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Leroy L. Chang
Many thanks for these edits. I had a brief look at zh:张立纲. Though it looks short, there is a mention of a Leslie T. Chang, but I'm not sure what the context is there. Would you be able to help with anything useful from that article and its sources? Anything substantial is probably best left at the article talk page, where I will (eventually) be putting some notes on possible future expansions of the article. Carcharoth (talk) 00:43, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
Sorry I've been very busy lately in real life and haven't had time to improve the article. Will try to get back to it hopefully in a few days. -Zanhe (talk) 11:24, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
Many thanks for the additional edits and information added there (I've only just had time to look). I did remove the link placed on his father's name (see here) as that appears to be a different and more famous Zhang Shenfu (who died in 1986 as opposed to 1946). I may try and expand our current one line(!) stub on Zhang Shenfu, as he sounds like an interesting individual. Going back to the other Zhang Shenfu (died 1946), I found an English-language source here, though that seems to be a blog, so maybe a better source is needed. Carcharoth (talk) 01:30, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
Interesting, Zhang Shenfu was a red link when I edited Leroy Chang a few days ago; someone just created the one-line stub yesterday. Anyway, Leroy Chang's father was also a significant person whose death triggered widespread anti-Soviet protests in China. -Zanhe (talk) 04:18, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
Readability
Hello! I am sorry, but I did not understand you very well. How do you think that my edits are not readable?--Miha (talk) 16:39, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
On 12 February 2013, In the news was updated with a news item that involved the article 2013 Kumbh Mela stampede, which you recently updated. If you know of another interesting news item involving a recently created or updated article, then please suggest it on the candidates page.
Interesting indeed. Didn't expect rusticated youth to get 5 times as many hits as the main article. Thanks for your help editing and reviewing the articles. Cheers! -Zanhe (talk) 00:24, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
ITN credit
On March 16 2013, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Li Keqiang, which you recently updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page.
Thanks for the note. It's quite probable that it was pronounced something like Yuesui in ancient times, but most modern dictionaries only list the "xi" sound and the modern county is called Yuexi. -Zanhe (talk) 01:37, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
Hi Zanhe, I just wanted to let you know that I have added the autopatrolled right to your account, as you have created numerous, valid articles. This feature will have no effect on your editing, and is simply intended to reduce the workload on new page patrollers. For more information on the patroller right, see Wikipedia:Autopatrolled. Feel free to leave me a message if you have any questions. Happy editing! INeverCry20:17, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
On 16 May 2013, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Zhou Benshun, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that before Zhou Benshun was recently appointed party chief of Hebei province, he worked under Zhou Yongkang, China's former security czar? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Zhou Benshun. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.
On 17 May 2013, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Du Jiahao, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Du Jiahao, acting governor of China's Hunan province, began his career as a farm tool factory worker? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Du Jiahao. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.
On 24 May 2013, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Mei Ze, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Mei Ze's forgery of Kong Anguo's compilation of the Book of Documents was officially recognized as a Confucianclassic for over 1000 years? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.
Thanks for the notice. I've performed three reverts within policy, while citing valid policies. Rao, however, quotes nothing but personal attack. -Zanhe (talk) 20:11, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
On 5 June 2013, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Liu Zihou, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that after Governor Liu Zihou was captured by the Red Guards and rescued by the army in 1967, rival army factions armed his supporters and opponents, who fought and killed each other for years? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Liu Zihou. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.
