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OK, thanks for your friendliness. That's just an automatic template for what I can type in myself using fewer characters. What gives me tizzies is this stuff. Personally, I think all history articles should be cited in the standard Chicago (or Turabian) style for the discipline. YoPienso (talk) 18:37, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Oh yeah...due to your editing history/experience I figured you didn't really need any editing templates at all but I find this one useful especially for placing on new editors talk pages or for where editors are having trouble with citing information - thought you might need it someday here in WP-land. And YES! I find the "Sfn" style to be a real pain to deal with. I know some folks really like it but MAN it is so hard for me to code...I'm converting all the #TJF cites in the Jefferson article to direct linkage cites and it takes me *forever* just to get through one single ref conversion. The good news is after I get them all done I sure as hell will know how to do it. Shearonink (talk) 20:31, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Re: Álvaro Uribe

It was a mistake on my part. Thanks for pointing it out. I've restored everything except for the link that violated the BLPEL. --Colombiaball (talk) 21:32, 5 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for that. I think Matarife should also be linked because it's supposed to be about Uribe.

Two examples:

Rick Santorum is linked to a hate campaign against him, which in my view is worse than a show that accuses someone of crimes who actually has been accused of crimes similar to the ones depicted.

In Sarah Palin's BLP there are 2 links (one in the infobox and another in the text in the 2088 campaign section) to the SNL parodies of her.

Those links aren't in the "See also" section; maybe a link to "Matarife" in the narrative would be appropriate in the Uribe BLP. What do you think? YoPienso (talk) 02:04, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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1971 San Fernando earthquake

What does a news article's "location in cyberspace" have anything to do with our access date? And no, access dates are not "standard in citations". There is a place for them, but not always. I didn't come here to argue with you about this. In fact, I don't really even want to talk about it. You are not going to be able to convince me that having an access date for a news story that was published in an actual paper newspaper in 1996 is useful for anything. Good day, Dawnseeker2000 06:30, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The access date tells the reader when the article was found at that site. Giving access dates is standard and is helpful. Note the last line in the section about citing webpages in the content guidelines:

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YoPienso (talk) 06:50, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

In other words, the access date is not required if there is a publication date. Dawnseeker2000 07:18, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That's putting a backwards spin on it. In plain words, WP citations typically include access dates. What's your reasoning for eliminating it? Do you intend to remove all access dates from all citations? YoPienso (talk) 07:30, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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OK, thanks.
I'm trying to understand why people are writing walls of irrelevant text in the talk section I opened. YoPienso (talk) 03:25, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Nancy Kulp edit

I am reverting your edit on Nancy Kulp that used Find A Grave as a source. I don't know the basis for your description of Find A Grave as "credible", but WP:USERGENERATED specifies Find A Grave as one of several "unacceptable user-generated sites". Eddie Blick (talk) 18:20, 30 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! I'm copying your comment here on my talk page to the article talk page and responding there. YoPienso (talk) 02:12, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Okay. Eddie Blick (talk) 02:46, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Jean-Pierre

Hi Yopienso. I just wanted to encourage you to dig a bit deeper into the Jean-Pierre dispute. Contrary to your suggestion, the dispute is not about Psaki's comments (though they did get caught up in one rollback). Prior versions of the article did indeed make wikivoice statements about conspiracy theories, and that's the locus of the dispute (for now). Hope this helps. Thanks for responding to BLPN requests! Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 01:42, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! When I commented, it was about including Psaki's defense. And now the whole thing has been removed. I'm not heavily invested in this and am not going to waste much of my time on it, but I will speak up when I see something I think needs to be addressed.

I appreciate the way you reached out to me.

