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They exist, for a reason and intentionally. Maybe you could use this because the current way RedWarn patrol works in Post-Rev12 is kinda weird. Try looking at how Real-Time Recent Changes work, or how Answer Edit Request works. They use Special Blank Page. Maybe you could move RedWarn Recent Changes Patrol into let's say Special:BlankPage/RedWarn, and have a sidebar link to it. Something you could do. {{reply to|Can ILog In}}'s talk page! 02:09, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
Hi ! I have started using the tool in the last couple of weeks and have loved it . Ito Great ! but the RC Patrol tab lists changes on the basis of removal of content which is not very helpful to find vandalism plus there is no button to show the diff . Can you please look into this . Kpgjhpjm 09:17, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
Kpgjhpjm, thanks for the feedback. Here's how you use RW Patrol: you can apply the normal filters on the recent changes page, including the "likely vandalism/bad faith" filters, but not highlighting right now, then click the button to open RedWarn patrol. In there, you click "Open New Attached Tab" - this opens a new browser tab that is attached to RedWarn patrol, you can make this into a new window and arrange them how you like by clicking and dragging the tab down on Chrome and Firefox. Whenever you click a page listed in RedWarn patrol, the connected tab will update and send you to that diff page. I hope that explanation helps! Ed6767 (talk) 13:15, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
I find it unhelpful when I'm looking at my own contributions and am presented with buttons to revert myself... Also, it makes it less obvious which edits are "current" ones and which ones are not. Could it be possible to either return to the previous version of this, or at least keep (in addition to the rollback buttons) the usual (current) indication? Cheers, RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 13:05, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
RandomCanadian, I understand that maybe a bit of a learning curve - right now there is no way to disable the contributions rollback links. RW rollback options only show on current changes and replaces the (current) on the page with rollback links. Hopefully, that isn't too frustrating and I'll add an option to disable this in the next update. Ed6767 (talk) 13:20, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
About this on your own contribs, this still might be useful if you want to revert an error, so I don't think I'll change anything in that regard unless I receive further complaints Ed6767 (talk) 13:22, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply. In any case I always found the bolded current to be a great visual help in dealing with editors who I am pretty sure are vandal-only. As I said, my suggestion was not disabling it entirely but simply returning to the previous version where both the rollback links and the current were present. Cheers, RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 18:58, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
RandomCanadian, ah, I understand. I'll think about how I could implement an option to make distinguishing current ones easier, such as restoring the current tag as suggested. Thanks for the feedback! Ed6767talk!20:05, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
Who can use this?
After finding out about this tool, it seems like something that could help me (I've been using Twinkle exclusively for anti-vandalism work). Can anyone use this or do you have to be invited as a beta tester? Thanks, --GalaxyDogtalk • contribs19:22, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
@GalaxyDog: Yes, anybody can use this (though some features are limited to users with relevant permissions...). Just follow the instructions on the main page (and feel free to report any bugs/issues). Cheers, RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 19:28, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
GalaxyDog, to clarify, you can use all the features except for pending changes review as an extended confirmed user - autoconfirmed users can use all features but the multiple action tool :) Ed6767talk!19:51, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
Very nice script, but I do have a few suggestions to improve it's usability.
Add an option to remove the button that enables RedWarn patrol on Special:RecentChanges (I am using a script that opens links in a set tab from the default RecentChanges so the button isn't needed)
Make the icons to the right of the title fit with the page indicator (around font-size: 21px; and vertical-align: middle;)
Make #rwPGIconContainer a div with display: inline-block; and replace the at the front of it with margin-left (around 0.5em)
Increase the z-index of .mw-indicators
Remove the copyright notice from the console and make it a comment in the code or move it to somewhere in the UI
Use mw.user.options and new mw.Api().saveOption/new mw.Api().saveOptions to get and save user preferences (they have to be prefixed with userjs).
