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If someone can write a script that puts a tab on the top of my screen (like the Twinkle and Friendly tabs) to easily allow me to chance my status at User:Vicenarian/Status, I will give them barnstars and will basically be their slave for life. Vicenarian(Said · Done)21:04, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
You do use Qui, right? IIRC, Qui allows you to easily change your status; maybe you could request that TheDJ (talk·contribs) (the creator of Qui) incorporate a tabulated form of the feature into the script? I'd write a script myself, but my tech experience is too limited.
I did use Qui, but it's limited in the number of "status" options. And I ain't your slave! But I would be appreciative if you would give my very first DYK hook extra special former adopter treatment. ;) Vicenarian(Said · Done)23:22, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
If you're asking me to review your hook, User:Francium12 already got to it. Another thing for me to do is to ship the hook off to a prep area, but the general way of doing so is going up the list of approved hooks from the bottom – and your hook is at the very top. Sorry, pal. :( BTW, I saw you shipped a hook off to a prep area; you plan on becoming active at DYK? We could never use enough help there! --Dylan620 (contribs, logs)help us!23:41, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
Favour
Could you look at this and give me some feedback when you have a chance? It's not anywhere near done, but I'd like your opinion. Thanks, →javértbreakaway21:28, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
Moved some sections around per MOS:LAYOUT. Section headings should only have the first word capitalized (not how I would do it if I had my say, but I follow the consensus-built style guideline). I would put a "Synopsis" section above "Analysis," giving a brief overview of what was said in the sermon. Good start, though. Mark it a stub and move it mainspace, son. Vicenarian(Said · Done)23:09, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
Ah, a synopsis section is a good idea, thanks. I appreciate you taking the time to look it over for me. :) →javértbreakaway23:10, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
Per this it's at 1918 without the refs. However, I don't think it qualifies as a DYK because most of the refs are books. →javértbreakaway23:27, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
Yessir. And as to book refs, I think they mostly AGF and accept reasonable offline refs, especially from reputable editors. An interest of yours, or classwork? Vicenarian(Said · Done)23:30, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
And I'm a numismatics freak. To each his/her own. :) Hmm, maybe I should head on over to some of those coin articles and see if I can do something... there may be a DYK/GA in there that I can handle! Vicenarian(Said · Done)23:36, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
My Dad and I used to collect coins, but I kind of got disinterested in it when he died. I'm sure you can find something GA/DYK worthy over there, tho. :) →javértbreakaway23:37, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
Also, I just read the DYK criteria and it is "1,500 characters of prose", so I think this qualifies. What do you think? →javértbreakaway23:40, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
My pleasure, I am here for you, and the wiki. I might suggest rewording the sentence that backs up our hook, though. It sounds VERY similar to the source material. Vicenarian(Said · Done)00:06, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
I was going to make a big production of my 13,000th edit on your talk page, but instead wasted it on my talk. :( →javértbreakaway00:32, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
Oh yes, across many fronts. Check this for some drama that I am trying (hopefully) to diffuse, with my patented Vicenarian wisdom. Will it be enough? Stay tuned! How are you, friend? --Vicenarian(Said · Done)01:29, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
Well, you are doing well with a really sticky situation. Sorry you withdrew you admin nomination, but this kind of dispute resolution is precisely the sort of thing that'll get you the nod later on. As for me, not too bad. Working on a couple of new R/C model planes; I do product reviews for a major internet hobby site and I got me a beaut of a P-40 Warhawk to review. The thing even has preinstalled retracts which work like the full-scale bird! Will be digging into the writing, photographing and assembling real soon. PMDrive1061 (talk) 01:39, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
Hello! I noticed that you've been reviewing a lot of nominations at the DYK suggestions page. Thank you for your help, and I hope you will continue to contribute! As you know, you don't need to be an administrator to review hooks or to move hooks to Preparation area, so your help is more than welcome.
You may already be familiar with the DYK rules by now, but in case you aren't, you can check out the official rules and the Additional Rules. You may also want to look into some useful tools that can allow you to review nominations more quickly: the Cut & Paste character counter is a helpful JavaScript to calculate the length of hooks, and DYKcheck is a script you can install on your own Wikipedia account for more heavy-duty verifying.
