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A barnstar for you!

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Great job learning so quickly and making a real different to the Oceana page VVikingTalkEdits 13:32, 28 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

National Geographic Society page edits

Hello! I noted that you have been active recently to the NGS Wikipedia page, making edits and engaging with other users to render editorial judgments about how to label and note the page's status. I work with The Society, and was part of our attempts to clean up some of the incorrect details on the page. Though we naively did not realize this would be a problem, it apparently triggered flags based on IP address, revealing a conflict of interest. Our attempts to work on that page were sincere then, and we would still like to go through the proper channels and procedures to work on the page. Would you be interested in assisting with this? Based on your existing interest in the NGS wiki-entry, we're hoping you could apply your editorial judgments to help filter our edits. For example, on simple correction is the line "has awarded more than 11,000 grants for scientific research and exploration." This number is now over 14,000. Source: https://www.nationalgeographic.org/funding-opportunities/

A few other corrections like that could be made. Would you be interested in working with us so these edits could be properly Wiki-approved? Thank you for your time.

Best, Harpo1933 Harpo1933 (talk) 22:36, 5 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'd love to help improve the page. If you send me any information that meets Wikipedia's standards, I'll add it to the best of my ability. That being said, Wikipedia should be relying on third party sources as per WP:INDEPENDENT, so it wouldn't be proper to make the correct you're suggestion with the source you're providing. If you can find any reliable third party source saying the same thing, I'll make sure to add it. This also is considered to include legal documents, so if this appears in a tax form (available online), a court case, or something of that variety I could include it. Toad02 (talk) 23:03, 5 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I realize I should probably ping you in case you don't follow my page. Sorry. ping. Toad02 (talk) 18:09, 7 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Toad02: After a long delay, I'm circling back to provide some other sources on the issues I'm seeing on the NGS Wikipedia page. Here is what I have, attempting to avoid links from the Society's website:

CEO/President Tracy Wolstencroft - He ceased in this function earlier this year: https://www.bizjournals.com/washington/news/2019/09/17/national-geographic-society-ceo-steps-down-after.html https://blog.nationalgeographic.org/2019/09/17/national-geographic-society-commences-global-search-for-ceo/ A search for a new CEO is ongoing. Mike Ulica is now President and COO of the Society: https://www.nationalgeographic.org/about-us/leadership/ https://www.nationalgeographic.org/about-us/leadership/michael-ulica/ https://sps.columbia.edu/advisory-board-member/michael-ulica

National Geographic "helped to sponsor popular traveling exhibits, such as the early 2010s King Tut exhibit featuring artifacts from the tomb of the young Egyptian Pharaoh." -- The exhibit was at the NG Museum in DC in 2005 before going on tour thereafter: https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2005-jun-16-wk-tutstuff16-story.html https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2005/jul/20/20050720-104846-8429r/

Its Committee for Research and Exploration has awarded more than 11,000 grants for scientific research and exploration. -- Sites outside of National Geographic have identified that the Society has given out over 14,000 grants: https://www.lenfestinstitute.org/local-journalism/lenfest-institute-national-geographic-society-announce-collaborative-reporting-networks-in-delaware-and-ohio-river-watersheds/ https://www.bloomberg.com/press-releases/2019-11-13/morgan-stanley-announces-partnership-with-national-geographic-society-university-of-georgia-to-advance-citizen-science-to-help

The Society's media arm is National Geographic Partners, a joint venture... -- Society and Partners exist in a partnership agreement, and NGP is not an "arm" of the Society. This properly describes it as a "joint venture": https://variety.com/2019/biz/news/national-geographic-gary-knell-disney-fox-1203166778/ The end of this piece in Britannica summarizes the joint venture: https://www.britannica.com/topic/National-Geographic-Society

The National Geographic Society began as a club for an elite group of academics and wealthy patrons interested in travel and exploration. -- This was not the original intention. It was a scientific organization. This online transcription of the first issue of the National Geographic Magazine -- https://archive.org/stream/nationalgeograph11889nati/nationalgeograph11889nati_djvu.txt -- includes a transcript of the founding resolution, about two-thirds of the way down the page, that says: "This society should be organized on as broad and liberal a basis in regard to qualifications for membership as is consistent with its own well being and the dignity of the science it represents." The first issue also listed the specific functions of the Society, none of which involved appealing to a wealthy or travel-minded audience: "The particular objects and business of this Society are: to increase and diffuse geographic knowledge; to publish the transactions of the Society; to publish a periodical magazine, and other works relating to the science of geography; to dispose of such publications by sale or otherwise and to acquire a library, under the restrictions and regulations to be established in its By-Laws."