These ones aren't issues with the current script, but are suggestions to expand it so it's more useful:
Add a button to welcome users (welcoming new users is an important part of fighting vandalism)
Add an dialogue to propose page deletion and moving (XFD, PROD, DI, and CSD from Twinkle in one dialogue)
Add an option to manage maintenance tags and stub tags
BrandonXLF, thanks for the feedback and technical advice! RW did have a quick welcome button in older versions, but this has now been replaced with the Quick Template feature - you can get the quick welcome pack by following the instructions over at WP:REDWARN/QTPACKS (you can also make one with more welcome templates quite easily, I used the quick template feature to invite you to test on your talk page). Matching Twinkle's features and more is all coming in the future, I'm working hard to close the gap, but this is slow as I have to design a new UI for every feature. I'm planning on releasing a quick patch soon (rev13a) for a couple of bugs I've noted, and I'll probably merge your visual improvements in with that - but I'm unsure what you mean by using the mw API for user preferences and how that'd relate to RedWarn? Ed6767talk!03:58, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
Ed6767, right now you're saving preferences to redwarnConfig.js, you can use the options API instead. I also think welcoming users is important enough that it should be there should be a dedicated button and it should be there by default, maybe have it as a default pack and allow packs to have custom buttons for quick access.– BrandonXLF (talk)04:38, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
BrandonXLF, thanks for the feedback! I'll probably keep redwarnConfig.js for now for two reasons: 1. migrating the current config would cause a lot of disruption (and Twinkle uses a similar YAML config page) 2. It allows me to check the users config easily which makes debugging easier. Ed6767talk!17:02, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
Ed6767, I see, for the first point you could have some code that would import from the config page, but I guess you should start using the API after the tool is more stable and there isn't a need to have to check users configs. I also have a few more suggestions:
Remove the buttons from the Main Page or any page without a visible title
Also, the rw rollback is very useful. In twinkle, I have to ctrl-click all of the buttons and then click every tab, but rolling back while staying on the page is very useful. Also, the (current) is missing, where is it? CrazyBoy82616:52, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
The (current) is located at the rollback buttons. You just can't see it because RedWarn has hidden them. Nevertheless, the rollback buttons are the new "(current)". {{reply to|Can I Log In}}'s talk page! 17:02, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
@CrazyBoy826 and Can I Log In: I have intentions to reposition the rollback contribs buttons later on as most people don't seem to be fans the current position - regarding the userbox, feel free to edit it if you wish. The official RW short logo is: RWEd6767talk!17:50, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
@Ed6767: The rollback displays even for pages which I created and have only one revision. the twinkle rollback doesn't display, but Redwarn does. `CrazyBoy826
Well, if you're online at 5am, the RedWarn warning list is exactly what the title says - a giant, WP:INDISCRIMINATE list of warning options. Could you divide it up into sections like Twinkle and make the text smaller to reduce scrolling? Also, could you move the unsourced up with the tests and deletion? Thanks! CrazyBoy82604:06, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
This: unsourced additions are a very frequent kind of good-faith edits which might actually be helped by giving proper instructions (though I've seen it go both ways); and copying the order from twinkle might not be optimal. @CrazyBoy826: The templates are searchable (but so are they on twinkle), but a little sectioning would indeed help. Cheers, RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 04:34, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
CrazyBoy826, categories are already in the rule database so I will add them in the next update. Regarding making the text smaller, if you don't want to scroll I highly recommend typing to search through the options. Thanks for the feedback! Ed6767talk!13:19, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
Ed6767, on Twinkle the uw-vandalism and uw-unsourced appear at once without scrolling. On redwarn I have to scroll down about three screens before I get to it. Also, I would suggest putting the template names on the list like twinkle instead of just their descriptions. CrazyBoy82616:01, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
Hello, I just found a bug, when you request protection for a file, which is that, as title, the file to be protected is displayed as image. Like here. Should be easy to fix. --TheImaCow (talk) 13:22, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
Hello, I have another suggestion for the next update:
That the reported user is linked in the edit summary of AIV reports. This is because I have activated a gadget that automatically crosses out names of blocked users. (Preferences > Apperance > Strike out usernames that have been blocked)' This looks like this, and then I can see at a single look in the approximate report history which people have been blocked and which have not. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheImaCow (talk • contribs)
Hi all! Thanks for filling in the short survey I sent - the survey is now closed and I can provide you with the general results. 20 of RedWarn's 57 users (at the time of sending) filled in the short survey, of which:
100% of users who completed the survey rated their experiences with RedWarn from okay (6) to excellent (10)
80% of users who completed the survey rated their experiences with RedWarn from Good (8) to excellent (10)
20% of users who completed the survey rated their experiences with RedWarn as excellent (10)
Feedback for these results included:
"It helps me revert vandalism much faster."
"RedWarn is very useful and has many improvements over Twinkle."
"RedWarn is AWESOME!"
"Everything looks very well put-together, no glitches so far, fast and easy to use"
"Excellent tool, way better than twinkle"
Despite still being in beta, 90% of of users who completed the survey said they were likely to recommend RedWarn to another editor and 60% said they preferred RedWarn to other tools like Twinkle and Huggle.