No worries. Thanks a lot for helping me with these. It always interests me to see how these names (mostly Hokkian in origin) differ from Mandarin. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 20:08, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
Hi there Zanhe, hope this finds you well. The article Lie Kim Hok made it through FAC (yay!; you did that one quite a while ago). I've got another name I need the Chinese characters for (sourced to Suryadinata): Nio Joe Lan, a journalist and teacher whom I've cited a bit already. Can you help? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:03, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
Thanks a lot! (I was looking at the Li discussions linked above... eek! That's quite a mess, making ANI look like a petting zoo) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:33, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
I have noticed your work on ancient Chinese rulers. Have you run across the mess Mychele Trempetich has made on most of the Xia, Shang and Zhou kings. These articles are ridiculously overlinked (Fa of Xia has links to celebration and inauguration, Why?), containing many unreliable sources from website just found by her google searches (I don't think most of them are just plainly added for the purpose of adding references like referencing a name in an infobox for no apparent reason), and the excessive genealogy that is mentioned on the articles with the subjects' son, grandfather, father, uncle and even more linked and mentioned for no apparent reason, and also she someone thinks it is a good idea to divided an article of a person we only know a few sentences about into sections, and sentence long paragraphs paragraphs. To be honest most of her changes would be better off reverted and restored to it previous unreferenced version than for them to persist as they are. Hope you can do something about this. Oh yeah and also some abominably inaccurate translation on articles like Xie of Xia (His name means "thankful".). --KAVEBEAR (talk) 06:30, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for the notice. I agree with you that Mychele Trempetich's edits are generally not too helpful, but I don't feel they're harmful either. Unfortunately most articles about the early Chinese kings have always been in a sorry state, and undoing her edits will not really make them better. I removed the egregiously wrong "thankful" statement, but it was added by an IP, not by Mychele. It is on my todo list to rewrite all those articles, and I've been gathering academic sources which are not easy to locate. But filling all those big holes in Wikipedia takes a lot of time and I probably won't be able to get to them until many months later. -Zanhe (talk) 09:24, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
Actually base on my dealings with her on Hawaiian subjects, Mychele has the propensity to use multiple IP addresses usually on articles she has edits in and generally they are written in the same fashion with the observed characteristics I listed above. Good luck with it.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 10:04, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
Hmm, you're most likely right. The IP (93.138.41.148) that made the edit geolocates to Zagreb, which matches her description about herself. -Zanhe (talk) 10:10, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
DYK for Yang Rudai
On 30 July 2013, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Yang Rudai, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Sichuan leader Yang Rudai initially opposed the Three Gorges Dam project, but was pressured by China's central government to change his position? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Yang Rudai. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.
I wanted to congratulate you on your excellent work in creating and expanding this article. I have nominated this article for Good Article status. Feel free to contribute at the review when it opens. QatarStarsLeague (talk) 18:51, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for your nomination. I've never gone through the GA process and am not familiar with the requirements there. But I'll try my best to improve the article. -Zanhe (talk) 19:34, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
Shanghai Tower topping out
Is this ITN-worthy, as being the new tallest nationally? Chinese Wiki has already posted it. GotRTalk21:14, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
I think it is, as the tallest in China and second tallest in the world, but it's a toss-up. The Shard was on ITN and it's only half the height of Shanghai Tower, but then it's the tallest in the EU. In any case, it's probably worth a try, though the article needs to be updated a bit more before being nominated (the rule of thumb is five sentences). Do you want to do the work? If not, I'll see if I can find some time. -Zanhe (talk) 22:19, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
Thanks; I've approved the nomination. I had an additional comment, but it's purely a matter of preference; you should feel free to ignore it, thumb your nose at it, or do anything else that's not a WP:NPA violation :-) Nyttend (talk) 20:13, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
I actually wasn't aware of the RP template. I've now updated the references. Thanks for your suggestion. Cheers! -Zanhe (talk) 21:27, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
Longxu, not Longwei
Dear Zanhe, sorry, but I have to inform you that Longwei is a wrong reading for 龙圩, the district of Wuzhou city. The character 圩 with the meaning "market", "marketplace" is a Cantonese word and in this case is pronounced xū in Mandarin. In China the character is better known with the reading wéi, meaning "dam", "dike", "levee", but in this case that's wrong, so Longwei is a wrong reading of the placename Longxu 龙圩. Please have a look for example here]. Greetings from German Wikipedia, --Ingochina (talk) 07:21, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
There is someone change the wikipedia article for 'Ji' (surname) badly. I think your change is adequately about it. And we need you could modify that arbitrary behavies. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jianjun yang (talk • contribs) 16:12, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
That article is a mess. I will work on it eventually, but there are quite a few other things on my to do list right now. -Zanhe (talk) 21:42, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
On 31 August 2013, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Xu Ming, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Xu Ming, formerly China's eighth-richest person, testified at Bo Xilai's trial that he gave Bo's wife more than $3 million to buy a villa in France? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Xu Ming. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.
