Hi Yboy83. Why you remove ref from List of British records in swimming whithout replacing it with another ref (maybe a source of an article)? Apart from that, look at refs 24 and 41! There are not only refs like you describe. A ref from omegatiming is very able to attest just the time, better than no ref at all! Thank you for answer. Good work! Montell 74 (talk) 06:28, 24 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Ref 24 (link fixed now) states "GBREC" next to the swimmer's name and time. Ref 41 is positioned next to the note regarding Liam Tancock's 100 m individual medley which is incorrectly listed in British Swimming's record list. I am in the process of sourcing references for all records still requiring references including Gilchrist's 200 m breaststroke that you talk of. Thank's for you continued efforts in keeping the swimming records articles up to date. I think now that World Cup season is over, we should concentrate on ensuring the world record progression articles are up to date. Yboy83 (talk) 09:08, 24 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Yboy83, if you would like people to be polite in their commenting to you, your comments on edits should be polite (your note on your recent edit to Template:Fina world champs is a bit abrupt). This is not to say that what I am about to put here is not meant politely or to be constructive. As for the word "Synchro", I placed the term there because it is how FINA calls the discipline on website, and is a fairly common term used for the sport. (It also avoids a battle of whether "Synchronized" should be spelled with an "s" or "z" in the third letter from the end, is more compact design/layout wise, and does not lead to trouble over not initial cap'ing the "s" in swimming in the full name of the discipline.)
As for the MOS and the space (e.g. "50m"): I have read the MOS; perhaps you should review it, as you seem to be ignoring this part: "Some disciplines use units not approved by the BIPM, or write them differently from BIPM-prescribed format. When a clear majority of the sources relevant to those disciplines use such units, articles should follow this (e.g., using cc in automotive articles and not cm3). Such non-standard units are always linked on first use."
Forcing the BIPM style on FINA is not Wikipedia style.
You have again lower-cased portions of the discipline's name ("Open Water"-->"Open water", "Synchronized swimming", "Water Polo"-->"Water polo"): why? An equivalent would be writing "Great britain": would you do that?
If some of this sounds familiar, it is because you have again not provide a further explanation to your stock/standard/normal reasoning/answer for why you change these things, which is--again--what I am trying to understand/get. I am still under the impression that you are ignoring FINA's nomenclature, and Wikipedia's MOS which is designed to honor (or honour) that. Your continued use of the same, stock reasoning for these implementations only leads me to believe that you don't actually think about why something might have been put the way it is, and that perhaps you're only trying to go through things as quickly as possible and make them match your system of things (which is also based on your moving of pages, and then not bothering to adjust any of "what links to this page" to the new page. I am trying to understand your changes and to see them as valid. Yet all you give me is "because I say so"--I need more of an explanation than that. I see you your edits as wrong and you've not given me any reason to think otherwise. -Hooperswim (talk) 23:44, 31 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
In reply to ease point in turn:
Re: edit summaries: I was merely summarising the edits I made and for what reasons. There has to be an element of abruptness due to the character limit in place. At least I write edit summaries on most occasions – if you have a problem then chase after those who never do.
When writing the abbreviation synchro does it relate to synchronised swimming or synchronised diving? It may well be a common abbreviation used by those involved in the world of aquatic sports, but to the general readers of this encyclopaedia it's best to leave out technical or colloquial jargon.
Re: synchronised/synchronised: FINA appears to use the spelling synchronised on their website, with exception to events held in the United States. I suggest the most reliable source is the FINA constitution which also uses the spelling synchronised. This however is not an argument I wish to get involved with.
Re: "compact design/layout wise": Irrelevant for a footer template that on most occasions is auto-hidden.
Re: WP:UNITS: The point of argument you talk of is irrelevant - cc and cm3 are the same unit (cubic centimetres) – this point of the MOS deals with such issues where the units are written differently, and not the "style" as you think. As for the argument of 50m or 50 m, the unit is written the same, but the latter follows the formatting used by Wikipedia per "Values and unit symbols are always separated by a non-breaking space." Note the word always and that there are no exceptions listed for such cases. The FINA manual of style (if one exists) appears to not use a space. Wikipedia does.
On a similar topic, I take note of some of your recent edits to open water championships. The unit K is Kelvin, a measure of temperature. The phrase 10K open water swimming is a colloquial way of saying 10 kilometres open water swimming, however to a fair proportion of scientifically minded readers of Wikipedia it means –263.15 °C open water swimming. As per my other comment above, it is always best to avoid technical jargon and abbreviations. Furthermore, the FINA Open Water Swimming Rules and what appears to be the entire FINA website never uses the abbreviations 5K, 10K or 25K, instead always using 5km, 10km and 25km (formatted per Wikipedia as 5 km, 10 km, 25 km).
As per WP:UNITS"In prose it is usually better to spell out unit names," hence why WP:OLYMPICS and my own edits have been working towards spelling out metre and kilometre in article names as standard.
