User talk:ToastGuard/Archive 1

Archive 1

Adoption?

Hi ToastGuard! I noticed you are listed as someone interested in adopting a Wikipedian. I am a Wikipedian looking for adoption.

  • How did I get here to your talk page? Following another Wikipedian's edit history led me to this Adoption page. I'm not new to Wikipedia or Wikipedia's Policies and Guidelines. I am an inexperienced editor. So I can find my way around but still get surprised at what I find.
  • What are my goals? I wish to contribute to both the Military History WikiProject and to the smaller Textile Arts WikiProject.
    • The former is crowded with a ton of folks with strong opinions haha. Nothing wrong with that, but a recent encounter made me realize that I might be jumping into the deep end. Really admire how this community's cohesion, but I need a hand navigating the social context. My particular interest is in WWI, but I'm sticking to copy-editing there for now.
    • The latter is... practically empty. I don't mind. It's a welcome respite from the madding crowd over in MILHIST. But it's going to take a lot of groundwork to build this up from its current lackluster state. Perfect place to really get into the knitty gritty.
  • So why you? I am contacting you because we happen to both be interested in military history, and we both have programming experience (mine is more experience with Python, but I have used the Wikimedia API via curl and scripts). Not to go into too much detail, but I do natural language processing. I work with regexes frequently, but I could also apply some of the cooler new stuff which might come in handy. But that's probably not necessarily what's needed.

So what say you [Y/n]? Orcanami; or the 🌊⬛🐬⬜🌊(talk) 22:07, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:WikiProject Aircraft

Thanks for signing up for this project. It is a very busy and active project with lots going on and we can always use more help and especially a fresh set of eyes. If you haven't done so already you might want to add Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Aircraft to your watch list as this is where much of the background discussion occurs. You may also want to watch Wikipedia:New articles (Aircraft) as this is where newly created articles get listed for peer review. Having a look over these new articles is a great way to get a feel for how things are done on the project and also most new articles need reviewing anyway. If you have any questions you can leave me a note or post at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Aircraft, either way you will get a quick response. - Ahunt (talk) 15:22, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Welcome

First and foremost I would like to welcome you to the academy program, it is designed to build your knowledge of vandalism and wikipedia, while simultaneously allowing you to practice it at the same time. I will go at the pace you set, as all the activities are self guided, however I will respond to any questions or concerns promptly. I do expect that you respect my time and not leave without warning me first. I will also suggest you put a tag on your page on whether you are on or offline. Before we begin, I would like to ask some questions to get to know you.

* What are some of your favorite hobbies/activities? I enjoy reading and writing, I suppose those would be my main hobbies. Not sure if this counts as a hobby, but I also like staying in touch with world news.

*How will you positively contribute to wikipedia? This is actually the main reason I have sought out this training. I have been around Wikipedia for several years, but haven't really found an avenue to constructive help other than fixing typos here and there when I see them, so having another way to make positive change here (i.e. by fixing vandalism) is something I'm looking forward to.

*How do you see yourself contributing to Wikipedia in 2 years? In two years I would hope that I am doing much the same as I am now, only with a slightly expanded scope. That is to say, being able to use the anti-vandalism experience to better fight against disruptive editing on Wikipedia.

*Is there anything you wish for me to know before we begin? I work evenings, mainly 5pm-12:30pm (my time zone, EDT currently). But I'm often on here before and/or after work.

Welcome

First and foremost I would like to welcome you to the academy program, it is designed to build your knowledge of vandalism and wikipedia, while simultaneously allowing you to practice it at the same time. I will go at the pace you set, as all the activities are self guided, however I will respond to any questions or concerns promptly. I do expect that you respect my time and not leave without warning me first. I will also suggest you put a tag on your page on whether you are on or offline. Before we begin, I would like to ask some questions to get to know you.

* What are some of your favorite hobbies/activities? I enjoy reading and writing, I suppose those would be my main hobbies. Not sure if this counts as a hobby, but I also like staying in touch with world news.

*How will you positively contribute to wikipedia? This is actually the main reason I have sought out this training. I have been around Wikipedia for several years, but haven't really found an avenue to constructive help other than fixing typos here and there when I see them, so having another way to make positive change here (i.e. by fixing vandalism) is something I'm looking forward to.