YoPienso (talk) 06:28, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for "supporting" (my) small edits...I re-added her three languages, (which were rmved for some inexplicable reason!) you created a separate paragraph for the information, as I should have done, sorry. Thanks for the better quality section header, too. Very pleased that a much more senior editor is watching/working on details. Respectfully, Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 02:39, 3 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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A certain editor at Talk:Thomas Jefferson

I've seen that you've had extended interactions with a certain editor at Thomas Jefferson's talk page. I'm at my wits end with them right now, and I wondering if you had any advice for dealing with them. If anything, though, I just wanted to commiserate and know that I'm not alone in my current level of annoyance. Have a good one. Anwegmann (talk) 02:22, 12 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Can you email me? Click on the link at the left under Tools; it's between "User logs" and "Mute this user." Best, YoPienso (talk) 03:02, 12 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Not seeing it... Anwegmann (talk) 20:30, 12 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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hi

Hi, it's been a long time since we crossed paths. Thanks for the thanks, but FYI, part of my reasoning I retracted, as I probably read too much into the RS I was using for my opinion. Details at article talk. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 07:19, 12 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! Nice seing you. I remember your signature, but not what articles we worked on or if we agreed. Same for Ronz, aka Hipal. Thanks for dropping by, and take care. YoPienso (talk) 07:52, 12 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I think we mainly crossed in Wikipedia space. But at my age I even need RSs to remember where I put the keys NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 10:44, 12 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Striking comments

Hi, could I kindly ask you to strike, not remove comments when you change them: [1] Andre🚐 19:01, 5 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, regarding that one edit, I respectfully decline. What I deleted has no relevance to the comment I intended to make and would only introduce confusion into the discussion. I'd looked at two Fox articles and conflated them in my mind. The news article is relevant to the discussion, but the ten-day-old opinion article isn't. My original post was in error, and had been there only four minutes and not received a comment. I do strike comments if they've been there more than a few minutes and/or generated replies.

I'll take this opportunity to suggest you be less active in the Fox News RFC. You seem to be pushing your point of view very hard. YoPienso (talk) 19:31, 5 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I have already essentially tapered down my involvement to little-to-none, since my points have been made in depth. I maintain that it is proper to strike messages even if they haven't been there for long, but I can't force you to do it. Best regards. Andre🚐 19:36, 5 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Font color

I removed the disruptive font color and font size. Your comment is not more special than others. Andre🚐 18:46, 20 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You seem to think you own that page, so I'm sure not going to fight you. YoPienso (talk) 18:54, 20 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I don't own the page, you directly responded to my comment. It's neither standard nor appropriate to give your own comment special fonts and sizes. Andre🚐 18:55, 20 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Cool. Thanks. YoPienso (talk) 20:18, 4 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Please read wp:brd and WP:ONUS, it is the person who wished to change an article who needs to get wp:consensus for their change. Slatersteven (talk) 11:07, 27 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi! Welcome to my talk page. Who did I disparage? YoPienso (talk) 18:00, 27 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You should've went the RFC route. You'll not get a local consensus at Biden's BLP, for your proposal. GoodDay (talk) 04:14, 28 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah. But my long weekend's over and I don't have time to fiddle with one. I haven't been very active recently. Guess I'm qualifying for "drive-by editor." [Sigh.] Nice working with you. YoPienso (talk) 06:00, 29 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Thanks! I never would have seen the email if you hadn't alerted me here. Funny that I can't find it in my email inbox except by typing your name into the search bar. Weird. Now you have mail! YoPienso (talk) 06:15, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Citations

