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Category:Tennis people from Los Angeles has been nominated for discussion

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Nomination for deletion of Template:Virginia Slims of Boston tournaments

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Samantha Stosur

Hello Wolbo. I wanted to message you personally regarding the Samantha Stosur article. As you have an interest in this article, please consider providing sources before restoring unsourced biographical details, as required by our Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons policy. If you have any questions or concerns please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you, Yamaguchi先生 (talk) 20:50, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

Hi Yamaguchi先生, thanks for your message. Clearly large parts of the Samantha Stosur article are poorly sourced and in need of improvement. Having said that, none of the content which you have deleted seems contentious enough to require removal per WP:BLPREMOVE. The 'playing style' section may come closest to containing original research and has been tagged for a while. While the verifiability policy allows content removal per WP:UNSOURCED in most cases tagging is a more constructive and helpful approach to improve the article. After all, once content is deleted the opportunity to source it is taken away. I have tagged several sections and if no action is taken will take a stab at it myself. My proposal is to revisit the article in about a month's time and see where it stands.--Wolbo (talk) 21:43, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

WP:CATDEF

Reads- An article should never be left with a non-existent (redlinked) category on it. Either the category should be created, or else the link should be removed or changed to a category that does exist. I have noticed two recent articles you made that links to nonexistent categories. Please create the categories in the future or don't put in the links....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 18:54, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

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You should have received an email from me with a link to a form to complete; could you please either complete it, or email me if you didn't get it? Nikkimaria (talk) 23:35, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

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List of male tennis players

@Wolbo: I'm sorry about my controversial move of list of male tennis players to list of male singles tennis players. I'm sorry for not heeding your advice in the first place. Is there any way this can be undone? If it can, then list of male doubles tennis players should also be merged with the original article.

Rovingrobert, I have given my opinion on this at Talk:List of male singles tennis players.--Wolbo (talk) 14:06, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
So we've both changed our opinions? Right, okay. Any idea on how many opinions are needed to come to a decision? Rovingrobert (talk) 07:46, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

1908 Australasian Championships

Has the tournament taking place at the White City Tennis Center/White City Stadium (Sydney) but according to its WP article and this source[1], that tennis venue didn't open till 1922. Is the 1908 and any other pre 1922 articles wrong?...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 12:30, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

WilliamJE, yes that was wrong. The 1908 and 1919 Australasian Championships were both played in Sydney, but not at the White City Stadium. This has been corrected, thanks for the notification. --Wolbo (talk) 21:44, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

Alexandros Jakupović listed at Redirects for discussion

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Anne Shilcock

Hi, this is Kudoni; I had not noticed, when checking that my citations were still in place, that you had removed them. The Blast from the Past Tennis Forum is a very complete and hard working set of people who have accumulated results from the beginning of tennis. I cannot see why this should not be accepted as it is a complete and readily acceptable source of women's tennis results. I had already put a simplified repeat of my citations back on the document before I realised that they had not simply failed to save, but that they had been removed. Since I had already been asked by another user to make citations, I would be grateful if you did not remove them again. Many thanks Kudoni (talk) 13:43, 17 May 2016 (UTC) Kudoni

Kudoni, per the WP:USERG content guidelines a self-published and user-generated source such as an internet forum like 'Blast from the Past' is, with some exceptions, not acceptable as a source for Wikipedia. This is mainly because user-generated content sources lack the editorial oversight of reliable sources. In itself this is not a judgment on the quality of these sources, but merely on their suitability as a reliable source for an encyclopedia. I know that 'Blast from the Past' has a number of highly knowledgeable and dedicated tennis fans and moderators, but it doesn't meet the requirement of having a credentialed editorial staff. However, 'Blast from the Past' is increasingly adding the sources of their content to their threads and these sources can be used for Wikipedia, although it is preferable to access the sources directly.--Wolbo (talk) 23:30, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Virginia Slims of Denver tournaments

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Championship/Championships?

I noticed you change some championship to championships per common usage. I didn't look that closely but where did you find the common usage of the word for each individual event? I know some events go commonly and correctly by "championship" rather than "championships" so we shouldn't lump them all together. I would think we would have to make sure when to use the "s" and when not to? Fyunck(click) (talk) 07:18, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

The common usage is mainly based on the article titles which, with few exceptions, use the plural form instead of the singular. That certainly applies for 'US Championships', 'Wembley Championships' and 'French Championships'. In general tournaments which consist of multiple events are called 'Championships', although there may be exceptions. The 1877 through 1883 Wimbledon editions only had the men's singles event and were therefore called 'Championship' while from 1884 onward they had at least two events and were called 'Championships'.--Wolbo (talk) 01:10, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

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2016 Aegon Classic

Hi Wolbo,

could I ask you to fix this duplication:

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Looking at previous years (since 2009 all were named 20xx Aegon Classic), the one to be picked would be 2016 Aegon Classic.

Thanks. Kind regards, Vinkje83 (talk) 16:46, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Australia at the Olympics

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Nomination for deletion of Template:Norway at the Olympics

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Nomination for deletion of Template:Sweden at the Olympics

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Nomination for deletion of Template:Belgium at the Olympics

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Nomination for deletion of Template:Italy at the Olympics

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Nomination for deletion of Template:Japan at the Olympics

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Nomination for deletion of Template:France at the Olympics

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Nomination for deletion of Template:Netherlands at the Olympics

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ITF color scheme?