*How do you see yourself contributing to Wikipedia in 2 years? In two years I would hope that I am doing much the same as I am now, only with a slightly expanded scope. That is to say, being able to use the anti-vandalism experience to better fight against disruptive editing on Wikipedia.

*Is there anything you wish for me to know before we begin? I work evenings, mainly 5pm-12:30pm (my time zone, EDT currently). But I'm often on here before and/or after work.

Welcome

Welcome to the CVUA program, I am here to teach you about vandalism and how to counter it. I will discuss with you as well as give you assignments on different topics designed to introduce you to CV. I will post assignments in this area, you will write your answers underneath and not in the same line. I would suggest also familiarizing yourself with the wikitext editor as well as how wikicode works. I will archive each assignment in different archive pages where you will be able to view them on your own. As this is your area I suggest that you save this link so that you may visit this page at any time. Please ping me by using the @[[User:ToastGuard|ToastGuard]] text.

Dawn Lyn

By what authority did you delete my contribution.

Your claim "Deviating from this style, as you did in Dawn Lyn, disturbs uniformity among articles and may cause readability or accessibility problems" is not only untrue, it's a BRAZEN violation of Wiki's longstanding policy- assume good faith. I'm putting it back in. Please mind your own business or I'll report you!2600:1702:2350:20F0:E959:78EC:68F3:FA06 (talk) 03:43, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

This section is currently being discussed under another users talk page, please do not interrupt.

CVUA Training Request

Hi ToastGuard, I was hoping you would be willing to show me the Counter-Vandalism ropes in the Counter-Vandalism Unit Academy. You're the only trainer listed who is somewhat near my own time zone (I'm in EST/EDT). Patr2016 (talk) 03:22, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

@Patr2016 Hello, thank you for your request, I will gladly accept you as a student. The schedule should not be a problem. I will have more posted on Your talk page in the morning however at this present moment I am retiring for the night. I look forward to working with you. Toast (talk) 03:39, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

Tools

Before we start, I wanted to show you some useful tools for counter-vandalism work which can be used by any editor. You can use all of these, none of these, or some of these. I don't mind, these links are just for your convenience. You may have already installed some of these in the past.

Twinkle

Twinkle is a very popular gadget which is helpful for a variety of tasks. To install it, go here and tick the box that says Twinkle. Then scroll down to the bottom of the page and click "save". When you refresh the page, a "TW" tab will be available on every page, next to the "More" tab. Scrolling over the TW tab will show a list of modules you can use on the particular page. Twinkle has a large number of useful modules, including but not limited to, one which can be used to warn users, one which can be used to request page protection, one which can be used to suggest a page is deleted, and many many more helpful features. It also adds a non-admin "rollback" feature on all diff pages. I highly suggest you enable Twinkle, as it's incredibly useful and poses no risk of harming your account.

Lupin's Anti-vandal tool

Lupin's Anti-vandal tool is extremely helpful for monitoring recent changes in real time. To install it, simply add the following to your common.js.
importScript('User:Lupin/recent2.js');
Refresh the page and you'll find 5 new links on your toolbar (on the left side of the page, underneath "interaction"). These links can be used to better monitor recent changes for possible vandalism.

IRC channels

IRC is an internet chat program. There are several channels on IRC that can be used to monitor vandalism. #cvn-wp-en connect is probably the most useful. Visit Wikipedia:IRC/Tutorial for information on how to connect to channels.

Navigation popups allow you to hover over links and see a brief preview of the page being linked to. One feature of navigation popups is that when you're at recent changes and hover over "diff" links, you'll have the ability to revert the most recent edit, useful for undoing vandalism. To install navigation popups, go here and tick the box that says Navigation popups. Then scroll down to the bottom of the page and click "save". Refresh the page and navigation popups will be enabled.

Now that you've read these, reply below with which scripts you installed/what you signed up for. I don't mind how many you installed, or if you installed none, it's just so I know and can set tasks using those scripts. Also note that there are many more advanced scripts out there, but they'll only be available to you when you have more experience.

@ToastGuard: OK, I have installed Twinkle and the Lupin Anti-vandalism tool.

Welcome to The Wikipedia Adventure!

Hi ToastGuard! We're so happy you wanted to play to learn, as a friendly and fun way to get into our community and mission. I think these links might be helpful to you as you get started.

