This article is up for deletion, I feel it should be kept, please check it & see what we can do with it.Teeninvestor (talk)
I will see what I can do, the subject sounds very rich and wonderful, a typical article which is the reason wikipedia is so incredible, and unfortunately a common article put up for deletion. Did you add a {{rescue}} template to the article? That is the very best way to alert others that you want to save an article, so, if the article is worthy, they can come and rewrite the article, and add references to the article. Ikip (talk) 07:29, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
Saving Wikipedia from what? The ARS is tagging probably as much articles that end up (rightfully) deleted as articles that get kept: perhaps we can add "trying to make Wikipedia more useless, one article at a time" as well, to honour all the incorrect taggings? Every good-faith editor is trying to help Wikipedia, be it through creating, improving, merging, or deleting articles. To act as if the ARS "saves" Wikipedia is not the most cooperative or realistic attitude. Fram (talk) 11:23, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
How many articles examples would that the ARS saved from deletion? I sense from your general tone, that no number would be enough to satisfy you of the utility of this project.
"trying to make Wikipedia more useless, one article at a time"
Plummeted? "Slightly declined" is the term you are looking for.Wikipedia:Size_of_Wikipedia#Annual_growth_rateWikipedia:Editing_frequency. As for my creations: I don't really care what other people think about them, you have the right to your own opinion. But in my opinion, there are many articles where Wikipedia serves as the secondary source, not the tertiary source it should be: letting these articles exist makes Wikipedia more useless as an encyclopedia. They may be useful for people interested in that information, just like a how-to guide is useful for many readers and would still make Wikipedia more useless.
Anyway, I have not stated or implied that this project can't be useful, but the self-righteous tone of the picture caption portrays this project as some holy brigade, not as a bunch of fallible editors with the same overall goal as every good-faith editor, i.e. a better Wikipedia, but with a particular opinion of how to reach that goal. Fram (talk) 12:28, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
Any other suggestions? We have this free daily newspaper in the area that I live in. It really turn me off, because it is so partisan. I think that you can get an effective message out better by being less partisan. Please feel free to edit this page, and/or give me any suggestions. I want editors to feel like ARS is trying to improve wikipedia, not that we are pushing a partisan message. Ikip (talk) 14:49, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
Absolutely. Unless they are part of the Article Rescue Squadron, I don't think its right for them to go around removing rescue tags. I fully support this. (You can't remove a rescue tag...thats...thats just wrong...I'm not here long enough to find the policy, but I'm sure it interferes with the afd process). He shouldn't be taking preemptive actions before a consensus is reached.Smallman12q (talk) 22:02, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
Absolutely, but the idea of rescuing is surely improving an article so it isn't deleted. This article doesn't need improving, the AfD is only deciding whether it's needed (because most of it is a copy of another article). Black Kite22:26, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
Articles can always be improved, but in this AfD that isn't the important thing. Anyway, it looks like it'll be kept, so it doesn't really matter. Black Kite
AfDs are not the place to create policy. Maybe the AfD should be closed. I agree with Smallman12q that any article up for Afd, at the discretion of the editor can be tagged with Rescue. He also removed the rescue tag again. Ikip (talk) 07:18, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
They aren't the place to write budget legislature, either. They are, however, the place to debate the utility or necessity or practicality of an article; the practice of deleting redundant content is older than VFD.
One thing I see interwoven in the comments above which probably should be clarified: one need not be a member of a particular project to add or remove tags from any page.
And further, per WP:BOLD/WP:BRD, if someone Boldly makes an edit (adds a tag), and someone else Reverts (removes the tag), the next step is Discuss, not "re-add". WP:3RR applies keenly.
