Tours..What is the proper format when talking about tours? What I mean is, songs are put in "'s and album names are italised. So what about tours? — Prodigenous Zee - 15:41, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
A written guidelineI just wanted to know if the project would back a formalization of the format used for category:band templates members. I've been noticing a lot of more or less malformed templates popping up and having the guidelines for these written in the category page would reduce the work that needs to be done. Circeus 21:30, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
proposal
Circeus 00:46, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi! I just noticed the new article touring label, which is not written in a particularly encyclopedic style. At the end of the article, it mentions that the term was coined by G. David Daniels of WCA Entertainment, who also appears to be the author of the article. (User:Ddaniels@wca-entertainment.com). If someone who is familiar with the music industry could glance over the article, and sort out whether it's describing a recognized phenomenon or just promoting WCA Entertainment, it would be great. Thanks! FreplySpang 17:58, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
The Beatles is up for a featured article review. Detailed concerns may be found here. Please leave your comments and help us address and maintain this article's featured quality. Sandy 15:13, 27 July 2006 (UTC) MySpace and other external linksThe external links guideline is being revised, and a few people have brought up the issue of official MySpace pages, which seem to be considered acceptable on a case-by-case basis, but I'm concerned that if the guideline does not reflect the 2006-era usage of MySpace Music sites for bands, they'll be subject to arbitrary mass deletion as recently happened at a few articles I watch. Please add your point of view to the discussion at Wikipedia talk:External links#Links normally to be avoided. --Dhartung | Talk 07:53, 28 July 2006 (UTC) AC/DC external linksA user seems to have a problem with the external links over at AC/DC and third opinions would be appreciated. Make sure to look at thearticle history. (see also rant here). Circeus 00:06, 30 July 2006 (UTC) InfoboxesI was trying to put {{Infobox Instrument}} on all musical instrument pages. Anyone care to help? (See an example at Violin) —Mets501 (talk) 15:09, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
The noticeboard has nothing on "bands that meet notability" so I'm brigning it here: Does Solid Doves meet the WP:MUSIC guidelines? Two album and 500 copies of a three-song CD. I know nothing about music, so I wanted to ask here intead of prodding it or sending it to AFD. Hbdragon88 21:52, 11 August 2006 (UTC) Possible date vandalismCould somebody take a look at the edits being done by Aleppo1979 (talk · contribs)? There are no edit summaries and a bunch of subtle date changes, so I'm not sure what's going on. Thanks. Mike Dillon 02:02, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
New Category : Music scenes (a valid path)I've just started the Category:Music scenes (grounding on the article Music scene) and added it in a few pages. This will prevent edit wars and long unuseful discussions in the future, indeed nowadays many Wikipedians are involved in discussions arguing that " X is not a real style or music genre, but simply a music scene ". Dr. Who 04:20, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
I am not planning to add more information here becouse I am busy. I thank in advance all those that will appreciate this effort and will help to progress that page. by Dr. Who 13:17, 20 August 2006 (UTC) DeBence Antique Music WorldI just wrote DeBence Antique Music World. I'm not familiar with your project, and have no idea how you handle such articles, or where exactly this fits in the hierarchy or in which categories it goes. Help? Thanks. --Chris Griswold 05:38, 23 August 2006 (UTC) Sex Pistols is up for a featured article review. Detailed concerns may be found here. Please leave your comments and help us address and maintain this article's featured quality. Sandy 02:12, 31 August 2006 (UTC) Joining?How do I join this WikiProject? The main page said to post here, so here I am. Andrew 01:04, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
Ah. Well, then, I guess I'll start seeing what I can do! Andrew 15:12, 9 September 2006 (UTC) Userbox for members!I created a userbox for members! It is located at Template:User WP Music. Take a gander...
Dream Theater is up for a featured article review. Detailed concerns may be found here. Please leave your comments and help us address and maintain this article's featured quality. Sandy 17:48, 6 October 2006 (UTC) Iron Maiden is up for a featured article review. Detailed concerns may be found here. Please leave your comments and help us address and maintain this article's featured quality. Sandy 17:48, 6 October 2006 (UTC) Musical examples (notation)I would just like to lend my services to put notated musical examples (such as in Homophony) in all kinds of music articles to which it would apply. If anyone knows of an article that needs notated examples, I would be happy to notate the examples myself and upload them to Wikipedia. Additionally, if anyone else would like to help with this, perhaps we could start some kind of group within the WikiProject to do this. Thoughts? Ideas? -- Cielomobile talk / contribs 06:05, 9 October 2006 (UTC) Challenge to inclusion of AMG linksPlease see discussion here; a user is contesting the inclusion of AMG links in articles as "linkspam," and has repeatedly removed the link from The Future Sound of London article. Musician articles are not my usual thing, so I thought this would benefit from project regulars weighing in to show that the community supports AMG as an external resource. I believe that article is the only one on which this user has removed the AMG links. Thanks, Postdlf 14:44, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
Some copy-editing help with an FAC?