-- 20:26, Monday, November 7, 2022 (UTC)

Mission 1 Mission 2 Mission 3 Mission 4 Mission 5 Mission 6 Mission 7
Say Hello to the World An Invitation to Earth Small Changes, Big Impact The Neutral Point of View The Veil of Verifiability The Civility Code Looking Good Together

Leaving CVU Training

ToastGuard,

Clearly I am currently unable to meet your standards for Wikipedia usage time due to irl commitments. Therefore, I would like to terminate our Counter Vandalism training.

All the best,

Patr2016 (talk) 05:54, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

@Patr2016 That is unfortunate, however, please ensure in the future that you have the time and ability to participate fully. Toast (talk) 13:57, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Anti-Vandalism

Howdy

Could you teach me about counter-vandalism? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Justyouraveragelechuga (talk • contribs) 03:33, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Made a botscript

Hi ToastGuard,

Just a heads-up. Following the advice of the BotApprovals group you linked to, I wrote a script to update my user status that runs as a 5 minute cronjob. It only affects one of my User pages (e.g., valid under WP:BOTUSERSPACE and WP:BOTSCRIPT of the bot policy), and it only updates the page with my status if certain conditions are met (e.g., my last Wikipedia edit was more than 10 minutes ago and I'm listed as online). My status should be more accurate now. Orcanami; or the 🌊⬛🐬⬜🌊(talk) 16:01, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

Minor Note on Mentoring

Hello, ToastGuard. I believe I encountered you in a previous AfD and passingly looked at your WP:PERM NPP request (which is still on my watchlist...). I've seen your comments at User talk:ToastGuard/Orcanami/Archive 4, but IMO not sure if you misunderstood, but some can be confusing, or at least worded confusingly. For example, per WP:UNREGISTERED, they cannot upload files or images, which is a bit different to what you wrote. Besides, you might be confusing WP:NPP with Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Participants. NPP only lets the user to patrol a page, which means that they state that they have checked the page and it has no obvious problems that could result in deletion. However, only being a Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Participants gives an editor ability to review (approve/decline/reject/comment) drafts. Besides, WP:AUTOPATROLLED is not used to bypass AfC, which could be done for any autoconfirmed account. It only lets the user's pages to be marked as automatically patrolled on the new pages list and hence indexable to search engines. Moreover, the pending changes reviwer is for pages placed in WP:PENDING protection, not semi-protection (WP:SEMIPROTECTION. Just want to let you know this minor comment, many thanks! VickKiang (talk) 02:58, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

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Adoptees

Hi. I have an interest in maintaining, protecting and hopefully improving.... but not the skills to be sure I'll achieve those goals. I'd like to be 'bold' but with a safety net. Can you take me on board and get me started on the right track? Lukewarmbeer (talk) 09:33, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

sup, you got discord or somewhere to exchange messages? WaIterFord (talk) 06:35, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

@WaIterFord I have a discord, however i would prefer to just keep messages on my talk page. Toast (talk) 14:38, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
discord now yes WaIterFord (talk) 16:52, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
Well im currently not using my home PC, and i will not be able to access discord until tomorrow, but it is Phencer, don't ask for the numbers cause I don't know as of right now. Toast (talk) 17:27, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
Ok when u have numbers pls lmk WaIterFord (talk) 18:05, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
@WaIterFord Please tell me what you would like to discuss. Toast (talk) 18:24, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
looking for help with the edmund burke article. afraid it will take quite a lot of words to describe the state it's in, best you look for yourself (talk page especially) WaIterFord (talk) 23:47, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

Student

Can i be a counter vandalism student?

-Justyouraveragelechuga

Welcome!

Welcome to the Adopt-A-User program, on this page I will explain concepts to you as well as give you assignments to make sure you understand them. The program is at your own pace and I will update the page when I feel you understand the information. I would suggest bookmarking this page so you may come to it at any time, If you happen to need me then please ping me on My talk page. I request that you do not waste my time and yours and that you let me know if something comes up where you will be away for an extended period. To get you started please answer the questions below, if you have any questions then leave them underneath.

  • What do you want to accomplish on WP?
  • What do you do for fun or as a hobby?
  • What are your active hours, and do you have anything preventing you from being online regularly?
  • What do you feel is your biggest strength, on WP and IRL?
  • Do you have any questions for me?

