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Well hi Calvin. You are right. I am very busy in real life. I have exams right now and don't have anytime to make some Rihanna edits on Wikipedia:)! I am so sorry about that ... but for like 10 days I'm coming back. Also I'm happy that We Found Love will be no. 1 in the US this week. You don't have exams or stuffs like that? — Tomica1111 • Question Existing?14:56, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
My friend, as you know, Beyonce's new album 4 is being handled in a catastrophic way (i do not know if this is a correct word). Please voice your opinion here so that we can decide which format will suit "Party" that best. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫)15:38, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
See WP:FACEBOOK which states that Facebook and Twitter accounts of the subject (in this case, the artist of the subject) can be used as reliable sources when the accounts can be verified as belonging to them. Thus it's not unreliable in this case and waiting on "more reliable" sources is silly and useless. –Chase (talk / contribs) 19:22, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
Another discussion, this time regarding "Love on Top"
You haven't heard Talk That Talk? I download it in original key ... ahh I adore the song :). It's great, it's my favorite. I also like "You Da One". And I haven't heard any other song. I am waiting for the album to be released so can later listen to each one :). I hope "Talk That Talk" is released as a third or fourth single, so I can create and expand the article. I really like the song:). — Tomica1111 • Question Existing?19:40, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
I've heard a snippet of Jay's rap, but I haven't heard the song in full. And OMG, Watch n' Learn is a complete shocker, Rihanna sings extremely fast in it! Yes it could be good if you could write the Talk That Talk (song) article. :) Calvin • TalkThatTalk20:10, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
Come on guys, don't argue. I really think that "Countdown" and "Watch n Learn" are kind off different, the same as don't think "Countdown" bears some great similarity with "WMN" and "Man Down". Btw Calvin, I respond on your issues connected with "Disturbia" on the GAN. — Tomica1111 • Question Existing?14:36, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
So let me re-write it then: The West Indian influences you are talking about are from the "Baby Boy" era. Rihanna was still irrelevant in 2003. So i guess Beyonce's West Indian influences definitely played some part in Rihanna's work, right?!!★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫)14:57, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
Beyonce dabbled in West Indian music on Baby Boy in 2003. The next time she did it, was recorded in 2010 in Countdown, as you just informed me. Rihanna's West Indian songs became popular during the time of 2005-2009, and feature prominently in her work, so yes, Beyonce has definitely been inspired by Rihanna in that sense, just like how Rihanna is inspired by Beyonce. And Beautiful Liar is Latin American inspired song, not West Indian/Reggae. Calvin • TalkThatTalk15:09, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
But Jivesh, critics also do not love Rihanna. Soooo what I would say here as they are very different artist, that have some similarities that were inspired by EASTER DEAN. Why? Because she oftenly writes their songs. — Tomica1111 • Question Existing?15:23, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
Oh yes, it was me????????? You wrote that Beyonce was inspired by Rihanna. I brought Baby Boy here only to show you that Beyonce started using West Indian influences first. I don't see any similarity in the instrumentals except the use of a steel drum. If your arguments hold, then Beyonce was inspired by Dutty Wine not Rihanna. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫)15:24, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
(edit conflict) All I was saying Jivesh is that Beyonce hadn't done anything West Indian/Caribbean/Reggae inspired since Baby Boy, and has now started to do it again, I'm just saying that Beyonce is inspired by Rihanna, as Rihanna has definitely popularized the genre. I think the instrumentals have a lot if similarities, but like Tomica just said, Ester Dean was behind both songs, and has written several of Rihanna's dancehall songs, so she definitely had a driving force behind Countdown. Dutty Wine features in Rude Boy, which beyonce incorporated into Baby boy at Glasto. Even my mum said that Beyonce was acting a bit like Rihanna! Calvin • TalkThatTalk15:29, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
Beyonce came up with those Indian influences first, it can only mean that Rihanna was the one inspired, and then she has popularized that.