Belief that someone else is "right" or "wrong", or has such-n-such motivations, or anyone's past actions, all needn't be discussed here. Perhaps just focus on whether it's appropriate to place this specific tag on this specific page? The "why" or "why not" in particular... - jc3707:34, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
Eh, I see a {{rescue}} is more similar to a {{db-band}} or other speedy criteria: Removal by an involved person is itself a coi (small letters) edit. That is, the person AfDing an article should never remove a rescue tag. Rather, s/he should explain on the talk page why s/he believes a rescue isn't appropriate. On the other hand, if there's a merge being contemplated, when a rescue may not be at all appropriate, then an AfD is generally not needed. I think AfD scope creep ("I want this merged and to make it stick...") is responsible for the confusion over which articles are rescuable. Simple rule: if it's up for deletion, it should be eligible for rescue. Jclemens (talk) 16:55, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
Bottom line being that tagging it for rescue can result in the article being improved for the betterment of wiki... just as does tagging one for sources or cleanup. Not wanting an article to be improved is a dis-service to all of wiki. Schmidt,MICHAEL Q.19:08, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
Template:Rescue is not a speedy deletion template (or any kind of deletion template), so no, it falls under BOLD/BRD, just like any other project template. - jc3722:53, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
WikiProject Coordinators' working group
Hi! I'd like to draw your attention to the new WikiProject coordinators' working group, an effort to bring both official and unofficial WikiProject coordinators together so that the projects can more easily develop consensus and collaborate. This group has been created after discussion regarding possible changes to the A-Class review system, and that may be one of the first things discussed by interested coordinators.
All designated project coordinators are invited to join this working group. If your project hasn't formally designated any editors as coordinators, but you are someone who regularly deals with coordination tasks in the project, please feel free to join as well. -Drilnoth (talk) 00:33, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
thanks for the message, but I am left with the question, how does this help us? You should rewrite your invitation to address that question more thoroughly, you will probably get a better response as a result. Ikip (talk) 08:41, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
Basically, it's a way to get the official and unofficial coordinators of different projects together to discuss improvements to WikiProjects in general. Although it will probably be geared more towards topical projects rather than the "universal" projects like this one, it would be nice to have a representative. Discussions will probably include things like assessment variations, making projects into task forces or merging them together, and helping out projects that need assistance. It would be nice to have at least one person from each project "representing", in a way, their project in discussions which can potentially change WikiProject organization and setup. -Drilnoth (talk) 15:27, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
ok I get that you don't have to be an inclusionist to join the ARS, but is it really necessary to publicly declare that you're NOT? Machete97 (talk) 11:46, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
You need to swear it in front of a justice of the peace, with a penalty of a $50,000 fine or up to five years in prison for violation.
I'm a little surprised that any non article page pops in google. This also makes me curious as to what was such a big deal? -- Banjeboi00:49, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
I just received an invitation to join this WikiProject on my talk page, something I see many users seem to have received. I'm glad I did (thanks Ikip for the invitation) as I'd not been aware of the project and it certainly seems of interest, but I'm just wondering whether this (invitation posting) is an ongoing thing, or is it part of a recent drive to get more users involved in this for some reason? Are we planning some campaign, or just recruiting for the sake of increasing activity in general? ɹəəpıɔnı23:21, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
I do not even pretend to represent the diverse 200 plus membership of the Article Rescue Squadron. I don't speak for anyone but myself. No one ask me to ask other editors to join this project, I did it completely on my own. I simply want to rescue articles that deserve to be rescued, and make wikipedia a better encyclopedia, I truly believe in the vision of Jimmy Wales:
"Imagine a world in which every single person on the planet is given free access to the sum of all human knowledge. That's what we're doing."
I hope that answered your question. I hope you joined, and you can help us make recently nominated for deletion articles worthy of wikipedia. Thanks for the question. Ikip (talk) 01:59, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
Welcome
I just welcomed all of the new ARS members with this:
Welcome to Article Rescue Squadron {{PAGENAME}}, a dynamic list of articles needing to be rescued, which changes with new updates, can be found here:
Articles tagged for deletion and rescue
Category Articles tagged for deletion and rescue not found
I look forward to working with you in the future. ~~~~
Coding:
==Welcome to the Article Rescue Squadron! ==
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! align="left" | WELCOME
| align="right" | <small>from a <font color="black">[[WP:ARS|Article Rescue Squad]] member</font></small>
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Welcome to [[WP:ARS|Article Rescue Squadron]] {{PAGENAME}}, a dynamic list of articles needing to be rescued, which changes with new updates, can be found here:
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!align="left" width="700"|Articles tagged for deletion and rescue
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I look forward to working with you in the future. ~~~~
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