Thank you for your great work on China-related articles, especially Yang Rudai. I can't believe how much information you managed to add into that article! 069952497a(U-T-C-E)21:54, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
I waited nearly two weeks until the closing of the WP:ANI discussion before removing the category, following the lead of the closing admin Jreferee. Yet you reverted my edits immediately after you resumed editing (one of your reverts at Galwan River has since been undone by the creator of that article.) Jreferee has advised us to follow WP:Category#Articles, which says: "Categorization must maintain a neutral point of view" and "Categorizations should generally be uncontroversial." By drawing conclusions solely on non-neutral Indian sources, your edits have clearly violated those criteria. -Zanhe (talk) 19:04, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
Hi Zanhe. The ANI close applies only to what is listed. There were only two participants in the ANI discussion. It was more of an editing dispute, since Wikipedia:Categorization is an editing guideline, than an ANI matter, and limited to the article discussed. My comments as an admin in this case are limited to views derived from the text of the ANI discussion I closed. My other comments are more as an editor. While two of us may agree against one, that does not mean that consensus has been reached, particularly when there is no actual closed discussion. Resolving Content Disputes provides some information that may be useful. Deleting a category and posting a category to an article are judge by different standards. Editors do not monitor ANI to post views on NPOV matters. For the issue to be resolved, you need input from more editors besides the two in disagreement and a third, partially involved editor. I think your best bet is to post at Wikipedia:Neutral point of view/Noticeboard since editors who regularly deal in NPOV matters post there. WP:NPOV states "Wikipedia aims to present competing views in proportion to their representation in reliable sources on the subject. This applies not only to article text, but to ... categories." Your argument may be that Category:Areas occupied by China after the Sino-Indian War, Category:Areas controlled by China since the Sino-Indian War, or anything along those lines is incapable of presenting competing views in proportion to their representation in reliable sources on the subject. Also, there are no articles within Wikipedia where such categories could be placed in compliance with Wikipedia:Category#Articles, so the category should be declared NPOV for any article. -- Jreferee (talk) 04:49, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
Hi Jreferee, thanks for your explanation of the dispute resolution process. I posted at ANI because I felt the behaviour of The Discoverer went beyond a normal POV pusher. As shown in the evidence I presented at ANI, he quoted a copious amount of sources, while writing things that are the complete opposite of what the sources say. And he did it repeatedly on a number of different articles, which smacks of malicious intent to me. I only presented details for one article Khurnak Fort, which you acted upon, because it would have taken too much space to analyze every article. Now his tactic is to give up on Khurnak Fort, as well as Galwan River where he was reverted by a third user Wangernest, while keep on edit warring on the remaining three articles Lanak Pass, Spanggur Gap, and Sirijap. I think he should get a temporary block or at least a warning for this kind of disruptive behaviour. -Zanhe (talk) 05:47, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
On 25 September 2013, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Ma Chengyuan, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that the Shanghai Museum(pictured) was said to have been "willed into existence" by Ma Chengyuan, who committed suicide nine years ago today? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Ma Chengyuan. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.
Chinese artists and monarchs
Thank you for quality articles on Chinese topics, culture, such as the China Art Museum, and its people, monarchs and politicians, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!
On 8 October 2013, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Guan Liang, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that although Guan Liang was one of China's first oil painters, he was known for his traditional ink paintings portraying Peking opera characters? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Guan Liang. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.
These seem to be very specialized terms for ancient painting techniques associated with Wu Daozi. Baidu has pages for two of the terms, see 蘭葉描 and 折蘆描. But I still don't know what they exactly mean or how to translate them after reading the articles. Sorry. -Zanhe (talk) 08:50, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
On 20 October 2013, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Chen Liting, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that although Chen Liting(pictured) was abandoned as an infant and then lost both his adoptive parents by age seven, he grew up to become one of China's most prominent playwrights and directors? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Chen Liting. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.