Re: common and proper nouns: FINA World Open Water Swimming Championships is the name of an entity (in this case an event) and hence a proper noun, however I went swimming in open water is a common noun (a class of entities). In the {{Fina world champs}}, the labels Open water, Synchronised swimming and Water polo are common nouns, hence lower case.
Before you mention it, the use of lower case for event names/stokes in article titles such as Swimming at the 2009 World Aquatics Championships – Men's 100 metre butterfly follows the article naming convention used by WP:OLYMPICS and I believe in standardisation of this convention across Wikipedia. However if you have an issue, take it up with them. The decision probably has something to do with WP:CAPS which states "For page titles, always use lower case after the first word, and do not capitalize second and subsequent words, unless the title is a proper noun."
Re: my "stock/standard/normal reasoning/answer" for my edits: This is simply my understanding of the WP:Manual of Style. There are many others who have the same understanding, hence why Wikipedia works. Your understanding is at times different. As I have explained above, I am not ignoring FINA's nomenclature - FINA's nomenclature is fine, it is the style in which it is presented which does not match that of Wikipedia.
Re: moving pages then "not bothering to adjust any of what links to this page": Incorrect. Look at my user contributions, particularly between 10–13 January – I fixed hundreds of links to the LEN European Aquatics Championships series of articles. When I get around to it I will work on other series of article, for now though I am sure that the majority links contained within footers and navboxes are correct from my moves, and the redirects from other wikilinks are not harmful or a nuisance to anyone.
I hope this brings closure to your grievances and hope that you adjust your thinking to some of the (non-)issues that you raised. My edits have followed the MOS and other guidelines (for example conventions used by WP:OLYMPICS and WP:SWIMMING), and suggest that if you have further issues, then take it up with those responsible and achieve consensus on the implementation of said guidelines and any changes/clarifications you wish to make.
On the template, should "Synchronized Swimming" be split onto 2 lines? It would shorten the second column overall, and there's already 2 lines in the third column of Synchro.... Hooperswim (talk) 13:14, 20 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
--Billyboy1970 (talk) 22:58, 26 February 2010 (UTC) Thanks you for contacting me and yes I would love to offer my support. I feel that not enough care has been show where the Games are concern and anything I can do to help tidy up the articles I will do. Any feed back is always welcome. Thanks again[reply]
Hi Yboy. Basically following on from what I was saying at the project proposal — I think it's a good idea, but you will be struggling for interest in a year's time for instance. I've invested much of my time at WP:WikiProject Athletics (which is quite a wide grouping of things) but still things are quiet most of the time.
I've been quite involved with Commonwealth Games stuff myself and I will probably be around to get things in order (it appears that I was the creator of Commonwealth Games sports, although I can't for the life of me remember doing that!). Just tell me what you think needs doing and I'll have a look into it.
One thing I will say is that the hardest thing can be weaving information into a logical narrative. Games articles tend to be overwhelmed from time to by large amounts of text explaining the minutiae of a minor topic. Looks like 2010 Commonwealth Games has one already in the form of the The Queen's Baton Relay! Also, don't be surprised if this subject is gobbled up between Indian and Pakistani nationalists at some point either. It is to be expected on Wikipedia when either the I or P words are mentioned...! Sillyfolkboy (talk) (edits)Join WikiProject Athletics!
2006 clean up
Hi Yboy. I've given a jolly good hacking to the 2006 Commonwealth Games article. The diffs won't tell you much but the before and after is quite a difference. Basically, I've done some general clean up, put things into a logical progression, and hacked off a few things into sub-pages. I created the {{2006 Commonwealth Games}} template as a navigation between the main article's sub-topics.
I wanted to thank you because I am new to Wikipedia, and your editing plus professional looking page has really inspired me to create my own user page!
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Hey Yboy83. The European Championships pages related to the even year LEN event should probably be changed from "LEN European Aquatics Championships" to "European Swimming Championships"--the latter is the actual name LEN uses for the event which features swimming, diving, synchro and open water:
http://www.len.eu/?pag=competitions
Also, on the Template:LEN European Championships, the water polo championships should probably be moved out from under the "European Aquatics Championships" section, as the water polo championships are held separately from that event. Not entirely sure when polo split off, or if it was always separate. Also, Masters could be added to the template. Hooperswim (talk) 02:11, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Yboy83, I note your proposal at WikiProject Council for a WikiProject Commonwealth Games. Recently, a WikiProject Multi-sport events was set up. There are currently ideas to establish the Commonwealth Games as a taskforce under the project. I'm seeking your opinion on this matter; what do you think of such an idea? If you wish to commit to this new WikiProject, do sign up! Regards, ANGCHENRUITalk♨15:12, 11 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Hey Yboy. Looking for some help with above template. The city field can cause a problem when it links to a disambiguation page, as the entry for "St. John's" does on this page: World record progression 50 metres freestyle. I can't place a piped link in the field, because it shows up with the brackets. Any idea on how disambiguate a city link within the template? The Interior(Talk)
I refer you to two topics on which you have your say
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