75% of said they'd like to see a RedWarn mobile app
I never expected that much positive feedback at such a relatively early stage! To those who have made suggestions, thank you. I've expanded my to-do list with many of your suggestions (including tidying up the UI, adding tools within edit-filter logs, expanding the documentation videos and more) and I really hope RedWarn continues to get better with your feedback. It may be a few versions before your suggestion is added, but I've taken all feedback into account and I hope you continue to enjoy using my tool. Thank you all again! Ed6767talk!14:33, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
@Ed6767:, many people are talking about recent changes patrol. However, one edit comes in every two seconds, so I prefer to do edit filter patrol, where one comes in every 20 seconds or so - enough for me to track all of them. Are there any possible additional options for edit filter patrol? CrazyBoy82615:36, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
Hi Ed6767 it's just a little thing but would you be able to have the edit summary link to the vandals contributions when reporting to AIV? It's really handy for admins when we see a report on our watch list to quickly check the vandals contribs without opening the page. Just a minor thing but a time saver especially with aggressive vandals. Thanks! Glen04:30, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
Hi Ed6767! Just another suggestion (you probably get loads of these).You should pitch RedWarn to the trainers at the CVUA. They'd be able to teach it to all the new students that get trained there, and it'll get greater exposure. Thanks, Thanoscar21talk, contribs22:12, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
Thanoscar21, good idea! Just need to work on RedWarn itself a bit more, like making tutorial videos and improving the documentation and everything first though. Ed6767talk!22:15, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
Hi, just chiming in here for one quick piece of feedback (hopefully more to come in the near future). On the "View Latest Revision" feature, when it shows you the diff, a little black box pops up which says something to the extent of "viewing lastest revision", which, IMHO, is a bit awkward wording, as I don't believe lastest is a word. You may want to change that lastest --> latest? Cheers -- puddleglum2.0 15:54, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
Also, you might want to consider changing the red of the "You cannot edit this page " lock image in the upper right to a little darker shade of red - every time it loads, it looks like a notification or something of that sort - it draws the attention away from the page you're trying to edit. Cheers -- puddleglum2.015:58, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
Puddleglum2.0, should clarify, when I say something here is fixed, the patch usually won't be out until the next update. We're working behind the scenes on a new development system that will allow us to apply patches like that quickly and near immediately. Ed6767talk!01:02, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
and... responded prematurely! :) Still getting the lastest revision. I'm no great coding whiz, but you may want to do a quick CTRL-F for "lastest" in the relevant files. :) All the best -- puddleglum2.000:54, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
The only differences between the latest Rev13 config and your current Rev14 config I can see are this. You might want to try changing back to ""colTheme":"orange-deep_orange","pgIconsLocation":"default"" (but not touching the rest?). If that doesn't work I guess you'll have to wait for morning in the UK (which is still a few hours away...) RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 01:56, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
@Prahlad balaji and RandomCanadian: I can't exactly "fix" this. I should've mentioned in the release notes, but the entire rollback icon mechanism was completely remade, so old configurations are now ignored. You can reapply the icon changes by right-clicking icons in the preferences page and choosing an icon. You can also customise the icon colours if you wish. Sorry for the inconvenience. Ed6767talk!02:03, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
"Sorry, there was an error, likely an edit conflict. Your rollback has not been applied."
Anybody else sometimes getting this error in cases when there is no edit conflict? The solution appears to be reloading the page, but I have no clue what would be causing it. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 21:00, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
RandomCanadian, in general, that is more of a generic error when something on Wikipedia's end goes wrong. Next time it happens, could you open your browser console and either paste in the full error you see in your console here or ideally submit it to the bug tracker (requires a GitLab account) so that we can take a look? Ed6767talk!22:37, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
Can I Log In, actually, it's marked as needing triage, so the priority hasn't yet been determined - almost feel as if it's sat there gathering digital dust at this point Ed6767talk!03:03, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
Suggestion
hello! I have suggestion on redwarn is quick speedly deletion, proposed deletion and nomination for deletion, this is my suggestion, thank you! -BEAMALEXANDER!,talk07:29, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
BeamAlexander25, thanks for the suggestions - these are already on our future feature plans, and hopefully they should be out within the next few versions. Thanks again Ed6767talk!12:38, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
Vertical scalability
Just used this on a laptop with limited vertical resolution: the box you get to sent a template (eg. to warn a vandal) is too large for the screen size: would there be a possibility to scale this based on display resolution? Thanks, RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 13:35, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
RandomCanadian, I feel as if this may become a bit of an edge case as displays get a more and more high resolution - but, I'll probably add a "low-resolution mode" where a dialog will be forced to fit within the screen? You'll just need to scroll a little to get to the bottom of it however as the resolution is still fixed. Ed6767talk!14:13, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
Well, if you plan on making a mobile version of this this will remain an issue which will have to be fixed somehow (maybe the least-bad option there would be to remove the optional message box) so I was just pointing it out. Thanks, RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 18:54, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
However, it will load on some wikis, and might not on others, and it won't load on all simplewikis. And if you do manage to get (auto)confirmed on a wiki where it loads RedWarn, apparently the changes will happen on enwiki.
Of course, you can fork it for simplewiki, or make a global fork. First we had twinkle on enwiki, and about 10/11 months ago, there is now a global fork of twinkle.
Can I Log In, next version of RedWarn will automatically detect which Wiki your on, so there won't be any issues in a global config for rev15, but the ruleset and full localisation wouldn't be finished for a while. Ed6767talk!22:40, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
Interstellarity, yep, didn't originally intend for those pages to move before I'd patched it but another user moved here prematurely, so it is on my todo list to fix. Thanks for pointing these issues out! Ed6767talk!22:42, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
How do I turn it on?
