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No, sorry. Gas is cheap now, so I don't have that excuse. The real reason is I don't have a digital camera, and my mom's digital camera doesn't work for what ever reason. I tried to take pics with it for clothes to sell on ebay with no luck. I plan on getting one, hopefully soon, then I'll take some pics for ya! I'll watch page you, so I remember who the pics are for! :) CTJF83Talk08:39, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
Wake up WP:LGBT! It's time to kick in gear and get some things done!
Project News
Wake up!
I say this to myself as much as I say it to all of us. I work a lot by myself or with individual editors who spend time at Featured Article Candidates. It seems on November 5 a fog was lifted off my brain that helped me realize that we have massive potential in this project to get things done. Take this allegory, for instance: On Wednesday, Nov. 5, 1980, my 10th-grade American history teacher started class by unfurling The New York Times. She pointed to its triple banner headline: “Reagan Easily Beats Carter; Republicans Gain in Congress; D’Amato and Dodd are Victors.” “Save this paper,” she told us. “This is the start of a whole new era.”Judith Warner from The New York Times
It definitely seems a start to a whole new era now. If planets align correctly to remind us that whatever advances we may have made in electing what appears to be an extraordinary president in the US, the moons that revolve around those planets also serve to illustrate it's not that simple. Florida, Arizona, and California all appear to have banned same sex marriage. As someone who was married in California and lives in Florida, this is particularly poignant. We seem to be at the juncture of two converging paths. If we maximize our efforts and take the right ones, we might just be able to affect some change for ourselves.
Though what we do is an interesting hobby for some, we have the power to make a difference. California's ballot initiative to ban gay marriage was a fierce fight. It's being challenged right now, but just look at how Wikipedia played a role in that: in October 2008, 360,238 people read its article. On November 5, an astounding 467,000 people read it. I commend the editors who work on that article—both those who support and oppose it. A look at the talk page shows a concerted effort to keep it civil and accurate.
What can we do?
How do you fight ignorance? With information. That's what Wikipedia is for. This project is overwhelming with 8,576 articles in its scope. We can continue to work piecemeal as we have in the past, or we can focus on goals. These are examples of areas we can concentrate on.
Current political events
LGBT Media and Literature
LGBT History
Sex and sexuality
Articles about political issues in the US and around the world that have been especially relevant within the past 5 years
Depictions of LGBT people and issues on television, film, newspapers, magazines
Topics about gay rights activism and the opposition to it
There are more than 8,000 articles to work on. Can we build a list of priorities? Can we build enough enthusiasm to work on these? What if we had editors who oversaw progress in these areas and reported to the talk page or in the newsletter? Surely someone here wants to report on the progress of sex articles.
Tony Perkins (irony) from the conservative Family Research Councilwas heartened by the recent passages of gay marriage bans. The Republican Party is without direction. What's going to take the place of a moderate voice will not be pleasant to our ears. Watching and improving articles of subjects that have opposed gay rights in the past will be of vital importance very soon, I predict.
But WP:LGBT is not a very active project
All we can do is start somewhere. The first step is answering this newsletter on the project talk page. Join in the discussion.
More things we can do
Give out more barnstars, and let each other know that what they're doing is valued.
Create a guide to stave off burnout, because editors in this project get burned out faster than others. There are many hills to climb.
Bring back the monthly collaboration project.
Participate in LGBT Peer reviews.
Get familiar with the characteristics of Good Articles and get our top priority articles to WP:GA.
Use the Newsletter, Moni3! You can suggest what to send out in the newsletter, too!
Offer research materials, copy editing, ideas, and support to your fellow editors.
Keep the project talk page informed of problems and discussions we should know about.
Proposal: Put Importance Levels on articles
If this was decided long before I was a member, maybe it's time to revisit it. Other WikiProjects, such as WP:Novels determine that some subjects have an importance category: Top, High, Mid, Low, or None (undetermined). If we decide that our most core articles, it might help to organize which articles to address first. Top importance, for example, would be Gay, Homosexual, Lesbian, Bisexual, Transgender, Sappho, Oscar Wilde, Stonewall riots, for example. High importance would be Homosexuality and psychology, Harvey Milk, Mattachine Society, Harry Hay, or Daughters of Bilitis, and so on. This can be a matter of discussion, or perhaps we could have someone in charge of determining these levels for all the articles we have tagged.
These are the editors I've seen working (and I know I'm forgetting a few). There's more of you out there I haven't seen. Some of you are new. We need all of you. Please help.