If "Rude Boy" and "Countdown" have similarities, why did critics never mentioned that?
Dean wrote the song, she does not produce instrumentals. I suggest you read the article "Countdown".
You are confused... Dutty Wine features in Rude Boy, which beyonce incorporated into Baby boy at Glasto. That means Beyonce was inspired by Dutty Wine.
Acting like Rihanna? For heaven sake... Is Beyonce doing payola, is she vomiting her intestines in her videos, is he releasing an album every year, is she seen with a new boyfriend here and there, is she filming a sex tape with J. Cole, where on Earth did you mom see Beyonce theses days when Beyonce's ass is getting lazy as hell.
Jivesh please calm down because you are making me mad also. You know I am a big fan of Rihanna and everything that you wrote in the fifth statement is a paparazzi bullshit. Please calm down and keep good Beyonce-Rihanna relationships. It's fact that some of Beyonce's new song are similar to Rihanna's. The reverted situation was in the past. Rihanna was baby Beyonce, now she is a DIVA! — Tomica1111 • Question Existing?15:40, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
Calm down Jivesh, I'm allowed my opinion, I'm not bashing Beyonce. Rihanna grew up in the Caribbean, those genres are intrinsic to her. The vocal performance of Love on Top is similar to what Mariah Carey has done for 21 years, but no one compared them. Critics don't always pick up on everything. And what I mean't by Dutty Wine was that it was in Rihanna's Rude Boy video (Feb 2010) and Beyonce used it at Glasto (June 2011). Calvin • TalkThatTalk15:46, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
The it is Dutty Wine not "Rude Boy". And LOT is much more similar to Whitney Houston, Michael Jackson and Steve Wonder if vocals is what you mean. If no, we have to bring Nathan here as well. Now, if you are comparing the pitch, i agree with you. And check this:
'Love On Top' employs a similar pacing [to 'Party'], though tonally, this track reminds one more immediately of Michael and Janet Jackson, as well as Stevie Wonder. This effervescent throwback escapes corniness by reveling in its pure joy and as such, it becomes one of the highlights of the album. The numerous key changes that flood the end of the song could seem masturbatory, but Beyoncé is not proving that she can sing as high as Mariah [Carey] or Whitney because we already trust her to. It is energy and not ego that drives the constantly rising progression.
Yes I am talking about the vocal performance of Love on Top, not the instrumental, combining the use of high belting and frequent falsetto notes, except Mariah more often employs whistles. The stylization of Beyonce's vocals is very similar to Mariah. And Beyonce can't sing as high Mariah. That critic is wrong. The highest note in Love on Top is a B5, Mariah's highest ever note is a G#7. (And I did "Mariah Carey" in the Ctrl+F on Love on Top, which is why i thought there was no mention. Calvin • TalkThatTalk15:56, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
Okay so now you are telling me the critic is wrong. Okay... Beyonce is fake, a copycat, a thief, unoriginal, not pregnant... I was sincerely going to stop it but this is getting simply irritating... First you tell me its Mariah, then no, it is the vocal, then no critics, then the critic is wrong, etc etc etc .... I am fed up. I need a break. Let's talk some other day hopefully. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫)16:02, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
(edit conflict) OMG Jivesh that's not what I said at all! No one in music has a wider range than Mariah. Not Beyonce, not Leona, not Celine, not Whitney, not Christina. You're taking this such the wrong way. I'm not bashing Beyonce or you, I am just comparing songs and singers. You know I wouldn't ever say anything against you in a negative way, I thought you knew that. Calvin • TalkThatTalk16:06, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
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LOL, I was scared! I've never seen you argue this much before because you're a kind guy who tries to settle everything peacefully! Novice7 (talk) 16:20, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
Please don't ever slay us again lol. If this had lasted longer, I would have had a heart attack. Also, Calvin's semi-retired. Novice7 (talk) 16:23, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
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No, I don't think so. Until now there is not any info about it. However, I started working on the article in my sandbox, cause I am 90% sure that the song will chart when the album will be released. What do you think about my effort?:) — Tomica1111 • Question Existing?14:59, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, I think most of the songs will chart tbh. Yeah it's good, Jay fans will make it chart anyway. I'll let you do it as you like it so much, even though we agreed I'd do any other charted songs :P Calvin • TalkThatTalk15:05, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