...his son-in-law, Alexander Graham Bell, succeeded him in 1897. -- The Wired article cited in the annotations has been mistinterpreted--it only says that Hubbard died in December 1897, and then Bell succeed him afterward (without specifying a year). Bell did not succeed him until January 1898: https://www.pbs.org/transistor/album1/addlbios/bellag.html https://www.britannica.com/biography/Alexander-Graham-Bell https://blog.lib.uiowa.edu/eng/alexander-graham-bell-the-man-behind-the-telephone/

Courtyard entrance to the National Geographic Museum -- No, this is the entrance to the M Street Building; the Museum is contained in the 17th Street building across the courtyard. See photograph here: https://www.nationalgeographic.org/events/visit/ https://onthegrid.city/washington-d-c/dupont-circle-downtown/national-geographic-museum The same view is already on Wikimedia Commons: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:National_Geographic_Museum.jpg

Citation needed for Peter Raven receiving Hubbard medal -- https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/columns/joe-holleman/peter-raven-tabbed-for-national-geographic-s-top-honor/article_e84bcdc1-f612-5498-906e-64366340a632.html https://books.google.com/books?id=_aCeDwAAQBAJ&pg=PR1&lpg=PR1&dq=%22Hubbard+Medal%22+peter+raven&source=bl&ots=q3ZRyuODdb&sig=ACfU3U3d87UipQm5QWG3hjuXzZwmcgm3mw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjstarnrZ_mAhWi1VkKHQu5CLU4ChDoATADegQICRAB#v=onepage&q=%22Hubbard%20Medal%22%20peter%20raven&f=false

Alexander Graham Bell Medal - "Up to mid-2011, the medal has been twice presented" -- This can be updated to include recipient Alex Trebek in 2013: https://www.washingtonian.com/2013/06/14/national-geographics-125th-anniversary-party/ https://www.carnegie.org/awards/honoree/alex-trebek/ https://www.britannica.com/biography/Alex-Trebek https://www.nationalgeographic.com/adventure/adventure-blog/2013/06/14/adventurer-of-the-year-felix-baumgartner-honored-at-national-geographics-125th-anniversary-gala/

Much of the media section of the NGS Wikipedia page, including Magazines, Television programs and channels should more properly be listed under the National Geographic Partners wiki page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Geographic_Partners This is because all of those media assets were transferred over in the 2015 sale to 21st Century Fox: https://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/nov/14/how-fox-ate-national-geographic Further, all of those assets were included in the Disney sale: https://www.ft.com/content/bbf5bcce-579e-11e9-8b71-f5b0066105fe

"The Society provides programming to the National Geographic-branded channels worldwide...In addition to its flagship magazine, the Society publishes several other periodicals -- The Society does not publish any magazines; National Geographic Partners does this." -- All of this content would be more appropriately represented on the NG Partners wiki page

"National Geographic Films is a wholly owned taxable subsidiary of the National Geographic Society." -- NG Films not longer exists. The NG library of Films are now distributed by Cosmic Picture: https://www.cosmicpicture.com/about-us/#our-history https://www.giantscreencinema.com/Newsroom/cosmic-picture-launches-distribution-arm-secures-rights-to-nat-geo-gs-film-library https://www.thewrap.com/national-geographic-films-shutting-down-say-insiders-exclusive-33865/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.192.166.225 (talk) 21:50, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

August 2019

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I should have clarified. That was a test to determine the size of a section. Toad02 (talk) 14:29, 8 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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