Miami, January 18, 1977 after the gay rights ordinance was passed: While Bryant and the others were creating the beginnings of the repeal effort, (gay activists) Basker, Campbell, Kunst, and the other (gay rights) ordinance supporters congratulated themselves on their success and then quickly disbanded... There was no organized recognition or celebration of the victory. As one activist remembered, "We just went home." They had little idea of the battle that was before them. - Fred Fejes in Gay Rights and Moral Panic, 2008
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Wikipedia prefers the double quotation marks over the singular for titles and quotes; singular quotes are used for quotations within a quotation; see WP:PUNC and WP:MOSTITLE for more. As for my removal of the duplicated citations, this is standard practice. It's generally believed that the one ref (Wertheim) covers the entirety of the information that is sandwiched between the two inline cites. If this is not the case, separate refs should be included to indicate that it is not covered by Wertheim. There is no reason to cite every separate sentence to the exact same inline citation. BTW, I'm not really interested in the topic; I only have an interest in Crane. ;) María(habla conmigo) 18:53, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
But you didn't make these claims up, correct? You attribute a majority of that paragraph to Wertheim, which is shown with the two inline citations currently used. WP:CITE does not state that every sentence must include a source, and this information is far from contested. María(habla conmigo) 19:04, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
I didn't, but now that you're removed the references nothing proves that I didn't make them up. Nothing against you. When I read articles and an assertion is not referenced, I have no idea whether it is creditable or not.Zigzig20s (talk) 19:30, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
Please revisit your latest edits. At least one of the references is in entirely the wrong place (and emphasizes the insignificance of the NLGJA rather than the other way around). Rklawton (talk) 01:51, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
Hi - I see you reverted all edits made to the article since your edit of last February, including my disambiguation of "Pittsburg". While I don't really care whether the work is considered a novel or novella, I'm curious as to whether "Pittsburg" is, in fact, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, or is it some other, possibly fictional place? --Ken Gallager (talk) 03:51, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
Please don't revert edits as "vandalism" as you did here: [1]. A contributor spent a great deal of time trying to improve an article, and while her edits might have seemed biased or lengthy, it was a first time contributor. Help them do it right, please don't label something vandalism that is an contribution in good faith. Thanks. Bastiquedemandez02:48, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
Sorry, it looks as if you were reverting something else and that an anon actually did the mass revert. I don't think it was vandalism though. Bastiquedemandez02:53, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
The first paragraph of the article in english is "Moira Orfei, (aka Miranda Orfei), (Born:21 December 1931 Codroipo,Udine, Friuli Venezia Giulia,Italy) a popular television personality and Italian actress. Miranda is considered the queen of the Italian circus." See the new page here Moira OrfeiLooks to be an interesting book [[3]]gioto (talk) 04:19, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the corrections. Yes she is married with two children. The Italian article is short on references, most seem to be in print eg: off the web.. gioto (talk) 00:29, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
Hi Zigzig20s - cheers for adding the project banners to this article. Any thoughts on improving the article otherwise? It's one of my first non-stubby creations. Gonzonoir (talk) 22:31, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
Ah, gotcher. Well, I'd be interested to hear what you think of it. I've been studiously avoiding having an opinion, for the purposes of starting an NPOV article :) Gonzonoir (talk) 08:44, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
As you can see, this is about as bare-bones of a newsletter as you can get. The reason for this is that the newsletter has and will be inactive, but we wanted to get a last one out detailing the current state of our project. The truth is that WP:NOVELS is in bad shape. Only a few editors are active in editing inside of our project. Our Peer Review section, this newsletter, our task forces, and our collaboration center are all dead; although a collab is picked each month, not a lot of work seems to occur.
Out of these ashes, we are proposing that the project start an A-class review system. This will hopefully bring people together for reviewing, and will perhaps get the project some sorely-needed attention from others who can come in and help rehabilitate it. Final plans have not been established, but we will see about getting a mass message out to all of the project members if/when it is set up; discussion of this can be conducted on the General Forum.
This newsletter will probably be the last we will have for a long time, as neither Ed nor Kevinalewis have the time to create these every month. However, if any editor is willing to step up and create one, we would be glad to assist you in making it up.
If you don't want to create a newsletter, but would still like to help, there are plenty of things that can be done. As detailed on the right, the Novels Peer Review section has four articles needing attention, but only one review has been done; one from May, one from November, and one from December have not had any comments left on them. Please consider helping out there; even a 15-minute review would help.
Talk between Kevinalewis and the_ed17, the two project coordinators, has led to us deciding to suspend elections for coordinators indefinitely. With the exceedingly low amount of participation in the last elections (five total votes), we do not feel that it is worth it to try to set up another election.
20 positions remain unfilled at the Job Centre. Members who are active project contributors are encouraged to apply even if they can only do a position for a short time.
Collaboration of the Month
This month's Collaboration has been selected by popular vote and is : Shantaram (novel). The next collaboration is due for selection in April, so cast your vote.