I clicked the "install" button, and it changed to "uninstall". Other than that, I don't see any changes. I have Firefox 77, and Twinkle installed and working. Now what? --IamNotU (talk) 22:03, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
Ok, now I see the problem, it wants to make third-party connections to Google hosts I've never heard of (ghs.google.com, gstaticadssl.l.google.com), which I don't normally allow. I unblocked them for Wikipedia, now I can see some buttons! I will start clicking on them immediately. --IamNotU (talk) 01:10, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
Is there anything else I have to unblock, or cookies I need to allow etc.? Also, what is the minimum version of Firefox supported? Thanks. --IamNotU (talk) 01:45, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
IamNotU, no cookies or anything used by RedWarn, it's all saved locally on your account. Firefox would have to be within the past 2 years due to Web API support, but I couldn't give you specifics as it really does vary - but from a security POV, I'd recommend always using the latest version of a browser. Ed6767talk!04:31, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
Ed6767, I was hoping it would work with Waterfox Classic, which is a fork of pre-Quantum Firefox 56 with security updates, that still supports my older addons. But for example when I click the "Send Message" or "Send Notice" buttons, nothing happens, and I see this in the browser console:
TypeError: Not enough arguments to Window.postMessage. aad4a2d4-e0b7-0f43-944f-7680b1f66328:1211:13
IamNotU, I would not normally expect this to be a problem. For formatting and security reasons, RedWarn's dialogs run within a sandbox-like frame, so the Wikipedia page itself with RedWarn and the dialog have to communicate and I have provided all required arguments while having no issues on my machine on Firefox (post-quantum ofc) and this API has been supported since Firefox 8- have you checked that waterfox doesn't have a security toggle for this? Ed6767talk!02:11, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
Ed6767, I tried it with a new, clean profile, all default settings. There's little difference between Waterfox and Firefox 56, but I also dug up my old copy of Firefox 56.0.2 and the same thing happens. Works ok in Firefox 77. The only other message I saw was "The character encoding of a framed document was not declared. The document may appear different if viewed without the document framing it. 92c0b60c-1978-3e4c-b747-c564e4a2a855" --IamNotU (talk) 13:04, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
IamNotU, ah. Thanks for the console messages! I appreciate them. On a side note, really, the only privacy browser I do a test on is tor browser, which does work well, be it a bit slow due to the TOR network itself - still, I'm very much against using older versions of browsers for security reasons, one of the main reasons I don't test on them because if one issue went unnoticed, even in unofficial security patches - then that means the entire point of a privacy browser is completely overridden - but I understand the appeal, especially with Firefox Quantum kinda messing everything up. Ed6767talk!13:12, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
Ed6767, I wouldn't call Waterfox a "privacy browser" really - the dev has been downplaying that, especially since he sold out to an ad company... I wish I could just use regular Firefox, but there are some pre-WebExtension addons that I can't seem to do without. I know I'm probably skating on thin ice, since it's diverged so far from Firefox by now, and they're calling it "best effort" security patches. Stuck between a rock and a hard place. Is there anything else I can do to help testing? At the moment I'm trying to figure out why this is happening: [1] on my usual Firefox profile. --IamNotU (talk) 13:36, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
Ed6767, ok, well that's too bad. I've uninstalled it, thanks anyway. Let me know if you can, if it starts working in the future, or if I can do anything to help. --IamNotU (talk) 21:28, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
Trouble Sending Messages with RedWarn
Hey there, I've recently installed the RedWarn plugin and am enjoying it so far, however when I send out a notice or message to a sandbox, and click "Send Message", nothing happens. I don't see my edits in the history, or inside of the page, and as far as I know, there appear to be no JavaScript errors. (I could be wrong on that, though.) Am I doing something wrong? When I first tried it out, there was a spinner and a "Please wait..." at the very bottom of the page, and yet it was spinning for around 2 minutes. Thanks so much in advance, I can't wait to use RedWarn more! –ToxiBoi!(public)12:32, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
@Ed6767: I just checked and it looks like I'm using Edge 44. In none of the tries have I seen a JavaScript error, but I'll keep trying. Also, I can open the dialog boxes just fine by clicking on the icons, but I can't really interact with the dialog boxes themselves — the animation does play out, but nothing happens. I also can't close out the dialog without exiting the page or refreshing. –ToxiBoi!(public)16:58, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
Good to see that RW's feature overview has been converted to text, it's 100x better for accessibility, easier to update, etc. However, I'm wondering where the original image went? It looked amazing with the image placement, something you can't do on a wiki page without lots of css. >>BEANS X2t13:52, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
Just wanted to say I think this tool is genuinely amazing and everything worked as normal, Ofcourse I couldn't test AIV or RFPP but the rollbacks etc worked fine :),
I do have 2 slight issues tho:
1. Maybe it's a preference thing but personally I don't think rollback should be used for "Unexplained content removal" or "non-consecutive edits" - I know the script automatically adds the reason to the edit summary but from my point of view it feels like I'm simply rollbacking them without leaving an edit summary if that makes sense,
2. Not really a big deal but I sort of have a problem with the thumbs up AGF option as that says "rollback" and not "revert" - Again maybe it's a preference thing but I've always considered "rollback" to be immediately reverting without an edit summary whereas I would consider "revert" to be reverting but with an edit summary.
Davey2010, thanks for the feedback! Regarding point 2, did you know that you can change the icon for each rollback option in your preferences by right-clicking them? Ed6767talk!18:25, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
Hi Ed6767, You're welcome, Thanks for inviting me to your tool as if you hadn't I wouldn't of had a clue :),
Sorry ignore #2 - Having re-enabled Twinkle the word "Rollback"'s used for the AGF option, Something I didn't even realise!, I thought they all said Revert!