Your expansion of Ax Handle Saturday was excellent, and it really stinks that we must dwell on such tragic topics in the world. It's a good way to cope. I'm sorry that I must offer feedback on citations, because they all need to be redone. The citation formatting you added is like 3 steps forward and 2 steps back. They're all not just unformatted like bare urls, but some are anti-formatted, and some are forcibly manually formatted as if this is printed paper and not digital. Some are clues on how someone could create citations for you, but as a description of a website without even a url. You need to use URLs and citation templates like Template:cite news, as you clearly see everywhere such as that very article. Just cite them, instead of writing essays describing the process by which some other anonymous stranger had used random features on another website to find them somehow, or your editorial about the content. You wrecked one {{cite news}} citation, degrading it from proper digital metadata into that faux paper format, for which I am simply speechless.[2] You even abbreviated the word "unnecessary" in your edit summary, which is the pinnacle of unnecessariness, like a cherry on top. Notes are not citations; and you embedded a note within an inherently unnecessary note about the obvious to address and instruct the reader, which is unencyclopedic. Dates are to be formatted for the relevant country, and in complete words MOS:DATES. I strongly urge you to revise all citations you've ever added like this everywhere in the encyclopedia, because you're simply requiring other volunteers to completely redo them for you ASAP at a huge waste of their time, if ever. A great tool is WP:REFILL to install in your account for automating citations, but this is just such a universally basic process that I made examples and memorized the process. I do both. You can make a sandbox document in your userspace so you don't need to make dozens of small edits in main space. Thank you so much. — Smuckola (talk) 03:50, 25 September 2023 (UTC) YoPienso (talk) 14:29, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I may have time to respond later. Or maybe this is my response. YoPienso (talk) 14:30, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Okay that was hilariously stupid of me to put a comment on a User page, wow, for probably the first time in my life. Nice one. Sorry. Anyway, no need to respond except by fixing citations, which nobody else has any time to do for you either. Thanks. — Smuckola (talk) 20:25, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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J6

I realize you are trying not to get dragged back into the talk page there, and since my question is more policy oriented, I thought it might be a courtesy to you if I ask it here instead. You mentioned the specific word count. When is that used to designate article titles? I'm familiar with WP:CRITERIA and MOS:AT, but can't see anything about it. More specifically, are there articles where word count was prioritized in that manner in order to determine the title? Is it "per RS", then tallied for each and every source for a grand total, or only specific RS that gets that treatment? I can't say I've ever seen it done using that method. Cheers. DN (talk) 07:45, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Precious anniversary

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Thank you, Gerda Arendt. YoPienso (talk) 00:02, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Three new sources

Thank you for this edit, where you said, "Also, the fact that BLB was found to be a sock and subsequently blocked is irrelevant to the usefulness of the sources he provided."

Here are three additional sources. I'll leave it up to you to judge their level of reliability:

Associated Press, July 3, 2024: “Why was it a surprise? Biden's debate problems leave some wondering if the press missed the story”

https://www.yahoo.com/news/why-surprise-bidens-debate-problems-203215918.html

New York Magazine, July 4, 2024: “The Conspiracy of Silence to Protect Joe Biden”

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/conspiracy-of-silence-to-protect-joe-biden.html

NBC News, July 4, 2024: “Some Democrats say Biden's debate performance wasn't an anomaly”

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/joe-biden/democrats-say-bidens-debate-performance-wasnt-anomaly-rcna160151

Gd45ciq84303321 (talk) 16:11, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! The sources are neutral with regard to WP rules, and I am in fact interested in them. But it seems to me you're the same sock with a new name, and we do have rules about that. I don't know your history, but I suggest that since you've been banned, you should give up editing here under any name. YoPienso (talk) 20:11, 6 July 2024‎ (UTC)[reply]

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Surprised

Your comment: Are you truly ill-informed? or merely hoping we are? surprised me coming from you. My edit was along the same lines as it has been throughout this lengthy, circular exercise. You cannot say Biden was elected and then immigration spiked as if that was the cause and effect. Post hoc ergo propter hoc. I am trying to keep some balance in the situation. Gee has repeatedly removed the status quo text reversing an admin and violating enforced BRD. I truly do not understand why you claimed I did not know of other influences when all along I have been saying such and named even more. It is Gee that wants to lay this totally as Biden's feet, as if the increase worldwide was caused by him. He doesn't have that kind of power. One cannot ignore the situation. O3000, Ret. (talk) 00:27, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry I missed this regarding my comment made on July 10.

