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On Loan Vs Signed in Club Stats
When a player is on loan, and then is signed by that club, should the club stats subtotal reflect both the loan season and the signed seasons, or should there be separate subtotals? Froglife94 (talk) 02:46, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm now wondering the same thing, as nearly every article I've seen follows the "loan is not included" practice, and yet recently, my edit to bring Martin Ødegaard to that standard was reverted [1] by an experienced editor saying "includes loan spell". Has the consensus changed without me noticing—and without pretty much any other article following suit—or is Ødegaard's article somehow different? Anwegmann (talk) 04:47, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Fully agree with Robby - they are separate spells and should be treated as such. The only exception is when a player has two separate loan spells with the same club in the same season, from the same parent club. GiantSnowman08:57, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
While most articles seem to link to say "football/soccer player", I've seen some articles link the article about people who play a code of football, i.e "football player/soccer player". Which should be used?
It seems that most of the well-known players use the most common method, while less well-known ones (at least less well-known ones for people outside the country they're from or that they play in, e.g an Australian playing in the EFL League One or Two who almost nobody outside England or Australia knows about unless they either like that club/player or watch a lot of English football, or if he's in their EA FC Ultimate Team). Schestos (talk) 12:43, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Recently added an honour for Jeppe Grønning for the Danish 2nd divisions in 2011–12, which was reverted. While FC Fyn did not outright gain promotion (as it was not possible), they did win the west league and were subsequently promoted after defeating HIK. While I understand in some areas that a 6th place team gaining promotion via play-offs would not count as an honour, in this case Fyn did both (a) win their league in the division and (b) were the sole promoted team. I’m wondering what sort of MOS there is regarding situations like this, if there is one at all. Thanks for any input. Sunny☀️Tango (talk • edits) 16:56, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wining a league should be an honour - the promotion itself is not. All additions should also be directly cited to reliable source(s) which confirm the player in question won that specific honour. GiantSnowman17:01, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And I think that’s fair, counting winning the league rather than promotion as numerous teams could gain promotion depending on the league. To the second point, a clear majority of articles referencing honours are already cited in the body of text preceding the honours section.
In this particular case, as you’re familiar with the edit in question, would Soccerway be sufficient as a reference? I’m typically on the fence about using websites like this as they may have different ways of counting honours opposed to Wiki standards. Sunny☀️Tango (talk • edits) 17:45, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The referencing should be repeated, so that the 'Honours' section has every honour clearly and directly referenced. Soccerway is fine. GiantSnowman18:36, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Question about creating an article for a player called up by the national team but without official national/club matches
Is it within the rules for creating articles about football players if a certain player has already been called up to represent his country’s national team, was included in the squad for an official match (even if he did not enter the field), but has not yet played any professional matches for his club?
To give more context, I am referring to the player Gabriel Pereira de Azevedo Richvicki, who currently plays in the youth categories of Palmeiras, in Brazil, and was called up by his birth country, El Salvador, for the match against Montserrat on November 17, 2024, in the Concacaf Nations League. The player was included in the match squad but did not end up playing.
In my assessment, his inclusion in the squad for an official national team match is already sufficient justification for the creation of the article. However, I would like to confirm this with you to avoid an unnecessary deletion.
The threshold for notability is WP:SIGCOV. Being called up to a national team is nowhere near enough to satisfy notability requirements, and neither are databases and match reports. If there is significant coverage—multiple paragraphs, special focus, lengthy biographical coverage, etc.—in independent, trustworthy sources, that should be your barometer. Anwegmann (talk) 00:22, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
