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Ethnicity and religion
On the reverted edits of “Swedish Canadians” and “Finnish Americans”, just wanted to let you know that my opinion is that religion and ethnicity should be valued. I would like to be given specific reasons why you think it is unnecessary Servite et contribuere (talk) 22:11, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
(talk page jaguar) In short, our role here is not to publish our opinions, it is to provide verifiable information proportional to its representation in reliable sources. The concrete basis of MOS:ETHNICITY is actually general: if sources generally do not treat any attribute of an individual as central to their notability, it generally shouldn't appear in the lead or infobox. Ethnicity, nationality, and confessional membership are essentially particular cases of this principle we've specified. Remsense ‥ 论22:39, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Your opinion is that these things are especially important, and would like to publish as to reflect that opinion. Think about it like this, is a key fact about Swedish Canadians specifically that many of them are Lutheran? I would dispute that this is borne out in the sources. If it is, then it should perhaps be considered. Remsense ‥ 论23:37, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Remember Traditionally means the Religion that have historically been. Traditionally might not reflect Today, but it does reflect that Swedish (And Nordic people) have had ancestors that were Lutheran. In Norway for example, membership to the state church was mandatory until the 19th century Servite et contribuere (talk) 03:21, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I understand that. Given you are expression a dimension of the topic that is temporally limited somewhat, that can affect how importance is weighed too. Remsense ‥ 论03:23, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It is also important to remember that different ethnicities have different religions, for example, the Arab people are predominantly Muslim, but in Australia, they are predominantly Christian. Ethnicities might have different predominant religions in different countries, they might be a different religion to the country in their homeland because they moved to flee persecution. For another example, religion among an ethnicity might be declining, in that case you can use the term “Traditionally” to say what religion they or their ancestors historically were, for some ethnicities, you can use predominantly, for some you can use “Historically or Traditionally” Servite et contribuere (talk) 00:17, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In fact, that kind of nuance is also a component of why we don't rattle off readily in the lead and infobox as if it were merely another parametrizable data point, but instead discuss the subject in prose within the actual article as needed. Remsense ‥ 论00:19, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Doug Weller ANI is time consuming and I'm not sure if that edit would be enough for uninvolved administrators to take action, and while it was a poor edit in line with his previous WP:DUE violation about attacks on civilians, it's the first time I see him editing about the topic since then. Since he has already attracted administrator attention and have a few familiar with his editing (including you) I thought it would be best to first highlight the problematic edit. Of course if this continues and no action is taken, a new report will have to made. Given this recent edit, I still hold the view that he should not be editing within WP:CT in general, too prone to poor judgement at best, leading to damage to sensitive articles which in turn people need to deal with. TylerBurden (talk) 15:40, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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