Peer review and assessment news
Peer Reviews are still open for four articles – Sector General, Petals of Blood, Scenes of Clerical Life, and Flowers for Algernon. Feel free to submit any novel-related article that you are working on for review, but please consider stopping by and reviewing an article; we need more reviewers for our articles (there is a PR that has been open since May)!
Recently a new worklist had been created and quietly arrived, the Cleanup listing which gives a fairly comprehensive hit list of "novels" related articles that have been tagged for something or other.
Since then a new Article alerts listing has also been added of more topic and "urgent" items worthy of our attention.
I share your concerns, despite being the perp. But surely it does fall within the definition "study of sexual interests, behavior, and function"? --Tagishsimon(talk)21:47, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
FYI I asked someone who looks as if he might be familiar with the journal (something I am not); the Q&A is here. Conclusion appears to be to leave it so categorised. --Tagishsimon(talk)13:22, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
I called the Graduate Center at CUNY - it is true. Sedgwick passed away either yesterday or this morning of cancer. --David Shankbone16:06, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
His place of birth is not readily evident, but he attended OSU and therefore spent some time in Columbus. Feel free to add his birthplace if you know it!! We are trying to discourage the "Category: People from Ohio" and diffuse it to subcategories. regards!!! 8th Ohio Volunteer Infantry (talk) 21:59, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
I've started a draft at User:Zigzig20s/A Push and a Shove: A Novel. You can create userpages for all sorts of things just by replacing this books title with whatever you need. Some users find it helpful to keep a list somewhere so they delete unneeded items and know where to find others. -- Banjeboi21:45, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
OK, Per this let's write it up to a DYK level (1,500 characters of prose, etc) and launch it. I think we should have a section just on the author which will be his article for now and can expand into a BLP later. -- Banjeboi15:31, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
Coordinators election. An election has been long overdue, and therefore one will begin shortly. If you wish to stand, please put your name in by June 28, when voting will start. Members are encouraged to vote for the candidate they wish to support by July 21 at the Coordinator Elections. The Ed17 has decided not to stand for re-election. His work as Assistant Coordinator, along with Kevinalewis, since the last elections in October is highly appreciated by all members of the project.
17 positions remain unfilled at the Job Centre. Members who are active project contributors are encouraged to apply even if they can only fill a position for a short time.
On April 23, a fact about the protagonist Cousin Betty in Honoré de Balzac's La Cousine Bette appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know? column.
On April 25, a fact from the article Blanca Olmedo written by Lucila Gamero appeared on the main page in the DYK section.
On June 15, a fact from The Road to Yuba City by Tracy Kidder appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know? column.
- Contributors are Alan16, (who searched the archives).
Task force and related news
His Dark Materials task force has begun. This task force is dedicated to improving all articles in the scope of Philip Pullman's His Dark Materials trilogy. The main purpose of this taskforce is to expand, cite, and promote all articles in scope of the series. They welcome any advice or help that members of WikiProject Novels may be able to offer. If interested, drop a note on their talk page.
– Position of editor for the task force has been undertaken by Pmlinediter.
Hi, I have been a member of this project for a few months now, and after finally gotten to grips with Wikipedia I have decided to take on the role of writing this newsletter (currently by myself, but any help would be appreciated) with some helpful tips from The Ed17. After undertaking this I realise why it was so difficult to keep it going. I will, however, persevere. From the members, I would encourage you to vote in the Coordinator elections, and take up roles at the Job Centre. The project has struggled recently, and I am hoping to try and revive it. If, with the publication of this newsletter, there are a couple of things that aren't quite up-to-date (like the Collaboration part), you can be certain I am working on it. I will be trying to get a newsletter out on around the 21st of every month. Finally, thanks for the help Ed. Regards, Alan16 (talk) 23:41, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
Current debates
A Kenneth Oppel task force has been proposed. You can comment here. Oppel is a Canadian author who specialises in Young adult fiction.
Novel related news
American writer Michael Hemp wins the 2009 Next Generation Indie Book Award in the Action/Adventure category for his novel, The Nadjik Pheromone.
This is my first attempt at the newsletter, and I hope it at least gets close to the previous high standards set by Kevinalewis and The Ed17. I will once again encourage you to vote in the Coordinator elections, as I hope it could be the springboard to revitalise the project. I'll keep working on the newsletter, partially because I like the stress, and partially because we need it to get members and would-be members interested. Hopefully the start of great things. Regards, Alan.
Collaboration of the Month
Because there has been little activity on our Collaboration page for a long time, I have made an executive decision, and chosen The Tin Drum as our Collaboration of the month. All members are asked to assist where they can. The next collaboration is due for selection on 21 July, 2009 so nominate and vote.
Newsletter challenge
This month's article is Mindplayers by science fiction author Pat Cadigan. It is a previous, uncompleted challenge.