By the way, "All three singles, "Only Girl (In the World)", "What's My Name?" and "S&M" reached number one on the US Billboard Hot 100, with "S&M" being Rihanna's tenth US number one song.[1] With that Rihanna became youngest recording artist to accumulate ten number one songs in the shortest time, surpassing Mariah Carey's record.[2]" is completely irrelevant to the Composition. I didn't want to remove it because it's not my place too. Calvin • TalkThatTalk15:10, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
I also think that the both of them would benefit from releasing it as next single. The response is positive and I also have some feeling that it will rock the charts. However, in one of the Wikipedia unreliable websites I read that in the beginning the song was not planned for a single release. But I think that after this positive response they are definitely releasing it. — Tomica1111 • Question Existing?18:37, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
No, I've never wrote a synopsis section, I just write the background and reception section in Beyonce's articles. I'm not very good in writing synopsis. My love is love (talk) 14:19, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
Overprotected
I nominated the article again... Do you want to review it? Also, thanks for reviewing Sometimes and helping me with Stronger again. :) - SauloTalk to Me15:13, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
You shouldn't really reviews articles the second they are nominated. Do you remember the drama I got caught up in because I reviewed Nathan's Mariah articles practically straight away? Calvin • TalkThatTalk15:39, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
What? There is some rule that the same user can not review two times the same article? Cause I don't know about it. Saulo withdrew the nomination himself last time, so I think that there will be no problem. Btw see you TP, I'm disturbed. — Tomica1111 • Question Existing?15:41, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
I didn't say that. You can review it again if you want. But what I mean is, reviewing as soon as it's nominated. You should let the nomination stand for a bit, because other people may also want to review the article, or a Britney article. That is why I haven't reviewed for about 3 months now, because I was told not to review as soon as they are nominated. Calvin • TalkThatTalk15:43, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa !!! So jealous!!! Please say hi from meeeeee to her and tell her that we are editing her articles on Wikipedia ! :D — Tomica1111 • Question Existing?17:22, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
Definitely, if there is a chance for a 5 minutes conversation, I would tell that. Lucky you :/ (Don't get me wrong I'm happy for you, but I wish I could also met her) — Tomica1111 • Question Existing?17:33, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
I might say "do you ever go on wikipedia to look at your articles?" lol. And I will get a picture of Rihanna performing every song, definitely one for Skin. Calvin • TalkThatTalk17:41, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, that's good idea. And also for "Disturbia". :) You could be like "Hey I am a very big fan of yours and really often edit your articles on Wikipedia and take them to GA :D. You should check them". Hahahah It's kind off funny, but If I had your chance I would bring that statement! — Tomica1111 • Question Existing?17:46, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
C'mon, are you really going to talk about Wikipedia with Rihanna? Lol, I doubt she knows what a GA is. You are awfully lucky though, I wish any of my favorate artists would come here, or at least to Toronto. :(. —WP:PENGUIN·[ TALK ]18:35, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
Lol. Shall I say "OMG Rihanna i totally love you, you are the bestest singer ever ever ever! OMG i love you so much! You are so amazing!" haha Calvin • TalkThatTalk18:41, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
Your moment, so make it worthwhile and memorable. Remember, this ain't some Disney World meet & greet with Donald Duck, this is RIHANNA we're talking. :D. —WP:PENGUIN·[ TALK ]18:43, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
You can be likeee Rihanaaaa I adore you, your my inspiratttion ahaha :D. You can write a poem to her anyway. Btw Penguin at least you are close to Toronto and lot of artist come there, here in Macedonia, NO ONE ! — Tomica1111 • Question Existing?21:43, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
Hi, Tom. I do not know if you have read them, but I left comments to your query on my talk page and you do not seem to have addressed all my concerns. Prompt fixes can mean the difference from an oppose to a support, and right now I am leaning towards the former. And I would not let it sit out for too long, else the delegates will archive the FAC page as "not promoted". Just a reminder, not a warning. Cheers! —WP:PENGUIN·[ TALK ]18:58, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