Davey2010, thanks :) Fyi, RedWarn and Twinkle work well together, so feel free to mix and match features as you go on. I have my Twinkle preferences set to disable the rollback module, however. Ed6767talk!19:06, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
Hi Ed6767, Thing is if I keep Twinkle enabled I'll never use your tool as I've been using Twinkle for like 5-6-7 years now, Not only that but I actually really like your tool and everything about it :), Thanks, –Davey2010Talk20:31, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
I suppose I have to preface this by saying that I haven't tried RedWarn (yet, I've been meaning to get around to it sometime; anyway, I don't know exactly how it works at the moment), although I've been seeing a lot of it lately, and just a bit ago I noticed it on User talk:LA3ENBY for two reasons. The first is that it placed the warning in the first "June 2020" section as opposed to the end of the page (or even the second June 2020 section) - Twinkle created a new section, although I can't say for sure that that's the "right" thing to do, just something I found curious. I suppose it should probably at least do its best to place a newer warning after an older warning. The second is that the other warning was given 21 seconds after mine - is there any chance you could pop up a confirmation prompt if there was another warning placed on that talk page within the last 30-60 seconds? (I think I remember Twinkle doing that once, although I can't say for sure.) Thanks (and I'm looking forward to trying RedWarn at some point)! LittlePuppers (talk) 18:55, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
LittlePuppers, thanks for letting me know. As far as I can tell, RedWarn was operating normally here, so this is more an issue with Twinkle, which should've detected the first date header and appended a notice under it, as RedWarn did - I have no clue why it decided to create - and that would be possible, but then again, a user should review the page first if they're manually submitting a warning through a user page and the chances of an error like this occurring are rare, and one user may prefer to give a more harsh warning. If a user realises an error, they can also revert adding the warning quite quickly so I'll probably think about it - thanks for the suggestion! Ed6767talk!19:15, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
Thanks Ed6767, I just did a quick test and it appears that Twinkle will do that any time there's a section after the "June 2020" (or whatever) section at the end of a talk page (link to the last revision, or just poke through my talk's history - unfortunately I wasn't able to test it on a random subpage). I'm not sure if that's something that should be reported to them (is it a bug?) or if it's something you want to work around. One interesting thing to note is that it did say "Info: no header found for this month, creating new one" or something along those lines (that's not verbatim) while it was placing the second warning, which implies that it might not be intentional. Then again, I can also see the utility of talk pages being fully chronological in that regard. LittlePuppers (talk) 22:07, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
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Hi. I have installed RedWarn and bypassed cache. I'm on a MacBook Air. I'm using Google Chrome, but the Patrol button isn't there. Why is that? one + one19:44, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
User:1+1=thirteen, do you see any errors in your Javascript console (Command+Option+J)? - and do you see RedWarn's controls in the top-right of the page, or in the sidebar (depending on your theme)? Ed6767talk!20:36, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
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Hey Ed6767. I saw the conversation that happened over at WP:AN and am glad to hear you've got the privacy concerns resolved. Have things changed since you've moved the assets under the Wikimedia Foundation? The icons on the top-right corner of each page have disappeared and the context menu doesn't appear anymore. I tried uninstalling and reinstalling the script via Enterprisey's script installer on the RedWarn installation page, but nothing seems to have happened. Is there anything I can do to re-enable it? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:40, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
Tenryuu, sorry about that. Have you tried a Shift-Refresh to flush your browser's cache, and can you also check your browser console for errors? Ed6767talk!22:42, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
Ed6767, I'm running into the following related errors:
Failed to load resource: https://redwarn.toolforge.or_ry-contextmenu.js:1 net::ERR_BLOCKED_BY_CLIENT
Failed to load resource: https://redwarn.toolforge.org/cdn/js/jquery-ui-position.js net::ERR_BLOCKED_BY_CLIENT
Failed to load resource: https://redwarn.toolforge.org/cdn/js/dialogPolyfill.js net::ERR_BLOCKED_BY_CLIENT
Failed to load resource: https://redwarn.toolforge.org/cdn/js/mdl.js net::ERR_BLOCKED_BY_CLIENT
DevTools failed to load SourceMap: Could not load content for https://redwarn.toolforge.org/cdn/css/jquery.contextMenu.min.css.map: HTTP error: status code 404, net::ERR_HTTP_RESPONSE_CODE_FAILURE
Most of end with "blocked by client", so I'm guessing that there's something I need to enable? I'm going to try something first. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:00, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
Ed6767, never mind, I found the issue: it appears now that RedWarn assets are under a new domain, my ScriptSafe extension was blocking it from the new address. I've allowed it and everything seems to be working again. :) —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:01, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
Hi Ed6767, I've been using this tool for a while and while I think it is a great tool, I've noticed a couple issues:
Normally, when I patrol Recent Changes, I set the colours for "may have vandalism", "Likely vandalism", etc. so I can ignore the edits that are almost certainly good faith and those that I likely won't know enough context to make an informed decision. Because RedWarn's Recent Changes tool only shows the +/- of a change, I haven't used the RW Recent Changes Patrol feature much (I can't patrol RC how I normally would).
I'm not sure how much this matters, but I will say it anyway. Using the Multiple Action Tool, I had parsed a user talk page to see a warning and then I clicked on a link from that page, which then caused the window displaying the user talk page to display that page, but it's impossible scroll or close the page without reloading (It also looks like a complete mess).