-Just like helping out n sh/t -i dont have tons of free time but i f/ck around with the fellas and play like cod -like any time is good except for when i sleep at like 3 -my hs is known for offering some of the hardest english courses in the state so i think after taking the APs and sh/t when i want to write effectively, i can do so -no — Preceding unsigned comment added by WaIterFord (talk • contribs) 03:04, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

aau yes

yes? WaIterFord (talk) 02:48, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

wd

hi btw whats the wiki deletion thing WaIterFord (talk) 05:54, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

The deletion policy? Toast (talk) 14:04, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

no the thing on ur page lol WaIterFord (talk) 01:48, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

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Help

Hello, please teach me how to prevent vandalism, there are many people who manipulate articles for no reason, this user "NoToFakeEdit" has vandalized several times, please stop him from vandalizing more. ThanksMedellin fa (talk) 22:50, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

this user Medellin fa make wiki for himself on anothers person name! (with photoshop photos + please chek the photos), Jawid Safi And Javad Safaee Is 2 Person! The Fake Person Javad Safaee Try To Make A Wikipedia For Himself With Another Name, The Photo Of Article Is Photoshop And Fake >> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jawid_Safi AND https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mehrab_Hossain_(Mehrab_Naabi) NoToFakeEdit (talk) 23:28, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

Welcome

Before we begin the learning portion of the CVUA program I would like you to complete a get-to-know-you form. This is just so I can better understand you and help you learn.

1.) What is your end-goal on Wikipedia (what do you wish to accomplish)?

-Just to make Wikipedia a better place, Maybe to become an Admin, But that takes a while.

2.) What are some of your hobbies(fishing, reading, etc.)?

-I like to read, I am currently reading War and Peace, My version is (Not Including The translator's note and epilogue) is 1,256 pages long, and I like to play the video game, The Sims 2 & 3, Also I am trying to improve in chess.

3.) What are some of your biggest brags (Don't be shy, what in your perspective is the coolest thing you've done)?

-When I first started, I updated the entire List of cities in Pennsylvania (Which is my home state) list.

4.) What is your overall attitude towards wikipedia and editing on it?

-Wikipedia is *mostly true, Some people still are hellbent that Wikipedia is almost completely false, Maybe it was in the 2000s, but things change, and I feel like even the small things I do slightly contribute to that, And it makes me happy to volunteer on an Educational non-profit, since I believe everyone should access education.

5.) How would you improve Wikipedia?

-Start off small, then make big ones, like making or completely changing Wikipedia articles, But I feel I could improve on doing that

6.) When are you the most active on Wikipedia, and do you have anything that restricts the time you might have on it?

-No, I have plenty of time.

CVU Student

Hi, I am a user wondering if you could train me to join the CVU. If you can, please send me a message in my talk page. Thanks. DJskywrd (talk) 14:16, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

Mentoring

Hi

We touched base a while ago and Zippybonzo took me on. While they have done their best It seems they haven't had the time they expected to assist. As a result I'm having a look around for either an alternative or additional mentor.

You can, of course, see how things have developed since we last spoke on his (some archived) and my pages.

Let me know if you are interested. Lukewarmbeer (talk) 12:14, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