Yeah I know and thanks Penguin. But I still don't know what to do with prompt stuff, cause I really don't understand it. One of the copy-editors of the article. I don't know what to do ... — Tomica1111 • Question Existing?19:00, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
I have added NBSPs for you. See this edit to see how it's done. Ellipses (...) are not used in the beginning of quotations, such as "... scantily-dressed". It is only used over the course of the quote. Instead, it should simply be "scantily-dressed". —WP:PENGUIN·[ TALK ]21:20, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
Thank you about adding the NBSPs. And about the stupid ellipses (sorry about the expression but they really go on my nerves) can I simply remove them ... [Example: "... contrasting strings and guitars" (not) / "contrasting strings and guitars" (yes)] ??? — Tomica1111 • Question Existing?21:27, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
I removed all the ellipses. Now I will try to be fast and add brackets to every publisher in the references. Just to note you that I will only add bracket when there is a work and publisher... Is it that okay? And about the pictures you mean to remove the for ex. 240px and just to add upright? About the booklet also don't understand a thing:). — Tomica1111 • Question Existing?22:45, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
Actually, I suggest against your reference formatting. What I meant was only about the magazine publishers. You flip between parentheses and no parantheses. Stay consistent. Like the Billboard refs, some have "Billboard (Prometheus Global Media)" and some have "Billboard. Prometheus Global Media." Stay consistent, and keep it that way with ALL magazine refs. (2) You don't have to add upright, that's if the default size (without any specification) is too big for your liking. (3). Add the page number (|page= ) for the Cite album-notes for the page number of the booklet that show the credits. —WP:PENGUIN·[ TALK ]22:55, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
Hey I re-worked the references. I hope they are good now, you can check them again. Also I remove the size of the picture, the Timberlake picture is a little bit big now, but however if you say so. And about the booklet ... I don't really have physically the booklet and I don't know If I could find it digitally I will try. Was there any other unresolved issue? — Tomica1111 • Question Existing?23:45, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
I thought I might ask you a question related to the FAC and not my age lol. Have you thought about inviting other reviewers? Those two supports really don't look like enough to promote an FA. Look for particularly experienced people and ask if you can get their input maybe? :) —WP:PENGUIN·[ TALK ]21:23, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
Haha, Penguin you are crazy. Really, but really I'm not flattering. Anyway, yeah I know. I asked the User:Melicans, who has previous commented on the first FAC couple of hours ago, yet there is not a response from him. Maybe I could also ask all the other reviewers that commented on the previous FAC. Also maybe Legolas? — Tomica1111 • Question Existing?21:28, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
Well to be honest there were some contributions from other users regarding the prose. Of course, my level of English is not good enough for a FA. Jivesh and Efe really helped me with the peer review so they are not allowed to give there vote. I will try to "call" some experienced users to give their opinion. I'm really happy that you are helping me with this. Thank you pal ;) — Tomica1111 • Question Existing?21:33, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
Well, Efe began review it the article itself. And about the Jivesh, I think that it was me who asked, but still I don't remember... It was like more then three months ago LOL :)— Tomica1111 • Question Existing?21:52, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
She's not a bad artist at all. I just think she should make her singing stand out more than the background beat. I also don't like how much controversy she has been stirring up, from S&M, to MD and WFL. My favorite songs by her are "Don't Stop the Music" and "Only Girl". —WP:PENGUIN·[ TALK ]22:23, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
I like her a lot, that's obvious and I think I will love her forever. However, you are right in your points. When it comes to singing, I don't know why, but she is great in singing her ballads. You can clearly see here or here. But when fast songs are questioned she uses background vocals. However, I like her singing. And about the controversy you are right, but I think she will changed it as the time goes by. — Tomica1111 • Question Existing?22:28, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