Username6892, thanks for the feedback. A planned revamp fo RCP is in the works as I understand there are some issues with it. Regarding dialogs following links - it does happen and I'll see if I can work on a fix. Thanks again! Ed6767talk!01:40, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
I like the page protection feature, but it does not include salting (e.g. creation protection). Could you add that within the next few updates? Thanks, ◊PRAHLADbalaji (M•T•A•C) This message was left at 03:24, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
MichaelMaggs, thanks for pointing this out - this was an issue with the page being moved. I've just fixed this so the feedback goes straight to my user page. Ed6767talk!15:10, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
Icon tray in Settings
Hi - a small issue that initially confused me as a new user. Thought I'd start by using all the icons, so in Settings I dragged them down to into what I thought was the 'tray' - the long grey box. Soon found out that the 'tray' is in fact the unlabelled white area above the box. Tried to drag the icons up out of the box, but they wouldn't stick. Eventually realised that you have to drag them to the centre of the white area above the box; dragging up to the left or right does not work. Maybe add a black line around the outside of the tray, so its extent is clearer? MichaelMaggs (talk) 13:50, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
MichaelMaggs, thanks for the feedback! I understand how that could be confusing. In fact, the tray is the gray area at the bottom which hides the options in the "more options" area. Should've worded it better in preferences, and should label and add a border, as you suggested.
Also, now you have rollback permissions, you might want to go into RedWarn preferences > Behavior > Rollback Method and select "Rollback" rather than "Rollback-like" (which is what's selected by default) - this gives you just a little bit of a performance boost when reverting. Ed6767talk!15:20, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
Right-click function, non-template messages to reverted user
Hi Ed, and thanks for providing us with RedWarn. I've been using it for a couple weeks now, and have a couple questions/observations:
Is there a way to retain the native browser right-click menu as well as the RedWarn menu? RedWarn has replaced the native one, at least for me in Firefox, on any user-related link. This means an extra step, e.g. when I right-click on a contributions or talkpage link to open them.
Sometimes when I use one of your rollback options, and am presented with the dialog to leave the reverted user a message, I would like the option to leave my own message instead, or skip the message altogether. I believe the latter is achieved by hitting "cancel" in that dialog, in most cases anyway, though I think I remember, on at least one occasion, that hitting "cancel" aborted the rollback as well. Erictalk13:53, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
Eric, thanks for the feedback! Regarding point 1, in the next version, I'm making RedWarn's right-click menu instead open on Shift+Right-Click by default - and regarding point 2, I'll think about adding a screen that asks you what you'd like to do next, like leaving a quick template, a new talk page message or a new notice and to set one of these as a default, or to just let you be asked every time because I know there are edits that don't warrant a template UW. On the other point, "cancel" on the new notice box shouldn't cancel the rollback - this should only happen on the dialog that asks you for a rollback reason. Thanks again. Ed6767talk!15:09, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
From what I can tell with cancelling dialogue, all that has to be done is just to click "Cancel" at the bottom. You may need to refresh the page to see the revision go through though. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:04, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
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Moving topicons
Hi there! I love your script and it has sped up my life MASSIVELY. I was just wondering, do you know why the script moves all topicons slightly downwards so it over the title line? — Yours, Berrely • Talk∕Contribs08:39, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
Berrely, glad to hear it's working well for you! RedWarn's controls are added to the top icon space, and how this renders depends on your theme and browser. If you find it distracting, you might prefer to place RedWarn's controls in the sidebar - to do this, open RedWarn Preferences > Location of tool icons > Sidebar. Ed6767talk!12:58, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
Ed6767, it's fine, I don't think some misalignment will kill me. But honestly, this is possibly one of the best scripts I have ever used. Thanks for making it. :-D — Yours, Berrely • Talk∕Contribs14:06, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
RedWarn edit summaries should differentiate between rollback and undo
See this diff for an example. The user's edit overrode my rollback, because it was actually an undo (look at the tags), but it gets done with an edit summary saying it was a rollback. This could easily lead to confusion - it'd be better to use "undo" and "rollback" with their actual MediaWiki meanings. Naypta ☺ | ✉ talk page | 14:24, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
Naypta, thanks for the feedback - regarding the diff, there was a bug there which I need to look into - but I will be changing the edit summaries based on this feedback - thanks :) Ed6767talk!15:02, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
@Ed6767: Hi. My internet is slightly slow, so whenever I use Redwarn and someone else reverts the vandalism or edits before me, the person who reverted the vandalism gets reverted (about half the time). Is there any way to get around this problem? --Incagnito (talk) 03:11, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
This bug is known and is being fast-tracked. It should be fixed within the next few hours following the standard testing process. As this is a new tool, you may encounter bugs such as this but we strive to have them corrected as soon as possible. The advise to users to drop all counter vandalism tools and to manually revert using the undo feature is rather ill advised for the fact that you have to dig manually through the revision history, then manually edit the old revision then submit it, then manually find the appropriate UW, head to that users page, leave the UW then if they need reporting to AIV to manually add it to the list and follow a very tedious process as you might expect. If everyone did this, vandalism patrol would become a much, much more tedious job with far more room for errors, hence the existence of Twinkle, RW, Huggle and all the others. Again, sorry for the inconvenience this bug has caused and we're working hard to get it fixed ASAP. Ed6767talk!10:16, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
@Incagnito and Blablubbs: The issue was with how pseudo rollback works - on slower internet connections or at times when a split second revert happened during the time between checking that this is the latest revision, then reverting it. I've made a temporary solution (which is now live) that has an extra check to ensure that the edit intending to be reverted hasn't been reverted already immediately before applying it - the next version will have a full solution for this. If you encounter the bug again, please let me know. Ed6767talk!14:09, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
@Ed6767: Thanks! That is great! Just wondering, do I have to install a new version of RedWarn, re-install Redwarn, or download a patch to get the fix? --Incagnito (talk)
@Incagnito: As a userscript, you should get the fix immediately without any extra changes, however you may need to refresh your browser cache by holding shift and clicking the reload button. Ed6767talk!21:05, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
Question regarding the "Rollback" feature of Redwarn.