The best way to learn is by doing, but here is also a quick reference of the things to check for each hook you review:
Thanks for reverting my re-adding of the Portugeuse thing. I had added it to the set I did and then it was replaced which made me think that something was wrong with it so I re-added it. Never noticed it was in queue, strange it wasn't already removed...--Giants27 (c|s) 01:24, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
That was actually my error. I added it to the prep page and forgot to remove it from the template talk when I did. I guess I was overeager. :) Vicenarian(Said · Done)01:28, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
It'll be a day or so before I get my "classroom" set up. But lesson #1 - always remember to sign messages you leave on talk pages with ~~~~. Cheers, adoptee! Vicenarian(Said · Done)17:20, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
Will do and no about the un-productive and i wont do that ever again becouse i now i take wiki seriously VTomi (talk) 17:51, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
Hello VTomi. Better introduce myself. I'm Spongefrog. I stalk Vicenarian's page, like many others, and leave inane comments everywhere (like this), I also do Vicenarian's thanking for him whenever I can. Spongefrog,(I am a flesh-eating robot)19:12, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
This is confusing
I am using my 4000th edit to say HI to you! So here it is..."HI!". Feel very honored, especially as I sacrificed the ability to fix a mistake on my userpage for this. Not as good as your, what, 10,000 edits, but you have to remember, I'm too fearful of downloads to use automated tools (and please excuse me for leaving a vandal-like edit summary). Spongefrog,(I am a flesh-eating robot)18:03, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
Don't be fearful. Do you use WP:TWINKLE, WP:HUGGLE or WP:FRIENDLY? All are very useful for a variety of tasks. Their instruction pages are very helpful, I find. And congrats on 4,000. Here's to many more!
Talking to yourself again? Yeah, watch the skies for those klingons, eh? They'll be at our articles before we know it with those cloaks... and stuff. And, is that a new cologne you are wearing...? ;) – B.hotep •talk• 20:44, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
Seems to me the Klingons have ALREADY invaded. :) Also, I've basically taken over preparing the DYK hooks. The next few rounds will consist of sets almost completely put together by me. Go figure. Vicenarian(Said · Done)20:55, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
Images
One thing i have always wanted to know is how to enbed a image. Can you tell me how to? —Preceding unsigned comment added by VTomi (talk • contribs)
Yes, I've been here 3 years, and V-man seems like he has, but still, between us, we find it tricky. :D – B.hotep •talk• 21:34, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
VTomi, please ignore this man... he seems to pop up everywhere I go and makes an absolute nuisance of himself. ;-P That was facetious. Please don't block me for NPA. Vicenarian(Said · Done)21:36, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
Hey, I was paying the V-man a compliment. If you want me to go away... I won't. But the sentiment is there. :) – B.hotep •talk• 21:43, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
The other user (Ravinder121) has once again deleted text that I have written in the discussion page and also launched personal attacks again.
Can you please revert the malicious edits and ask other user to stop the personal attacks and engage in a discussion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bal537 (talk • contribs)
If all you two are doing is attacking each other, there's not much I can do. If you feel the other user's behavior is inappropriate, you can report your concern at WP:WQA. However, you need to step back and take a deep breath. This is just a website, the other user doesn't know you and nothing here is actually personal. Both of you need to keep cool. Now, I can help you discuss your differing views on the content of the page as a mediator, but I have no more power to revert edits than you do, and I certainly can't make any unilateral judgments. Regards, Vicenarian(Said · Done)15:42, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
DYK for Insectivorous Plants (book)
On August 28, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Insectivorous Plants (book), which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.