To tell you the truth, I've never enjoyed pop music very much. I find it gross and boring. :L There are few pop artists that I actually enjoy, one being Lady Gaga, simply because of her creative aesthetics, never-ending surprises, and an extremely powerful voice. The last thing i want is for R&B and soul artists to become pop, a direction that Rihanna is starting to follow. The days of "DSTM" and "Russian Roulette" were great, indeed. —WP:PENGUIN·[ TALK ]19:10, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
I disagree that Rihanna is becoming a solely Pop artist. Her last three albums have have been very influence by rock, dancehall and reggae and dubstep. She is an R&B Pop/Rock singer, but certainly not just Pop. Calvin • TalkThatTalk19:16, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
"Cheers" and "WFL" sound like pure pop to me. I guess her music is sounding more electronic, which I think is what I meant to say. I certainly don't like it, but I can't argue with her massive number-one hits and if my favorite artist chose to work with her, she's got to be good. —WP:PENGUIN·[ TALK ]19:21, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
When Talk That Talk (song) charts, and you wanna paste your sandbox into the article, so it doesn't create a spilt history, paste your edits from the sandbox into mainspace edit by edit, so start with the first then add each edit in. That's what I did with You Da One, because otherwise a spilt history is created between the two. Calvin • TalkThatTalk19:31, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
Like, instead of pasting the entire sandbox in at once, do it edit by edit from the edits you've made. Look at You Da One and start here and look at the differences between the next revisions by me. Calvin • TalkThatTalk19:40, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
Calvin, if the sandbox edits are all from tomica, why should tomica go to the bother of multiple edits? A one-time paste from the sandbox is perfectly appropriate, except where other users have had an effect on the sandbox copy (and then it gets messier). In any case, (although I've never tried it) I think the preferred way is to simply do a move (rename), so the history goes with it. You'll probably need an admin's help, because the redirect is in your way (try looking at Wikipedia:Requested moves). — JohnFromPinckney (talk)05:05, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
I've done that in the past, John, much to admins discouragement, as it creates a spilt history. Admins don't like making the sandbox into the actual article, which is why I told Tomica what I do.Calvin • TalkThatTalk11:22, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
I don't see what's split about it; when you do a rename you have exactly one edit history for it. When you copy it in from a sandbox (bit-by-bit or otherwise), then you have two page histories. Don't you?
And even if I can eventually understand some detail I don't yet get about the histories, what's the necessity or usefulness of copying it in piece-wise? If you're the only contributor (up to a certain point) in the new, live article, why can't you just slam the whole thing in there all at once? — JohnFromPinckney (talk)01:44, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
Not really, because both histories are the same. The spilt history by making the sandbox the actual article is because the article wasn't created in one edit. I'm only telling you what admins told me, so... Calvin • TalkThatTalk01:46, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
Your mind is in disturbia, it's like the darkness is light Disturbia, am I scaring you tonight? Disturbia, ain't used to what you like Disturbia, disturbia, disturbia
Well, i echo your sentiments. Feel free to defend your opinion. I would have never shorten any lead of Beyonce's article if a reviewer asked me to do so. You know me... Lol. Jivesh 1205 (talk)17:59, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
""Disturbia" has regularly featured on the set lists Rihanna's tours and live performances since its release." 1) It's only been on two tours, one of which hasn't finnished yet. 2) I can only think of AOL Sessions and Radio One's Big Weekend? It's not regular. When was the last time she performed it on TV? 18:58, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
On three. Please see Good Girl Gone Bad Tour for more information. 19:11, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
Well, you know it redirects to Talk That Talk, as it appears under the title, you just click on it, then click edit, the remove the redirect code. I did put that it is your sandbox in the edit summary. If you was asking for an admin to do it, then does it matter if it was me or not? I was only trying to help by doing it for you, it doesn't take away from the work you've done. Seriously, all I ever try to do is help people and it always gets thrown back in my face. Calvin • Watch n' Learn19:46, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