How do I use the rollback feature of Redwarn? I clicked the button and a box popped up asking for a reason for the rollback. Once I type something and hit the blue "Rollback" button, what is supposed to happen? For me, nothing happens. Is it supposed to do this? Thanks. --Incagnito (talk) 02:35, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
Incagnito, by clicking on the button it should do the rollback for you automatically. When the new dialogue box pops up asking for a reason, a small popup at the bottom of the screen should appear saying that the changes have been reverted. Check the history after pressing the button to confirm it's gone through. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:28, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
Ed6767. I've downloaded the latest version and am using it, yet the rollback feature still does not work for me. Do I need to restart my computer or allow certain settings? I still get the same error message in the console when I try to use the rollback feature. --Incagnito (talk) 02:48, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
hi, I installed the script per the 'youtube' video, however when I click the alert change its not advising me of any changes on a page I mark it to (it goes from green back to black) Im not very good at technical stuff, what am I doing wrong?, thank you--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 20:41, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
Ozzie10aaaa, have you enabled notifications for Wikipedia? Make sure they're not disabled - you can test the feature by turning it on in one tab in your sandbox (green bell) then editing it in a different tab and seeing if the first tab responds. Ed6767talk!00:51, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
Hey there everyone, hope you're all doing well. Just a heads up. When I roll back from contribs pages (like for mass vandals), click the blue "rb" link, and put in the edit summary, it doesn't show up in the history page. For example here (I meant to put "rm spam" as a summary. This is easily fixed. Thanks! ◊PRAHLADbalaji (M•T•A•C) This message was left at 00:00, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
SuperGoose007, thanks for the question. I'm still thinking about that - but as web JS doesn't support the IRC protocol I have to use a proxy to access it and allow for communication, but I think adding HAN would be good to unify counter vandalism efforts. Ed6767talk!11:11, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
Very small bug
Hi Ed6767! Just wanted to say how much I like RedWarn! It's very easy to use, and it looks a lot cleaner than Twinkle (imo). Another great thing about it is that I only found one mistake! In the little message that pops up at the bottom when creating a notice about username/userpage problems, it says "Username notices should not be added for blatent violations."
Another really minor issue, also in the warning window, is that if you select a reason, close the drop-down, and open it again, it's blank. Scrolling up and down a few times fixes it, though! Again, thanks for making this super useful addon! TuskDeer (talk) 08:11, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
TuskDeer, thanks for the feedback! Apologies for the late response - that issue is with the list animation taking a while to catch up, we're seeing if we can fix this too. Thanks for pointing out that typo too, it's been fixed. Ed6767talk!21:10, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
Need Translator
Hello! This page is translating into zh:Wikipedia:RedWarn. I would be very glad if anyone knows Chinese and helps me translating. By the way, I hope the RedWarn will be very useful even beyond our imagination! --SkEy (talk) 08:34, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
I have been creating welcome template packs for a while now. However, there is no built-in welcome feature for RedWarn. Many other countervandalism tools have built-in welcome features. Why is this not implemented? And if it is, what welcomes will be there? ◊PRAHLADbalaji (M•T•A•C) This message was left at 20:30, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
Prahlad balaji, yes, sorry, I've been a bit busy with development and learning and managing some new systems for RW so have only had time to respond to queries - I'll have to think about this some more, but would much prefer the quick template method, then adding some built-in for future versions. Ed6767talk!16:31, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
There's something that bothers me, both on Twinkle and Redwarn. Whenever I reverse any vandalism or send a warning, that page automatically enters my watchlist, which ends up disrupting my list. I don't always want to have such pages on my watchlist. I wish it were possible to choose whether or not I want to have such a page on my watchlist. I'll thank. ✍A.WagnerC (talk) 19:07, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
Service update - RedWarn Tools HANGateway 00:51, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
Yes, within the first 15 mins of deployment the proxy crashed due to a bug. Working on it. During redeployment, they will go down again. Ed6767talk!00:51, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
OAuth prompt
Ed6767, Can you confirm what the OAuth prompt popup text is please? I got it, and I'm pretty sure it's along the lines of "Huggle needs you to verify your account to function"; I don't think it actually mentions RedWarn until you then click it, at which point you then get the standard OAuth prompt which shows the request is coming from RedWarn Tools HANgateway. I was all ready to report it as a malicious script before I saw that it was from you deploying an update - could you possibly amend the language in that popup to be clearer? Best, Darren-Mtalk00:57, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
Darren-M, it reads "Verify your account identity to access the Huggle anti-vandalism network." - I thought as it was being sent from a RedWarn UI element it might be unambiguous enough, but I might have to think that through again due to those issues. I've had to disable HAN temporarily due to server issues, however. It may be restored once they're all fixed. Ed6767talk!01:09, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
Ed6767, I think that relies on people using RedWarn often enough to recognise the UI elements, which probably isn't always the case. I have it installed, but rarely use it. Something like 'RedWarn needs you to verify your account identity so it can access the Huggle anti-vandalism network' would be better. Darren-Mtalk01:11, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
Worth noting I got the popup without having clicked any RedWarn elements - I wasn't just forgetting what a button did! Darren-Mtalk01:15, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
The w and en are there for linking to the English Wikipedia. Otherwise, it will link on whatever WMF project it's on. 99.999% of the time, it's a redlink.