Funny thing, I was actually drinking coffee when writing up the nomination. Thanks for writing the article, what a fascinating subject! -Zanhe (talk) 02:41, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
Chen Shuozhen's origins
She was from Chun'an, which is part of the modern Hangzhou. I am going to add the Hangzhou category back, but please let me know if you have a counterargument. --Nlu (talk) 20:01, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
I'm not very comfortable with the idea of projecting today's political boundaries back on historical times. Chun'an has been part of Hangzhou only for the past 60 years or so. During the Song Dynasty, it was part of Muzhou, which was separate from Hangzhou. -Zanhe (talk) 08:04, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
Understood, and valid point, but I do think that we have to do that. The geographic categorizations are intended to make proper geographic associations, and I don't really think that there is a way to do it but to use modern boundaries. Otherwise, everything else will be arbitrary anyway. --Nlu (talk) 04:12, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
DYK for Wu Yin
On 27 October 2013, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Wu Yin, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that actress Wu Yin(pictured) was dubbed the "First Old Lady" of Chinese cinema? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Wu Yin. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.
On 31 October 2013, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Wukang Mansion, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that the Wukang Mansion(pictured) is reputedly haunted by the ghosts of the many people who committed suicide there, such as movie star Shangguan Yunzhu? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Wukang Mansion. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.
Hi. When it comes to defining/categorizing a film, which is a director's medium, very few film scholars or critics would go by which government it was made under. I have rarely seen such categorization in serious film journalism. When you describe a film in its opening sentence, you use the most common description, thus your reasoning of "it's important to specify the government" of a film makes little sense when it comes to these titles.
For examples, Jean Renoir's The Rules of the Game (La Règle du jeu) was made during the French Third Republic, but the film is commonly described as a French film, rather than a "French Third Republic" film, in spite of the various political undertones hinted in Renoir's masterpiece. Likewise, Marcel Carné's Les Visiteurs du Soir was made during Vichy France, but the film is known as a French film, rather than a "Vichy France film". There are various ways you can convey the political aspects of the film, such as an elaboration of the backdrop of the time period. Regards.--TheLeopard (talk) 08:53, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
May I ask what's the downside if we do mention the historical period during which the films were made? After all, we do define The Peach Blossom Fan as a Qing Dynasty play, and Xi Xiang Ji as a Yuan Dynasty play, not simply a Chinese play. For the late ROC-era films, many are politically charged and anti-KMT government. It's important to note specifically what government they were made under, IMO. By the way, Les Visiteurs du Soir does specify in the lead that it was made during the Nazi occupation, i.e., the Vichy period. -Zanhe (talk) 09:12, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
As someone who is fairly (ha!) active in film articles, I'd go with "a Chinese film" then give a full sentence. Nobody outside of readers already versed in Chinese history would get the political ramifications from simply stating the dynasty/historical period. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:21, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
Well one thing to remember is that film is a "modern medium", especially in comparison to literature, where it does tend to be divided into specific periods due to the lengthy timeline. Also, Xi Xiang Ji is described as a Chinese dramatic work in its article, and if you take any courses about that work in a university, it is described as a Chinese play, one of the most renowned of course.--TheLeopard (talk) 09:25, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
Also, to answer: "By the way, Les Visiteurs du Soir does specify in the lead that it was made during the Nazi occupation, i.e., the Vichy period." Yes, as I stated above, mentioning the political background of the film is absolutely fine, i.e. I inserted information in the articles that they were made during the Republic of China.--TheLeopard (talk) 09:25, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
Your latest edits are fine with me. Thank you guys for taking interest in the articles. Sometimes it feels lonely when there's nobody to argue with :-) -Zanhe (talk) 09:41, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
On 4 November 2013, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Wang Renmei, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that a young Mao Zedong lived at the home of Wang Renmei, who grew up to become a movie star nicknamed the "Wildcat of Shanghai"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Wang Renmei. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.
On 5 November 2013, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Situ Qiao, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that artist Situ Qiao was imprisoned and deported by the U.S. government for trying to sell his own paintings (example pictured)? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Situ Qiao. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.