Was it ever discussed what the color scheme is for Ladies ITF events? I was looking over Bianca Andreescu and noticed the 125's were done in "silver." When I checked the guidelines I noticed we don't have anything for the ITF events. I've seen you fix many of these and was wondering what our ITF color template was. Fyunck(click) (talk) 04:49, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

Fyunck(click), the color scheme for that article seems to be the standard used for ITF events and as such (if confirmed) should probably be included in our guidelines. My involvement was mainly with updating the older color scheme for WTA events as well as updating outdated HTML code in these tables to CSS.--Wolbo (talk) 11:39, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

There must some compromise on formatting

There must be some compromise on older articles (pre-2016) that we can agree to? I tried several solutions, and what looked like a good one on Anna-Lena Friedsam, but you didn't like that one either. I'm not sure where to go but the ball's in your court for some sort of solution for the pre-2016 articles or all the articles if it can satisfy everyone. Fyunck(click) (talk) 23:22, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

It simply can not be that we have one standard for articles up to spring 2016 and one for articles created after that time. That would be nonsensical and an insult to our readers so either we manage to find a common understanding or the issue has to be forced one way or another. Naturally the first should have our strong preference but the viewpoints seem to be pretty divergent.--Wolbo (talk) 11:49, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
I've tried multiple table schematics (some worked out with other users), but you reject them out of hand with no compromise suggestion coming from you. Throw some compromise at me like I have for you and maybe we can find common ground. Fyunck(click) (talk) 22:48, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

Again on Guidelines

You know I'd rather ALL the article columns follow the same format and I have tried something like 5 different compromises, some working with other editors. You've rejected them all instantly. I think I've made note of all the compromises at the tennis talk page. I was even going to add another last try to the growing list but I haven't seen you even give it a shot at working the situation out, and that does seem a little unfair. We can usually work out our differences, and we agree on most things... why can't we find a compromise on this since the RfC came right down the middle? Fyunck(click) (talk) 21:50, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

My main objection remains that in this specific instance the article guidelines do NOT reflect project consensus which has been firmly established by years of editing in numerous articles by numerous editors. Therefore it logically follows that the guidelines need to be updated and not the articles. I concede that recently you have put more effort into finding a compromise solution than I have and can imagine that this feels a bit unbalanced. Will try to engage more actively to find a solution while remaining of the opinion that editing consensus is firmly on the side of keeping the No. column. Perhaps a way can be found to keep the No. column while addressing (some of) the objections raised. This can possibly be achieved by proposing alternative formatting schemes for the career finals table.--Wolbo (talk) 12:15, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
Well if you keep changing all the 2016 articles I'm going to start changing ALL articles to match approved RfC Guidelines. The RFC confirmed we keep the guidelines as is, that they should be followed, but that longstanding articles do not have consensus to be changed. I had stopped with the pre-2016 grandfathered articles as a truce, but my patience is waning with you recent changes. I've shown you like 5 different alternative charts in the last several months. You haven't liked any and have given us ZERO other options. Fyunck(click) (talk) 18:36, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
You talk the talk but you don't walk the walk. For all your words on seeking consensus you are the one, and the ONLY one, who is constantly edit warring articles to try to push through your individual point of view against a widely held and longstanding editing consensus. You are now basically on a one-man crusade and your edits are becoming increasingly disruptive. Think it through, this is leading nowhere.--Wolbo (talk) 19:10, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
Wrong. There are others also conforming these articles. You are the only one reverting them except for some suspicious anon IPs. You were really the only one insisting on the grandfather clause in the finalized RfC. You are alone in this crusade to go against guidelines. Another editor and i even tried to work out a hidden number column. (I forget whom but I can look it up). You rejected both of us! I'm the one putting forth compromises, I'm the one posting about the situation on the project page. You are doing nothing about it at all except reverting. I don't understand why but that's the way it looks to me. Can't you help rather than hinder the situation? At least I'm trying. Fyunck(click) (talk) 19:55, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

Template Madrid Masters tournaments

There are articles on the 2002-2008 tournaments but for some reason they aren't showing in the template. I'm willing to fix it but need to know how.

Another thing- There were Navbox links to this template in both tournaments played in Stockholm and Stuttgart. Click here[2] and here[3] for examples of what I did. I removed those links out of tournament articles because the template is Madrid tournaments only....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 19:09, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

Goolagong error

That name is not the problem.... it's the link. You cannot change a linked "Evonne Goolagong Cawley" to "Evonne Goolagong." That changes a direct link to an incorrect link. It must be "Evonne Goolagong Cawley|Evonne Goolagong". If this was just one or two of these I would simply change it and let the anon IP know. In fact that is what i did do. The trouble now is I spent two hours fixing and reverting last night all his errors. I'm not going through it every time for hours and hours. The direct link must stay if the name is changed. Fyunck(click) (talk) 18:47, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