Context in Lead sectionPer Wikipedia:Lead section, most music article start with "In music,..." believe that we need some sort of guideline as to which articles begin with "In music theory", "In musicology", or "In music and music theory" etc. If there is such a guideline, please point me to it. If not, we should create it. Hyacinth 02:08, 18 October 2006 (UTC) Project DirectoryHello. The WikiProject Council is currently in the process of developing a master directory of the existing WikiProjects to replace and update the existing Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory. These WikiProjects are of vital importance in helping wikipedia achieve its goal of becoming truly encyclopedic. Please review the following pages:
and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope to have the existing directory replaced by the updated and corrected version of the directory above by November 1. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you. B2T2 21:25, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
Little help?Here's the situation: A while back, someone created a speculative article about an upcoming song at Lithium (Evanescence song). A few other editors and myself changed it to redirect to the parent album because a) it's not notable according to the WP:MUSIC guidelines, b) it hasn't been released yet so we don't know if it will ever be notable enough for its own article, and c) it screws up a lot of the links related to the Nirvana song that is actually notable. (At the same time, Lithium (song) was moved to Lithium (Nirvana song) despite discussion to the contrary; then Lithium (song) was turned into a disambiguation page, breaking a hundred links from Nirvana articles.) To try to get around it, somebody moved "Lithium (Evanescence song)" to Lithium (Evanescence), which obviously is not the preferred title per WP:NAME. Now somebody else has also created a weird soft-redirect at Lithium (Single). I'm feeling overwhelmed by the fanboy crowd, and I figured I'd post here to see what everyone thinks. Are we being unreasonable? At this point, whether we keep it or not, the whole thing is a mess and could use some attention. Thanks. Kafziel Talk 16:01, 27 October 2006 (UTC) Inclusion of Virtual band into WikiProject MusicWould it be possible for this article (which has been on the Wiki for about a year) to be included as a Wikiproject Music article? --JB Adder | Talk 02:21, 6 November 2006 (UTC) Is Phylum Sinter notable?Hey there folks. I'm not exactly well versed in the music scene myself, so I thought I'd bring this to you. I tagged the article Phylum Sinter, but User:Phylum sinter thinks that qualifies under WP:MUSIC. Could anyone more knowledged in the subject than myself comment at Talk:Phylum Sinter? Thanks much. --Brad Beattie (talk) 16:36, 11 November 2006 (UTC) Musical instruments projectThere now is a proposed project dealing with articles on musical instruments at Wikipedia:WikiProject/List of proposed projects#Musical Instruments. I would encourage all those interested in participating in such a project to add their names there. Thank you. Badbilltucker 20:08, 11 November 2006 (UTC) Template [hide] functionAnyone here handy with templates? Could someone set {{Iranian musical instruments}} to default as hidden? In some articles the template is much bigger than the article itself. Thank you, Fang Aili talk 21:54, 21 November 2006 (UTC) StablepediaBeginning cross-post.
End cross-post. Please do not comment more in this section. Wikiproject Music subsection for Percussion?Is there a Wikiproject Percussion / subproject in wikiproject music for percussion? I've been looking around and I cannot find one. Bagpiping Scotsman 04:16, 26 November 2006 (UTC) Saxophone is up for a featured article review. Detailed concerns may be found here. Please leave your comments and help us address and maintain this article's featured quality. Sandy (Talk) 03:02, 1 December 2006 (UTC) Uncategorised music stubsOver at the Songs wikiproject, I suggested an Category:Uncategorised songs cleanup category, on the pattern of the seemingly very successful Category:Uncategorised albums. No takers yet, but what about a broader Category:Uncategorised music articles, or perhaps slightly more specifically, Category:Uncategorised music stubs (that being the most ready source of such, and where I'd be bot-populating them from). Would there be interest in, and support of, such a scheme here? Alai 20:09, 1 December 2006 (UTC) Proposed changes at Wikipedia:WikiProject Music/Tables for chartsWikiProject Music editors might want to know that there's been some recent discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Music/Tables for charts about adding some new guidelines on lists of chart positions for singles (and now for albums): how much chart information an article needs and the best ways to present it. Anyone with even a remote interest in the topic is encouraged to look over the proposals and add an opinion or two. The relevant discussions are at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Music/Tables for charts#Component charts and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Music/Tables for charts#Chart trajectories. Thanks all! --keepsleeping slack off! 02:43, 3 December 2006 (UTC) wikiproject templateI would like to place a template associating List of recordings preserved in the United States National Recording Registry with WikiProject Music. Is there a template to do so? TonyTheTiger 19:25, 9 December 2006 (UTC) Succession boxesShould they have their own section headings? I mean, they don't really fit under the ones that they are (in the articles that have them) -- AshadeofgreyTalk 22:55, 10 December 2006 (UTC) Incorrect years for Grammy