Hey! I have passed the article for GA as all my concerns have been addressed, and the review has gone on for too long. Congrats! However, I am extremely terrible at putting the GA thing on the talk page, because I always end up messing that up. Could you give me a hand? Thanks for all your hard work. Basilisk4u (talk) 00:04, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
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LOL. No, I am not angry, I can not be angry on you... you helped me a lot with "Rehab" and you are still doing, but I certainly have a question. Why don't you failed so quickly and didn't add your points. For example, on the first review Nathan waited for us like month and more :) ! — Tomica1111 • Question Existing?22:19, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
I put so much time and effort into that review for you, it took me ages. To be honest, looking back now, it was an undeniable fail. But, unlike some people, I don't really like to fail articles straight away. I have always given the editor the opportunity to resolve issues. Loud had been waiting for so long, and it feels like a kick in the face. And I fail to see where the review was Penguin, because in my opinion, it wasn't a review. Calvin • Watch n' Learn13:39, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
With all respect I have to agree with Calvin here Penguin. I am not mad about it, but I think you should just had to wait for us and give sometime to fix the issues that you have given. And yeah I and probably also Calvin, want to hear further what were the main issues and how can we fix them. — Tomica1111 • Question Existing?13:43, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) I get how both of you are feeling; I've gotten a quick fail before working on an album GA and it pissed me off royally. But just remember: not everyone reviews the same. Penguin is not obliged to give you a big ass review just because you did so for him. If you'd like to renominate it and get a different reviewer, then do so. Just think of the road that's at the end of the tunnel and not the impatience of getting there. Hard work always pays off. :) — Status {talkcontribs22:18, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
I know, it just came as a surprise. I just think reviews like that after the nominators have been waiting so long is a cop out. I've had just a shit few days, especially on here, that this was the cherry on the top that just about did it for me. Now it will be another two/three, maybe four months, until it gets reviewed again. I don't even wanna talk about it anymore, because yes, it has annoyed me, and keeping on talking about it is not making it any better. Calvin • Watch n' Learn22:44, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
Pages that would help me
Hey, tomica. as u know i am fairly new here and soon i want to work on getting my first article to GA. i still don't quite understand the concept, or how to get started. could you please place some pages for me to read to understand? thank you! Ben•TalkThatTalk2me01:21, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
Thank you! I am sure those pages will help me, as i am busy at the moment and will read them later. i think i will nominate around my school's christmas break, in two weeks. until then, i will read the pages and work on the article. I appreciate you help and will ask if i have more questions :) Ben•TalkThatTalk2me23:01, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
Mmmm... I would like to work on it, but I am also busy. I have to study this two weeks and have my exams the third and fourth. So, can that be after New Year? How much will your holiday last? — Tomica1111 • Question Existing?18:33, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
I'll be back on the 8th Jan :). Well, in the time being, we can address the little points left on the GAN and also just work on it if we have some spare time. Calvin • Watch n' Learn18:39, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
Actually, where are you going for the Christmas holidays?:) And yeah, maybe I will have some free time and when that happens I hope you are online so I will write you. It's tough with my exams... I have a lot of pages to study :/ ! — Tomica1111 • Question Existing?18:45, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
Yeah Calvin, you have done a good job there. I don't have a lot of free time for Loud now, because I have a lot for studying and when I am on Wikipedia I only concentrated on "Rehab", cause it's very close to the FA status. But after December 26 I am really stucking on Loud.— Tomica1111 • Question Existing?14:50, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
I just looked through and saw two Supports (one by someone who was hugely involved with improving it), but quite a few people are questioning comprehensiveness. Calvin • Watch n' Learn15:24, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