OK, see what you mean. In this case it could be argued that the player article should be Evonne Goolagong (following her career statistics page) instead of Evonne Goolagong Cawley but I agree that if the article name stands as it is the wikilink should be constructed as Evonne Goolagong for her pre-marriage mentions. --Wolbo (talk) 18:56, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
True... the article name is subjective. She played under both names and is still married as far as I know. Usually the player is listed under the name she played under longest and she played under Cawley longer than just Goolagong. And this anon IP is also changing player's names after they got married, with no notion of when they got married. I was digging up newspapers to determine when the marriage took place so the articles were accurate, but after the 30th error by this guy (with revolving IPs) it starts to get hard to tell that any of his facts are correct at all. Some of his changed links go to disambiguation pages too. He needs to stop and learn how to change things instead of mass producing 100s of errors that need to be fixed. Fyunck(click) (talk) 19:22, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

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The Tennis Base owner interviewed on Canal+ Sports TV Channel Espana

Hi Wolbo did you see the owner of the tennisbase.com Gabriel Garcias interview on Canal+ Espana here:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wtQKU1vOGE discussing his website on this sports channel discussing the site stats I don't speak Spanish maybe you do? Canal+ part of the Canal+ Group media conglomerate.--Navops47 (talk) 07:08, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

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Navops47, best wishes to you as well !.--Wolbo (talk) 13:50, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

Tennis

I have a quick question. Me and another editor are in disagreement in regards to listing qualifiers in yearly articles. For example, at 2017 Bangkok Challenger, he wants to list the qualifiers in alphabetical order while I have them listed in qualifier order. Is there an actual designated way of doing it or does it really matter? Adamtt9 (talk) 14:45, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

Should I take this as you have no idea???? Adamtt9 (talk) 17:53, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

Tennis templates

I see that you are talking with Frietjes and trying to get everything on one line, but I must say that it looks weird on two different lines. Adamtt9 (talk) 17:48, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

Ideally the navigation element (arrow + year) always appears on the same line as the tournament name; that takes up the least space and looks neat and tidy. However, we have numerous tournaments whose names are so long that both navigations (previous, next) do not fit on the same line and the result of that looks in my view more untidy and 'weird' than a two line solution. With these kind of visual changes it is often useful to give it some time to see if you get used to it. We can easily switch it back if needed. I will create a topic on this on the tennis project page to get more feedback. --Wolbo (talk) 18:06, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
I saw that nowrap was mentioned as another option and that it would make the box wider. Would that be a better solution to the problem. And of course I can get used to the new look, I just noticed the difference today and it took me a while to find out what happened. Adamtt9 (talk) 18:09, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
And why does it wrap to a new line in 2016 Internazionali di Tennis del Friuli Venezia Giulia for example, but not on the singles draw article 2016 Internazionali di Tennis del Friuli Venezia Giulia – Singles. I know they are different templates, but can't they be formatted so that the name of the tournament fits on one line in both cases. Adamtt9 (talk) 18:20, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
Probably a caching issue, maybe because the infobox used an old template name (now updated). The downside of the nowrap option is that the width of the infobox is in that case at the mercy of the length of the tournament name and can become very (too) wide as 2016 Internazionali di Tennis del Friuli Venezia Giulia – Singles clearly shows.--Wolbo (talk) 18:36, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

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Brigitte Cuypers

Dear Wolbo,

Please participate in nl:Overleg:Brigette Cuypers.

Kind regards, Vinkje83 (talk) 10:22, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for contributing from your extensive knowledge.
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Why are you leaving editorially biased content in an article (Federer-Nadal rivalry)

"All encyclopedic content on Wikipedia must be written from a neutral point of view (NPOV), which means representing fairly, proportionately, and, as far as possible, without editorial bias, all of the significant views that have been published by reliable sources on a topic."

The content you have reverted is editorially biased. It is the opinion of the contributor. It is a conclusion that he/she had reached. He/she IS NOT presenting the opinion of an external third party source. He/she IS presenting an opinion and using third party sources to back them up. As I told him/her, he or she is basically positing an argument and using findings and commentary to support it. The section cannot be saved because there are no professional tennis commentators out there on record that argue that mono and back injury influenced Federer's losses to Nadal in 2008 and 2013 respectively. That is why I keep removing the entire section. The entire section is the opinion of the contributor - and the contributor ALONE. So, please remove it. This is Wikipedia, not a Federer fan club website. You might also be interested in this article vis-a-vis that page: http://www.latestnigeriannews.com/news/1621848/federernadal-rivalry-illustrates-perfectly-the-subjective-nature-of-wikipedia.html. . — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.208.96.200 (talk) 23:35, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

Hi the User:Liquid_foundation who wrote the article in the bleacher report in the link you have provided was investigated as a WP:Sock puppetry case and banned see talkpage here: User talk:Liquid foundation.--Navops47 (talk) 11:25, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
That doesn't really answer the question as to why Fyunck his being allowed to editorialise on the Federer-Nadal Rivalry page. I see he's been doing it since 2015. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.205.194.128 (talk) 07:30, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

Take a looksee

At User:Fyunck(click)/sandbox I wrote out a possible proposal for a new chart. Is there something you don't like? I was just going to do this as a show of hands, not a formal RFC. I would ping some of our more prolific editors to comment with no idea if they'll like it or not. If it's a snowball we could implement it, or if not we can always do a formal RFC. Right now I also have the date reversed chart there but I would only include one of the charts in the proposal on the Tennis project page. Thoughts? Fyunck(click) (talk) 03:46, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