@Lukewarmbeer At this point in time, I cannot take you on as an adoptee, however, If one of my current adoptees does not complete their assignment within the next 4 days, then I will have a slot open. Until then I cannot guarantee that taking you in as an adoptee would be benficial to you. Regards - Toast (talk) 13:19, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
Thanks. I'll wait until the 31st and see how things are progressing. Lukewarmbeer (talk) 15:38, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
How did it go? Lukewarmbeer (talk) 07:20, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
I'm thinking you have a full house then so will cast my net wider.
Regards LWB Lukewarmbeer (talk) 22:18, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
@Lukewarmbeer I apologize for not being able to reply sooner. I was engaged for the past two weeks with some personal medical problems, however I am back now. I had 1 student drop out and thus a spot has opened if you would like to participate. Regards Toast (talk) 03:57, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
I'm sorry to hear you haven't been well. Hope everything is on the up.
I have looked around and have 'recruited' someone to provide some support, but not on an 'adoption' basis. The conversation is below if you are interested.
If you are happy to provide a more structured course(s)' I'd be delighted.
Regards
LWB
Hi
I found you on the adoption page and thought I'd ask if you would take me on.
I have tried with two other mentors initially.
Zippybonzo took me on but got busy and ToastGuard didn't have an opening when I went back.
I have also asked SoWhy but they didn't realise they were on the currently adopting list.
So here I am :)
If your interested you might have a look at the little I have contributed (and possibly the questions I have asked Zippybonzo on his Talk- some archived) and get an idea of where I am coming from and if I'd be of any interest. Lukewarmbeer (talk) 09:44, 3 February 2023 (UTC)Reply
Lukewarmbeer, what kind of editing work were you interested in getting help with? signed, Rosguill talk 15:44, 3 February 2023 (UTC)Reply
I'd like a go to person to help me:
Navigate the site generally
Understand what is a reasonable position to take in certain circumstances, particularly in potentially controversial areas (see for example Beira's Place Talk). It's easy to get sucked into these things and I have found that there are sometime vested interests in places I wouldn't have even expected. I want to keep the encyclopedia perspective to the fore in talk and articles. I need more knowledge and 'professionalism' to achieve that.
Ditto with RfCs
I'd also like to improve articles. See for example my talk page on  Enclosure and Inclosure I was also going to do some work on possibly something innocuous like the Algerian Green Dam to get some more structured editing experience. I started but found it more complex than I expected. I'm no IT wiz.
Citations are something I have been doing. I'm not sure why we let so much stuff be posted that people can't be bothered to support with appropriate sources. I have added quite a few but sometimes when I am researching I find that the information I find actually contradicts the existing text. I leave it now when that happens as I'm not sufficiently confident to interfere. If I start rewriting I'd like, in the early days, someone to run that sort of thing by - so I don't do more harm than good. Vandalism and recent changes patrolling also interest me. I have done a tiny bit of that but also need guidance both practical and editorial.
Lukewarmbeer (talk) 12:39, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

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Counter-Vandalism-Unit

Hello ToastGuard, The Counter Vandalism Unit Seems Interesting, I have some experience in RC Patrol, Also you're the closest one in terms of time zone (I am EST) If you're willing to accept me I will be delighted, To Check as of current I have 198 edits (But some are reverts of my mistakes). Happy Editing! -I Followed The Username Policy (talk) 00:48, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

CVUA

Hi ToastGuard I just wanted to say that after nearly a month of Inactivity on your account I decided to switch trainers, I just wanted to say goodbye, And thanks for taking me on, hope you return someday. And I hope you didn't give up Wikipedia though Happy Editing! -I Followed The Username Policy (talk) 17:32, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

Hey, I was going to come on today and recommend that, I unfortunately must go deal with several issues in both my personal and professional life, therefore I am ceasing all of my training on wikipedia. I deeply apologize for wasting your time. Toast (talk) 13:20, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Article rewrite

Hi.

I selected an article to improve to help develop my editing abilities. I chose one that couldn't really be made worse and this isUser:Lukewarmbeer/sandboxs what I have come up with. If you can cast an eye over it and see :

If I have made any drastic errors?

What I should do about the copyright on the images - particularly this one https://pin.it/7tJ8teY which I would like to use. The others I think are in Commons so I can use?

What more should I include in the Bibliography or is that enough for now?

Thanks for your time (if you have any :) ).

Regards

LWB Lukewarmbeer (talk) 17:19, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

@Lukewarmbeer, I have not noticed anything immediately wrong with your rewrite. You can use any photo in the commons if you need to unless the picture you want to use has a license for being used elsewhere. I would take a look at any GA+ rated article and use it as an example. Regards Toast (talk) 13:29, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
Many thanks for the feedback. Lukewarmbeer (talk) 16:56, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

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Wordpress

Hi. I'm hoping you can help broaden my knowledge here.

If you have a look at my talk page you will see a message from a user re their edits to Wordpress.

Can you give me and them some guidance as to the 'Tweet' citations used and also the functionality of how he has added them.

Many thanks Lukewarmbeer (talk) 11:43, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

@Lukewarmbeer, I have looked at the edit in question and have found that it works for me, so any issue accessing it is likely client-side for you. Furthermore, the information in the tweet meets the criteria of WP:TWEET. I recommend allowing the IP user to redo that edit, or to simply revert it yourself. Regards, Toast (talk) 13:10, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
Have reverted. Many thanks. I'll read Wikipedia:TWEET in more detail. Lukewarmbeer (talk) 16:33, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
@Lukewarmbeer Everything is subjective, just remember to read carefully and ere on the side of compassion. Remember though compassion comes after correctness. Toast (talk) 20:46, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
👍 will do and thanks for your support. Lukewarmbeer (talk) 21:48, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

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