Interesting artist indeed. I started out intending to write a basic stub, but couldn't stop adding information and ended up spending hours. It's fascinating how many turmoils people of his generation experienced in a single lifetime. Thanks for uploading the images. I've created a separate category for them. I'm sure I'll write more articles that can use them. -Zanhe (talk) 20:53, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, it's hard to believe they were published in China 80 years ago. Unfortunately, wars and communism set China back for much of the 20th century. Also check out Modern Sketch, another fascinating 1930s magazine. -Zanhe (talk) 00:51, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
I feel the same about here in Indonesia... had the War not happened (and thus the Dutch not lost their hold on power) I find it probable that the country would have become independent around the 1960s and been much more modernised. Oh well. (Crisco)36.73.68.154 (talk) 09:04, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for the notice. I didn't know you were going to create articles for these subjects. Great job on the articles by the way!--TheLeopard (talk) 08:38, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
Thanks. I do intend to turn all the red links I create into blue ones, but it appears that every new article I write links to even more notable topics that need articles. Wikipedia's China coverage is ridiculously poor and it'll probably be decades before it becomes half decent. -Zanhe (talk) 08:52, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
DYK for Ye Qianyu
On 7 November 2013, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Ye Qianyu, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that manhua artist Ye Qianyu(work pictured) was imprisoned for seven years during the Cultural Revolution and then worked as a janitor? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Ye Qianyu. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.
I have noted all the changes you made to the article, including placing {{citations needed}}, and would like to express my thoughts. The article is translated from a good article in Chinese Wikipedia, and the event was over 1000 years ago, so it would be rather unlikely to trace history. However, since you have raised the concern, I shall ask according to the changes you made.
Ever since, there was no more historical records about her. (If there was no more historical records, it means that there was no more mentions about her in history and in historical books. If so, How could there even be records about her, and to cite the statement according to records?)
What if there are other records that are unknown to Wikipedia editors? We cannot be assured of that fact without a source. If it's true (which I do not doubt), it should be straightforward to find a modern source that asserts that. -Zanhe (talk) 05:34, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
... this story provides a largely factual account of events. (the statement is just to tell that the story is based on facts and historical records. As such, I don't think it is possible to cite it, because [1] Am I supposed to cite the entire story with a list of facts? The novel is already mentioned, why need to cite it? [2] It is clearly obvious to Wikipedians that they have to read the novel to actually know. Why would a complementary statement need citations if it is already referenced and that no reliable sources would be on the internet?)
Since you said that there was no need to quote the entire Chinese text of the edict and the summary in English would suffice, why was the overview below the edict removed? [3]
The article already mentions that the edict declared that Yuan was a girl and Yuan Zhao would be emperor, and I felt that was enough. As I said, feel free to add it back if you think more details would be beneficial. -Zanhe (talk) 05:44, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
Also, may I know which country do you come from? You have contributed largely to articles related to China. Do you contribute to other articles? --Huang (talk) 17:02, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
Thanks your great work on the article, and the barnstar. To answer your question, I'm a Canadian of Chinese ancestry. I mostly work on China-related topics since there are so many important articles missing, and so few people are working on them. I've also written a few articles on Mexico and India, as well as aviation-related lists. -Zanhe (talk) 06:44, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
I saw your source for Cai Dongfan's work and it was indeed a reliable source. References 5, 7 and 8 are unreliable sources added by me because they are either lifted from Chinese Wikipedia's article or works that have gone viral on the internet. Especially Baidu Baike which had three similar articles infringing Wikipedia's copyright. Could you help to cite reliable sources for the three statements? Also, there is a list requiring copy-editing for the article on Talk:Daughter of Emperor Xiaoming of Northern Wei/GA1 where the GA nomination is failed. Could you help to copy edit them? Also, in your edit summary, you stated "dab". What does that mean? --Huang (talk) 07:45, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
I'll try, but can't guarantee I can find reliable sources for them. If we can't find good sources, it's probably better to delete the statements and it won't affect the article much. Dab is short for disambiguation. -Zanhe (talk) 09:29, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
I cited reliable sources for all of them except for the fact that there was no more historical records about her. If you find more reliable sources, feel free to replace them as you wish. --Huang (talk) 10:22, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
I found a more reliable source for the "no more historical records" fact, and copyedited the article a bit. The DYK is fine, but I cannot approve the hook I proposed myself, so I've requested another reviewer. -Zanhe (talk) 07:32, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
In addition, the preferred method to "start a new page" is to move the page from its current title to its new title. If you create a brand new page (and then turn the "old" page into a redirect) instead of moving the page, conflicts are created with attributing contributions to the other editors who worked on the "old" page. Most of the time, in valid "moves" like the ones created by copying the text from another article and then editing it, a situation that requires a history merge is created. Situations like that should always be avoided whenever possible.
