Wikipedia talk:CheckUser/Archive 5
Declaration of possible conflict of interestI have just accepted a contractual position with the Wikimedia Foundation, and posted a full disclosure with details and an invitation for community comments here. — Coren (talk) 21:24, 12 February 2013 (UTC) Community consultation: Remit of the Ombudsman CommissionOn Monday 4 March, the Ombudsman Commission will be flying to San Francisco for three days to take part in a series of meetings at the Wikimedia Foundation offices regarding the Ombudsman Commission. One of the topics that will be discussed is what we (the Commission and Foundation) think the remit of the Commission is, and what the remit should be. Of course, at present the Commission's remit is strictly to investigate allegations of violations of the privacy policy, so any abuse of the checkuser tool not involving privacy policy violations is handled by local wiki processes (ArbCom and the Audit Subcommittee on enwiki). The Commission would like to invite the comment of the English Wikipedia community on what they feel the remit of the Ombudsman Commission should be. As one of the English Wikipedia Commission members, I will present your views during the meetings, so they can be discussed, considered, and given appropriate weight. Please bear in the mind the time constraints here; I'm flying in one week, and need time to read any remarks you have, so please write as soon as possible! To help guide your answers, some questions for you to consider are given below, but you do not have to answer these either directly or indirectly if you feel your answer is adequate without doing so. Questions:
If you have any questions, feel free to ask here or email me. If you prefer IRC, my current nick of choice is SuctionCups and you can find me in #wikipedia-en. For the Ombudsman Commission, --(ʞɿɐʇ) ɐuɐʞsǝp 15:04, 25 February 2013 (UTC) CommentsYes. Separation of powers is good, and I think having a WMF appointed committee is preferred for ensuring WMF's privacy policy is maintained. AUSC should investigate first. NE Ent 15:20, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
The Ombudsman Commission could have appellate jurisdiction on the English Wikipedia for AUSC cases and have original jurisdiction for tool misuse by current members of arbcom and the AUSC. I am not sure arbcom investigating itself would be a best practice.
--Guerillero | My Talk 19:00, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
Snowolf, to clarify, we obviously cannot expand our own remit like that. That would require approval from the WMF. This is one of the purposes of our trip to the office, to talk to the WMF about what they want from us, what we want from them, and what the community wants from us. This depends on what the community wants. If the resounding opinion is that the community is happy with AUSC then I will strongly advocate that, should the remit of the Commission change, that we defer requests to AUSC as appropriate. Should the community want a more independent review body then I will strongly advocate for that. You seem to be of the opinion that AUSC is the better way of doing things, is that correct? --(ʞɿɐʇ) ɐuɐʞsǝp 10:19, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
Suggested updatePer the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Arbitration Committee#I demand you all step down, perhaps it might be a good idea to add the following information under Wikipedia:CheckUser#Hints and tips
Any other suggestions are most welcome. 64.40.54.87 (talk) 20:26, 2 March 2013 (UTC) Done NE Ent 14:25, 16 March 2013 (UTC) Proposed prohibition on undoing an oversight blockCheckusers, could I ask you to take a look at my proposal at Wikipedia talk:Blocking policy#Proposed prohibition on undoing an oversight block? Prioryman Checkuser accuracyI found J. delanoy's initial explanation on the arbitration committee noticeboard talk to be a well thought out, detailed explanation of their actions consistent with maintaining the privacy policies of the project. While I have some reservations about the use of checkuser, these originate much more from the documented fail in blocking Int21h than the MF / George incident. I choose not to raise my concerns on AC/N as I consider it secondary to the primary issues in that case. I was surprised to come to the realization from Risker's comment on WTT's talk page[1] that CU routinely conduct off wiki operations; my first thought is she was wrong on policy as Handling suspected sock puppets encourages users to request investigations on-wiki. A more careful review of applicable policy pages had me come to the realization I was wrong; secret CU operations are within policy. That doesn't mean it's a good idea. The follow up nitpicking posted in reply to J.delanoy's explanation was admittedly excessive, but J.delanoy comparing themself and/or the checkuser community to quantum physicists is insulting, arrogant, and shows a real of lack of understanding quantum physicists. To wit:
The checkuser mystique appears to be based on:
If I'm reading ListUsers correctly there are only 39 CUs out of a population of 136,201 ({{NUMBEROFACTIVEUSERS}}); that's 0.0286 % of the wikipedia community. If there was ever a recipe for Confirmation bias this seems to be it. Given that years of fulltime scholarship have unable to resolve the Shakespeare authorship question, what makes ya'll think you can reliably tell if two users are the same? Some concrete questions:
(unindent) SPI initiated checks are not a minority. This is a small sample size, so the inference one can make from it is limited, but let's look at the last 50 checks. 9 of the last 50 checks were related to account creation requests from the account creation tool. 3 were related to the handling of an unblock request made on a user's talk page. Almost all of the other 38 were either directly or indirectly related to SPI cases; some were direct investigations into currently open cases, others were follow-ups of older cases (for example, to check for new sleeper accounts). There were also one or two checks that were clearly run by a second checkuser who was double-checking the results of the first checkuser (by request of the first). A more detailed study into this would be very time consuming, but this hopefully gives some indication. --(ʞɿɐʇ) ɐuɐʞsǝp 14:54, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
References Audit Subcommittee vacancies: Call for applications (2013)The Arbitration Committee is seeking to appoint three non-arbitrator members to the Audit Subcommittee ("AUSC"). The Committee is comprised of six members and is tasked with investigations concerning the use of CheckUser and Oversight privileges on the English Wikipedia. The AUSC also monitors CheckUser and Oversight activity and use of the applicable tools. The current non-arbitrator members are Avraham, MBisanz, and Ponyo, whose terms were to expire on February 28 but were extended with their agreement until April 30 by the Committee. Matters brought before the subcommittee may be time-sensitive and subcommittee members should be prepared and available to discuss cases promptly so they may be resolved in a timely manner. Sitting subcommittee members are expected to actively participate in AUSC proceedings and may be replaced should they become inactive. All subcommittee members are given both CheckUser and Oversight access but are expected to not make regular use of them unless needed. They are subject to the relevant local and global policies and guidelines concerning CheckUser and Oversight. If you think you may be suitably qualified, please email arbcom-en-clists.wikimedia.org to start the application procedure for an appointment ending 30 June 2014. The application period will close at 23:59, 1 April 2013 (UTC). Further information is also available here. For the Arbitration Committee, Fishing?(Discussion arose on AN under "User:Evangp unblock request" [3], moved here) Evangp (talk · contribs) was blocked for socking in September 2010. He used socks; the last was 6 months ago, Buttchunker (talk · contribs). There's no indication of any activity from him since then. DeltaQuad performed a checkuser [4]. In the procedural policy, WP:FISHING is defined as, "to check an account where there is no credible evidence to suspect sockpuppetry. Checks are inappropriate unless there is evidence suggesting abusive sock-puppetry." As CU can only see back a few months, and there is no indication of any activity since 6 months ago, this seems to fit the definition of fishing. 88.104.27.2 (talk) 16:04, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
Audit Subcommittee vacancies: last call for applicationsThis is a reminder that the application period for the three non-arbitrator seats on the Audit Subcommittee will close at 23:59, 1 April 2013 (UTC), less than 36 hours from now. The Audit Subcommittee ("AUSC") is comprised of six members and is tasked with investigations concerning the use of CheckUser and Oversight privileges on the English Wikipedia. The AUSC also monitors CheckUser and Oversight activity and use of the applicable tools. The current non-arbitrator members are Avraham, MBisanz, and Ponyo, whose terms were to expire on February 28 but were extended with their agreement until April 30 by the Committee. Matters brought before the subcommittee may be time-sensitive and subcommittee members should be prepared and available to discuss cases promptly so they may be resolved in a timely manner. Sitting subcommittee members are expected to actively participate in AUSC proceedings and may be replaced should they become inactive. All subcommittee members are given both CheckUser and Oversight access but are expected to not make regular use of them unless needed. They are subject to the relevant local and global policies and guidelines concerning CheckUser and Oversight. Please note that due to Wikimedia Foundation rules governing access to deleted material, only applications from administrators will be accepted. If you think you may be suitably qualified, please email arbcom-en-clists.wikimedia.org to start the application procedure for an appointment ending 30 June 2014. Once again, the application period will close at 23:59, 1 April 2013 (UTC). Further information is also available here. For the Arbitration Committee, T. Canens (talk) 14:57, 31 March 2013 (UTC) Audit Subcommittee appointments (2013): Invitation to comment on candidatesThe Arbitration Committee is seeking to appoint at least three non-arbitrator members to the Audit Subcommittee, and is now seeking comments from the community regarding the candidates who have volunteered for this role. Interested parties are invited to review the appointments