There are a couple of ways. My favorite is to use WP:POPUPS (requires JavaScript). You can enable popups by going to "Gadgets" in "My Preferences." Once enable, simply roll your mouse cursor over your signature. A box will pop up, and at the bottom will be your edit count, your user rights and the date your account was created. This works the same for any other user - just roll your mouse over their signature. Popups also gives you a mousetip preview of pages, diffs... just about everything on WP. I highly recommend it. Vicenarian(Said · Done)17:50, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
You can also click "my preferences" at the top of your screen and it will show you the same information. Regards, →javértbreakaway17:55, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
Adoptee? Oops, my bad. Forgive my intrusion, then. :) I just thought he was a random user asking a question. →javértbreakaway18:01, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
And then there's Sponge. He's this useless, irrelevant, annoying person, who will interrupt almost any conversation you have (kinda like this one), and intrude on your personal space. And get on your nerves a lot. Nobody likes him, but they are to polite to say, and don't want to BITE him (he's been here 6½ months, but still acts like a newbie new user). Or at least he likes to think so, because he's so damn paranoid. Hell, this is an autobiography. I should put it on my userpage. In fact, I think I will. Spongefrog,(I am a flesh-eating robot)20:39, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
Not a problem, but be aware, out here in the cyber ether, we don't hear your tone. Hard to tell if you're joking around or being serious. I usually find a :) helps clarify my intentions. :) Cheers and happy editing, Vicenarian(Said · Done)21:10, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
I apologize, I didn't see your edit where you reinserted the comma. It looks wrong to me, but if that is the consensus style, then absolutely. Cheers, Vicenarian(Said · Done)00:55, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
I appreciate the work you've done at DYK lately preparing sets and verifying. Try to keep the two separate though; don't verify and promote in one edit. Many verified hooks have problems that are later found. I suggest at least 24 hours between verifying and promoting, and if you can, avoid promoting hooks you've verified. At DYK each step acts as a check & balance if a different person does it. You could get 3 people, then, looking over the hooks: the verifier, the set assembler, and the admin who promotes it to a numbered queue. If two of these are the same, it reduces the number of checks (and people tend to get more riotous if a problem is found after it hits the Main Page). Again, thanks for your help, and feel free to ask questions. Shubinator (talk) 22:34, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
Okay, thanks, I understand. I got a bit overeager... there were slots to fill and I was there to fill them. :) I will only promote hooks verified by others and only choose hooks verified at least 24 hours ago. And if you could great a new DYK bot... that would be brilliant. Vicenarian(Said · Done)00:51, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
If I was to reply to this, it would, let alone being unnecessary, most likely result in a response from you. I would feel obloged to respond back to such a response, and you would, in turn, respond to that. This would go on until one of us gets bored or, more likely, dies. So I'll not respond. Agh! Wait. I just have. Well pretend I haven't. Lord Spongefrog,(I am a flesh-eating robot)16:20, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
Welcome back! As you've already seen, when you leave, everyone goes bonkers. Anyways I've been meaning to give you this.
Special Barnstar
For all your hard work in vandal fighting, article contributions, for being very kind to others, and for being an excellent user in general, I award you this barnstar. Enjoy! --[midnight comet][talk]17:50, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
M'lord, you may do my secondary thanking, either reinforcing my thanks, or providing thanks in my absence. That is, if it so pleases someone of your high station. The V-Man(Said · Done)20:56, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
Personal Attack
Hi - you seem like a nice wikipedian who's more versed than I am in the admin-like policies etc. Does calling a wikipedian a "vandal" in an edit summary (as in "responding to vandal") count as a personal attack? You can reply here or on my talk page, I'll check both. Thanks. Luminifer (talk) 20:28, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
Hi Luminifer, thanks for stopping by. To answer your question, in general, yes, calling someone a vandal would constitute a personal attack, though the severity of said attack (and the appropriate response) would depend on the situation. The quick way to remember no personal attacks is "Comment on content, not contributors." This goes for any editor. There is a difference between "Your edits constitute vandalism" and "You are a vandal"; one is about what the user is doing, the other is about the user him/herself. Generally, no one here knows anyone else beyond the contributions they make, so it is only fair to consider those contributions to the exclusion of most anything else. A good essay on this is Wikipedia:Do not insult the vandals. Insulting vandals can sometimes have the effect of egging them on, so it's best to deny them recognition. I hope this answers your question. Take care, The V-Man(Said · Done)20:53, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