Can I Log In (talk) 00:59, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
Hi Ed6767, when I use the "UAA report" in the ARV module of RedWarn, it reports to AIV (for example here). Also I'd like to know what the huggle thingy in RW is. ◊PRAHLADbalaji (M•T•A•C) This message was left at 01:07, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
Odd string of text appears when leaving a notice on talk page.
Hey, Ed6767, thanks for implementing the "notice interface" as an option rather than an inevitable follow-up. I left a notice on a user's talk page, and while the feature is working as intended, a string of text appears above it: No search results found for section "noticeApplied-968386842-0" in archives. It may have been removed or renamed, or you may have followed a malformed link.
Hey Tenryuu, and thanks for pointing this out! The issue seems to be with the way RedWarn handles undoing notices, since the old and new revision IDs are stored in the URL after a notice has been posted. This ends up as the noticeApplied-968386842-0 on the URL. It just so happens that the way it stores the IDs is in a hash parameter, which is also used to point to a section of the article. Since find-archived-section looks for a section matching this name across all archived pages, it'll look for a section called noticeApplied-968386842-0 across all archived pages. Since it won't find one (unless there's the small chance that the article actually has this section), the error shows up on the top of the page.
Since RedWarn still does its job, you can simply ignore that warning for now. If it's a bother to you, you can put this in your common.js file to remove that warning.
$(function() {
if (window.location.hash.includes("#noticeApplied-"))
document.head.innerHTML += "<style>.archived-section-prompt{display:none}</style>"
});
Chlod, no worries. Glad to hear that this is a known conflict between the two scripts. I'll keep that code in mind if I find it to be bothersome. Cheers! —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:18, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
Huggle chat
Hi Ed6767, when I first got RW15, I saw a "Huggle chat" icon, which is gone now. Please tell me how to recover it. Also, I'd like to know what "Huggle chat" is. Regards, ◊PRAHLADbalaji (M•T•A•C) This message was left at 21:21, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
Prahlad balaji, the Huggle anti-vandalism network features were disabled due to server issues. It is intended to be a network for users of semi-automated tools to discuss and also will log rollbacks and warnings. Ed6767talk!21:27, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
Hi Ed- Have you considered adding a button for rolling back edits by a suspected sockpuppet? I know you can't crowd the tool with too many options, but I wondered if you thought that one might be useful. Also, if you'll tolerate a wee nit-pick from an incorrigible copyeditor: the automatic edit summary for presumed good-faith edits is missing the hyphen in "good-faith". Thanks again for this helpful tool! Erictalk18:23, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
Eric, I don't think a suspected sock canned rollback option would be worthwhile as it isn't a very common reason for a majority of editors - I'd think that just using the ordinary "rollback" feature would work well here. Ed6767talk!19:09, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
Ok, thanks. Making good use of the tool (I think) -- thanks again!
ps- RedWarn doesn't offer any userpage template messages beyond the stock ones that are available via Twinkle's "warn", do you? I'm always wishing there were one asking users not to add superfluous blue links (WP:OVERLINK). Erictalk19:17, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
Eric, not at the moment, but I'm open to suggestions - In the meantime, you can actually add your own templates to RedWarn and share them with other editors via the quick template feature if you like. Ed6767talk!19:20, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
@Ed6767: This might be a crazy suggestion, but I was thinking that can a page(somewhere, I don't know) be created that automatically keeps track of all edits made using RW. I know that would be a lot of edits but maybe you could clear it once a week and announce who used RW the most during the week. Just an idea, I don't know if it's even possible. Cheers,Geekpotato24(talk to me!)15:16, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Ed6767talk!23:51, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
User3749, maybe, it'd be fairly trivial to implement but I'd have to think about it - by the way, RedWarn does already provide many quick rollback reasons, including reverting BLP policy violations - by default, these are in the "more options" menu, but in your preferences, you can click and drag the icons around into the order you like. Ed6767talk!12:59, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
I would really love to have this feature, too, as some of the default edit comments don't quite fit the sort of reverts I'm doing quite as well as I'd like. MichaelMaggs (talk) 12:45, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
Review the default edit comments for user notices
Is there somewhere I can find a list of all the default edit comments for user notices, or could the list be posted here? It would be good to review these, as at least two of them seem overemphatic and imply bad faith or blame even at the lower levels where the reverted edit was simply a new editor doing their best. The wording of the notices themselves is good, but sometimes the edit comment does not match. For example:
The notice for Factual errors uses the edit comment "(Note: Adding spam links)". It would be better if that said "Notice of unnecessary/inappropriate external links"
The notice for No reliable source uses the comment "(Note: Introducing deliberate factual errors)". It would be better if that said "Notice of likely factual errors". MichaelMaggs (talk) 13:05, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
MichaelMaggs, thanks for the feedback - the edit summaries are bound to the name of the description of the template series - we're currently working on a completely new version of RedWarn that will resolve many of these issues. Ed6767talk!13:10, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
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