AwardsApparently the titling of every single Grammy Awards of [Year XXXX] page has systematic errors. As the Grammy Award article states: "Years reflect the year in which the awards were presented, for music released in the previous year." But the official year scheme dates the awards from the year the music was released. This means that the official 2005 Grammy winners, for example, are listed on Wikipedia under Grammy Awards of 2006. This is quite confusing (if not blatently wrong) for a supposedly encyclopedic site. Please discuss at Talk:Grammy Award. -- Rynne 15:52, 11 December 2006 (UTC) New page: Wikipedia:Requested recordingsI have just started Wikipedia:Requested recordings, to try to get more free content recordings of PD music to help illustrate Wikipedia's music articles. Please volunteer if you can, and suggest pieces for recording which you think would be a good illustration for an article. Spread the word! Mak (talk) 20:31, 26 December 2006 (UTC) Wikipedia Day AwardsHello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 17:42, 29 December 2006 (UTC) Other language songs and albumsHi! When mentioning a song title or an album title that is in a language that is not English, I would like to give a translation — see Dr. Space Dagbok for an example. How should this best be formatted? /skagedal... 17:05, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
Music related page move for KISSSee Talk:KISS (band). Please add your thoughts, whatever they maybe. 205.157.110.11 03:39, 7 January 2007 (UTC) Flags(moved from Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Alternative music) This has come up at U2. Should articles on bands automatically have a national flag in their articles? WP:FLAG would seem to say "no", and a flag looks odd on some bands' articles. Any comments? --Guinnog 08:25, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
Shouldn't there be a serious consensus built before you actually refer people here? Anyhoo a policy would be handy for infoboxes, what we have now is a mix of bands and people who have flags and those who don't. Thats not the way it should be on this site. It should be uniform. And whether the boxes have flags or not, it looks nice sometimes but I don't care really Billtheking 19:51, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
Flags add more to the visual appearance of the page. I'd agree it is not really neccesary but having it in there makes it better to look at. Can anyone give me a reason as to why flags should not be on band articles? I seem to see reasoning for, which is basically it looks nice, but that is more than the people who are against it have given. It shouldn't be a requirement for a band infobox to have a flag, but if somone adds one I see no logical reasoning behind removing it. --E tac 22:14, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
You are kidding right? Most bands that are really famous have pages that are full of images of band members and album covers and the like that are just there for eye candy, and those would add a lot more time to loading a page than a little tiny flag graphic. --E tac 22:25, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
I believe this discussion on flags is pretty new, and yet some people have already taken upon themselves to remove them wherever they find them - despite the fact no official policy yet exists, only a brief discussion here and an "opinion" article on the flags talk page. Shouldn't a decision be reached before action is taken? To me flags are small, simple, and yes visually appealling. Most icons seem to be about 0.3 KB large - used in moderation that is neither a bandwidth or speed problem. The examples given above are poor, as there is little dispute Aerosmith is an American band or The Beatles were English, so there would be one flag, not many as the "Pokemon" comparison indicates. There really are bigger battles to be waged (or time better spent elsewhere), but so far this "debate" seems to be one or two opinions - not exactly what I what call consensus. Z00ropean 05:39, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
Well do you have any real compelling argument against them, other then them "being visual clutter"? --E tac 08:00, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
They look nice (sometimes), but that's the only real plus to using them. The information must still be in text form, so they could be considered redundant. -Freekee 18:28, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
"Here are some reasons not to add unnecessary flag icons":
--E tac 18:47, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
Let's take a step back here. The "Origin" field exists solely for the purpose of writing a line of text describing a geographical location. No matter how many flags we add, the flag cannot substitute for the text or make it possible to write less text. Isn't that the point of little flag icons? To reduce the volume of text and code, not add to it? –Unint 23:51, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