I started rewriting the articles after the closure of the recent round of AfD discussions, before the RfC started. They were not moves at all, they were rewritten completely from scratch. The former articles were so poorly written that almost nothing was worth salvaging. They had been subject to numerous AfD, merge, and WP:TNT discussions, and had been moved around, merged, and restored repeatedly, without consensus. Some of the titles were also plain wrong. Li (surname meaning "whetstone")? Li does not even mean whetstone! See its dictionary entry.
I wish someone had notified me of the RfC before I committed several days of my time researching sources and rewriting the articles. But honesty I really don't think the RfC is even necessary. The person who started the RfC is well aware of the long discussion in July at Wikipedia talk:AT, where User:Obiwankenobi convincingly demonstrated how reliable sources treat this issue, and suggested the naming scheme that I followed when creating the new articles. His argument received nearly unanimous support at that discussion. If that's not consensus, I don't know what is. -Zanhe (talk) 00:48, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
In all honestly, I agree with trying to figure out why and RfC is necessary when there was a move discussion happening for this, especially after reviewing the archive discussion. However, given that this RfC directly relates to the articles which I reverted that are part of the Li (surname) chain, moving them elsewhere at this time (until the RfC is closed) would be considered controversial.
Also, I see that you have already reverted one of my changes. I'm not going to unintentionally start an edit war with you regarding this, but I would recommend changing it back until the RfC is closed (given that making any changes to the articles right now can be considered controversial). Steel1943 (talk) 01:00, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
No offense taken, given the fact that I know next to nothing about this subject and honestly don't have the time to figure it out. I just, more or less, have an understanding of how Wikipedia works. The action you took to create those "Li" articles and redirect the "Li (surname meaning "....") was not established as consensus on the RFC discussion. Even though precedent might have been stated in the archived discussion you presented, the community of editors had the option to go against previous consensus and possibly establish a different consensus for the "Li" surname articles. In fact, these points you are directing towards me right now are points that belong in the RFC; I honestly have no desire to get into the discussion regarding he proper title of these articles. And, from an outsider to the RFC who has an understand of how Wikipedia works, your action to create those articles was a bold series of edits that should have not happened (yet) since consensus is still in the process of being formed on the RFC.
@Wikimedes: I apologize; I misread your statement. (In a nutshell, I thought the first word of your second sentence was "Could" instead of "Currently".) Honestly, since yes, they will have to eventually be merged, it is actually probably best for both talk pages to target the same talk page so that the discussion can be centralized. Steel1943 (talk) 02:47, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
Works for me. (Sorry about the confusion; it would have been clearer if I had written "while there are separate articles" instead of "if there are separate articles" and shortened the previous sentence.)--Wikimedes (talk) 04:11, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
DYK for Rou Shi
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DYK for Xin Zhui
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Check it out. I found the policies I'm addressing and the one you and Kave are defending has a giant banner saying it's out of date, disputed, and nonbinding. Kave is simply wrong thinking that people don't call Wu by his name all the time. You lead in with "Emperor Wu", sure, but after that it's a simple name and treated as such. It's the exact same as King Charles II of England; but the page name doesn't include that title. I think it is helpful all around if the pages very clearly differentiate the treatment of the name Wu of Han and the Hongwu Emperor; it might help keep them from treating his name the same way.