Thanks! Well then... Is there something I should do (in your opinion, or according to official policy) for being (wrongly, even) referred to as a vandal? I would let it slide, except for the fact that this editor has (from what I've seen) had a habit of alienating a lot of people from the articles he (I think I use this word correctly) polices.. Luminifer (talk) 21:04, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
If you have a concern about the behavior of a particular user, the first step is usually to politely mention something to them on their talk page. Many times, just pointing out how someone's behavior might be construed as disruptive will cause the person to step back and reassess, especially if they're not aware of the effect of what they are doing. However, if you try that, or it's an issue that more immediately needs wider attention, you can head here and open a thread. Regards, The V-Man(Said · Done)21:09, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
I tried mentioning it (even though I wasn't optimistic), and indeed got a negative response, so I posted it. Thanks again! Luminifer (talk) 15:21, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
As Javert said "Do not [...] forget my name[...]." What he actually said was "Do not forget me. Do not forget my name, 24601", but I have no idea what that means. (P.S. - Don't look now, but I think a vandal just hit your page), Lord Spongefrog,(I am a flesh-eating robot)20:07, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
Sure! It's my first nickname, other than MC, Midnight, and one from a vandal, Midnight Hooker (don't call me that). And yes my talk page, as well as Abce2's, was attacked by a vandal. He's now blocked. Cheers! --[midnight comet][talk]20:16, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
Well, Lord Sponge is my fist nickname other than S-Dogg, "O Yellow, Absorbent and Porous", Sponge, Spfrizog, Spongificus, Spongy, Spongefrizzle, Spizzilizounge, Lord Spongefrog, Master of the Strange, LSMOTS, and Minion. Anyway, I am going to call you that name at every opportunity. Or perhaps Albert sometimes, so that it raises discussion, and when I/you tell the inquirer what it means, they will say (or at least think) "that Lord Spongefrog is a truly amazing person". Hooray for hard-boiled eggs! Lord Spongefrog,(I am a flesh-eating robot)20:24, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
Just wondering when you would set my class up. BTW i do live on the other side of the world so i am hardley on at the same time as you VTomi (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 18:38, 2 September 2009 (UTC).
I'm very sorry, I've been busy/crazy IRL for the past week or so. I promise I will have you set up shortly. I appreciate your patience. :-) The V-Man(Said · Done)14:30, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
(okay I won't call you that again) Anywayyy, since you seem to know a lot about stuff, could you tell me what I've done wrong with the citeweb here. I mean, it's the second time it's happened to me this week! I don't know what to do! HELP! Lord Spongefrog,(I am a flesh-eating robot)19:12, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
@V-Man - Really? I never knew that. @that other guy - I normally do it manually, but then I went to WP:CITEWEB and copypasted it to make sure this time. Still didn;t work. I've been meaning to look at that Reftools business, but I kept forgetting. Oh, thanks. Lord Spongefrog,(I am a flesh-eating robot)19:21, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
Sure. Just enable it in your preferences under "Gadgets", then save. Once you save, just clear your cache and you should have some new tabs at the top of article/user pages: "tb", "wel", "warn", "arv", "csd", "last", "rpp", "xfd", "unlink", and "*". Regards, Javért | Talk19:41, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
Hmm. To use Twinkle, you just have to have autoconfirmed status, which you do. There's a thread about it here, if you're interested. You might try bypassing your cache, again, tho. Javért | Talk19:51, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
I have bypassed the cache multiple times. The tools reappear, I can't use them, and they disappear when I go to another page. :( I even put the code thing in my monobook. Doesn't really matter, I wouldn't know what to do with the tools, even if I knew how to use them, Lord Spongefrog,(I am a flesh-eating robot)19:53, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
←No, you only need rollback to use Huggle, not Twinkle. Let me do some checking around and I'll get back to you soon, unless Vicenarian beats me to it. Javért | Talk19:59, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
You're welcome. :) I'm going to leave it as is for a little while to watch if there are any additional edits, and also to see if other editors wish to leave reviews and comments. You should have your official review by next Friday. Cheers, The V-Man(Said · Done)01:49, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
Thank you for taking the time to review Household Hacker and ultimately for promoting it to GA status. I agree completely that it would require significant work to achieve FA status, and would like to add that I think it is a good example of why the good article status was added. The sources simply do not exist that would allow it to be covered in sufficient detail to be a featured article. Many subjects fall into this same category, which, I think, is part of the reason the GA status exists.