Announcements and open tasks
WikiProject Novels • (inc. novellas, novelettes & short stories) Announcements and open tasks
Recently a new worklist had been created and quietly arrived, the Cleanup listing which gives a fairly comprehensive hit list of "novels" related articles that have been tagged for something or other.
Since then a new Article alerts listing has also been added of more topic and "urgent" items worthy of our attention.
How do you change the world? You can start by writing an incredible article for the world's encyclopedia. Moni3 kicks it old school again with Stonewall riots - a series of spontaneous, violent demonstrations against a police raid that took place in the early morning hours of June 28, 1969 at the Stonewall Inn. [...] [T]hey have become the defining event that marked the start of the gay rights movement in the United States and around the world. It's a featured article hitting the mainpage this Sunday to mark the 40th anniversary of the events. So first off, wow! Clever and cool. Moni3 has been recently named hottest delegate to Obama's bookclub but that may not be official yet. (Shhh!)
Otto4711 mentioned that gee we really should swamp the DYK section with LGBT-related articles for use on the 28th as well. We have eight or so in the holding area and if you push yourself to get an article together you might be able to get in on the fun. Do this now!
The official rules for DYKs can be found here. Once you have expanded an article 5-fold or created an article with at least 1,500 characters of prose, place your DYK thread here. Use this handy tool to count your 1,500 characters. As a suggestion, when you add your potential hook, include the character count and a link to the source(s) that confirm the hook. These will be confirmed anyway but may help.
The layout for the individual quotes is here (just copy/paste into one of the red links on Portal:Transgender/Random quote). Then this counter has to be upped to match the new # of total quotes (not counting quote zero).
Obama proclamation
On June 1, President Barack Obama declared June 2009 Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender Pride Month, citing the riots as a reason to "commit to achieving equal justice under law for LGBT Americans". Excerpts at the bottom.
F*ck me I'm famous
I was interviewed by Wikipedia Signpost, the weekly in-house newsletter, for the WikiProject report. The Signpost has nearly 1,000 Wikipedian subscribers and arguably many of those folks actually read it. It came about rather quickly and my worst fears - that it was an elaborate hoax by a troll - were apparently unfounded. I hope y'all feel I did fine by the project, I did my best to avoid the phrase "man-humping, cock-sucking, doggy-style loving queer" but otherwise did ok.
Free image appeal
A friendly reminder to consider taking photos while you're out and about at various Dyke marches and Pride parades. Consider donating them to the world at Wikicommons. I'm sooo totally over having to deal with lovely images being deleted and argued about. If they are just free they are then also freely usable worldwide. And no, they don't need photos of your cha-cha or hoo-hoo-dilly.
Sonny and Cher's daughter was a famous lesbian and now he's a famous transman, possibly the most famous in the world. This also serves as a friendly reminder that we recently updated Wikipedia:WikiProject LGBT studies/Guidelines - it's not perfect but should help inform on those gnip-gnop battles that do seem to drag on, and not in the good way.
As part of the redecorating at our talkpage, the article alerts and keyword search alerts are handily located at the top of the page. Always fascinating to see what's up. All help appreciated on those.
Glambert
Adam Lambert is soooo gay - surprised? Neither is anyone else. Nuff said. David Ogden Stiers was outed but apparently he wasn't terribly in either.
The LGBT studies project does have its own free Internet Relay Chat channel, #wikipedia-en-lgbtconnect, for coordination, collaboration and socializing. This channel is hosted on Freenode and can be accessed in one of two ways: If you already have an IRC client, click the link to the left. If you do not have an IRC client, you'll need to get one installed on your computer first. Once you've done this, then click on the link to the left.
For more general information on IRC and a listing of other useful Wikipedia-related channels, see Wikipedia:IRC channels.
The project had at one point another channel at #LGBTprojectconnect but as the original people associated with the setting up and administration of that channel have seemed to have disappeared, this new channel has been set up. Plus the new channel is inline with required naming conventions for Wikipedia related IRC channels. So, feel free to use this channel. Such a channel gives opportunity to discuss the latest happening on articles, the LGBT project itself, latest happening in your life with "wiki-friends" here, etc.. You can say things on there you normally wouldn't here on Wikipedia (keeping it civil of course) like talk about the latest hot guy/girl or tell a joke.. you get the point. Anyway, see you there - eventually!
LGBT to-do list (held over from last edition)
Give out more barnstars, and let each other know that what they're doing is valued.
Create a guide to stave off burnout, because editors in this project get burned out faster than others. There are many hills to climb.
Bring back the monthly collaboration project.
Participate in LGBT Peer reviews.
Get familiar with the characteristics of Good Articles and get our top priority articles to WP:GA.
Use the Newsletter, Moni3! You can suggest what to send out in the newsletter, too!
Offer research materials, copy editing, ideas, and support to your fellow editors.
Keep the project talk page informed of problems and discussions we should know about.