@Fyunck(click): will provide some detailed feedback shortly but on first glance it looks like a sensible approach. --Wolbo (talk) 22:55, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
@Fyunck(click): commented at your sandbox. I personally like the adjusted coloring scheme, it looks fresher, but it would be a shame if the entire proposal is voted down because some editors do not like that particular aspect of it. To prevent that from happening it would be best to present it as a separate line-item. --Wolbo (talk) 23:08, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
I would prefer to see if everyone liked it with you and me as a united front. I figured maybe if they all thought that the two of us could agree on a chart it might be a really good one. I've been trying to listen to what others have been saying over the last year and some of the "good page" talking has mentioned the no need for the color going all the way across. Some had actually been created with separate colors for the different surfaces, but in my own experimenting it looked messier and really wasn't needed. Any thoughts on what columns to make sortable or not? Fyunck(click) (talk) 05:28, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
@Fyunck(click): it's fine to present all aspects in one proposal but in my view that should not result in an all-or-nothing proposal. In other words if one or two aspects do not get consensus we can and should still move forward with those aspects that do have consensus support. The core element of the recent discussions was the numbering of the wins and losses and my concern is that if we make it an all-or-nothing proposal the failure to get consensus on another aspect, e.g. the coloring scheme, the result would be that we go back to square one on the numbering issue. That is something I would like to avoid. Your thoughts?. --Wolbo (talk) 22:18, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
Oh, I agree with your assessment. I just thought that together we might carry a lot of weight so I wanted to show the before chart and the after chart, and list all the changes made and a brief why the changes were made. If you and I gave it thumbs up, and if pretty much everyone agreed (which is usually about 10 editors), we could incorporate it. If too many aspects were challenged we'd have to have a more thorough discussion and formal RfC to get to consensus. But yeah, perhaps everyone wants it to remain "category" and for that column and to remain right after the date. Perhaps they all want the day along with the month and year. Perhaps more don't want a No. column at all. I just thought that if you and I could agree on a single chart it might go long way to getting it done (considering they know we have disagreed on this chart in the past). I don't want a 60/40 split in favor of the change. If that happens I want to find some new compromise to appease the 40%, because unless most are on-board it'll take a long time to change all the current charts. Fyunck(click) (talk) 22:51, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

Request edit

Please remove edit made by anonymous user (IP address: 197.229.170.35) on the 30/03/2017.

I marked this edit as answered to remove it from the queue, as the edit has been reverted. Altamel (talk) 20:47, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

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Your GA nomination of Henri Cochet

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Hi Kaiser matias, thanks for picking up the GA review of this important tennis player from the pre-WWII era. As a disclosure, Lajbi is the main contributor to this article but he is no longer active since September 2014. This GAN is partially intended as a tribute to his fine work within the tennis wikiproject. I am however familiar with the subject and have made several edits to the article and should therefore be able to address any points raised.--Wolbo (talk) 12:02, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
Sounds good, I'll keep a watch on the article, so just let me know via the review page when you're all finished, and I'll take a look. Kaiser matias (talk) 13:23, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Henri Cochet

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Am I missing anything?

I think I covered everything but it always helps to have an extra pair of eyes. User:Fyunck(click)/sandbox/newguidelines. This would be a direct replacement to what we have now. I had to tweak some wording, and I wanted it to be as crystal clear as possible. Also, the old wording simply said to make certain changes for doubles but I simply said to myself, screw it, let's make a doubles and WTA chart so there could be no confusion. If you think wording could be better go ahead and fix it or let me know. I want it to be easy as pie to understand for any newbies. Thanks. Fyunck(click) (talk) 05:18, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

One thing I wasn't sure of was the standard Tier abbreviation we use for the year end finals. Is it "Tour Finals" for both? Or is it "ATP Finals" and "WTA Finals?" As long as it's consistent I don't care, I just want to get it right. Fyunck(click) (talk) 05:25, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

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A request

I write ebooks and the next one I'm working on involves tennis. There are a couple of general tennis questions I have about how a woman would start a career in pro tennis. Could you please help me? We can do the questions and answers by email. Let me know and thanks....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 19:56, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

Boldface rv on Nadal

Hello,

Please help me understand the logic in this: The key to the tables clearly states "Records in bold indicate peer-less achievements." What is the sense in bold-facing the words "Stands alone" instead of the record itself (which is supposed to be bold-faced per the associated table key)? One would imagine that the words "Stands alone" quite explicitly convey that it is peer-less, so where is the logic in redundantly bold-facing those words and not the actual record? To make my point clear, we are counterintuitively (in context of the key to the table), and redundantly emphasizing the incorrect column. In addition, I wonder if you find it as amusing as I do in citing MOS:NOBOLD, and then going on to ignore it in literally the same table. — Anakimitalk   21:19, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