You are very welcome, Thaddeus. I believe you are correct with regards to the GA status. Its criteria encourages and recognizes work to punch up an article, while not requiring the stringent detail of FA. Take care, and happy editing, The V-Man(Said · Done)17:28, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
Hi
This is not actually a hi, it is a serious issue which will define my conduct for the rest of my Wiki-life. Could you take a look at this. I reverted the edit before mine (sorry, sorry, I misinterprited it as vandalism, I accept that, it was unexplained section blanking though), but (I think the same IP with a new account) someone reverted my revert, claiming it is specualtion and poorly referenced. I don't know if this counts as speculation, because it is reporting something that is speculation/research. I don't know. If you look at it you'll see. I'm not trying to say I'm right, I know I'm probably wrong. Help! Lord Spongefrog,(I am the Czar of all Russias!)19:02, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
Well, m'lord, best thing to do is take it to the talk page and seek consensus from interested editors. Reporting on speculation is fine as long as you stick to WP:NPOV and avoid WP:UNDUE. Yours laddie, The V-Man(Said · Done)19:06, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
Not all that difficult, really. Remember, we're all about consensus here, or as close to consensus as we can get. As to your PS, "laddie" as in "lad" (Scottish colloquialism). It was me signing "Yours SIR" except substitute "laddie" for "SIR." Aren't you Scottish, man? The V-Man(Said · Done)19:44, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
"If you don't know what to do, use undo – if the edit's a pile of cack, use rollback" – but seriously, Spongorama, don't sweat it. You'll dae weel. :) – B.hotep •talk• 20:02, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
In which a typo results in a ridiculed redirect and we act riotously ridiculous
Hi V-man!
I'm just curious about REDLINK REDACTED FOR YOUR PROTECTION, which seems like an obvious R3 to me. Any reason in particular for this redirect? Except, of course, for covering up the fact that you made a typo on Javert's talk page :) decltype (talk) 13:36, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
Yeeeeah, it was covering for a typo. But I thought it was a reasonably plausible typo, so I decided to make a redirect instead of just fixing it. I would feel no shame should an admin choose to delete it. Well, a little, hence the small type. ;) The V-Man(Said · Done)13:41, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
I apologize for the continued delay. Indeed, real life intervenes in most irritating ways. However, a critical skill required to be an effective (and drama-free) Wikipedian is patience and civility. Consider this part of that lesson. While you're waiting, go out and work! There's plenty to do and the need for work is never ending. If you're interested in reviewing good articles, WP:GAN has a nice backlog you can help tackle. If you're interested in fighting vandalism, head over to the WP:CVU for advice on where to start. If you just want something to do, WP:CLEANUP is ALWAYS full of thankless, yet vital tasks. If there's a topic you're interested in and you don't see an article for it, try your hand at writing one in your userspace. No need to wait on slow old me to get your fill of life as an editor. Cheers, The V-Man(Said · Done)20:19, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
Really? Was that at me? Well, you could find some development info, how the game was made and stuff, or whatever. Anything at all would be useful really. Or if ou have any idea how to get screenshots. Could do with one for the console versions (eg. PS3, XBox360, Wii). Bet you're wishing you hadn't volunteered now, hehe, Lord Spongefrog,(I am the Czar of all Russias!)19:05, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
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Thanks again...
I tell you, I can't believe this site at times. Peopleseem to think they have a right to add whatever they want and then they get their panties in a bunch when their stuff gets deleted, all because they don't read the rules. Thanks for the assist. Again. :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by PMDrive1061 (talk • contribs)
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Are you still alive? You've been gone for week(s). You've not been mugged have you, because I knew this admin once, and he got - in fact I'll stop. Actually, I'm just trying to delay the archiving on the above BS so you don't miss it, Lord Spongefrog,(I am the Czar of all Russias!)20:17, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
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Still alive, just forcing myself to take a WikiBreak due to being busy as all get-out IRL. Glad to see you're still alive and kicking, friend! Keep the 'pedia warm. The V-Man(Said · Done)21:08, 22 October 2009 (UTC)