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There are many well-respected LGBT leaders in all professional fields, including the arts and business communities. [I]n both the White House and the Federal agencies -- openly LGBT employees are doing their jobs with distinction and professionalism. [...] LGBT youth should feel safe to learn without the fear of harassment, and LGBT families and seniors should be allowed to live their lives with dignity and respect. At the international level, I have joined efforts at the United Nations to decriminalize homosexuality around the world. Here at home, I continue to support measures to bring the full spectrum of equal rights to LGBT Americans. These measures include enhancing hate crimes laws, supporting civil unions and Federal rights for LGBT couples, outlawing discrimination in the workplace, ensuring adoption rights, and ending the existing "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy in a way that strengthens our Armed Forces and our national security. [...] As long as the promise of equality for all remains unfulfilled, all Americans are affected. If we can work together to advance the principles upon which our Nation was founded, every American will benefit. During LGBT Pride Month, I call upon the LGBT community, the Congress, and the American people to work together to promote equal rights for all, regardless of sexual orientation or gender identity. [...] I call upon the people of the United States to turn back discrimination and prejudice everywhere it exists. - Barack Obama, Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender Pride Month, 2009, The White House (June 1, 2009).
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Hello. The Coordiantor Election has begun. All members are encouraged to vote by the deadline, July 28. To vote simply add support to the comments and questions for.. section of the member of your choice.
Hi! You would be glad to know that a new wikipedia ad has been created by Srinivas to encourage users to join Chronicles of Narnia Task Force. You can display that ad on your user/talk page too using the following code: {{Wikipedia ads|ad=190}}
The August 2009 issue of the Novels WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you. Alan16 (talk) 17:40, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
LGBT Businesses
Hey Zig-
I was out to lunch in April when you were doing work on LGBT businesses, but I'm back from lunch and got interested in developing a good category structure for LGBT economic related questions. Can you check out what I've assembled at User:Scarykitty/LGBT Business Categories and give some feedback? I'm trying to include all the articles you flagged in my "taxonomy." Scarykitty (talk) 00:07, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
Autoreviewer
Hi, after seeing one of your articles at newpage patrol, I was surprised to see that an editor who has contributed quite so many articles as you over such a long period hadn't already been approved as an wp:Autoreviewer. So I've taken the liberty of rectifying that. ϢereSpielChequers10:11, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
Please do not re-add the Vanderbilt University category to Barry Winchell. I know that he died at Vanderbilt Hospital, but that is not a reason to be included in that category. That's reserved for articles that have very strong ties to the university, such as alumni, facilities, events, etc. Think of it this way...the hospital he died at has virtually no bearing on him as a person. It's just tangential...likely he was simply transported to Vanderbilt because of their LifeFlight helicopter service. — Huntster (t@c)04:32, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
picture of Dold
I submitted a request for an open source image to his campaign web site but haven't heard back. For some reason, these queries are always met with suspicion, particularly by conservatives. I wish WP didn't have such a left-leaning rep. I happened to meet Dold on the street outside my office last week by chance. I was kicking myself just after he left for not whipping out my iPhone and asking him for a quick shot. Ronnotel (talk) 14:14, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
Hello! In going through the backlog of Category:Articles which may no longer need images, I've found several of your Missouri towns with image requests getting tagged by the bot as not needing images because of the map image. I'm assuming you want actual photographs, so I've been clarifying the image requests by adding |of=Horton, Missouri (or whatever) to the reqphoto template. That should stop the bot from flagging these pages and keeping the request intact. Thought I'd let you know for your use in the future. :) Sweet kate (talk) 16:10, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
You may want to consider using the Article Wizard to help you create articles.
A tag has been placed on Ruidoso News requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a very short article providing little or no context to the reader. Please see Wikipedia:Stub for our minimum information standards for short articles. Also please note that articles must be on notable subjects and should provide references to reliable sources that verify their content.
If you think that this notice was placed here in error, contest the deletion by clicking on the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion," which appears inside of the speedy deletion ({{db-...}}) tag (if no such tag exists, the page is no longer a speedy delete candidate). Doing so will take you to the talk page where you will find a pre-formatted place for you to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. You can also visit the the page's talk page directly to give your reasons, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, you can contact one of these administrators to request that the administrator userfy the page or email a copy to you. - Sir Pawridgetalkcontribs19:45, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
July 2011
Please do not remove maintenance templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to Peter Sprigg, without resolving the problem that the template refers to, or giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your removal of this template does not appear constructive, and has been reverted. Thank you. HrafnTalkStalk(P)08:23, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
Hi. I'm not sure what you were trying to achieve at Yuma Sun and Yuma Daily Sun, but you can't create a new copy of an existing article and then have the original deleted as a duplicate - your new one was the duplicate. But if you'd like to explain what you were trying to do, I'll be happy to advise. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 18:06, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
Hi. Sorry for my over-reaction yesterday - I'd had a tough day dealing with troublemakers, and your demanding that I do something incorrect wasn't something I was in a mood to deal with. But I should still have been more helpful. Anyway, the problem with renaming an article by creating a new one and deleting the old one is that, by the terms of Wikipedia's CC-BY-SA 3.0 licensing, we are required to retain the history of old versions of an article so that the appropriate copyright accreditation can be given. So the way to do it really is to "Move" the article to its new name - you should have that under one of your tab menus.