Please contribute to the centralised discussion on flag icons at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style#Flag icons - manual of style entry?. Please add comments over there, not here. Thanks. Carcharoth 13:58, 15 January 2007 (UTC) Chart and Sales ReferencesCan anyone point me at some useful resources for referencing things like highest chart positions and sales classifications (gold, platinum, etc)? I have AFI (band) on my watchlist and there seems to be a fair bit of changing these numbers. Unfortunately, I have no idea which are the correct ones. It would be useful if I could put in the definitive numbers along with references, but don't know where to look. →Ollie (talk • contribs) 20:57, 12 January 2007 (UTC) I am currently working on this article and would like to eventually get it approved as a Good Article. Any help, comments, and suggestions would be much appreciated. Thanks, Dar-Ape 22:09, 15 January 2007 (UTC) Hi folks! User:Pajaro4 has filed a request for assistance with the article Italian Bellotti Cymbals. He doesn't understand why the article was put up for speedy delete. In looking into the issue I noted several other similar articles on cymbal manufacturers grouped in Category:Cymbal manufacturers. My request here is that people who have some interest and knowledge of the situation to take a look at both the Italian Bellotti Cymbals article and the related articles in the Cymbal manufacturers category. My questions are: 1) Is the Italian Bellotti Cymbals worth keeping? 2) Should all those Cymbal manufacturers articles be grouped together in one meaningful article - as they stand they appear to me to be rather weak, and open to nomination for deletion. 3) Is it worth getting together some notability criteria for musical instruments that editors can look to as a guideline? Regards SilkTork 08:25, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
Guitar iconsI've noticed a few people adding little guitar icons next to genres of music (namely Rock). I high doubt this is necessary...in my opinion, it's sillier than a flag icon! We don't need them, right? DiscordantNoteCntrbtns 19:47, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
New album notability guidelines?I would like to direct your attention to User:Ryanpostlethwaite/WP:MUSIC (album) (talk page), where we are drafting up new criteria for album notability. The single criterion we have right now just won't do! If you disagree with what is there, please make suggestions! − Twas Now ( talk • contribs • e-mail ) 22:20, 8 February 2007 (UTC) Lists of artistsI keep on coming across lists of artists in different particular genres of music and was wondering if perhaps we could begin some sort of initiative to make those lists more useful. Most of them have become so long that distinguishing the more influential/important bands from the rest is almost impossible (see List of post-punk bands for instance). Perhaps we could start ranking these artists by the number of albums they have produced so that it is more obvious who the influential bands are. Theshibboleth 09:53, 23 February 2007 (UTC) Heavy metal singersIf anyone wants they can use this template {{User Metal Singer}} on their user page... it looks something like this:
. When bands change their name?I've not sure what's meant to happen when a band changes their name - for instance, Stutterfly has done this, and someone has now created a new page for their new name (Secret And Whisper). Is this what is supposed to happen, or should the existing Stutterfly page be renamed to Secret And Whisper, and mention the band's Stutterfly era? Any help on this would be great. H4cksaw (talk) 10:59, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
It's a reliable source...but is it notable?I am coming here for a bit of an expert opinion and suggestion on how to proceed. An editor has recently added an extensive quote to the "Reactions to Success" section of the James Blunt article. I have no doubt that it is accurate, but I am not convinced that a critique by a musician from another style of music is particularly worthy of inclusion into the article. It also tends to weigh the article on the "criticism" side. Since this is one of the few articles I watch regularly (I don't edit that often), I'm perhaps vulnerable to a WP:OWN or WP:POV allegation if I edit this out without a neutral editor concurring. Could folks comment on this - perhaps even directly on the talk page of the article? Thanks. Risker 02:06, 1 March 2007 (UTC) Project AwardA WikiProject Award or Topical Barnstar for this project has been proposed. As the project does not appear to have yet been notified, in order for the image to be improved and eventually selected, members of the projected are invited to comment on the proposal at Wikipedia:Barnstar and award proposals/New Proposals#Music Barnstar or WikiProject Award (The image currently being used is not yet marked as an official award). Laïka 16:50, 11 March 2007 (UTC) Underpopulated Music categoriesI've created a category Category:Underpopulated Music categories and have moved most of the music related categories in Underpopulated categories to this category if you notice a category in there that should be moved to underpopulated music categories you can move it there by replacing {{popcat}} with {{popcat|Underpopulated Music categories}}.Irate velociraptor 16:21, 16 March 2007 (UTC) Help on HomophonyThis article could use some help, especially in the area of history, and I figured that people around here might know a thing or two. Anyone care to lend a hand? -- Cielomobile talk / contribs 02:43, 22 March 2007 (UTC) Charts (again)I have two questions. First, some articles are being loaded with charts (from Lithuania, Romania... well, just about everywhere). If things continue in this way, many articles will contain little but chart statistic. Could there be some decision on which charts are rleevant? For a Lithuanian release, the Lithuanian chart would be relevant, but for U.S., British, etc., releases, a cerain set of charts are accepted — something like that. Secondly, I've come across a few articles on charts (or chart-issuing companies) that have been turned into mirrors of the charts themselves, going back years (see, for example, VSpot Top 20 Countdown). As we're not a chart-listing magazine, that seems clearly inappropriate. Any coments? --Mel Etitis (Talk) 08:58, 26 March 2007 (UTC) |