Anakimi, in my view the tennis project suffers from a lot of unnecessary bolding that is counter to the instructions of MOS:NOBOLD, specifically the part "Avoid using boldface for emphasis in article text". The argument can be made that a table is not article text but tables are not mentioned as any of the instances where bolding is appropriate per MOS:NOBOLD and in this case its use is clearly for emphasis. So frankly no bolding should be used for either the record itself or for the text "Stands alone". Historically most tennis player articles have used bolding for both and the situation of only bolding "Stands alone" is somehwat of a half-way compromise but you are correct in pointing out that this is not entirely consistent with either the key or the guideline. --Wolbo (talk) 22:50, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

voting on Gonzales-Rosewall rivalry

Hi, I've seen you working on many tennis articles over the years, and you also made some edits to the Gonzales-Rosewall rivalry article. There are some people who want to delete it for reasons that elude me. Some of us are now voting to Keep or Delete at the bottom of the main discussion of this at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Gonzales%E2%80%93Rosewall_rivalry. I would appreciate it if you could take a look at this discussion and then add your own vote to the bottom. Many thanks, and all the best! Hayford Peirce (talk) 18:39, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

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Player Rankings

Hi if you have any issues regrading your belief that ranking lists did not exist then then discuss it first on the articles talk page without removing a reliable published a source it is also incorrect to claim your edit summary to that rankings did not exist then as a justification for removing, then how do explain just this example Lawn Tennis, Worlds Best Players, Norman Brookes in Second Place 1913. --Navops47 (talk) 02:04, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
Hi Navops47, I am well aware that world rankings started in 1913 but they did not exist before that time and the articles in question should therefore not state that they did. That would be incorrect and misleading to our readers. I have corrected the Norman Brookes ranking from a non-existent No. 1 in 1907 to a No. 2 in 1913 per A. Wallis Myers.--Wolbo (talk) 02:11, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
I'm sorry I disagree adding a claim requires that you verify it from a reliable published source (published) in this case this book source here https://www.amazon.com/The Concise History of Tennis by Karoly Mazak (Author) and with due respect neither you nor I are NOT qualified tennis historians with a Phd to make that judgement call therefore you should not be removing it either unless of course you are published. I would also suggest that you need to discuss further in regards to this article World number 1 ranked male tennis players for start and possible WP Tennis Project.--Navops47 (talk) 02:26, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

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Flags

Kindly point me to that consensus. How that would be in agreement with INFOBOXFLAG is a mystery; moreover, we don't do this for other athletes. The only time that tennis players represent their countries is in the Olympics and the Davis Cup. Track athletes, for instance, get their little flag in a separate medal box reserved for Olympics and other such competitions. Drmies (talk) 16:44, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

It is longstanding consensus and has been discussed. Those flags are used in most sources for the individual tennis players, just as in auto racing. I think the Indy Car racing topic was the last major discussion on the issue. I've also had to revert your flag removals here at wikipedia. The players do in a sense represent their countries since in order to play they MUST be backed by a country. They can't register without that backing. It is also why MOS has the line
"the infobox may contain the national flag icon of an athlete who competes in competitions where national flags are commonly used as representations of sporting nationality in a given sport."
I'm not sure why you suddenly feel the need to remove them. Fyunck(click) (talk) 20:00, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
It's pretty clear here--"in a sense" is vague, and "representations" is not; my above paraphrase of the guideline puts the lie to that vagueness. Being "backed" by a country (whatever that means--remember that the Olympics allows athletes without statehood) doesn't mean you represent a country; it means you have a passport. That's all. And I don't "suddenly" feel that need, Fyunck--I've felt that need for years; I just don't go looking for those kindergarten-decorated articles voluntarily. Drmies (talk) 20:11, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
Well whatever the vagueness is for you, it has been settled for years with tennis and auto-racing articles, so please leave them be. Fyunck(click) (talk) 21:18, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
I'm sure every editor has his/her particular dislikes about certain aspects of Wikipedia. I have them as well but they are not a valid reason to make edits that go against longstanding project consensus and that are explicitly allowed under MOS:INFOBOXFLAG. Tennis without a doubt qualifies as a sport where "national flags are commonly used as representations of sporting nationality".--Wolbo (talk) 23:18, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

Catherine Suire

Hi Wolbo,

do you remember where you found Catherine Suire's birthplace Tananarive, Madagascar?

Kind regards, Vinkje83 (talk) 15:28, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

Hi Vinkje83, it can be found in the WTA Media / Player Guides, e.g. 1994 WTA Tour Media Guide (p.262).--Wolbo (talk) 15:36, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
Let me guess: available on paper only? Vinkje83 (talk) 15:52, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
Let's be happy it is at least available on paper, otherwise it would not be available at all. This kind of standard bio info should of course be available on the WTA website but unfortunately it isn't. Anyway, here is a screenshot from the 1994 WTA Tour Media Guide.--Wolbo (talk) 16:24, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
I am happy that someone within my reach possesses these priceless papers. Thanks for collecting them. And thanks for sharing the information. Groetjes, Vinkje83 (talk) 16:37, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

Vilas Rankings

Hello - I do not know whether you like all the more detailed information I am adding to the supporting information column of the yearly 1 and 2 player lists, but I think it is valuable information.

You must see all the terse discussions that 3 of us are having about moving Vilas's ranking higher, especially for 1977. The Min76 just keeps going on and on and on saying the same things even though Fuynck and I have addressed most of his points. It would be useful if you voiced on opinion on this matter. Informed analysis (talk) 15:50, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

More sock concern

Keep an eye on brand new editor User:Zerilous. His edit is odd to me quoting wikipedia guidelines in his first edit. Maybe nothing or at least I hope so. Fyunck(click) (talk) 07:30, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

Lotte van Beek

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You seem interested in the Dutch speed skating team at the 2018 Olympics so I thought I could give you this tip: the personal bests of Lotte van Beek are available on the Dutch version of Wikipedia, if you want to add a board on the English version like you did for Esmee Visser (thanks by the way)!