I've already done everything through the Northern Qi and can finish later today if there's no problem. If you or whoever revert the existing edits, kindly remember to keep the redirects. — LlywelynII02:09, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
Liu Che would be the equivalent of Charles II: they're both personal names. Emperor Wu, however, is a posthumous name, which has no equivalent in Europe. Conventionally, posthumous names are accompanied by the title, so they can be distinguished from personal names, which are used by themselves. In any case, it wasn't a good idea for you to start moving hundreds of articles without establishing consensus first. -Zanhe (talk) 05:44, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
Fan Sui reverts
Zanhe,
I have recently undone a number of your edits where you changed "Fan Sui" to "Fan Ju". This is an old problem where most scholars believe the Shiji has a textual error (雎 instead of 睢). See Wang Shumin's 王叔岷 Shiji jiaozheng 史記斠證 (cited in Nienhauser, ed (1994), Grand Scribe's Records, vol. 7) for a detailed note on this issue.
Hey interesting, I was posting on your talk page at the same time. Actually from what I've read, Shiji used Sui instead of Ju, but Zhan Guo Ce and Han Feizi use Ju instead of Sui. And most Chinese scholars now agree it's Ju as that was a common given name of Qin and Han. Crump and Watson also use Fan Ju in their translations. But anyways, it's probably not worth arguing too much about. Correct or not, both are commonly used. -Zanhe (talk) 07:06, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
Hi Zanhe,
I'm not an expert on Chinese names, but even if this is inconsistent with the original language, I have a major concern with you changing the name order of Shijun Liao to Liao Shijun. In the entirety of the publications written by Dr. Liao in english, his name has been ordered Shijun Liao and never the other way around. Because this is how he is known in his academic field in the english-speaking world (especially as the author of two published research monographs), I strongly suggest the article move be reverted.
Rememberlands (talk) 10:25, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for the note. In English academic publications, it is customary to rearrange the names of Chinese authors using the Western order, probably to avoid citation errors. However, the convention on Wikipedia is to preserve the original name order except for overseas Chinese. See Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Chinese)#Order of names. -Zanhe (talk) 10:42, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
You are actually not supposed to translate the footnotes but to leave it in the original language, or else make notes at the side. It's fine since you did, but it would be and is problematic, like 卷152 translates to vol./volume 152 instead of "roll". I suggest to change back to the original Chinese, what do you think? --Huang (talk) 14:16, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
You're mistaken. I did not translate the footnotes, User:LlywelynII did. Using Chinese footnotes is fine, but the title of the quoted work should be translated, and I think that point was raised in the GA review. So I think LlywelynII's work is fine. But I do agree that 卷 should be translated to volume instead of roll. Cheers, -Zanhe (talk) 19:15, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
Using Chinese footnotes is not fine: You can use foreign sources if there is no English version (or in any case, no as-good English version) but you should always provide English versions of the names and generally pull and run parallel translation the passages. Thanks for your work, but that page needs far more work than I did.
N华人文化世界. 天津海外联谊会. 1995. p. 92.
Y "华人文化世界" ["Huaren Wenhua Shijie"], p. 92. 天津海外联谊会 [Tianjin Haiwai Lianyi Hui], 1995. (in Chinese)
YThe World of Chinese Culture, p. 92. Tianjin Overseas Friendship Association, 1995. (in Chinese)
Y {{nowrap|{{lang|zh|《华人文化世界》}}}} [Huárén Wénhuà Shìjiè, The World of Chinese Culture], p. 92. {{nowrap|{{lang|zh|天津海外联谊会}}}} [Tiānjīn Hǎiwài Liányì Huì, Tianjin Overseas Friendship Assoc.], 1995. (in Chinese)
I think some of the citation templates have built-in fields for the translated names and passages as well. You can use whichever format—e.g., putting the page number at the end—but you should note the language, which is obvious to you but not necessarily other editors, and include (at the very least) pinyin parallel text. Never italicize 汉字 but usually italicize the pinyin. If you aren't sure about English translations, you can talk to the people at the Language Reference Desk.
That said, if I mistranslated a term, sure, fix that. One of the problems of not translating things yourself is having other editors misunderstand them via Google Translate or completely remove them altogether per USEENGLISH. — LlywelynII23:12, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
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