However, having said that, as the newspaper's own web site calls it the "Yuma Sun" and not the "Yuma Daily Sun", I think it should probably remain at its current name - at least, it shouldn't be renamed without a discussion at WP:RM. But other than the name, I think your new version looks fine, and I see no reason not to go with it. So I've restored and "userfied" your version of the article to User:Zigzig20s/Yuma Daily Sun, and what I suggest now is that you edit the existing Yuma Sun article and replace its contents with your new version. When you've done that, give me a shout and I'll delete your userfied copy -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 11:27, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
Please do not remove maintenance templates from pages on Wikipedia without resolving the problem that the template refers to, or giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your removal of this template does not appear constructive, and has been reverted. Thank you. The article in question is mostly cited to his FRC profile, his own writings, and similar. Therefore it lacks third party sourcing. There is little evidence (e.g. from Find sources:Google (books·news·scholar·free images·WP refs) ·FENS·JSTOR·TWL that "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject" exists. Therefore its notability is in question. HrafnTalkStalk(P)05:24, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
Paraguayan ministers
I see you created alot of Paraguayan ministers today. One problem I see is that you created a box at the bottom of each article entitled "Fernando Lugo cabinet". There is a better way to do it. Right now, if a new member is appointed, you have to edit all the articles to update the change. If you create a template you only have one place to make the change.
An example of a template is Template:Governors of Pennsylvania.
To add the template to an article, place {{Template:Governors of Pennsylvania}} at the bottom of the article.
For more information see WP:TMP
Also there is one minor error with your boxes... An example is on Camilo Soares Machado article, his name in the box should be in black and not a wikilink. You are already on his page. I've been correcting the mistake when I see them. If you have questions on anything, don't hesitate to ask on my talk page. Bgwhite (talk) 06:57, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
Ok... I went ahead and started the template. I added two ministers. Can you add the rest?
Unfortunately, I don't know Spanish either and Google translate is also my friend. Be lucky that the Google's translation of Spanish is really good. I've had to use it in the past week for Bulgarian and Urdu... I had to figure out what the translation was saying. What I find interesting is that their is no minister articles on Spanish Wikipedia. I could understand them missing on the English side, but the Spanish side? Bgwhite (talk) 07:27, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
The template is looking good. I'm trying to make the template be auto-collapsed, so this bug huge template doesn't dwarf the small articles. But, I can't figure it out. I've asked for help. Bgwhite (talk) 07:17, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
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I notice you are doing a lot of work identifying articles that do not have images. Could I ask that you take note of the categories available. For example for a person the reason for notoriety has a category and the place also has a specific category. So Talk:Jean-Charles Marchiani should have {{Image requested|politicians and government-people|people of France}} rather than {{reqphoto|in=France}}. I realise that getting to know all the categories can be a task in its self so if you wish you can just add {{reqphoto}} to add it to the top category; I run over the list at least once a week and classify them in more detail.--Traveler100 (talk) 17:38, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
How are the areas being selected? I noticed a heap of Western Australian ones on my watchlist this morning, nearly all of which are unpopulated localities in the middle of nowhere. Simply littering the tag everywhere in the hope that the one or two people taking photos will change their priorities for no apparent reason (or alternatively ignore the tag because it's completely useless) doesn't seem to be a terribly constructive use of time - I suggest working with the WikiProjects concerned to focus it on useful targets. Orderinchaos04:19, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
I also spend some time sorting out your reqphoto entries. Either redefinition or creating additional sub-categories because existing categories have become too large to be of use to many project users. May I suggest spending some time removing the tag from articles that have images and adding images from commons to articles with requests. I have found this can be a large percentage of a category.--Traveler100 (talk) 05:09, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
Please, you are obviously going through lists of people by region and profession. Could you before starting a new set look up the correct sub-category. I Have done little else for the past two weeks but clean up after you. --Traveler100 (talk) 19:20, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
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What exactly are the criteria you are using for tagging all these articles into WPUS? To me it seems there is no compelling reason to add them just because the subject of the article happens to be American. That is far too broad a scope for any WikiProject to have. Elizium23 (talk) 02:59, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
And again. Could you please use {{reqphoto|people of the United States}} and not {{reqphoto|in=United States}} (and same goes for people of other countries). It took some time to clean this up last year and now here we go again. Yes I can clean up after you but it is slowing me from doing what I want to do which is add images to articles with photo requests. --Traveler100 (talk) 05:15, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
Perhaps you could use some of the free time you're obviously looking to fill by looking on Commons first (the place which most photographers upload to) to make sure that there are not already images there for the subjects you are tagging. In nearly all cases, the category on Commons has the same title as the article on Wikipedia - e.g. Hilton, Western Australia images can be found at commons:Category:Hilton, Western Australia. Perry Lakes Reserve is another such which you tagged, but which has ample photos on Commons. This would demonstrate that you actually wish to take some responsibility for your work and are capable of doing work which is useful to others, and are not simply wasting everyone's time. Orderinchaos18:06, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