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Sloan Stevens info revert

I'm not sure why you reverted the changes made to Sloan Stevens? Some were required since the term Grand Slam was not capitalized and didn't have the term tournament or event after the wording. A very few changes were not required. I had posted this previously at Talk:Sloane Stephens in the GA review. Did you want me to remove the non-required changes? Fyunck(click) (talk) 00:16, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

My revert was done because you unnecessarily changed several mentions of the term "Grand Slam" to "major" instead of adding "title" or "tournament" to disambiguate the term where needed.--Wolbo (talk) 23:43, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

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Gerard Scheurleer

Hello Wolbo, there's probably an error in the Wimbledon players archive. Scheurleer didn't play in 1926 after loosing a leg in 1922. The 1926 Scheurleer was probably Gerard Willy Scheurleer born in 1907. I've already sent an Email to the AELTC. Cattivi (talk) 20:09, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Photos of Belgian tennis players?

Hi Wolbo, I have been working on improving the article on Kim Clijsters to get to GA/FA status, and I've been struggling to find freely available photos of her. Many of the ones uploaded to the Commons have dubious or unusable licenses. Do you have suggestions for places to look? I noticed you brought up the Dutch Photo Archive on your talk page awhile back, and was wondering if there was something similar for Belgium? Thanks! Sportsfan77777 (talk) 08:22, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

Hi Sportsfan77777, no, not that I am aware of. I see the article currently has 10 images, if these are all properly licensed that is actually pretty good for an article. Certainly if you compare it to the period 1970–1995 which is a really difficult period to get good public domain images from. The articles of many great players from that era (Evert, Navratilova, Graf, Borg, McEnroe, Lendl, Edberg, Becker, Sampras) have just a few contemporary images, if at all.--Wolbo (talk) 09:17, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
Okay. I think it is fine for the article requirements, and also relative to other players from around that time. I was just hoping to find some more variety. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 00:10, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

Hello Wolbo hope your well please can you take a look at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tennis Section 5.--Navops47 (talk) 07:28, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

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Comment on Kim Clijsters FAC?

Hi Wolbo, I am planning on nominating Kim Clijsters as an FAC once it passes its GA review (hopefully in the next day or so). Since you are the only active editor with a Tennis FA, I was wondering if you could comment on the FAC. Thank you, Sportsfan77777 (talk) 21:49, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

Sportsfan77777, that FA feels like ages ago. Was a lot of work but also lot of fun to do. If I can find some time I will have a look at the Clijsters article. Had a quick peek and it looks pretty good in terms of structure and sourcing. Might be worthwhile to do a peer review before going to FAC.--Wolbo (talk) 23:20, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
Thanks! I am willing to try jumping to FAC in hopes of making it a TFA by June 8th. The worst case is they suggest doing a peer review instead, and then I would have plenty of time to get the article promoted by June 8th of next year. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 06:13, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

1973 US Open – Men's Doubles

Hi Wolbo, I'm editing the article 1973 US Open – Men's Doubles created by you. You cited the sources by John Barrett. I cited the sources by ITF, ATP and New York Times. There are several conflicts of sources, could you check which one was written on the book by John Barrett? 1. ITF and New York Times said that the partner of Rod Laver is Ken Rosewall but ATP said that the partner is Roy Emerson. 2. ITF and ATP said that the Quarterfinal score of Tom Okker and Marty Riessen was 5-7, 7-6, 7-6 but your version was 5-7, 7-5, 7-5. 3. ITF and ATP said that the Quarterfinal score of Tom Gorman (tennis) and Raúl Ramírez was 6-1, 7-6 but New York Times was 6-4, 7-6. Thank youPE fans (talk) 02:13, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

PE fans, Barrett's World of Tennis '74 also has Rosewall as Laver's partner. Pretty sure the ATP website has this one wrong.--Wolbo (talk) 22:55, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
Thank you! How about the quarterfinal scores? PE fans (talk) 22:58, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
Okker / Riessen was a typo should be 7–6, 7–6. Gorman / Ramírez is listed as 6–1, 7–6 by Barrett. --Wolbo (talk) 23:00, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

1973 US Open – Mixed Doubles

Hi Wolbo, I notice that you've added a reference to 1973 US Open – Mixed Doubles. Could you check what was the final score of 1973 US Open – Mixed Doubles on your reference? The ITF said that score for the first set was 6-3 but New York Times said that it was 6-4. PE fans (talk) 23:43, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