page containing the nomination statements supplied by the candidates and their answers to a few standard questions. Community members may also pose additional questions and submit comments about the candidates on the individual nomination subpages or privately via email to arbcom-en-clists.wikimedia.org. Following the consultation phase, the committee will take into account the answers provided by the candidates to the questions and the comments offered by the community (both publicly and privately) along with any other relevant factors before making a final decision regarding appointments. The consultation phase is scheduled to end 23:59, 17 April 2013 (UTC), and the appointments are scheduled to be announced by 28 April 2013. For the Arbitration Committee, NameShouldn't users who have access to the CheckUser tool really be known as "CheckUserers" or "CheckUserUsers"? ;) FrigidNinja 01:08, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
RFC regarding the scope of the Ombudsman CommissionThe Ombudsman Commission is currently holding a request for comment. Currently, the Commission only hears complaints regarding the privacy policy. We propose to change the scope of the Commission to also include hearing complaints about the global Checkuser and m:Oversight policy policies. For more information please visit the RFC, which can be found at m:Requests for comment/Scope of Ombudsman Commission. Please direct all questions and comments there. For the Ombudsman Commission, --(ʞɿɐʇ) ɐuɐʞsǝp 21:24, 6 May 2013 (UTC) Why not check banned users?I'm not exactly active in the areas of administration that would require me to use CheckUser services that frequently, so I apologize in advance if this is a naive suggestion—but why don't we do a procedural checkuser of anyone who is issued a formal ban (i.e. by the community or by ArbCom)? It would mean we could find the existence of any other sleeper accounts the person might use to circumvent the ban, and if it happens to be a "bad hand" account of another user, we would be able to find the master. The only objection I can think to this offhand is an argument that this constitutes fishing, but if they have violated other policies so grievously that they have been asked to permanently leave the project, I would argue that they are in a position of not being trusted to have followed the sockpuppet policy anyway. —Scott5114↗ [EXACT CHANGE ONLY] 18:05, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
2013 CheckUser and Oversight appointments: Call for applicationsThe Arbitration Committee is seeking to appoint additional users to the CheckUser and Oversight teams. Experienced editors are invited to apply for either or both of the permissions, and current holders of either permission are also invited to apply for the other. Successful candidates are likely to be regularly available and already familiar with local and global processes, policies, and guidelines especially those concerning CheckUser and Oversight. CheckUser candidates are expected to be technically proficient, and previous experience with OTRS is beneficial for Oversight candidates. Trusted users who frequent IRC are also encouraged to apply for either permission. All candidates must at least 18 years of age; have attained legal majority in their jurisdiction of residence; and be willing to identify to the Wikimedia Foundation prior to receiving permissions. If you think you may be suitably qualified, please see the appointments page for further information. The application period is scheduled to close 22 July 2013. For the Arbitration Committee, — ΛΧΣ21 22:03, 8 July 2013 (UTC) 2013 CheckUser and Oversight appointments: Invitation to comment on candidatesThe Arbitration Committee is seeking to appoint additional users to the CheckUser and Oversight teams, and is now seeking comments from the community regarding the candidates who have volunteered for this role. Interested parties are invited to review the appointments page containing the nomination statements supplied by the candidates and their answers to a few standard questions. Community members may also pose additional questions and submit comments about the candidates on the individual nomination subpages or privately via email to arbcom-en-clists.wikimedia.org. Following the consultation phase, the committee will take into account the answers provided by the candidates to the questions and the comments offered by the community (both publicly and privately) along with all other relevant factors before making a final decision regarding appointments. The consultation phase is scheduled to end 23:59, 16 August 2013 (UTC), and the appointments are scheduled to be announced by 24 August 2013. For the Arbitration Committee, Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 05:06, 5 August 2013 (UTC) Motion proposed regarding activity levels for holders of both CU and OS toolsA motion has been proposed regarding activity levels for holders of both CU and OS tools. If you wish to comment, please join the discussion at the motion on the motions page. Thanks. Carcharoth (talk) 01:55, 30 November 2013 (UTC) Please review these checkuser blocksPlease review the indef IP CU blocks at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject on open proxies/IP indefblock review 2014/CU blocks. Thanks. -- zzuuzz (talk) 08:40, 23 December 2013 (UTC) |