Another suggestion. There are many articles you have tagged with reqphoto that now have images. If they are not in your watch list you can use the image checker [4] or FIST using the show images on page option. They can remove the template.--Traveler100 (talk) 17:37, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
I see a number of people have either asked you to take more care with your reqphoto tagging (see above), or stop completely (Wikipedia:Australian_Wikipedians'_notice_board#Small_towns). You've apparently ignored those requests and have persisted with an attitude that you will continue regardless.[5] I now see edit warring over the same thing.[6] It's been explained that what you're doing is disruptive to the efficient running of the encyclopaedia, and doesn't help the volunteers who actually create content (text and photos). Smartass comments like "... I wish I didn't have to do it all on my own." dont help your case. Orderinchaos has suggested how you could actually help at Commons, but you've ignored this suggestions too.[7] This is you first and final warning: if you persist you will be blocked without further notice. Moondyne (talk) 02:03, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
You've been around here for years and have made lots of useful contributions, so this behaviour is both strange and unnecessary. My advice is to find another activity. Try Special:NewPagesFeed. Moondyne (talk) 02:35, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
Your comment is rather strange. I have used WikiCommons recently, after that person suggested it (see above), although I did NOT appreciate his tone. Again, see above. Thank you.Zigzig20s (talk) 02:40, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
Perhaps you have another user name at Commons. This [8] shows nothing since 2008. Honestly, what is the likelihood that tagging that article is going to cause someone to take a photo of the guy? My guess is not much. It will however add another entry to the enormous Category:Wikipedia requested photographs in California which makes that category less and less useful. Moondyne (talk) 03:07, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
Well I fundamentally disagree with you (but apparently I shouldn't, or I'll get blocked!), I think it would definitely prompt people to take a picture of him because it shows people like me care. Same thing goes for towns in Australia, etc. I added a picture from Wikicommons for Hilton and other places after the guy above was uncouth to me.Zigzig20s (talk) 03:47, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
I think you miss the point to your advantage and go oh dear me when people challenge your rather annoying reqphoto habits, in the long term you are not benefiting wikipedia by the tags. Just accept that and try something else. Your obviously severe geographically challenged affliction (you wouldnt put the tags up if you actually knew where some of the places were) is noted by 2 long term experienced administrators - and you give them the attitude... you have reqphoto'd wikipedia for years now, and I really think it is a pointless exercise. Take a hint, try changing your habit SatuSuro05:14, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
Please read the comments by Orderinchaos and tell me if you can see a hint of attitude or none at all. Yes, we need pictures. Perhaps you guys disagree. I absolutely do not see why requesting a picture of the mayor of Beverly Hills is too challenging. Please explain.Zigzig20s (talk) 05:31, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
Perhaps you could go and take one? I admit that I missed he was a serving mayor but I think you were being selective in your choice of examples. How about this one?. I'm not going to play games with you - I just want you to stop mass-tagging without thought, which is what a bunch of people have asked you to do. Moondyne (talk) 08:14, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
I apologise if I came across annoyed - Wikipedia is a hobby for me, I have a busy work / other life outside the project, and I get annoyed when people in my view do "busy work" that gets in the way. Orderinchaos08:37, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
perhaps you guys disagree - hu? you still dont get it - unselective, and blanket usage of the reqphoto over years is disruptive. whether you have a sensitive spot and dont like the way other editors challenge your tagging, perhaps you should try something else. As to the value of photos of people - from any place or any context, that is a totally different subject - which I am not interested in the slightest - I simply take issue with blanket place tagging which shows you are at the best of times geographically and wikipedia-wise challenged (not even checking commons to see if there are any photos there) SatuSuro08:11, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
Somebody please tell me which pages I am allowed to add reqphoto to and which ones I am not. I don't see why I couldn't for Australian politicians, as it is very easy to take a picture as soon as a Wikipedian is in a state capital. As for small towns, I am planning a move and thought it would be great for a local Wikipedian to add pictures. However, this is a minor hobby and I absolutely don't have time to go through WikiCommons all the time, even though I was a good lad and did it when I was asked to (Hilton, etc.). Frankly I don't have time to talk to strangers on Wikipedia either.Zigzig20s (talk) 17:46, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
I think the point people are trying to get over is that you may be going against the intention or spirit of the template. The reqphoto is intended as a request on wikipdians to assist in finding an image when someone is having difficulty finding one. Now for newbies they can be excused for not knowing about Commons and other resources but that is not the case here. Also it think the point being made is that it appears you are not specifically wanting an image for a particular page but are scanning a particular subject and labelling all pages. Personally I find this fine provided you set the parameters correctly or add a WikiProject or two so bots can reset the parameter. Provided that is being done to then use tools like FIST to scan the categories for images on Commons, Flickr and other places.--Traveler100 (talk) 17:59, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
In essence, the point is that the reqphoto tag is requesting a photo. A parallel - you walk into a bookstore and they don't have the book you want, so you order it in. If however you were to order every book ever published by a certain publisher just because you think they should be stocked, the bookshop would likely not honour your order. The situation here is somewhat similar. The genuine requests are being drowned out by visual static / noise, photographers can't tell which ones are genuinely requested and which ones are simply marked "not present", as the tag does not distinguish by priority. As a result, the photographers stop using the tag, risking either duplication or incomplete coverage.