I found it incomprehensible that you were denying Biden took office vowing to reverse many of Trump's policies. He fulfilled his vow, too, as I showed from RSs, including this one.

Are you truly ill-informed? or merely hoping we are? meant I thought you knew Biden made a point of reversing many of Trump's policies but were trying to convince Gwillhickers (and the rest of us) that he wasn't. YoPienso (talk) 15:57, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Good grief. You two aren't making any sense"

O3000, the House, in fact, elects (not appoints) the President if no candidate receives enough electoral college votes, and the Senate elects the VP. Well a candidate (Joe Biden) clearly did receive enough electoral college votes. 147 Republican Congressfolk voted to ignore the votes, essentially attempting the appointment of the person with fewer votes. It's a rather important historical fact. But that was merely a parenthetical. More importantly, we are being inundated with IPs repeating this nonsense about border czar, and folding our contributions was not helpful, IMHO. In any case, it was obvious what Slatersteven meant and I think your handling could have been a tad more civil. Regards, O3000, Ret. (talk) 15:26, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! The House chose John Quincy Adams. Regarding the attempt to overthrow the 2020 election, a conspiracy of Republicans, along with more innocent ones who went along with their plan, challenged the legal slates of electors and tried to substitute illegal slates. How does "HOUse Republicans do not get to appoint cabinet positions" have anything to do with that? It not obvious to me that it means anything at all. The IP wasn't saying Congress appointed Harris as anything, but that they referred to her as the border czar; i.e., the term was in common usage. That's true.

Cabinet position? Who was talking about any cabinet position? The VP can't hold a cabinet position.

What meaningful contributions did you or SS make about border czar in the comments I hatted?

I try to edit politely and collegially. How could I have handled this better? Cheers, YoPienso (talk) 15:47, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

SS's post was clearly made in haste as can seen by the uncorrected spelling "HOUse". His meaning was obvious. On TPs, we often make such errors particularly on active articles where there are so many interruptions with multiple editors editing at once (and so many other contentious articles swamped with new editors coming in from social media). It's also more likely when responding over and over and over to the same nonsense. My parenthetical was merely a touch of irony. Anywho, your response along with the hat closing off response wasn't too cool. It would have ended there with no response and no hat, and the responses that the House cannot appoint folks in the Executive branch would have stood. Just my opinion. O3000, Ret. (talk) 16:08, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, O3000, I thought I'd replied days ago to your friendly response. I came here because I had a notice of a comment from someone else, and found my unfinished and unposted comment to you. This is what I found:

I stand by The IP wasn't saying Congress appointed Harris as anything, but that they referred to her as the border czar; i.e., the term was in common usage. In your haste, you and SS morphed the IP's words from "used the term" to "appointed" and "declared." The IP wasn't ascribing agency to Congress, but pointing out "border czar" was a commonly used term for Harris's responsibility wrt immigration, which it was, and not only by detractors. Now that she's competing against Trump, her role has come under scrutiny.

Not sure what I would do if this were happening today. I do very much appreciate you input and your civility. I hope to avoid alienating you, but to work toward ever greater collegiality. YoPienso (talk) 19:26, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

KH

Hello there. I thank you as well for your considerate and collegial replies. I'm posting here because I'm trying to reduce my footprint at the RfC. You are welcome to uncollapse whatever portion of the extended conversation you'd like.

I agree that the terms we dispute are but two aspects of the same thing, one a reference to the body, the other to the land. For me it is mainly a question of the precedent on WP: We refer to Blacks who hold (or have/had held) political office—from before emancipation until now, women and men—as African American. When I began exploring their pages, I hadn't imagined how unanimous this usage would be. To make an exception for KH, would require more (in my view) than only an appeal to MOS:IDENTITY, for they all called themselves Black every now and then. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 19:15, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I thank you again. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 19:24, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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