PE fans, Barrett's World of Tennis '74 has 6–3.--Wolbo (talk) 22:44, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
Thank you! PE fans (talk) 23:21, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
@PE fans: The Los Angeles Times and Chicago Tribune both say the score was 6–4, 3–6, 7–6. In fact several other newspapers show the same first set score of 6–4, so I'm wondering if Barrets has a typo? Fyunck(click) (talk) 18:40, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
@Fyunck(click): I've changed it to 6-4, 3-6, 7-6. Could you add references to the article 1973 US Open – Mixed Doubles? Thank you! PE fans (talk) 19:39, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
Yes I can. Fyunck(click) (talk) 20:16, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
Checked it with Bud Collins' encyclopedia and he also has 6-3. Given the weight of the sources I have reverted the score back to 6–3.--Wolbo (talk) 20:20, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
Would probably be best to add a note that some newspapers have the score as 6–4.--Wolbo (talk) 20:22, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
I actually can't find a single newspaper at the time that had it 6-3. Fyunck(click) (talk) 20:29, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
Could well be a newswire report (AP, UPI) that gets copied across the newspapers. Of course Barrett and Collins can make a typo, have seen several over the years, but if the ITF, Barrett and Collins all have the same score than we should give that more weight than scores listed in general newspapers.--Wolbo (talk) 20:35, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
It could but each article was written differently. Also the very highly regarded book, The Encyclopedia of Tennis, 100 years of Great Players and Events, by Max Robertson and Jack Kramer also has it listed as 6–4. I would agree with your weight statement, but it is perplexing. Fyunck(click) (talk) 20:45, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
Fully agree on the reliability of that source (a knowledgeable editor on a tennisforum, whom you also know, once mentioned he has never been able to discover an error in that book). That again makes it trickier to judge which score is correct. Since we have to choose one score and add a note on the other we might as wel keep it like this and add Robertson to the note. Anyway, PE fans, welcome to the wondrous world of comparing sources that do not agree with each other.--Wolbo (talk) 21:12, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
US Open website has 6–3.--Wolbo (talk) 21:40, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
If Robertson has excellent reputation, then I prefer to choose 6-4. I think the sources written in 1973 are more reliable than the sources written in 2019. So Robertson (1974)>Barrett (1973)=Newspapers (1973)>ITF (2019)=US open websites (2019). PE fans (talk) 23:52, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
You forget that Bud Collins History of Tennis also has 6–3, so Collins/Barrett/ITF are at odds with Robertson and 1973 Newspapers. Wolbo is correct that news services often get the same AP/UPI feed of the score. I wish I could find an Australian source that talks about it or Owen Davidson. I'm fine with the easily linkable 6–3 score as long as it's clear the score is debatable. Someone could also write the US Open and ask about the score. If they came back as 6–4 we could switch the footnote around. Fyunck(click) (talk) 00:04, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
I already mentioned above that the US Open website lists the score as 6–3.--Wolbo (talk) 00:10, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
Yep, I missed that post but found the link on my own. It's 6–3 with footnotes to the discrepancies. God I wish you'd archive this talk page... it's really slow to scroll to the bottom to post anything. Fyunck(click) (talk) 00:17, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

March 8, 1982 Women's Tennis Rankings

Hi,

I was recommended by a friend, Gertjan, to reach out and ask you for the March 8, 1982 WTA Rankings? By chance, might you have those or another resource that I can try?

Thank you!

Diana — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.193.165.98 (talk) 17:37, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

Hallo Wolbo, the Gertjan mentioned above, that is me; in case you wondered. May I recommend her to you? Thanks. Pommée (talk) 19:15, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
Hi both, the ranking sources I have are almost all end-of-year rankings. Have some weekly rankings from magazines but not for this date unfortunately. The WTA website does have weekly rankings for players but that only goes back to 1983 so it is not possible to derive it from that angle. Perhaps you can can ask around on the Blast from the Past forum at www.tennisforum.com or contact the forum moderator (Rollo). --Wolbo (talk) 20:47, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
Around that time the WTA was changing ranking systems. Also, while March 8, 1982 was a Monday, that was no big deal back then. Computer rankings often came out on Wednesdays or Fridays and the WTA went ranking by ranking with the International women's ranking system. There was an Avon computer ranking for the top 10 for March 8, 1982, but that's for the Avon Tour. It was:
  • 1. Martina Navratilova 1075
  • 2. Andrea Jaeger 865
  • 3. Barbara Potter 585
  • 4. Bettina Bunge 422.5
  • 5. Anne Smith 360
  • 6. Wendy Turnbull 345
  • 7. Sylvia Hanika 305
  • 8. Mima Jausovec & Pam Shriver 200
  • 10.Chris Evert Lloyd 150
Best I could find. Fyunck(click) (talk) 22:27, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

Hoad article

So funny. I was in the process of removing that same useless round-robin info from the Hoad article but ran into your edit conflict. Fyunck(click) (talk) 20:08, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