A side note on politicians - Australian copyright law means that we cannot use photos of politicians by pretty much any other means but taking them ourselves. This excludes for example using Parliamentary collections or political party collections, and also means we have to get them one at a time. Leaving aside the issue that this leads to poor-quality paparazzi-style photographs (I've taken a few) with very random selectivity, a good photo generally requires that one asks permission to take a photo. Our experience is that this is generally denied. As only about 10 politicians from my state have photos on Wikipedia / Commons, it can be safely assumed that a given politician probably does not have a photo on here, so the reqphoto tag simply as a marker of "this has no photo" is not terribly useful. If someone had a particular wish to see a given politician (let's say for example they've just written an article about an event which that person visited and think a photo of that person would aid their article), then using the reqphoto tag would be useful as it flags to local editors that, if there is an opportunity, this person's photo is a priority.
I hope this explains things a bit. One final point - you mention that you don't have time to talk to people, go through Commons etc. Please consider that this also applies to us too! There's probably 4 or 5 active editors in Western Australia and maybe at most 50 in Australia right now. I'm clearly not the only editor who gets the sense that you are rudely telling us what to do without regard to our time constraints, priorities, etc. I was offended by that and I apologise for over-reacting. But please be more mindful of the fact there are human beings on the other side of your computer screen - people with jobs, families and lives - who are not at your beck and call. Orderinchaos19:38, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
Regarding politicians, yes, we need pictures because they are elected officials and you are paying for their salaries through your taxes. Now, anybody can get off this website and look at their parliamentary webpage, but this would lead to the death of Wikipedia. Similarly for small towns, one can use google image, and stop using Wikipedia again. I am simply trying to improve the website. I do think elected officials take precedence over small towns in terms of notability, but both are significant.Zigzig20s (talk) 19:55, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
Is there a way to know which Australian Wikipedian lives in state capitals? I don't mind leaving a message on their talkpage asking them to contact their local politicians to add a picture if you want.Zigzig20s (talk) 20:03, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
How do you propose getting acceptable quality images of politicians in Australia, given the copyright limitations on official photos? Orderinchaos21:30, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
Did you read what I wrote above? I'm a member of a party, I meet these people regularly, and *I* can't get photos. It's generally seen as blatantly rude to poke a camera in someone's face without permission. What chance has an ordinary member of the public? Orderinchaos04:51, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
Be rude. But really I find that surprising. I'm a politico too if you must know, and the politicians I know wouldn't mind at all. They'd welcome the free advertising. Perhaps Australian politicians are attention-averse, but I find that hard to believe.Zigzig20s (talk) 05:05, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
I am not being rude, I'm just surprised that you would think that. Most politicians I deal with are from an older generation that distrusts technology and are taught by their parties that PR is to be tightly controlled, and their staffers come from a similar school of thought (especially when they hear the word "Wikipedia".) I've managed to get two to supply official portraits, but one of them had unresolved copyright issues (they were happy to release it but turned out the photo was already subject to copyright other than theirs), the other is in use at Colin Barnett and I was very lucky to get it. Going around shooting pictures of them randomly at public events, when they are not necessarily looking their best, is counterproductive to getting future cooperation from them. Orderinchaos09:29, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
I don't understand what the big deal is. If you are unable to take a picture of those people, others will, as long as we add a reqphoto tag. You are not the only person in the world with a prerogative to do it. The reqphoto tag is not just for you. I may even do it when I'm there.Zigzig20s (talk) 20:30, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
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