Hi Wolbo. The Lew Hoad article currently has Hoad defeating Gonzalez 7-3 on their British Isles tour of '61, but that tour has now been fully documented and the correct tally is 6-4. The full results are published at Tennis Base and in a new book, The Professional Tennis Archive, whose author found some of the missing scores for that tour. Would there be any problem in using that as a Wiki source? It is a self-published book (as was McCauley), but its scores for that tour have been accepted at Tennis Base and the book itself was accepted recently at the Newport Tennis Library. I contributed some research to it as well. In any case, these sources, plus two additional newspapers from '61 which I can cite, agree on the 6-4 tally, so I can cite 4 sources in all on that Hoad page.Krosero (talk) 17:25, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
Hi Krosero the book that you mention, The Professional Tennis Archive, is as you indicate a self-published book. By and large self-published sources are understandably disqualified for use as a source for Wikipedia articles (see WP:SELFPUBLISH). As the policy mentions "Anyone can create a personal web page or publish their own book, and also claim to be an expert in a certain field.". The policy indicates that the only exception is when the author is an established expert on the subject matter. Note that it is NOT sufficient to be an expert on the subject matter, you need to be established as such by reliable, independent publications. In my view McCauley meets this criteria due to his work for World Tennis magazine. Unless or until it can be demonstrated that the author of The Professional Tennis Archive is an established expert on the subject of the history of (professional) tennis the book can not be used as a source. For the same reason personal websites (where the publisher and author are the same) are also not acceptable as a reliable source. This may apply to several tennis websites that contain data / statistics on tennis matches including Tennis Base. For the Lew Hoad article you can of course cite newspapers.--Wolbo (talk) 22:40, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
Also, if you have contributed to the book or the Tennis Base website please be aware of the Wikipedia:Conflict of interest guidelines and particularly WP:SELFCITE.--Wolbo (talk) 22:50, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

Mickey Mantle income

Wolbo, how does this information not relate to Mickey Mantles' baseball earnings? I am mystified.64.229.32.48 (talk) 20:47, 26 June 2019 (UTC)TennisFan

I checked the source (PDF file) which you mentioned and could not find any reference to Mantle, Mays or their salaries. Also your citation did not include a page number.--Wolbo (talk) 20:53, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

Okay, I have another one.64.229.32.48 (talk) 21:06, 26 June 2019 (UTC)TennisFan

Actually it is not OK to add a claim to an article with a reference that does not in any way support the claim. It is problematic editing and it is not the first time it has happened. Editors need to be able to trust that any references added to an article accurately support the claim that is made. Please be more careful in this regard.--Wolbo (talk) 21:22, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
I have re-added the salary info on Mantle and Mays as a note and with a reference to an article on the SABR website containing that information.--Wolbo (talk) 12:07, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

Richard Gonzalez on cover

Hello,

I wrote it because there are often confusions with the different months of the US editions (original) and of the UK editions. The latter were published a month later therefore with a different month indicated on the cover and the imprint. Consequently the photo on the cover identifies better and more surely the right monthly magazine. Carlo Colussi (talk) 07:06, 5 July 2019 (UTC)

Precious

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Thank you, tennis player with knowledge of European languages, for quality articles on tennis matches and players such as 1877 Wimbledon Championship[, 1974 World Championship Tennis circuit and Nell Truman, for gnomish project work like tags, page moves and "updated infobox and lede", - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:33, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

Four years ago, you were recipient no. 1267 of Precious, a prize of QAI! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:47, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

Category:Rod Laver has been nominated for discussion

Category:Rod Laver, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Oculi (talk) 09:33, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

Year of Name Change from ATP World Series to ATP International Series

Hello! I would like to ask you about the source of the year which the ATP applied said name change, if there is any, which could be helpful in cleaning up the ATP Tour 250 Series page. Most of the sources I find so far are either really conflicting information (e.g. the ITF tournament page, of which they didn't use the name "International Series" until 2004), leads to dead links (like the old ATP Tennis website), or just plain not useful. The only other somewhat useful source I found was a wikimedia commons picture of the timeline of ATP tournaments (see here [4]), which is of course, unreferenced.--Ui56k (talk) 09:04, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

@Ui56k: I noticed this and found a source talking about the upcoming 2000 tennis season.
The Cincinnati Enquirer, 10 Dec 1999 page 33
title - "Revamped tour gives ATP new name, tennis new marketing hope".
It tells of all the name changes of Mercedes Super 9 Series > Tennis Masters Series. ATP Tour World Championship > Tennis Masters Cup. And "Another group of 60 tournaments will be called the International Series." All top players were required to play the 4 majors and the 9 Tennis Masters Series. Players were also required to play 5 International Series events. That commons chart is wrong! I see sources of sports calendars that show "ATP World Series" in Los Angeles from 26 July - 1 Aug, 1999. The source is The Observer (London). I hope that helps. Fyunck(click) (talk) 09:46, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
@Fyunck(click): Your sources inspired me to search for old newspaper article databases, and I found a Statesman (New Delhi) article and a Daily Mail article, both issued in the week of 15 February 1999. The Statesman one mentioned the Gold Flake Open in April 2019, whereas Daily Mail was reporting a Henman match in Rotterdam. Both articles used the World/Championship Series name, so I think we can safely confirm that the year of rebranding was 2000! Thanks for helping to find the sources in the first place! --Ui56k (talk) 10:47, 23 August 2019 (UTC)


Chris Evert's Grand Slam History

Hello. Why is the page Chris Evert's Grand Slam history not merged into Chris Evert's main page? This is a question of consistency. Not a single tennis player has a "Grand Slam history" page. Instead, they have year-by-year paragraphs detailing their career in their main page. There is absolutely no reason in my mind why Chris Evert should be different. I would be grateful for an explanation. Thank you. Best regards NicolasJz (talk) 22:54, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Andrés Gimeno

On 11 October 2019, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Andrés Gimeno, which you updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:09, 11 October 2019 (UTC)